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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: TequilaChaser on July 31, 2007, 02:26:52 PM
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I got some free time to up the other night and fly a few sorties in the AvsA arena.....with the Pacific planeset setup......
maha came in and also Oldman, SSmokin & I thnk TCFKas..
anyhow.Oldman was just getting into a 1 vs 1 with TCFKas and I saw another bogey coming in from the North..
it was a some what fast Ki84......
the rest is in the linked film below:
AvsA July 29th2007 maha in a Ki84 vs TC in a F4U-1 10 +/- minute fight (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/AvsAjuly29th2007_mahaKi84vsTCf4u1_10minutefight.ahf)
this has to be one of the longest drawn out dogfights in a 1 vs 1 situation I have ever been in....it was intense , exhilirating and overall pure enjoyment.this is what this game is all about, when one goes looking for a true dogfight...
hope it is as much enjoyable to watch for everyone as it was for me to actually have the chance to participate in this fight with maha......
~SALUTE~ maha for the fantastic fight..........this one was a keeper
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dang... got to wait to watch it at home :mad:
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That was a great fight! One of the best I have ever seen. :)
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Did it have a happy ending?
:D
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Originally posted by daddog
That was a great fight! One of the best I have ever seen. :)
Because you were not there to mess it up :rofl
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:lol You still tweeked about last night? :cry
Relax dedalos. I bag you maybe one in ten times and you spaz out every time. Your a much better stick than I am, but last night you made a mistake (in our second encounter) and I capitalized on it. It actually showed me how hot you were to get me. You need to relax. Breath in, breath out. :cool:
If you don't like the way I play then I am sorry. I am not going to change it for you or anyone else. :)
Tell you what. We can duel, you can shoot me down 5 out of 5 times and you will feel better I am sure. :aok
As I said an amazing film TC. Really enjoyed it.
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Originally posted by daddog
If you don't like the way I play then I am sorry. I am not going to change it for you or anyone else. :)
Don't! Actually I would not have said anything if it was not for your lame excuses. Just say I pick and its all I can do, and I'm fine with it. Its the lame excuses coming afterwards including the before me saing anything. It was not about last night. It is about every single time. I don't care about killing you or you killing me. I care about spoiling a fun fight that had been going on for minutes. Last time you did that there were only 3 of us in the AvA. You felt it necesary to auger going for a pick instead of waiting 30 seconds and having a fight.
Tell you what. We can duel, you can shoot me down 5 out of 5 times and you will feel better I am sure. :aok
Could not care less. I dont think it is worth the 10 seconds it will take.
As I said an amazing film TC. Really enjoyed it.
So, to understand my point. Answer honestly this question. Had you been in the area when those two were fighting, would that 'amaizing' fight had take place? Be honest. I can tell you if it was me I would not jump in even if one of them asked for help.
This is why that place is empty. If I want to be in the MA I can go there. The reason I go to the AvA is because there supposed to be some respect of the fights. When 6 guys are on, cherry picking really stands out. When three guys are on, it is just pathetic.
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Nice fight.
Two immediate questions-
First, where is the huge blast shield that makes vis out of the cockpit so impossible?
Second, is that flight model right? It seemed like you were pulling some impossible moves, eg. pulling vertical at about 100 mph, and in fact, I saw your airspeed hit 37 at one point. It was in the 50-75 range alot. Even with full flaps, with the plane inverted and at 40 mph I would expect you to be stalling right out of the sky. The flaps shouldn't be giving you lift inverted, right?
That's a fight I could never have had, because I would never get my plane that slow. Or, rather, I would never be able to maintain control, let alone maneuver, that slow...especially in an F4U.
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Originally posted by toonces3
Nice fight.
Two immediate questions-
First, where is the huge blast shield that makes vis out of the cockpit so impossible?
Second, is that flight model right? It seemed like you were pulling some impossible moves, eg. pulling vertical at about 100 mph, and in fact, I saw your airspeed hit 37 at one point. It was in the 50-75 range alot. Even with full flaps, with the plane inverted and at 40 mph I would expect you to be stalling right out of the sky. The flaps shouldn't be giving you lift inverted, right?
That's a fight I could never have had, because I would never get my plane that slow. Or, rather, I would never be able to maintain control, let alone maneuver, that slow...especially in an F4U.
F4Us have been changed Toons. They used to be flying bathtabs. Then one of the patches changed them and they are now better TNBs than a spitfire. I did not watch the movie yet but I have seen them do impossible things with their gear down. It seems that when at full flaps or gear down the antigravity engine engages.
Correction: I have seen them and I have done impossible things in them
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Well, I can't hear the stall horn on the tape, and I don't see the shaking on the video, so I can't judget the 'level' of stall throughout the fight. I'd guess that the stall horn was basically on for about half that fight.
You should watch the tape. I have no idea what the flight model of a real F4U is. But, just watching the speed at which TC pulls some of those moves seems impossible.
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Ded,
I am one who is known to not drop my F4U gear, maybe once in a blue moon I might do it......
toonces3,
I do not understand the following question:
First, where is the huge blast shield that makes vis out of the cockpit so impossible?
are you refering to the site glass / for the gunsite?
*NOTE* I do not recommend flying like this, and find that one should fly their desired plane type in its best flight performance envelope ( instantaneous turn(ie...corner velocity) to its best sustained turn rate.....flying way to fast or way to slow is not adviseable......it might be fun(IT IS FUN ) but it is not the proper way to do it.....
as for the flying at very slow speeds, the F4U is as capable of flying this slow when in a rolling scissors or going pure vertical ( think prop hang ), as are alot of the other planes in Aces High...... The P38, the C202, the P51 B & D, the P47D11/25, the bf109G2/F4, the Ki84/Ki61........
