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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: VWE on July 28, 2007, 01:33:29 AM
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I'm going to see a whole bunch of these the first week this is out, oh the perkies to be had from sending these down in the droves!
Early model B25, no tail turret... sweet...
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/images/b25/b255.jpg)
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Love the damage model. That looks nice
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Love the damage model. That looks nice
I concur.
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While this bird may have its drawbacks ( I thought it would have been atleast the H and J models) there are crafty enough buff pilots out there that will still use them to good effect. Though sadly, you are correct that the newblings that want to use it cause it is new will be relatively easy pickings for about a month maby or untill they are tired of getting ganked all the time.
I'll still use it though, cause it is what I wanted. Though I really wanted the He-111 more, because the Luft pilots need more bombers. Well that and the He-111 is my favorite bomber (don't laugh, its later models were not too terrible).
:aok
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I just want to fly the 111 within that greenhouse, gotta be one cool view.
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
I thought it would have been atleast the H and J models
(http://www1.hitechcreations.com/images/b25/b256.jpg)
Note the nose. :)
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That plane is soo gona get slaughtered....
no tail gun?
its a B-26 with crutches...im gonna enjoy all the free kills :D
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/B25-mitchell-assembly.jpg
My favorite B-25 pic.
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tailgun or no they are all 110 fodder
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Anyone noticed we're getting lots of versions? We're getting the spud thrower, pls the 50 cals version plus the solid nose version! WOO hoo!
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Originally posted by macleod01
Anyone noticed we're getting lots of versions? We're getting the spud thrower, pls the 50 cals version plus the solid nose version! WOO hoo!
I don't think spud thrower is a good discription, maybe papaya tosser would be more accurate. :P
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Yup, no tail gun... just a window so you can sit back there and scream!
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Thats funny, I never knew that the non-TG versions had a window back there...interesting. ;)
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(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/101-200/walk125_B-25/images%20Steve%20Hawley/B-25%20Tail%20Cone.jpg)
(http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/060415-F-0000G-023.jpg)
:p
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Uh, you should read your history... those were broom sticks pointing out the back...
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Originally posted by VWE
Uh, you should read your history... those were broom sticks pointing out the back...
Did he say they were'nt?
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How much longer you guys think it will be tell the B-25 is ready for AH. I'm going to say friday it comes out.
Looking good though, can't wait to fly her.
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Originally posted by VooWho
How much longer you guys think it will be tell the B-25 is ready for AH. I'm going to say friday it comes out.
Looking good though, can't wait to fly her.
2 weeks :D
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Originally posted by Wes14
hit Alt-F4 and it tells you :D
Sorry doesn't work on me.
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:rofl
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Originally posted by VWE
Yup, no tail gun... just a window so you can sit back there and scream!
3 versions, that was more than I expected for a new release considering recent history on releases. C/D version, G conversion, 5th AF strafer conversion.
No tailgun of course,....
BUT what I have not seen in any pics yet is whether or not the C/D version (and possibly G) has the retractable ventral turret or not. The 5th AF version probably shouldn't, from what others posted it was removed as a matter of course in the refit, and some G's had it, some didn't, and most of the C/D's did.
If all it has is the dorsal turret, and no retractable ventral turret..... well, lambs to the slaughter....... or maybe lemmings?........ Come in below the dorsal turret, or behind one of those big rudders on approach and: "squeak!...pop!....squeak!....pop!...."
I also expect LTAR scores to go wayyy up the first 2 tours after release of 2.11.
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Originally posted by blkmgc
Did he say they were'nt?
Still waiting for an answer to this one.
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the last thing we need is another american bomber, im pissed about getting it
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No... he posted one without gun and one with what appear to be guns and ends it with sticking his tongue out. Which I took as a 'see it does have guns' to which I was pointing out how that particular picture was not a good example... its no fun posting when I have to explain this stuff! Did y'all not get any sleep last night? Go have some more coffee! :D
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Originally posted by tedrbr
3 versions, that was more than I expected for a new release considering recent history on releases.
Hmm how many did I say?
:D
Bronk
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there will be 2 versions not 3..move along now:aok
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Originally posted by Souless
there will be 2 versions not 3..move along now:aok
Quiet you. :p
:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by BennyBeaver
the last thing we need is another american bomber, im pissed about getting it
Holy angry freeloaders Batman! :rolleyes:
Too bad the majority of folks voting voted for it.
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Originally posted by Souless
there will be 2 versions not 3..move along now
Well, actually it's One version of the B-25 (a B-25D from the numbers Widewing posted) with two primary load out options, or modifications: the G-factory modification that was done to some C/D's (before dedicated G's were made), and the strafer mod for 5th AF done to some B-25C/D's. The same airframe and FM for them across the board, possibly?
Now, how it will appear in the Hangar: 1 plane with various load-out options, or more than 1 plane shown in the hangar, is going to be interesting. Also whether or not any of them get drones or not (sort of a A-20/Boston kind of thing).
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Given the differences in the nose (B-25G having a snub-nose) my guess would be B-25C/D with the strafer as an alternate package, and B-25G as a separate aircraft.
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Originally posted by VWE
Yup, no tail gun... just a window so you can sit back there and scream!
lol
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I don't know how much I will fly it (in my case, try) but i'm sure I'll have fun regardless :aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Still waiting for an answer to this one.
Some of us have lives outside the forums, get over it.
No s*** it didnt have guns, that might be why the "tracks" for them are at opposing angles and painted on.
And thanks to every movie with anything remotely to do with the Doolittle Raid working in dialogue about the guns being broomsticks, every dipstick whos ever been to a movie theater knows that one.
