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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: megadud on July 25, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
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what is his best movie?
my top 3 are the hurricane, training day, and man on fire
i would put man on fire at his best with training day second and then the hurricane.
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Training Day, Crimson Tide, and Ricochet
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Man on Fire, Malcolm X, Glory
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Coriolanus,The Mighty Quinn, and Mother Goose: A Rappin' and Rhymin' Special.
classics:aok
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I'm still waiting...
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Just saw Deja Vu other day..AWEsome movie
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only 1 comes to mind.
Glory
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I like all of his movies...Bone Collector was good. But he's the same guy in every movie! Can't wait for American Gangster.
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I think I'd go with Man On Fire, Remember the Titans, Glory. Havent seen Deja Vu yet...
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I liked Man on Fire. - He finally refined the drunkard character from Courage Under Fire. Again you don't see Denzel Washington the actor...you see his character. He's a professional. I wasn't thrilled with Scott Glenn's version and was very happy to see Denzel knock it out of the park.
Glory - Outstanding character. One of the times you don't see the actor but you see only the character. What do you think, Snowflake?
Remember the Titans - Can't say it enough. Watching the movie I don't see the actor...you see Herman Boone. He's the dictator and the law.
I can say the same for Tom Hanks. Despite him being one of my favorite actors he totally removes "himself" from the character and lets the character totally consume him. Forrest Gump, Cast Away, Private Ryan, Green Mile, Catch Me if You Can and probably my favorite performance of his...The Terminal.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I think I'd go with Man On Fire, Remember the Titans, Glory. Havent seen Deja Vu yet...
I would agree with those 3.
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I don't like movies with black actors as a lead. I pretty much avoid them if I can but...
denzel is the exception... he is a very good actor. Eddie murphy is not really good but I can stand his movies. cuba gooding is fine so long as he is not a lead actor.. not good enough to carry a film.
lazs
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Originally posted by Golfer
I liked Man on Fire. - He finally refined the drunkard character from Courage Under Fire. Again you don't see Denzel Washington the actor...you see his character. He's a professional. I wasn't thrilled with Scott Glenn's version and was very happy to see Denzel knock it out of the park.
Glory - Outstanding character. One of the times you don't see the actor but you see only the character. What do you think, Snowflake?
Remember the Titans - Can't say it enough. Watching the movie I don't see the actor...you see Herman Boone. He's the dictator and the law.
ditto
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Training Day, Man on Fire, Fallen
Training Day spawned more King Kong references than the actual King Kong movies. :aok
and once you watch Fallen once... that song is stuck in your head forever.
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Carbon Copy :rofl
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't like movies with black actors as a lead. I pretty much avoid them if I can but...
lazs
So you want them in the background, like in Gone with the Wind?
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It would seem that if you have a movie like gone with the wind it would have to have the black actors in the background.. that has nothing to do with it.
I said that I don't like most black actors.. they can't really carry the lead. denzel can... he seems plausable when interacting with white people.
For the most part.. the black actors are more interested in being black than in being the part they play. They seem to feel obligated to be superior to the whites in the movie... Denzel fits in. He seems like someone you actually would want to be around.
The ones who talk ghetto and act superior or whiney... well... I don't want to watch em any more than I want to be around em.
lazs
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Lazs why the hell do you always bring race into everything?
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Fallen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119099/)
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Originally posted by RightF00T
Lazs why the hell do you always bring race into everything?
why not? are we just supposed to ignore it? stuff it in a closet? I wouldnt go so far as to say everything, I dont remember seeing race brought up in any of those "OMG we're all gonna die" Global Warming threads. Besides if a Liberal can play with the race cards why cant laz?
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You have to admit the black-centric ticks in the USA are beyond stupid at this point. They're worth mentionning, if not because of how stupid it is to perpetuate them, then because they're one of the foremost barriers to civility between blacks and others.
I've gotten **** from blacks more than 90% of the time when they were african americans, rather than from anywhere else such as Africa. The ad nauseum post-slavery stigma is like brain cancer... They need to move on already.
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My point is...why did a discussion about favorite films of an actor within 10 posts turn into "Black actors are this....he's not...he's the good one". I'm not saying to be hush hush but that absolutley had no bearing on what films of his are good? And I don't care liberal conservative or communist the race card is fluff'n annoying. How about taking people for who they are and not what they're "supposed to be".
EDIT: Actually I knew this thread wouldnt get far before this happened.
