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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Guppy35 on July 27, 2007, 06:20:32 PM
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From another board. No ID on the birds or pilots yet
http://www.aero-news.net/news/featurestories.cfm?ContentBlockID=e0b8b45d-175d-47fe-a063-7ad4367b4d28&Dynamic=1
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damn:(
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:(
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That is terrible news. My condolences for the pilot lost.
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Mustangs have been ID'd as
P-51A "Precious Metal" (This was a new build Allison engined P51A)
P-51D "Stang" (This one owned by Bob Odegard out of North Dakota who built the P51A)
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Truely sad, RIP, at least they went out doing somthing they loved.
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this is truely disturbing i hurts every time a warbid is lost and alot of been lately sadly..
and my condelences to the family:(
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That is real bad news.:(
I hope the other pilot survives.
My condolences to the pilot killed in the accident.
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Originally posted by SIK1
That is real bad news.:(
I hope the other pilot survives.
My condolences to the pilot killed in the accident.
I read that the other pilot walked away from the accident.
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Yeah, it was inverted auger for the pony that clipped. That is truly hurting me. I wish his family well.
Mark
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Very sorry to hear that.:(
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:cry
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Time to put things in perspective folks. Unfortunately life takes good people from us everyday. Not just in vintage aircraft.
My regrets to the family. And the loss of a P51 is sad.
Hajo
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This page has video footage. HERE (http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f149c4d)
My sincerest condolences to the family of Mr. Beck. :(
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Originally posted by Atoon
Truely sad, RIP, at least they went out doing somthing they loved.
Hell no! Trust me, spiraling toward the ground wingless is not something pilots LOVE.:furious
On the other note, I hate to ear about planes being destroyed ... on the plus side, they were "only mustangs". I mean by that there's a lot of them still flying, it's not like a Firefly, 109, zeke ...
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Valid point Frenchy, my statement was based on my recent visit to a convelescent hospitol.
Condolences to the family & friends.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Hell no! Trust me, spiraling toward the ground wingless is not something pilots LOVE.:furious
On the other note, I hate to ear about planes being destroyed ... on the plus side, they were "only mustangs". I mean by that there's a lot of them still flying, it's not like a Firefly, 109, zeke ...
you do realise that statment is flawed as there are few "original" aircraft that were restored and ever fewer pony bs, they are very rare these days. If you blow off losing 2 then 2 more might go and then 2 more as has been the recent trend sadly, and eventually none will be left its very very sad to me
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Hell no! Trust me, spiraling toward the ground wingless is not something pilots LOVE.:furious
I didn't see this happen in the footage. Maybe I'm watching a different video than you are. Looks like a tragic accident to me.
Originally posted by Enduro
This page has video footage. HERE (http://www.aero-tv.net/index.cfm?videoid=00b0d640-e714-4b79-b17b-6f3b0f149c4d)
My sincerest condolences to the family of Mr. Beck. :(
I would also like to agree with Atoon. These pilots were doing something they loved. Unfortunately, one died doing it.
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The trailing pony seemed awful high and hot (compared to "lead")...simply beyond the point he could safely abort?? Seemed like he needed to throttle up and do a missed approach even before the clip started.....very very sad...
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Hell no! Trust me, spiraling toward the ground wingless is not something pilots LOVE.:furious
On the other note, I hate to ear about planes being destroyed ... on the plus side, they were "only mustangs". I mean by that there's a lot of them still flying, it's not like a Firefly, 109, zeke ...
if i'm not mistaken, there's LESS than 150 mustangs still flying.....that's not a lot......
my condloences go to the lost pilot and his family & friends........
and i hope the other pilot/owner is ok and capable of rebuilding at least one of these beautiful birds
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john
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You know, it really doesn't matter HOW the crash was happening, whether the crash happened at low speed landing or at higher speed from altitude, the idea that the guy "died doing what he loved" is about as absurd as anything I've heard. The same thing is said about race car drivers.
Well, I'll just tell you, I've been upside down and on fire at over 170MPH, and because I was along for the ride, I had a few seconds to think. As the car hurtled along towards several fixed obstacles, I saw several things I thought were most likely going to kill me. Never once did I think "well, at least I'll die racing". And pilots of warbirds LOVE their planes, so I don't think they want to take the love of their life with them, either. When you race cars, you love racing, not crashing. You don't die racing, you die crashing. I'm sure the same applies to aircraft and flying.
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It seems to me that when the P-51A flared, his wing blocked his view of the P-51D which had already settled on its gear. Net result, he drifted over the tail of the P-51D and almost landed on top of its tail.
Very sad and tragic loss of a pilot and a rare aircraft...
I would think that formation landings should be avoided.... Too many ways to screw it up.
I loaded the game and set up a similar positional situation with the P-51D drone.
Here's the relationship of the two aircraft:
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/P-51B-0.jpg)
Here's what you see out of the cockpit of the slightly higher, trailing Mustang:
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/P-51B-1.jpg)
It seems rather likely that the P-51A lost sight of the P-51D when he flared..
My regards,
Widewing
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Good idea, Widewing. Interesting demo.
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(http://www.aero-news.net/images/content/general/2007/OSH07-P-51-accident-screengrab-0707d.jpg)
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Understand that the two pilots were long time friends and co-workers. The guy who died, Gerry Beck and Bob Odegard (his son was piloting the lead Mustang) built that P51A from the ground up. It was a new build P51A with an Allison engine. It was an absolute work of art too if you've seen any photos of it.
They were part of an air racing demonstration. The P51A was painted as an air racer "Precious Metal". That explains the green paint.
Gerry Beck has owned and worked on numerous warbirds. He had at least two Corsairs that I know of. I'd guess the Bodhi probably has dealt with him through his work.
Both pilots were very experienced warbird drivers. It's just one of those things. An absolute tragedy.
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This is a sad situation all around. A pilot was lost and most likely that P-51A is a right off. I know human life is worth more than any airplane. However it is very sad to see one less P-51 in the air. :(
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Double damn..:cry
My heart goes out to the pilot's family and friends...
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aero-news.net has the video of the crash, and a statement by the guy who runs the site.
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I was on the flight line with a direct view, but I wasn't watching that direction when the accident happened. This was a landing after a Reno Air Race demonstration. I don't think it was a planned formation landing. I have watched these racers do many demos, and I never remember them doing any formation landing. I believe the P51A lost sight of the P51D until it was too late.
Gunner
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Argh, horrible, what a shame. Thought and prayers to all.
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Also had a biplane go down during an airshow, and a floatplane crash killing 2 in Oregon.
Was a very bad week for vintage aviation.