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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Nimrod45 on July 22, 2007, 10:26:11 PM
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I know the LA irritates some folks but please humor me. Just looking for opinions.
All things being equal who wins the Yak or the LA.
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La-7 because of the slots
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La 7 is faster (up to 10K) at WEP, has better climb rate, much better acceleration, a huge advantage in guns lethality and actually even turns better than the yak-9u (Some people may not believe this, but most LA-7 pilots you encounter seem to fly with a constant firewalled throttle ;) ).
So all thing being equal, the La wins. But things are almost never being equal though...
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Are you saying it will turn better if you cut back on the throttle.
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Originally posted by Nimrod45
Are you saying it will turn better if you cut back on the throttle.
Is this is serious question? :confused:
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http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=yak9u&p2=yak9t&p3=la7
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Yak 9u can only win between 13k and 16k where the La7 has a serious dip in power causing its acceleration and sustained turning to dip somewhat.
So if you are in a Yak9U stay just above or just below the cloud line.
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I like the Yak9U and La7, although i usually fly the Yak since the inline engine makes it look nice.
Uh..La5FN can out-turn a La7 right?
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That is the claim..........though it makes no sense, the LA-7 is the lighter of the two, I think it is because the LA-7 is faster and people don't use the throttle right, at equal speeds the LA-7 should turn the same as the 5 at the very least.
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okay, thanks, do you have any advice on throttle management though?
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Sorry, no I don't, but I am going to find out through trial and error, Lusche probably knows I think he is a fan of the LA-7.
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okay, cool, maybe if the La7 engine RPM and Manifold pressure was put at the RPM and MP the La5s engine works.
Wonder if Sodas says anything about this.
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usually the La7 turns good enough for me, i just wasn't sure if La5 or La7 could turn better, i guess since La7 has more power and has been lightened its turn radius should be better.
La7 is slightly lighter than the La5 and has 220 more Horsepower provided by its engine, its got more guns but the B20 cannons are lighter than the ShVAK cannons.
The LA7 seems to have a slightly shorter fuselage than the La5, only about 3 inches.
Oh yeah, i was on the internet once and found a La7 manual, Ill send the link to anybody who can read in Russian! lol
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Third thread dealing with the Yak-9U. :aok
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we have the La5FN and its engine is identical to the La7's.
Other than a slightly different prop the net thrust at the prop is the same for both.
La7 gains on weight and drag (and cooling)
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whoops, didn't notice that the La7 and La5 use the same engine, howd they get the extra horsepower, fuel? The cowling was completely new over the La5
did it have superchargers or something to add horsepower.
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who cares, if you get 1v1 yak vs la the LA's going to run,the fight would not even be 3sec.
my 2cents la's suck,they are like spit16's and n1k's they fly themselfes.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
my 2cents la's suck,they are like spit16's and n1k's they fly themselfes.
We have them in AvA this week. Heck of an airplane, although I haven't yet flown it. Frank is more than its match in a dogfight, but you're right, the La7 has the ability to disengage at will.
- oldman
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
who cares, if you get 1v1 yak vs la the LA's going to run,the fight would not even be 3sec.
my 2cents la's suck,they are like spit16's and n1k's they fly themselfes.
not so much
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
who cares, if you get 1v1 yak vs la the LA's going to run,the fight would not even be 3sec.
my 2cents la's suck,they are like spit16's and n1k's they fly themselfes.
Ha Ha Ha, I'm sorry Vanscrew, it's not really that funny, but I have seen you fly them a fair bit, in fact I am not afraid to admit you have used them to shoot me down a few times, diving in and climbing out of the fight to pick off low and slow turners. Must of just wanted to be in something that would fly it's self that night.
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anyone notice the bottle of wine beside the right side of the seat in a La7?
just wondering, why did Russians need wine while in flight?
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*cough*VODKA*cough*
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
whoops, didn't notice that the La7 and La5 use the same engine, howd they get the extra horsepower, fuel? The cowling was completely new over the La5
did it have superchargers or something to add horsepower.
The La7 has no extra HP over the La5FN............the engines were identical. Later La7's had "coupled control" of throttle and mixture.............
The La7 had a new anti flap prop but this was also added to some late La5FN's.
The La7 had lighter wings due to a final design on a metal spar over the earlier wooden ones but infact the bulk of the La5FN's also had metal sparred wings based on a design developed for the La5F (and used on some L5F's)
The only reason that La5FN's continued in production between May and October 44 was the massive number of La5FN wings in stock during May 1944.
Relocation of the oil cooler and redesign of the engine cowling (and wheel well cowling)brought the bulk of the savings in drag enjoyed by the La7 over the La5FN. This also cured some poor engine cooling "effects" that dogged the La5FN limiting its performance in key areas. It's highly probable that the La5FN could not maintain WEP for periods as long as the La7 and particularly not at low airspeeds eg under sustained climb.......... due to the requirements of engine temperature management.
Some drag was reduced on the La7 by more efficient wing roots although this does not seem to have added to lift or turn.............. infact the reverse if the oft purported (but not evidenced) better turn capability of the La5FN is true then the wing root change seems the only area where it may stem from due to some change in lift from this usually turbulent area.
WEP on the ASH 82FN was simply increasing the rpm from 2400 to 2500 however top line performance under WEP for both the La7 and the La5FN was achieved by also trimming the engine cowling and exhaust cowling air control vanes for minimum drag this trimming alone made a differenceof some km/hr (cant rem the exact figure but think it was 15km/hr).
Such trimming was at the sacrifice to less efficient engine cooling. Lavochkins were faster for longer in winter!
Having said all that re the engine cowling it is now clear that the so called onion cowling of the La5F was dropped quite quickly on the La5FN indeed probably from mid 43 onwards (if it was ever properly used). The La5FN has shorter cowling covers than the La7 but they were (like the La7)cylindrical and not bulged as often depicted.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
who cares, if you get 1v1 yak vs la the LA's going to run,the fight would not even be 3sec.
my 2cents la's suck,they are like spit16's and n1k's they fly themselfes.
This is perhaps the most inept post I have ever read on this forum.
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I've been out of it for a while but I always flew the Yak.
in a 1 v 1 duel, the La-7 can disengage, but unless it was Shane, I didn't have too much problem turning them if they slowed down long enough to engage. I think that this has more to do with the "quality" of pilots who chose that particular plane in 2001-2005 than it did with the abilities of the plane. I suppose that the new planes have probably bled some of the gun-n-run folks off from the LaLa, but I don't know that for a fact.
It was my experience that the acceleration of the La was the biggest advantage it had over the Yak. But I could usually get them to fight for a few seconds before the bug-out.
At the very least the Yak used to be invisible. You could fly into the furball at 400 mph, and nobody would look at you twice. The T&B guys were on each other, or looking out for FWs and LA, while the FWs and LAs were looking timing their passes. This is actually how I would usually end up with a 1v1 against FWs or Lalas: They could try to bounce me in the furball, not realizing how fast i was, and by the time they got close we were miles from the bigger fight.
-Sik