Thos were showing the glass tail cone with no guns, try looking at previous posts before finding something to ***** about.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
If all it has is the dorsal turret, and no retractable ventral turret..... well, lambs to the slaughter
How is that different from the A20 or Boston?
Or Lanc, for that matter?
- oldman
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Well, the A20 or Boston has speed on its side... a mossie on 1 engine will be able to catch the -25's.
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I think that the B25D had a celing around 24,000 and was at that altitude made around 275mph (this is from memory I am at work, so I do not have acess to my library y'all don't pick me apart)
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Here ya go, I'll throw you out a bone...
Specification of the North American B-25D Mitchell:
Engines: Two Wright R-2600-13 Double Cyclone fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, each rated at 1700 hp each for takeoff, 1500 hp at 2400 rpm. Equipped with Holley 1685HA carburetors. Performance: Maximum speed 284 mph at 15,000 feet. Cruising speed 233 mph at 15,000 feet. Initial climb rate 1100 feet per minute. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be reached in 16.5 minutes. Service ceiling 24,000 feet, Range 1500 miles with 3000 pounds of bombs. Weights: 20,300 pounds empty, 34,000 pounds maximum loaded. Dimensions: wingspan 67 feet 67.7 inches, length 53 feet 0 inches, height 15 feet 9 inches, wing area 610 square feet. Fuel: The fuel capacity consisted of four tanks in the inner wing panels, with a total capacity of 670 US gallons. In addition, a 515-gallon tank could be installed in the bomb bay for ferrying purposes, bringing total fuel capacity to 1255 US gallons. Later versions had additional auxiliary fuel tanks in the outer wing panels. Later versions could also have 125-gallon tanks fitted in side waist positions, a 215-gallon self-sealing fuel tank installed in the bomb bay, and provisions could be made for a droppable 335-gallon metal bomb-bay fuel tank. Armament: Two 0.50-inch machine guns in dorsal turret. Two 0.50-inch machine guns in retractable ventral turret. One 0.30-inch machine gun in flexible mount in the nose. Starting with B-25D-5 the 0.30-inch nose gun was removed and replaced by a flexible 0.50-inch machine gun in the extreme nose and two fixed 0.50-inch machine mounted in the nose and firing through holes cut into the side of the Plexiglas glazing. Normal bomb load was 3000 pounds but could be increased on the B-25D-1-NA with external underwing racks to a maximum of 5200 pounds.
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Originally posted by VWE
Here ya go, I'll throw you out a bone...
Specification of the North American B-25D Mitchell:
Engines: Two Wright R-2600-13 Double Cyclone fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radials, each rated at 1700 hp each for takeoff, 1500 hp at 2400 rpm. Equipped with Holley 1685HA carburetors. Performance: Maximum speed 284 mph at 15,000 feet. Cruising speed 233 mph at 15,000 feet. Initial climb rate 1100 feet per minute. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be reached in 16.5 minutes. Service ceiling 24,000 feet, Range 1500 miles with 3000 pounds of bombs. Weights: 20,300 pounds empty, 34,000 pounds maximum loaded. Dimensions: wingspan 67 feet 67.7 inches, length 53 feet 0 inches, height 15 feet 9 inches, wing area 610 square feet. Fuel: The fuel capacity consisted of four tanks in the inner wing panels, with a total capacity of 670 US gallons. In addition, a 515-gallon tank could be installed in the bomb bay for ferrying purposes, bringing total fuel capacity to 1255 US gallons. Later versions had additional auxiliary fuel tanks in the outer wing panels. Later versions could also have 125-gallon tanks fitted in side waist positions, a 215-gallon self-sealing fuel tank installed in the bomb bay, and provisions could be made for a droppable 335-gallon metal bomb-bay fuel tank. Armament: Two 0.50-inch machine guns in dorsal turret. Two 0.50-inch machine guns in retractable ventral turret. One 0.30-inch machine gun in flexible mount in the nose. Starting with B-25D-5 the 0.30-inch nose gun was removed and replaced by a flexible 0.50-inch machine gun in the extreme nose and two fixed 0.50-inch machine mounted in the nose and firing through holes cut into the side of the Plexiglas glazing. Normal bomb load was 3000 pounds but could be increased on the B-25D-1-NA with external underwing racks to a maximum of 5200 pounds.
Hmm... A B-25D with 25% fuel, no bombs should weigh in around 26,000 lb. Given the wing area, that should produce a wing loading of 43 to 44 lb per sq/ft. That gentlemen, is better than many fighters.
I think that I'm gonna like the B-25...
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by VWE
Here ya go, I'll throw you out a bone...
Specification of the North American B-25D Mitchell:
Performance: Maximum speed 284 mph at 15,000 feet.
I've seen 271, 274, and your 284 figure all listed for 15K alt. Considering performance curves of other American bombers, I'm guessing on the deck that will translate into between 220 to 250mph.
Normal bomb load was 3000 pounds but could be increased on the B-25D-1-NA with external underwing racks to a maximum of 5200 pounds.
IIRC, external racks first appeared with the B-25H (the J certainly had them as they made use of rockets with the J a lot by that time in the war) but certainly they would have be retrofitted onto earlier models whose wing spars could take the loads. Also, to make that maximum bomb load, they had to go with light fuel loads, thus limiting their range. Not sure if the game code would support a hard limit on a fuel load out in the hangar screen to accommodate a maximum bomb load.
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I smell a hanger queen.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Given the differences in the nose (B-25G having a snub-nose) my guess would be B-25C/D with the strafer as an alternate package, and B-25G as a separate aircraft.
That would work. And the "painted" nose section on the strafer see in one pic could "cover up" use of the Norden bombsite (if C/D equipped with one) on the strafer version.... you go to F6 and only see black.
Would also allow drones for C/D and strafer, and no drones for G.