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Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: battel gnome94 on July 21, 2007, 10:02:22 PM
i was looking around for some good planes for AH and then i saw the Ju87G-2 its would manly straff air fields and trians and just evering thing on the ground.

so i said why dont we get it but some one said we allready do have it.

so do we?

thanks:)
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: tedrbr on July 21, 2007, 10:07:44 PM
No we don't.  Been asked for.  Try the Hurri D sometime.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: battel gnome94 on July 21, 2007, 10:13:24 PM
its a german stuka and it was one of the most famuse planes in the war because the sound it made when it dived.

it would be a great plane for AH.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Lusche on July 21, 2007, 10:21:33 PM
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Originally posted by battel gnome94
its a german stuka and it was one of the most famuse planes in the war because the sound it made when it dived.

it would be a great plane for AH.


Actuall the 87 G made no "sound" when it dived (neither does our 87 in game)

And strictly speaking it wasn't even a Stuka - "Stuka" is just the abbreviation for "Sturzkampfflugzeug" -"divebomber", and was actually used for several planes. The 87G was no divebomber ;)
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: mipoikel on July 22, 2007, 04:41:16 AM
Ju88 is also stuka.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Blooz on July 22, 2007, 06:16:35 AM
FW190F8

The JU87's replacement.

The default skin is too cool.
Title: Re: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 22, 2007, 07:45:31 AM
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Originally posted by battel gnome94
i was looking around for some good planes for AH and then i saw the Ju87G-2 its would manly straff air fields and trians and just evering thing on the ground.

so i said why dont we get it but some one said we allready do have it.

so do we?

thanks:)



We have the D-3 model.  The sirens were removed on the D-3 and all models afterwards since the psychological impact was deemed to little effect as the war years dragged on.



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Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: redman555 on July 22, 2007, 01:28:40 PM
yea i posted awhile about this, there wasa stuka wit like 45mm cannons in each wing
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Grits on July 22, 2007, 01:55:47 PM
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Originally posted by redman555
yea i posted awhile about this, there wasa stuka wit like 45mm cannons in each wing


37mm
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Kermit de frog on July 22, 2007, 01:57:15 PM
Wasn't the Ju87G-1 the modified JU87D-3?
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 22, 2007, 05:17:49 PM
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Originally posted by redman555
yea i posted awhile about this, there wasa stuka wit like 45mm cannons in each wing



The D-5 had wing mounted 20mm cannons and the G-1 had 37mm cannons in gun pods.  Though the G-1 only carried 6 to 12 rounds for each gun, not much ammo to play with.


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Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 22, 2007, 05:26:31 PM
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Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Wasn't the Ju87G-1 the modified JU87D-3?



Yes, the G-1 was based off the D-3 and the G-2 was based off the D-5.



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Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Kermit de frog on July 22, 2007, 06:04:11 PM
so let's get HTC to field mod the current Ju87d-3 to Ju87G-1 Standards...:noid
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: 68ROX on July 22, 2007, 07:08:47 PM
The JU-87 with the gondolla "tank buster" cannons would be nice.

It would be a little added help when those gv's are massing and the field ord is down.

68ROX
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Spikes on July 22, 2007, 08:40:52 PM
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Originally posted by battel gnome94
its a german stuka and it was one of the most famuse planes in the war because the sound it made when it dived.

it would be a great plane for AH.


Search please.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: 68ROX on July 23, 2007, 08:09:33 AM
Wikpedia Search:

"The Stuka's design featured some innovative features, including automatic pull-up dive brakes under both wings to ensure that the plane recovered from its attack dive even if the pilot blacked out from the high acceleration, and a wind-powered siren under its nose that wailed during dives to frighten its victims. These were named "Trumpets of Jericho" by Junkers and were a form of psychological warfare. "


Air siren used to be here in the game , but removed from the modeling a couple of years ago.


No reason given.

68ROX
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Stampf on July 23, 2007, 08:19:35 AM
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Originally posted by 68ROX
The JU-87 with the gondolla "tank buster" cannons would be nice.

It would be a little added help when those gv's are massing and the field ord is down.

68ROX


Agreed, and there should be one available at each VB and port too.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Lusche on July 23, 2007, 08:28:23 AM
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Originally posted by Stampf
Agreed, and there should be one available at each VB and port too.


