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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: VWE on July 30, 2007, 01:34:31 PM
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NAACP leaders urged public restraint Monday in judging Michael Vick before he has his day in court.
R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the Atlanta Falcons quarterback has been vilified by animal rights groups, talk radio and the news media and prematurely punished by his team and corporate sponsors.
"If Mr. Vick is guilty, he should pay for his crime, but to treat him as he is being treated now is also a crime," White said at a news conference. "Be restrained in your premature judgment until the legal process is completed."
Vick has pleaded not guilty to charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.
On Monday, Tony Taylor, a co-defendant in the case, pleaded guilty in Virginia to federal dogfighting conspiracy charges in a plea agreement with prosecutors. Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach and Quanis Phillips of Atlanta face similar charges and are scheduled for trial Nov. They remain free without bond.
Businesses have been quick to recoil. Nike suspended its lucrative contract with Vick and Reebok stopped sales of his No. 7 jersey. In addition, two trading car companies withdrew Vick items.
White plans to contact Vick to see what assistance the Atlanta NAACP chapter can offer. White predicted that public opinion may worsen in the wake of Taylor's plea deal.
Until then, he said he would keep an open mind and encouraged others to do the same.
Georgia NAACP President Edward Dubose thanked Vick for his community service and the money and excitement he has brought to Georgia as a Falcon. Dubose said Vick is being prosecuted in the court of public opinion before he has had a chance to defend himself.
"We're not condoning bad behavior, but Michael Vick is innocent until proven guilty," Dubose said.
Atlanta chapter member Bernadette Allen attended the news conference and also a rally Sunday to support Vick.
"The man is entitled to due process under the law, as is any citizen," Allen said
Yeah, lets show as much restraint as they showed in the Duke lacross case...
:huh
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R.L. White, president of the Atlanta chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
Now that is a great name for a chapter president of the NAACP.:eek:
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I bet a white guy sold him the dogs... it's not his fault.
lazs
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Michael Vick and his younger brother are model humans....Definately people that the African American community should look up 2.:O
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Boy, kill a few dogs and the world's heart bleeds. Abort & kill babies and life churns on.
Kinda odd to see where people find their sympathies.
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Vick aborted and killed babies as well?
shamus
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Originally posted by LePaul
Boy, kill a few dogs and the world's heart bleeds. Abort & kill babies and life churns on.
Kinda odd to see where people find their sympathies.
Is dey be dem whities babies?
How do you frikken stretch dog fights into aborted babies?
:rolleyes:
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have any of you posters attended a dog or cockfight?
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There's a cockfight in almost every one of these threads.
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Originally posted by storch
have any of you posters attended a dog or cockfight?
No...have you? If so...why?
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I certainly have. having attended both types of fights allows me the opportunity to opine on the topic.
they are legal throughout the caribbean, central and south america and the phillipines.
once again I say it's no one's business what a person does with their chattle.
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Yes Storch... but were not in the caribbean, central and south america or the phillipines
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bah that's just geography. the fact is that where there are people from these cultures there will be venues for these events irrespective of where those folks might live.
there is also a tradition of these fights all a cross the rural south. some of the best domestic fighting roosters come from arkansas IIRC. and yes they are fought there as well.
it's no one's business what a person does with their chattle.
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Originally posted by storch
once again I say it's no one's business what a person does with their chattle.
"chattle" is so 19th century. My business is whatever i make my business.
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look up the word if you don't understand it's meaning
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You still didn't answer the "why?" question. To bet? To enjoy watching animals rip each other apart?
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I think its chattel not chattle
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Originally posted by VWE
Yeah, lets show as much restraint as they showed in the Duke lacross case...
:huh
C'mon VWE, those where rich spoiled athletes while Vick is a poor ... uh... that is to say... well... uh... never mind.
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no I have no affinity for the activity but it doesn't bother me that it goes on. like I said it's none of my business. now if there were a couple of pink shorters........
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dig :rofl
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I think you are correct VWE it should be chattel
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Does having sex with animals...sorry chattel...bother you?
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Originally posted by Curval
Does having sex with animals...sorry chattel...bother you?
:rofl
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I just had an idea for a REALLY funny post in responce to the original artocle.
But unfortunately there is no way it would be allowed to stay LOL
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Originally posted by storch
I certainly have. having attended both types of fights allows me the opportunity to opine on the topic.
they are legal throughout the caribbean, central and south america and the phillipines.
once again I say it's no one's business what a person does with their chattle.
