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Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Uriel on July 29, 2007, 11:00:39 PM
A good lesson for newbies. So.. how to begin?

I have been playing for 3 months.. and managed to get my attack score down to the 420's during this mid month.. then I tried to focus on fighter skills since Im horrible at dogfighting. Finally, I start reading all the instructions.

1. I have been flying way out of trim. I can not stress the importance.
2. I have not been using full visablity range.. doh! that was really dumb.

So I get my self in trim, and use full visability- and I take out three tanks in one flight..

LESSON LEARNED.. read the F****** intructions!

beware you tankers.. cause I got a jug full of woop oscar for ya.. see you out there ;)

Uri
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Husky01 on July 29, 2007, 11:01:56 PM
So IN on this one.
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: jhookt on July 30, 2007, 12:17:25 AM
takes an honest man announce his stupidity. no matter how stupid the announcement may be
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Uriel on July 30, 2007, 12:28:09 AM
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Originally posted by jhookt
takes an honest man announce his stupidity. no matter how stupid the announcement may be


thank you,
for real though.. I thought I had a good idea how the game was played.. still learning, but damn I made it hard on myself not reading about trim and visability.. would not wish that on any new comer
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: DEMONSLAYER on July 30, 2007, 12:43:36 AM
i dont use self trim unless im in a turn fight with some 1. but durin a furball i use combat trim. ive never seen self trim really make a difference.
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Uriel on July 30, 2007, 12:56:11 AM
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Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
i dont use self trim unless im in a turn fight with some 1. but durin a furball i use combat trim. ive never seen self trim really make a difference.


I seemed to do okay.. I will take a FH or a VH or 2 hangers.. in one sortie, but it makes a difference in how accurate it is I think.. as far as visability goes.. previously I didnt see a tank above 500ft.. try to dive bomb with that handy cap
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Slash27 on July 30, 2007, 12:58:42 AM
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Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
i dont use self trim unless im in a turn fight with some 1. but durin a furball i use combat trim. ive never seen self trim really make a difference.


it does
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Post by: bj229r on July 30, 2007, 05:50:21 AM
he mentioned 'tanks'---nose was prolly comin up in dive
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Post by: Oldman731 on July 30, 2007, 06:31:41 AM
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Originally posted by jhookt
takes an honest man announce his stupidity. no matter how stupid the announcement may be

There is a class of people out here - I am a leader among them - who need basic information like this.  I appreciate Uriel's observations, and I'm sure there are others who do, too.

- oldman
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Post by: NHawk on July 30, 2007, 06:54:01 AM
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Originally posted by DEMONSLAYER
i dont use self trim unless im in a turn fight with some 1. but durin a furball i use combat trim. ive never seen self trim really make a difference.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most of us "old timers" are manually trimming our planes. I know I do. And it does make a difference.

To quote someone after a fight... "How'd you out turn a P51 in that 110 of yours?" :eek:
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: evenhaim on July 30, 2007, 07:02:16 AM
nhawk i do but its more like wtf freezy p51s cant outturn spits u hax:p
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Post by: Avaro on July 30, 2007, 07:04:33 AM
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Originally posted by evenhaim
nhawk i do but its more like wtf freezy p51s cant outturn spits u hax:p


No no! I belive its "wtfz 109k's can't outturn spits you haxor". :aok
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: NHawk on July 30, 2007, 07:08:27 AM
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Originally posted by evenhaim
nhawk i do but its more like wtf freezy p51s cant outturn spits u hax:p
LOL...I've gotten that too!

I always take it as a compliment when I'm accused of cheating. It means I did something they can't figure out. :)

Now, let's not tell them the other secret about manual trim. :t
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Post by: evenhaim on July 30, 2007, 07:10:50 AM
ohhhh the other secret shhh:O
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Post by: SlapShot on July 30, 2007, 08:08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Avaro
No no! I belive its "wtfz 109k's can't outturn spits you haxor". :aok


hmmm ... I have yet to find a 109 that will outturn a Spit ... go figure.
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Post by: Avaro on July 30, 2007, 08:17:25 AM
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Originally posted by SlapShot
hmmm ... I have yet to find a 109 that will outturn a Spit ... go figure.