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It's just a side comment.. by and large every single thread has a lot of it. No big deal :)
I don't think it's untrue to say that most black actors do conform to what Lazs points out, and that it got old long ago. Cinema's a great art, and yet so much of it is spoiled by this nonsense that black people would have nothing to lose from ditching.
On topic, I have nothing to add. Washington's a great actor.
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Well since we're talking about it. Examples?
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Driving Miss Daisy, The Color Purple and Roots.
:aok
Mac
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I haven't followed movies in a long while (almost 3 years now), but I do remember thinking these things a long time ago already.
A pertinent example would be one where there's no specific need for it and where it's overused. You've never seen movies where a black actor is obviously there to keep the cast's albedo "balanced"? :)
I'm not saying black culture automaticaly makes for bad movies but that it's abused just as that woman did in FX1's real estate video.
Norbit is supposed to be what it is, but in some movies where people are supposed to act normal you will see black people do the "black thing" like that woman FX1 dealt with did, and almost everytime it makes for a huge false note.
It would probably be just another cultural quirk among every other, except it's not just any benign quirk. It doesn't deserve a place in movies in spite of good acting anymore than falsehoods like the Evil Japanese cliche didn't deserve to take the place of truth in WWII news reports.
Personaly it's a borderline big deal.. I could easily just ignore it, but it's a damn shame and ought to disappear into history like slavery did. I know I get a little irritated anytime I can't get along with some people only because of it.
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Thats the thing moot...this "acting" you speak of isnt forced all of the time...as you see in the video some people really act like that. To compare Denzel to that and then in the same breath say it shouldn't be there is to compare Harrison Ford to Larry the Cable Guy and say Larry the Cable Guy shouldnt be there(regardless of opinion) because he's not "good enough". People don't just come up with these characters out of nowhere. Believe it or not, I've met people that act just like Larry the Cable Guy and I've met people that act just like the people in FX1's videos.
My beef is that every single post(that I've seen) about something other than the standard Lazs always quips up with his generalizations....yet I guess I forgot who we're talking about atleast I'll give it to you lazs you're consistent.
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Originally posted by Viking
Fallen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119099/)
Let me tell you about the time I almost died...
man I dig that movie.
:aok :aok
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Larry the cable guy's quirks are personality traits, not echos from an event decades past. It isn't voluntary when some actors show a little of it, but it is a voluntary choice when people let it into their personalities in the first place. And in the case of FX1's anecdote, it was completely voluntary.. I'm not sure if you mean that it wasn't, but the only way it might seem involuntary or that this 'sub-culture' was forced onto the person is when you've lived with it long enough to think it's normal. It isn't any more normal than slavery itself would seem if you got sent back in time overnight.
Like I said, I think it's borderline out of place to mention it here, but nonetheless it is present in (three years ago when I was last in the medium anyway :p) the majority of movies and many things african american. Cue Cosby.
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I doint see what youre saying moot.
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Denzel is no doubt one of the best actors out there. I must say Training Day & Man on Fire. Havent seen Fallen yet tough.
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Don't worry about it, I'll explain it the next time a thread is on the subject. :)
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rightfoot... how is what I said "making it about race" any more than what you said?
You don't talk to the subject you condem the person bringing up the facts as he sees em.
Denzel is a fine actor.. certainly in the top 100 living and... I really enjoy his movies but..
I don't like most other black actors and the way they interact with their fellows. they are as I describe them. I think the trend is changing but..
none of them (black actors) do it as effortlessly as denzel. He makes us believe that he is "just one of the guys". Whatever part he plays... he seems to be comfortable in it and not just one more....
angry black man.
That stuff is silly.. it makes for crappy movies. You have to be some PC lefty a hole to pretend it isn't happening.
You talk about guns or global warming or cars or remodeling the house or tv's....you won't get any black anything out of me... why would you?
Talk about IQ and pretend that you didn't notice... talk about black actors... talk about riots... talk about social programs...
How can you leave race out of it? unless of course you are a complete idiot of you have an agenda or both.
When you talk about denzel as being a good actor you have to say why he is... A lot of that has to do with the graceful and intelligent way he deals with race...
When you say he is the best actor in the world... your agenda is showing... when you ignore him as compared to other black actors your agenda is showing.
It is to me... they same as ignoring the race of a white NBA player. calling him the best NBA player in the world even tho he is only in the top 100.
I am fair.. you are blind. and you are trying to put everyone elses eyes out.
lazs
lazs