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Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: yanksfan on July 28, 2007, 05:56:22 AM
Who's the best?

I have flown rook mostly, knit for several months back to rooks, haven't been bish except for when i first started for about a month.

Some really good squads in all three and some great players in all three, just wonderd what everyone else thinks.

http://www.freewebs.com/yanksfan001/
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Avaro on July 28, 2007, 05:59:15 AM
I had flown rook since ah1 days and then i finally realized their all the same none is better none is worse.. Well maybe the bish but i wont go there.:aok
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: evenhaim on July 28, 2007, 06:03:32 AM
rooks and knights are both good im a loyal rook, but ya i dont like bish too many squeeks
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Avaro on July 28, 2007, 06:10:29 AM
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Originally posted by evenhaim
rooks and knights are both good im a loyal rook, but ya i dont like bish too many squeeks


Well i'd hope so! :p Midnight has been rooks as long as i can remember haha.. :D Yea.. About bish.. I wont go there as i stated.:aok
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: VWE on July 28, 2007, 06:41:18 AM
Flew Kniggits for the first couple of years then switched to Rooks, been a Rook ever since. I'm not a spit-elgay7-niki-runninpony-altmokey38-dweeb so I've never had a reason or will to fly Bish...
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Nilsen on July 28, 2007, 07:03:15 AM
Flown knit for most of my career but there are good guys on all teams. Cant fly bish tho as there is one squad (and a player in particular)  that i would not be able to shoot down :D
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Platano on July 28, 2007, 07:51:23 AM
All the same. In the end the Bad guy is still Red and good guys Green.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Max on July 28, 2007, 08:28:34 AM
One chess piece is definitely the best but I aint sayin which one :cool:

Spend a week flying each country. Chances are you'll find an equal amount of good sticks, squeakers, noobs, armchair generals and a lotta folks just looking to have fun.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Lusche on July 28, 2007, 08:57:29 AM
If average K/D would mean anything, Rooks would be considered the "best", Bishops the "worst"...  ;)
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 28, 2007, 09:11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Max
One chess piece is definitely the best but I aint sayin which one :cool:

Spend a week flying each country. Chances are you'll find an equal amount of good sticks, squeakers, noobs, armchair generals and a lotta folks just looking to have fun.
No phallic symbols allowed! :D
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: crockett on July 28, 2007, 11:25:52 AM
We had this discussion before, I think it was unanimous decision that Rooks are of course the best .

:D
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: SteveBailey on July 28, 2007, 11:32:16 AM
Rooks make the tastiest victims, so they are the best.

All teams are about the same, although personal experience has induced me to swear off from ever flying bish.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: BaldEagl on July 28, 2007, 11:50:10 AM
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Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: SOB on July 28, 2007, 11:55:33 AM
eh.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: crockett on July 28, 2007, 12:11:08 PM
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
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Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Masherbrum on July 28, 2007, 12:25:09 PM
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Originally posted by crockett
(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/999/15023186.JPG)
ROTFLMMAO!!!
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: mensa180 on July 28, 2007, 12:36:04 PM
(http://www.houseofstaunton.com/mammothimperialknight.jpg)
Title: Re: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: CAP1 on July 28, 2007, 01:08:23 PM
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Originally posted by yanksfan
Who's the best?

I have flown rook mostly, knit for several months back to rooks, haven't been bish except for when i first started for about a month.

http://www.freewebs.com/yanksfan001/
i fly with the hired guns..we're knights in MW and EW...work with the 68th in there and freebirds sometimes...great guys. in LW, i've recently flown with some of the righteous vengence guys...GREAT guys, and very helpful too! they treated me as if i was one of their own.

Some really good squads in all three and some great players in all three, just wonderd what everyone else thinks.

.[/COLOR] as far as bish squads....the only one i've seen or fought on a regular basis would be the soars,,,,,very good fights with them,,,
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Roidrage on July 28, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
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Originally posted by VWE
Flew Kniggits for the first couple of years then switched to Rooks, been a Rook ever since.I'm not a spit-elgay7-niki-runninpony-altmokey38-dweeb so I've never had a reason or will to fly Bish...


You can use that to describe bish, but you see it on every side.
Title: Re: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Sweet2th on July 28, 2007, 01:10:50 PM
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Originally posted by yanksfan
Who's the best?

I have flown rook mostly, knit for several months back to rooks, haven't been bish except for when i first started for about a month.