Yeah, what's a little thing like breaking the law anyway? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Rino
Yeah, what's a little thing like breaking the law anyway? :rolleyes:
it's not breaking the law in the dominican republic. but don't let the facts confuse you, carry on.
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Originally posted by Rino
Yeah, what's a little thing like breaking the law anyway? :rolleyes:
Isn't his point that he disagrees with the law?
-Sik
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Originally posted by Curval
Does having sex with animals...sorry chattel...bother you?
by no means. if that's what you prefer have at it. it's your chattel after all.
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Originally posted by storch
bah that's just geography. the fact is that where there are people from these cultures there will be venues for these events irrespective of where those folks might live.
there is also a tradition of these fights all a cross the rural south. some of the best domestic fighting roosters come from arkansas IIRC. and yes they are fought there as well.
it's no one's business what a person does with their chattle.
There was also a tradition of lynchings and churchbombings throughout the rural south too.
Should we have let that go too?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
There was alaso a tradition of lynchings and churchbombings throughout the rural south too.
Should we have let that go too?
Do you really think they are analogous?
-Sik
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you equate two dogs or roosters fighting with people murdering innocents? your values are somewhat askew pal.
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Originally posted by storch
by no means. if that's what you prefer have at it. it's your chattel after all.
Interesting. I think you'll find those same countries who simply continue to have antiquated laws (or lack thereof) with regard to animal fighting don't agree with you there...something about morality. I find that stance strange given the morality involved in breeding animals to kill each other for sport..but there you go. Life is weird.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Do you really think they are analogous?
-Sik
that would depend on ones point of view LOL
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Originally posted by storch
you equate two dogs or roosters fighting with people murdering innocents? your values are somewhat askew pal.
Not really.
whats wrong is wrong reguardless of tradition.
You think we should allow animal fighting simply because of tradition and Im the one with askewed values?
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Originally posted by Curval
Interesting. I think you'll find those same countries who simply continue to have antiquated laws (or lack thereof) with regard to animal fighting don't agree with you there...something about morality. I find that stance strange given the morality involved in breeding animals to kill each other for sport..but there you go. Life is weird.
did you get arrested? were you blackmailed? :D
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Not really.
whats wrong is wrong reguardless of tradition.
You think we should allow animal fighting simply because of tradition and Im the one with askewed values?
have you ever killed and dressed one of your own meals?
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It's not cheating if your spread peanut butter over your testicles and let your dog lick it off because "it's your dog"....
"But it's YOUR dog so it's not cheating"
HAHA
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Well he had a great supplier......
(http://www.ehowa.com/picture.html?image=thankstomichaelvick.jpg#)
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Didn't the NAAWP stand up for and support the Duke Lacrosse team?
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Originally posted by storch
have you ever killed and dressed one of your own meals?
Actually. No I havent
but thee isa bit of a difference between killing and eating what you kill as food and forcing animals to rib each other to shreds for morbid entertainment
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What Vick should be executed for is this:link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12468203/)
Elliott, a 26-year-old health care worker, claimed she tested positive for herpes after unprotected sex with Vick in April 2003. In the complaint, filed in Gwinnett County State Court, Elliott contended that Vick “apologized profusely” for failing to disclose he was infected with the disease, which can be treated but not cured.
Had she been a friend or family of mine I'd have hunted him down and kilt him:mad:
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Did I miss something in the original article? Was there something unreasonable in there?
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Did I miss something in the original article? Was there something unreasonable in there?
-Sik
Just the usual racist hypocritical B.S. drivel from the NAACP. I guess that went right over your head.
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I have no issue with the NAACP's position. I am on the record elsewhere with my own reminder that one is innocent until proven guilty....and don't give me any crap about certainty, and "this is federal" and "these days they wouldn't charge you unless you were guilty". We don't abandon the constitution in this country.
Now, I salute the NAACP for its position in this case. I also salute the same position they took in the Duke Lacross case......
They did, didn't they?
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Originally posted by bj229r
What Vick should be executed for is this:link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12468203/)
Had she been a friend or family of mine I'd have hunted him down and kilt him:mad:
Wasn't that the famous Ron Mexico reference?
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Originally posted by cav58d
It's not cheating if your spread peanut butter over your testicles and let your dog lick it off because "it's your dog"....