Once I thought this too, but now my opinion is that there should be a place where you can roll into without being instantly blasted by the sky.
Also the defender has already some advantages (Tower view, sitting still and listening for ib vehicles engine sounds, easy landing & fast respawn). Now adding a plane which can be used to spot/kill flanking tanks a few seconds after takeoff will greatly change the balance to the defender's favour.

(And btw, while I sure would like to see the 87G, there are already planes that can easily stop GV's attacking airfields when VH and ords are down ;))
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: hubsonfire on July 23, 2007, 10:43:43 AM
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Air siren used to be here in the game , but removed from the modeling a couple of years ago.


No reason given.

68ROX


Are you sure about that? I know there was a siren sound as part of a soundpack/custom sound, which, IIRC, replaced the wind sound, but I don't recall there ever being a siren for the 87.

When was the 87 added? Anyone recall? I was under the impression it's only been added in the last few years.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Krusty on July 23, 2007, 11:15:56 AM
Erm.. no.

The Ju87 is one of the earliest planes in the game. If it wasn't in the initial release, it was very shortly afterwards.

It has a "generation 1" skin format, and is low res and hard to skin.

Also, I recall it being in the game as far back in AH1 times as I can remember. It never had a siren.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 23, 2007, 12:13:47 PM
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Originally posted by 68ROX


Air siren used to be here in the game , but removed from the modeling a couple of years ago.


No reason given.

68ROX



We have the D-3 model, it never had a siren in real life nor in the game.  Waffle had made a siren for the wind noise to simulate the siren but that's the closest our Ju87 got to having a siren.


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Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Grits on July 23, 2007, 12:25:32 PM
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Originally posted by Stampf
Agreed, and there should be one available at each VB and port too.


For one rotation of FesterMA I think (or was it Trinity?), the map that has the strings of V bases in the canyons, HTC enabled Hurri IIDs at those canyon V bases. I seem to be the only one who noticed. The next time the map came around they were disabled again. It was nice if for no other reason than you could spot with it. I can kill GVs with it, but most cant so I think it could be available at all V bases and ports without killing the GV game.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: PanzerIV on July 23, 2007, 12:31:49 PM
The Ju87 G-1 could  twin 37mm gondolas, along with the 7.7mm guns.
It had a lower ceiling than the D3.
It would probably do good in an anti tank role-anti-ship role but not much else, it only had 6 rounds to each gun.
It was slow and had a low service ceiling so it wouldn't be valid to intercept bombers.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: hubsonfire on July 23, 2007, 02:26:46 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
Erm.. no.

The Ju87 is one of the earliest planes in the game. If it wasn't in the initial release, it was very shortly afterwards.

It has a "generation 1" skin format, and is low res and hard to skin.

Also, I recall it being in the game as far back in AH1 times as I can remember. It never had a siren.


It doesn't appear in stats until tour 35.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Krusty on July 23, 2007, 02:33:21 PM
Well, I've been playing AH on and off since it came out of beta. I don't recall any point at which the Ju87 was added, hence why I believe it was always there.

And the stats going back that far aren't foolproof. It was there for years in AH1 (that I know for a fact), but I don't know when it was introduced for sure. Just waaaaay back, is all.
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Lusche on July 23, 2007, 02:47:53 PM
Ju 87D-3 "Stuka" was added in patch 1.11, in December 2002 (tour 35)
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: APDrone on July 23, 2007, 02:55:41 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
Well, I've been playing AH on and off since it came out of beta. I don't recall any point at which the Ju87 was added, hence why I believe it was always there.

And the stats going back that far aren't foolproof. It was there for years in AH1 (that I know for a fact), but I don't know when it was introduced for sure. Just waaaaay back, is all.


Linky:

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72895
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: Krusty on July 23, 2007, 03:32:09 PM
Holy Blast From The Past, Batman!!!

Wow, I thought they purged old threads every once in a while!
Title: do we have a Ju87G-2
Post by: SlapShot on July 24, 2007, 08:43:47 AM
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Originally posted by Grits
For one rotation of FesterMA I think (or was it Trinity?), the map that has the strings of V bases in the canyons, HTC enabled Hurri IIDs at those canyon V bases. I seem to be the only one who noticed. The next time the map came around they were disabled again. It was nice if for no other reason than you could spot with it. I can kill GVs with it, but most cant so I think it could be available at all V bases and ports without killing the GV game.


OZKansas had certain planes enabled at the ports and V bases ... but that didn't last long ...  :(