Some really good squads in all three and some great players in all three, just wonderd what everyone else thinks.

http://www.freewebs.com/yanksfan001/



It doesn't matter because all 3 of them runaway.
Title: Re: Re: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Sweet2th on July 28, 2007, 01:11:22 PM
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
It doesn't matter because all 3 of them runaway.


I am sorry i meant  " EXTEND "
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Roidrage on July 28, 2007, 01:17:13 PM
I'll extend you right in the face Sweet2th
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Sweet2th on July 28, 2007, 01:48:03 PM
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Originally posted by Roidrage
I'll extend you right in the face Sweet2th


yea with those weak tactics of yours, don't SING it BRING it !


lol

remember the last time we took up a flight what we did to Ol BBAW:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: tedrbr on July 28, 2007, 01:59:13 PM
General observation.
 
Bish tend to have the numbers more often than not, and are probably the best at consistently posting large missions.
Rooks fall in second on having numbers and running missions.  Very often I've seen Rooks concentrate more on lower numbered Knits when Bish had the number superiority in an arena.
Knits usually have lowest number in the more crowded LW arena.  They sometimes have the numbers in the lower populated LW arena, and apparently have some success at peak times in European or Asian time zones from what I gather on some maps.  I see the least amount of coordination and cooperation and missions while flying Knit.  I also see the Knits getting rolled most often.


Last night, Mountain Standard Time, in Orange on the new map was pretty typical of what I've been seeing in the most populated LW war arena.  There have been exceptions, but, generally.....

Either the Rooks or Bish will have the greatest numbers.  The Knits generally have the least numbers in the populated LW arena.  Sometimes they have the numbers in the lower populated LW arena.
The Rooks or Bish will be doing well at posting large missions.  The Knits are probably the worst at it lately, as well as any kind of coordination outside of a very few squad efforts, most of which look like defense and fighter sweeps.  
The Rooks AND the Bish will have a large percentage of their players going after the outnumbered Knits.  At one point I saw 4 Rook, 3 Bish, and 12 Knit flashing bases, and Knits were getting rolled up in the north (The Rooks in the West had the numbers, the Bish had similar numbers to the Knits, and it was the Bish rolling up the Knits in coordinated attacks --- most Knits involved in a furball all night).  
The Bish and Rooks tend to finally turn on each other after Knits rolled back to their uncapturable bases.

NOW, I don't have any chess piece loyalty.  My first 1-1/2 years I flew Rook, but now I log in, I tend to switch to the country with the least number of players.  Just happens to be Knit most of the time these days.  If things are especially "squeakish" there and becoming frustrating (it happens sometimes), then I move to the second most populated country.  I avoid being part of whichever horde is operating in an arena.  

Now, other times of the day for different time zones, I cannot say how things break down.  And these trends tend to change over time.  I suspect the influx of "squeakers" over summer and the lower participation of some of the "old timers" during "squeaker season" has something to do with this..... possibly there have even been a loss of many of the older players, from some of what I've seen posted in the game, but only HTC knows whats going on with their subscribers.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: yanksfan on July 28, 2007, 04:37:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by tedrbr
General observation.
 
Bish tend to have the numbers more often than not, and are probably the best at consistently posting large missions.
Rooks fall in second on having numbers and running missions.  Very often I've seen Rooks concentrate more on lower numbered Knits when Bish had the number superiority in an arena.
Knits usually have lowest number in the more crowded LW arena.  They sometimes have the numbers in the lower populated LW arena, and apparently have some success at peak times in European or Asian time zones from what I gather on some maps.  I see the least amount of coordination and cooperation and missions while flying Knit.  I also see the Knits getting rolled most often.


Last night, Mountain Standard Time, in Orange on the new map was pretty typical of what I've been seeing in the most populated LW war arena.  There have been exceptions, but, generally.....

Either the Rooks or Bish will have the greatest numbers.  The Knits generally have the least numbers in the populated LW arena.  Sometimes they have the numbers in the lower populated LW arena.
The Rooks or Bish will be doing well at posting large missions.  The Knits are probably the worst at it lately, as well as any kind of coordination outside of a very few squad efforts, most of which look like defense and fighter sweeps.  
The Rooks AND the Bish will have a large percentage of their players going after the outnumbered Knits.  At one point I saw 4 Rook, 3 Bish, and 12 Knit flashing bases, and Knits were getting rolled up in the north (The Rooks in the West had the numbers, the Bish had similar numbers to the Knits, and it was the Bish rolling up the Knits in coordinated attacks --- most Knits involved in a furball all night).  
The Bish and Rooks tend to finally turn on each other after Knits rolled back to their uncapturable bases.