"But it's YOUR dog so it's not cheating"
HAHA
Odd how these forums bring out confessions........
:rofl
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Originally posted by TalonX
Wasn't that the famous Ron Mexico reference?
yup
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Just the usual racist hypocritical B.S. drivel from the NAACP. I guess that went right over your head.
So there's nothing inherently wrong with the merits, you just don't like the existence of the NAACP? Interesting.
[edit] Having re-read the article again I think you're right. I DID miss the racist hypocritical B.S. drivel. Can you point it out to me?
-Sik
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
There was also a tradition of lynchings and churchbombings throughout the rural south too.
Should we have let that go too?
Actually we did for over 100 years after the Civil War ended.... and still occurs to this day in some places. opps.
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Originally posted by bj229r
What Vick should be executed for is this:link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12468203/)
Had she been a friend or family of mine I'd have hunted him down and kilt him:mad:
Why?
With over 80% of the population contracting herpies at some point in their lives. Odds are if you havent had them. You will.
Odds are you probably already have had them and didnt know about it as often they tend to clear up on their own.
Me
I dont know if I have had them.
Dont know if I havent.
But its not anything that keeps me awake at night LOL
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Originally posted by Sikboy
So there's nothing inherently wrong with the merits, you just don't like the existence of the NAACP? Interesting.
[edit] Having re-read the article again I think you're right. I DID miss the racist hypocritical B.S. drivel. Can you point it out to me?
-Sik
I dont like the existence of the NAACP because it is in itself a racist organization.
And will remain so until such a time when it is changed to NAAAP
National Association for the Advancement of All People
OR
NAAUP
National Association for the Advancement of Underprivileged People
So long as it remains an association dedicated to only 1 race of people it will be nothing more then a racist organization
Imagine the outrage that would be raised if they came out with a NAAWP
National Association for the advancement of White People.
There would be protests galore and riots outside the headquarters.
Sorry you cant have it both ways
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Originally posted by Sikboy
So there's nothing inherently wrong with the merits, you just don't like the existence of the NAACP? Interesting.
[edit] Having re-read the article again I think you're right. I DID miss the racist hypocritical B.S. drivel. Can you point it out to me?
-Sik
The NAACP is hypocritical in that they were very qucik to condemn the Duke Lacrosse players only later calling for a gag order when it became apparent that the "victim" was of very questionable integrity and moral character.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Actually we did for over 100 years after the Civil War ended.... and still occurs to this day in some places. opps.
Post CW is what I meant
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Is the guy guilty? Man I hate how people are in such a hurry to see others crash and burn.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Boy, kill a few dogs and the world's heart bleeds. Abort & kill babies and life churns on.
Kinda odd to see where people find their sympathies.
Wow...any opening to push a agenda.
Don't know why this surprises anyone: 3,600+ servicemen die in Iraq and it's "bring them home now". Little mention of the 1,000+ contractors killed there as well. And the 100,000+ killed in Darfur? tsk....too bad... sounds terrible... what else is on tv. Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and Kosova. Post-holocausts "Never Again"....riiigghhhtttt.
The value people put on lives, human or animal, is not logical or on a level playing field. Always has been that way.
abortion? Want to end the common practice, then support sex ed, family planning, and supporting safe sex. But, the majority (or at least those leading) in the pro life group only support two items: abstinence or women as baby-factories.
As to the lives of animals? Stewards of the Earth or some such, no? A domesticated animal living among humans is generally totally dependent on said humans through its entire life.
I've met very few dogs I'd wish harm to, but I've met or seen many men whom I wished would come to a swift and sudden end for the good of the species and society.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
I've met very few dogs I'd wish harm to, but I've met or seen many men whom I wished would come to a swift and sudden end for the good of the species and society.
:lol
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ted:
I've just found the reactions and comments educational. The NAACP stance is predictable, as is the closet emptying of any skeletons the man has.
But the stance so many have taken due to the nature of the crimes, the cruel treatment of animals...and the outage over it are interesting.
I wasn't trying to push any agendas, just thinking aloud at what offends people and what they are fine with.
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First thing that occurred to me was that the liberals were confounded: On one side, ya got a black man being stomped on by the man, and on the other side ya have furry animals being slaughtered......whatever is a good commie-lib to do?