:aok
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Post by: Avaro on July 30, 2007, 08:29:11 AM
That reminds me, Slap have you ever seen a 109 outturn and turn with a hurri2? Ask Lute and ghi!:aok
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Post by: SlapShot on July 30, 2007, 08:36:36 AM
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Originally posted by Avaro
That reminds me, Slap have you ever seen a 109 outturn and turn with a hurri2? Ask Lute and ghi!:aok


Not any Hurri2 that I have been in ...  ;)

The 109F-4 ... is the only 109 that can give Spits and Hurri's serious fits ... if flown by the right guy.
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Post by: dedalos on July 30, 2007, 11:15:58 AM
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Originally posted by Uriel
thank you,
for real though.. I thought I had a good idea how the game was played.. still learning, but damn I made it hard on myself not reading about trim and visability.. would not wish that on any new comer


Word of advice,

I gnore trim and fly with combat trim on.  Plaing with trim during a fight will take your attention away from it and get you killed.  The variables coming into play during a dog fight are so many that trim means nothing.
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Post by: dedalos on July 30, 2007, 11:18:14 AM
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Originally posted by Slash27
it does


Very very very small.  I lose many fights every day in the MA and DA.  Non because the other guy manually changed his trim
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Post by: pluck on July 30, 2007, 11:25:50 AM
I was always under the impression that trimmed played basically no role in your ability to turn an aircraft/improve turning.  It would matter the amount of deflection you have placed on the stick.  It may make a difference in your preference of you you get guns on target/make adjustments.  In some planes, leaving combat trim can be a burden, simply turning it off and setting to your liking is a solution...but i don't think changing it will influence how well you are fighting.  just my thoughts
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: dedalos on July 30, 2007, 11:35:20 AM
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Not any Hurri2 that I have been in ...  ;)

The 109F-4 ... is the only 109 that can give Spits and Hurri's serious fits ... if flown by the right guy.


People confuse killing a hurri or spit with out turning them.  A 109 should be able to eat the Hurri for breakfast, but not by out turning it.  I always make a couple of lazy turns to get them slow.  Then I can just play with them since the 109 is a better more powerfull plane and they always ask how did I out turn them.

I took down several 0s in a p40 last night.  That does not mean that a p40 out turns a 0
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: wooley on July 30, 2007, 12:12:18 PM
Generally speaking I'll use combat trim in a furball, but my fighter score sucks so what do I know.

Manual trim is essential in some aircraft to maintain and/or pull out of a dive. P38 pilots - for example -  seriously increase their number of visits to the tower by ignoring manual trim.
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: dedalos on July 30, 2007, 12:20:28 PM
The guy is new.  The game is complicated enough already.  He does not need to be messing with trim levels during a fight.  Just turn off the stall limiter.

How do you do it anyway?  You take your eyes off the bad guy to look at your speed in order to set the correct trim?  No right?  You just go full trim or nutral.  Thats as wrong as not changing it.
Title: Re: My Stupidity
Post by: Bosco123 on July 30, 2007, 12:24:31 PM
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Originally posted by Uriel
A good lesson for newbies. So.. how to begin?

I have been playing for 3 months.. and managed to get my attack score down to the 420's during this mid month.. then I tried to focus on fighter skills since Im horrible at dogfighting. Finally, I start reading all the instructions.

1. I have been flying way out of trim. I can not stress the importance.
2. I have not been using full visablity range.. doh! that was really dumb.

So I get my self in trim, and use full visability- and I take out three tanks in one flight..

LESSON LEARNED.. read the F****** intructions!

beware you tankers.. cause I got a jug full of woop oscar for ya.. see you out there ;)

Uri


four month player here and just figured out bombing last night it was not that easy for me fighting but I have turned to be a good pilot at this point in time with the spit16 and the jug whichve been fun


very glad I found this
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Yknurd on July 30, 2007, 12:26:35 PM
I wonder if he meant 'flaps' instead of 'trim'.
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Post by: jhookt on July 30, 2007, 12:48:03 PM
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Originally posted by Oldman731
There is a class of people out here - I am a leader among them - who need basic information like this.  I appreciate Uriel's observations, and I'm sure there are others who do, too.

- oldman



really? and what nuggets of wisdom did you garner from his post?
Title: My Stupidity
Post by: Kami on July 30, 2007, 05:52:32 PM
speaking of info for new people to this game.  Where on the trainers pages can you find where a re-arm pad is and how to use it, How to capture a base(c47, number of troops, and where to drop them), how much ord to use to take out an object, and what objects can really affect a field.

I've scoured the website and forums for questions like these to find the correct answers, some are not so easy if possible to find.  I know the answer to the above questions so don't bother answering, but sometimes when you are trying to help when you are new(which is real hard since you're not good at anything) and you are told "hey can someone drop troops on a16" and you do it once.  Then again... then you hear on vox "wtf someone dropped them in the wrong place again, stupid dweebs"  you realize how badly you want this kind of information readily available and not have to sit in the ta for 3 hrs. for one stupid question.