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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SgtPappy on July 27, 2007, 10:13:01 PM
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Yea I've read up a few posts on the forums and concluded that it seems strange that we don't have the P-38H instead of the G, or, like the 109G6 to the G2, why we don't have it added.
Please don't destroy my puny and markedly stoopider mind, but I think it would be best to have the main ETO P-38 available in this game.
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The G and the J were added a while back. While I feel the reasoning was faulty, the main reason for adding the G as opposed to the H was that the H was very close to the J, and the J is close to the L. You are correct, the two fighter groups that started out with the 8th in late 1943 started with the H, not the G. And the G is not really an adequate substitute for the H. I doubt we'll see the P-38 get the same number of individual models as there are of the Spitfire or the 109. I don't really think the H is the primary P-38 of the ETO. The P-38J began to enter service in December of 1943, the P-38H had only been there since October.
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H very close to the J? hmm. the last I checked, it was more than 500 lbs lighter.
Also, its only 200 lbs heavier than a G while having 200 extra hp. To me, it's like a very nicely turning P-38J, but slightly easier to overheat.
As much as I love MesserSpits, it seems vastly unfair that we have so many models that are similar while not having the P-38H. The Spitfire XVI is very similar to the VIII but with clipped wings. That in itself is a relatively small modification. I mean think about it. If we only had the VIII and someone asked for a clipped wing XVI, many people would yell and whine... but we have it. To say that the H, turning like a G but climbing like a J is too similar to a J to be added, then that seems to make me think that the Spitfire XVI is just too similar to the VIII to have been added.
The F4U as well, though my main ride, is something of the same sort. The F4U-1A climbs and accels like the D, but turns like the 1-hog. It's actually similar in every way to the D-hog but it's just lacking pylons. The similarities are so obvious that the H should justly be added. The A-hog is to the D-hog as the P-38H is to the P-38J... if you get my drift. Or does it need a completely different ordnance load to be considered 'different enough'? If it's a matter of numbers, go perk it. Consider this: The C-hog = a D-hog with 4x 20mm, practically identical in every other way. Yes, the perk ordnance system will replace it, but it's not the end for the C-hog.
As for the 109, we have the G6 which really, doesn't seem very much of an addon. They say it's fun, and I don't disagree, but you'd might as well take a G2.
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The XVI has clipped wings, less fuel, .50 cals and wing hard points when compared to the VIII.
It is also natural that there will be more versions of the Spitfire and Bf109 as they were in the fight from the begining to the end, from before the US was at all. The Spit and 109 versions are more about time than simularity or lack of simularity.
That said, the more the merrier. A P-38H would increase the granularity of the P-38 set, and that is always a good thing.
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I love all 38s, I would not oppose any effort to add new variants. But dude seriously don't knock the G brother its a great plane in its own right, I use it alot. I would still like to see the droop snoot J variants that would be great. But really any planes they add fill in gaps here and there, but to be honest HTC has a great product and it just keeps getting better and given enough time im sure more planes/variants will be added so dont fret about it man.
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Drop Snoop would be useless in AH.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Drop Snoop would be useless in AH.
ack-ack
Why? then I could dump my ords from altitude, destroy my target and not have to dive down into the fray. Less mess that way.
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no defense, it would be fodder for any late war fighter.
ack-ack
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what about the 38 they had that had the 37mm cannon instead of the 20mm on it? hell then you got youself a dual engined 109k4 flyign around (yes i know thats a 30mm on the k4 so spare me the critisism). i think it would just be fun to dive in on a bomber and the guy thinking, oh its just a 38. few rounds later, 3 37mm cannon rounds rip his wing or fuselage off and he is left floating to the ground going WTF?
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Those were the E, very few saw combat before the F began to reach the line. They only saw action in the Aleutians and I think a few in the SWPA before they were replaced.
The 37mm was extremely problematic, almost always jammed after 2 or 3 rounds.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Those were the E, very few saw combat before the F began to reach the line. They only saw action in the Aleutians and I think a few in the SWPA before they were replaced.
The 37mm was extremely problematic, almost always jammed after 2 or 3 rounds.
All E models sent to the Aleutians were upgraded to F configuration fuel systems by Lockheed before the were deployed. Moreover, it was the E model that introduced the 20mm (Oldsmobile built Hispano) replacing the 37mm of the D model.
My regards,
Widewing
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Ah, so then the 37mm never saw combat. D's never made it past the ConUS.
So I was one model off, I was working from memory after a 16 hour workday :p
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Actually I'd rather see a P38 variant with 8x50cals rather than a 37mm. Much more deadlier. Don't know if any of those saw combat......:aok
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If the spit dweebs can have 6 variants and the 109s have 6 variants well we 38 dweebs should have 6 variants too. Give us the 38H.
Hazard, 38L superstrafer was experimental. It had the ability to have 12x50s, 8 in the nose and 4 in wingpods. I still want it though. :t
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P-38-K
That is all.
Bronk
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Any new 38 is fine by me...
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Originally posted by Bronk
P-38-K
That is all.