NOW, I don't have any chess piece loyalty.  My first 1-1/2 years I flew Rook, but now I log in, I tend to switch to the country with the least number of players.  Just happens to be Knit most of the time these days.  If things are especially "squeakish" there and becoming frustrating (it happens sometimes), then I move to the second most populated country.  I avoid being part of whichever horde is operating in an arena.  

Now, other times of the day for different time zones, I cannot say how things break down.  And these trends tend to change over time.  I suspect the influx of "squeakers" over summer and the lower participation of some of the "old timers" during "squeaker season" has something to do with this..... possibly there have even been a loss of many of the older players, from some of what I've seen posted in the game, but only HTC knows whats going on with their subscribers.


Very well thought observations
Title: Re: Re: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: kilz on July 28, 2007, 04:53:49 PM
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Originally posted by CAP1
i fly with the hired guns..we're knights in MW and EW...work with the 68th in there and freebirds sometimes...great guys. in LW, i've recently flown with some of the righteous vengence guys...GREAT guys, and very helpful too! they treated me as if i was one of their own.

Some really good squads in all three and some great players in all three, just wonderd what everyone else thinks.

.[/COLOR] as far as bish squads....the only one i've seen or fought on a regular basis would be the soars,,,,,very good fights with them,,,


try fighting other places then Early War and Mid War you might find alot more squads then SOAR LMFAO
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Zazen13 on July 28, 2007, 06:26:13 PM
I have long studied the "birds of a feather flock together" phenomena in AH. Rather than write a lengthy essay on it, I will sum it up for you...

Bish Mentality: One toolshed is worth 1,000 deaths. Bish will suicide themselves in a frenzy of mindless HO'ing or pork n 'augering if it means even the tiniest hope of taking a field. There is nothing sacred to a Bish when it comes to landgrabbing, the ends justify the means. From a fighter pilot's perspective I find Bish have a much lower skill quotient in general than the other two countries.There are exceptions but if I see a swarm of HO'ing Lgay7's and Spit16s spiral diving after a wingless fuselage, I don't have to look at their icon to know they're Bish..

Knight Mentality: Knights really like to establish CAP and farm kills, not necessarily by design. A distinct lack of bomber pilots and people who generally fly heavy means long periods of vulching. Knights will tend to establish CAP over a field and vulch patiently for hours while their lone buff dude flies back and forth taking town down and fetching troops. From a fighter pilot's perspective Knights have a broad spectrum of skill levels of relatively equal proportion, from the guy who can only get kills vulching to the steeley eyed predators.

Rook Mentality: Rooks tend to be all about the furball. Base taking is completely secondary to the furball. Generally, Rooks will dogpile a good furball until the point their numbers create a situation where taking the enemy's base at the other side is the only thing left to do, so they do it. Rooks therefore tend to end up gang-banging alot, because they are individually drawn compulsively to the largest concentration of aircraft on the map. From a fighter pilot's perspective Rooks have a much higher proportion of the category I refer to as the predator, usually experienced fighter pilots who do alot of killing and relatively little dying, so tend to fly higher than average.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Zazen13 on July 28, 2007, 06:32:37 PM
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Originally posted by tedrbr
General observation.
 
Bish tend to have the numbers more often than not, and are probably the best at consistently posting large missions.


This is part of the reason Bishland has become ubiquitously recognized as , "The Home of the Squeakers". The mission-centricity of Bishland is conducive to the younger/less experienced crowd, as someone else is doing the thinking for them. All they must do individually is what they're told in "follow-the-leader" fashion...Obviously, this serves to greatly simplify the complexity of the game on an individual level of play...
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: froger on July 28, 2007, 06:43:43 PM
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Originally posted by VWE
Flew Kniggits for the first couple of years then switched to Rooks, been a Rook ever since. I'm not a spit-elgay7-niki-runninpony-altmokey38-dweeb so I've never had a reason or will to fly Bish...


Looks like BB is turning into ch 200 with all the crap mouths trashing people just to get a response.
What cracks me up is all the crap you guys spew about bish is all said by bish about you guys.

Guess it just cant be about fun no more...