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the irony didn't escape me and it's going to be funny to watch it play out. I think that ultimately the liberals will side against the human being in favor of the animals. they hate themselves and the rest of humanity by extension.
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lol
Storch...lazs is the big slammer of liberals around here. You come off as a cheap copy-cat when you talk about liberals.
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yes curval.. but it is a large shadow to try to get out from ...
He is right about liberals... they are more concerned with fuzzy bunnies than with people but...
I don't believe it is right to torture animals. it is immoral. I would not allow it in my presence. I realize that other countries do it. I can't do anything about that and would simply avoid it. I have been to dog fights in the US in the bad old days. Lot's of bikers raised fighting dogs. By the time they fought.. the dogs were worthless and should have got a bullet in the brain anyway tho.
And I have killed my own meat. I don't know of any hunter that doesn't want to kill as cleanly and as mercifully as possible.
You must also realize that nature is cruel. A death for an animal in the wild is almost always as bad as the fights we are talking about. That does not excuse us from doing it tho.
As for the NAACP.. it is indeed a racist organization dedicated to the seperation and inequality of the races.
lazs
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Originally posted by AKIron
The NAACP is hypocritical in that they were very qucik to condemn the Duke Lacrosse players only later calling for a gag order when it became apparent that the "victim" was of very questionable integrity and moral character.
To be honest, I have no idea what the NAACP had to say in the Duke Lacrosse debacle... was the victim black?
Anyhow, I really couldn't give two ****s about the NAACP. They're about as corrupt and ****ed up as any other special interest grou. So **** 'em. I agree that they are racist, and hypocritical, and spew a lot of drivel... But not in that particular story. It's not as if they came out and implied that Vick was being prosecuted simply because he was black (though I'm sure someone out there is saying that).
This thread reminds me of the big troll where Mav and I first went head to head... This thread really needs Elfenwolf :) [singing] Mehmmmmmmrooorieeeees light to corners of my mind....
-Sik
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Originally posted by Sikboy
To be honest, I have no idea what the NAACP had to say in the Duke Lacrosse debacle... was the victim black?
Anyhow, I really couldn't give two ****s about the NAACP. They're about as corrupt and ****ed up as any other special interest grou. So **** 'em. I agree that they are racist, and hypocritical, and spew a lot of drivel... But not in that particular story. It's not as if they came out and implied that Vick was being prosecuted simply because he was black (though I'm sure someone out there is saying that).
This thread reminds me of the big troll where Mav and I first went head to head... This thread really needs Elfenwolf :) [singing] Mehmmmmmmrooorieeeees light to corners of my mind....
-Sik
Well, here's what we're saying about the NAACP: There WAS NO VICTIM in the Duke Lacrosse case. At least, no victim besides the Duke Lacrosse team. The whole thing was a lie, perpetrated by some psychologically warped black "stripper". There never was ANY evidence she had anything other than consensual sex, and not with any of the Duke players either, but with a 1/2 dozen male acquaintances not even remotely related to Duke or the Lacrosse team. However, the NAACP came out and demanded heavy handed prosecution to the fullest. So the D.A., Mike Nifong, ignored all the evidence exonerating the Duke team, and further, went so far as to illegally withhold said exculpatory evidence from the defense. The NAACP, after convicting the Duke Lacrosse team in the media, has never offered ANY apology or retraction.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Well, here's what we're saying about the NAACP: There WAS NO VICTIM in the Duke Lacrosse case. At least, no victim besides the Duke Lacrosse team. The whole thing was a lie, perpetrated by some psychologically warped black "stripper". There never was ANY evidence she had anything other than consensual sex, and not with any of the Duke players either, but with a 1/2 dozen male acquaintances not even remotely related to Duke or the Lacrosse team. However, the NAACP came out and demanded heavy handed prosecution to the fullest. So the D.A., Mike Nifong, ignored all the evidence exonerating the Duke team, and further, went so far as to illegally withhold said exculpatory evidence from the defense. The NAACP, after convicting the Duke Lacrosse team in the media, has never offered ANY apology or retraction.
Gotcha. OK, I'm on board now. Sorry, I had no idea that there was a Racial issue to the Duke Lacrosse case, nor that the NAACP had any stand on it. If that's the case... hahaha. The original report in the thread is almost pure comedy.
-Sik
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BTW, does anyone have a dunce cap I can wear for my participation in this thread?
-Sik