Bronk
LOL! That'd sure piss off the troops. It'd be right up there with the F4U-4 though. Too bad they only built the prototype.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Ah, so then the 37mm never saw combat. D's never made it past the ConUS.
So I was one model off, I was working from memory after a 16 hour workday :p
From what I've gathered from Guppy, the 37mm wasn't on any production D model even though the design specs listed the 37mm.
ack-ack
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12x .50s on a P38? RAWR!!! sign me up! i mean hell, they call it the can opener for two reasons already, 1. there was an actual can opener designated by the army as the p-38, and with the current gun packages its a beast anyways! RAWR!
oh yeah, not sure but is there a variant that saw combat that had 4x hispano's?
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Thanks for the support and keep it coming. It makes me feel better :D
Karnak, my bad... all these years with my face stuck in Spitfire books and i forgot the extra 12 imp. gallon wing tanks in the VIII and E-type armament on the XVI heheh.
Sorry DaddyAck, I really didn't mean to insult the P-38G... in fact, the reason why I started this thread is because I found the P-38G to an extremely fun and useful fighter and was wondering what happened to the H. But your words have kept my hopes up!
Scorp, I'm sure Widewing has some info but I don't believe there were more than 10 of those P-38's. They did enter service, but they were more of a field mod. and no, there were no 4x 20mm P-38's.
But yes. Anyone have some cool pics of the P-38H to add to the forum? To tell you the truth I have no idea what the external differences that distinguish all P-38F's from G's and those from H's. Well, other than the H's slimmer 20mm.
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Originally posted by ScorpCH
what about the 38 they had that had the 37mm cannon instead of the 20mm on it? hell then you got youself a dual engined 109k4 flyign around (yes i know thats a 30mm on the k4 so spare me the critisism). i think it would just be fun to dive in on a bomber and the guy thinking, oh its just a 38. few rounds later, 3 37mm cannon rounds rip his wing or fuselage off and he is left floating to the ground going WTF?
Um.. I wreck buffs all the time in my 38, the .50s and the 20mm make easy work of them. :t
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
no defense, it would be fodder for any late war fighter.
ack-ack
And whoom is going to actually intercept me at altitude? I make buff runs at 25K and people are never up there (well sometimes the rooks but...)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
no defense, it would be fodder for any late war fighter.
ack-ack
I think in WWII the droop snoot lead a group of P-38s. I haven't read much about it, but I seem to recall reading that such missions were successful. So, a droop snoot and P-38 mission could get alt fast, close up in very tight formation, listen to the bombardier call off drop times for targets, and then, unloaded, go fight, and protect the droop snoot. But such missions would take skill. Probably could not justify the resources to develop it for the amount of use it would see.
Best Regards
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they already have the 38J chasis, they just need to slap a glass nose on and add propper bomb site. (I know of squads that would love to do that type of mission)
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Hazard, 38L superstrafer was experimental. It had the ability to have 12x50s, 8 in the nose and 4 in wingpods. I still want it though. :t
No not 12 x 50cals, 8x 50cals. I was under the impression that the earlier P38 variants used to have 8x50cals before the 20mm became standard.
Will try and look up where I read that.:( :o :D
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Originally posted by Hazard69
No not 12 x 50cals, 8x 50cals. I was under the impression that the earlier P38 variants used to have 8x50cals before the 20mm became standard.
Will try and look up where I read that.:( :o :D
Your impression is innaccurate. 4 MGs and a cannon was the standard armament from day 1. Only the size and model of the cannon changed.
There were a few experiments, both official and in the field, to upgun them but the standard arrangement was just about perfect.
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I concede Treize69. You are correct:aok . Just re-read some of my reference books.:cool:
Guess this is what happens when you don't read em for a long time.
:D :o
Dunno how I got that idea.......:p
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think we will need some of these to get the H model
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/949/randalls196135293264zh8.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/949/randalls196135293264zh8.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/949/randalls196135293264zh8.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/949/randalls196135293264zh8.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/949/randalls196135293264zh8.jpg) (http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/949/randalls196135293264zh8.jpg) :D
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Count me in then.
Those B-25 updates make me want an H even more...
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maybe the leader of a certain 38 secret society
which shall remain nameless:noid
could open up a paypal account to accept donations to buy
the goods"scotch hitech`s weakness" to send the mighty coader
to add are beloved 38h i for 1 would donate:D
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I still will tear ur p38's up with my 1943 -1 hog, hehehehe
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Originally posted by Bronk
P-38-K
That is all.
Bronk
ditto
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Yes, oh anonymous head of this secret organization, where is said collection for a case of the Water of Life?
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Originally posted by AKDogg
I still will tear ur p38's up with my 1943 -1 hog, hehehehe
Well the P-38's really do out vertically maneuver hogs at low speed... especially the F4U-1.
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corky?:noid
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Originally posted by SgtPappy
Well the P-38's really do out vertically maneuver hogs at low speed... especially the F4U-1.
only if you fly them perfect.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Water of Life?
F@#$in' Brilliant!:lol