PS,.....whens your 11th birthday VWE:aok
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: froger on July 28, 2007, 06:47:06 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
This is part of the reason Bishland has become ubiquitously recognized as , "The Home of the Squeakers". The mission-centricity of Bishland is conducive to the younger/less experienced crowd, as someone else is doing the thinking for them. All they must do individually is what they're told in "follow-the-leader" fashion...Obviously, this serves to greatly simplify the complexity of the game on an individual level of play...


muppits seam to post alot of responses......hmmmmmmmmmmm

must be the preschool cartoon thing.
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Lusche on July 28, 2007, 06:57:03 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
From a fighter pilot's perspective I find Bish have a much lower skill quotient in general than the other two countries.There are exceptions but if I see a swarm of HO'ing Lgay7's and Spit16s spiral diving after a wingless fuselage, I don't have to look at their icon to know they're Bish..
 


Hmm just out of curiosity, I took a look at the top 20 ranked Fighter pilots of last tour (due to lack of other ways to determine any individual "quality"):

These 20 guys had a kill total of 19511.
8942 of these were achieved being Rook
8935 of these were achieved being Knight
1634 of these were achived being Bishop (with one pilot alone having 1155 kills!)

10 had the majority of their kills as a Rook, 9 as a Knight and only 1 as a Bishop.


Draw your own conclusions, if any ;)
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: E25280 on July 28, 2007, 07:38:35 PM
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
All teams are about the same, although personal experience has induced me to swear off from ever flying bish.
Too bad -- I enjoyed your company the few times I've seen you in Bishland.

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Originally posted by VWE
I'm not a spit-elgay7-niki-runninpony-altmokey38-dweeb...
So, explain why you are rook again?  Describes them more than any other country (most of all the "runninpony-altmonkey38-dweeb" part of that).

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Originally posted by Zazen13
This is part of the reason Bishland has become ubiquitously recognized as , "The Home of the Squeakers". The mission-centricity of Bishland is conducive to the younger/less experienced crowd, as someone else is doing the thinking for them. All they must do individually is what they're told in "follow-the-leader" fashion...Obviously, this serves to greatly simplify the complexity of the game on an individual level of play...
I would agree with this generally.  Seems many "squeakers" either get chased out of the other countries or quit out of frustration.  One could therefore conclude that, without Bishland, AH would not be growing.   :aok

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Originally posted by Zazen13
10 had the majority of their kills as a Rook, 9 as a Knight and only 1 as a Bishop.

Draw your own conclusions, if any
A few alternate conclusions:
1) We openly laugh at rank potatos.
2) As extraordinary toolshedders, everyone in Bishland flies "attack" and not "fighter."
3) It is hard to get a good fighter rank flying an IL2.
4) It is all part of our plan to lure RookNits into a false sense of security.
5) It is all part of Dan/CorkyJr/Guppy's sinister plot to ruin AH.
:D
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Lusche on July 28, 2007, 07:41:16 PM
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Originally posted by E25280
TA few alternate conclusions:
1) We openly laugh at rank potatos.
2) As extraordinary toolshedders, everyone in Bishland flies "attack" and not "fighter."
3) It is hard to get a good fighter rank flying an IL2.
4) It is all part of our plan to lure RookNits into a false sense of security.
5) It is all part of Dan/CorkyJr/Guppy's sinister plot to ruin AH.
:D


#5 seems most plausible to me...
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Zazen13 on July 28, 2007, 08:03:26 PM
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Originally posted by E25280
I would agree with this generally.  Seems many "squeakers" either get chased out of the other countries or quit out of frustration.  One could therefore conclude that, without Bishland, AH would not be growing.   :aok



Exactly, no doubt it can be a good thing for the community at large to have a country that caters to the needs of the new/young/inexperienced players. But, are you familiar with the term NIMBY (Not In My Back-Yard)? That describes my feeling toward Bish, while it may be good for the game as a whole in the end, that particular environment is not something I would choose to subject myself to during my precious free-time when I choose to play AH...I think those that have expressed a similar sentiment toward Bishland are merely expressing that same feeling...

In alot of ways Bishland is basically, "Training Arena Phase II" which is good in that it really helps noobs transition from that, " Not having any clue whatsoever" phase over the huge hump to the, "Has somewhat of a  clue..." phase..

Let's face sobering facts here. The typical 13 year old today needs all the help they can get. They're so busy holding up their droopy drawers with one hand and flashing gang signs with the other, one has to wonder with what are they grasping their joystick... ;)
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: E25280 on July 28, 2007, 08:12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Let's face sobering facts here. The typical 13 year old today needs all the help they can get. They're so busy holding up their droopy drawers with one hand and flashing gang signs with the other, one has to wonder with what are they grasping their joystick... ;)
:lol
Title: Rook knit or bish?
Post by: Stang on July 28, 2007, 08:37:19 PM
:lol

lolz Zaz hah.