Also, toonces, in the Aircraft & vehicles forum, there is a thread that Raptor started, regarding P38 vs F4U flaps and stuff ( not sure of name of thread but Raptor posted it )
Raptor was in a fight with AKDogg, dogg in the F4U Raptor in a 38, and he asked a question about control at slow speed.....I posted as well as AKDogg posted, about using the Torque of the F4U's engine to help assist when rolling the plane.....this really does help the F4U get around its axis, even reducing throttle and then gunning throttle to produce an immediate thrust/torque roll to help assit one's maneuvering when in a slow dogfight......
as you questioned above just now, ( I did a preview and saw your next post ), the stall horn was coming in/on at certian times at about a medium low volume to medium volume tone....and if there is any screen shake/buffeting it should be minimal to nil....I try to not get into the buffeting if I can help it at all. I did not look for this when I reviewed the film , but will go back and look for it now, since you mentioned it/asked about it
I would really like to know if maha had his film going during this fight, and if so would like to see it from his cockpit view ( the film viewer does not show the oppoents instruments/gauge readings ) all we see from my film is his speeds in the right hand column and externally we can view his flap settings/aileron input / rudder input..but no throttle control, etc......
actually, I had 2 or 3 fights with maha before this particular fight and by the time this fight was about 2 or 3 minutes into it, I was really forcing/pushing to hard to get the angles..I over correct, snaproll it, stall it out and regain control a few numerous times, because I was pushing to hard......
the Ki84 thread in the help & Training section has a film/post by Widewing..and in his post he mentions how easy it is to get the ki84 to do "tail slides"... well, people might wonder why would you want to do a tail slide, or any acrobatic type maneuver in a game that deals more with dogfighting/ACM/BFM etc... well.you should learn your plane thoroughly, learn how far you can push the envelope, ride the edge, and still keep control, and how to recover QUICKLY if you step over that edge......
you posted:
That's a fight I could never have had, because I would never get my plane that slow. Or, rather, I would never be able to maintain control, let alone maneuver, that slow...especially in an F4U
my answer to that is, never say never, keep at it, and you will get there, just don't give up and settle for anything less then your absolute best ;)
my take on the F4U variants is that regardless if people think they are wonder planes since HTC changed some settings or if they were bathtubs before HTC made some changes. I find the plane to fly just the same as it did when it was introduced to the game back in what was it 2000?
I made a lot of mistakes in this film..mistakes I should not have made, simply because I did not keep my mind clear and pushed for a guns solution causing me to lose ground, or give up angles..angles that I had gained back from being behind on to begin with......
I loved the fight, I loved the fact we went nose to nose a good bit of times and we had enough respect not to fire on each other......
The F4U was stalling at the 37 mph mark, it stalled and I recovered.....and at times I snaprolled it and over controlled my rolls alot....
but I am not going to take away from an absolutely fun fight in which maha outflew me and won..........
and I would pay double the subscription cost if I knew I could get a fight like this out of every 20 sorties......
in any case, thanx daddog & toonces3 glad someone enjoyed the fight....
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Ded,
I am one who is known to not drop my F4U gear, maybe once in a blue moon I might do it......
Did not say you did. All I am saing is that F4Us have been changed to fly like spitfires and that they do do some impossible things. Thats is why I fly them vs 0s and Spit16s.
In any case. Since the new look, or a patch right before the new looks, F4Us are a completly different plane. Not saing is wrong or right. Just saing they are not the old F4Us
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ah , no problem, ded......
I just asumed, whic, in itself gets people in to trouble sometimes :)
as for the F4U's.....I seriously do not see any difference in the flight model before or after......
I only noticed some small difference in the speeds at which I trimmed out at in the old version were a bit slower, than the speeds I trim out at in the latest 2 version updates / patches with the reskinned F4U .......
the rest still seems the same....
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So, to understand my point. Answer honestly this question. Had you been in the area when those two were fighting, would that 'amaizing' fight had take place? Be honest. I can tell you if it was me I would not jump in even if one of them asked for help.
If one of them asked for help yes I would have jumped in.
Just say I pick and its all I can do, and I'm fine with it.
I pick and it is all I can do. Now that I know your fine with it I never want to hear your whines again. :cool:
Phew, I am glad that is over. Yeee hawwww! :D
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Tequila Chaser,
I was trying to be funny referring to the rear and up view in most of the F4U's I've tried. There's an armor? shield that makes any 6 view horrid. I've tried zooming out and to a side with moderate success, but your F4U seems to be missing it entirely.
What model was it? I haven't flown that -4 or C model...
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the F4U-1.......
oh yes, I get ya now, I hate the new updated version of the armor plate thingy majig you a referencing too.......
it sure doesn't look like that when sitting in a real life F4U and looking back.....see if I can dig up a picture for proof.......I think it is overmodeled for sure ( speaking of the armor shield plate being overmodeled of course ) :D
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Originally posted by daddog
If one of them asked for help yes I would have jumped in.
I pick and it is all I can do. Now that I know your fine with it I never want to hear your whines again. :cool:
Phew, I am glad that is over. Yeee hawwww! :D
As the guy said. He did not ask for help.
As for your picking, just dont text me with the lamest of excuses and you wont hear a thing from me.
So, what is the answer to my question? Be honest :rofl Would that fight ever happen? It is very simple (Yes / No) :rofl
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If TC did not ask for help, you bet, I might have jumped right in and ruined that great fight. :) Though over the past few months I tend to ask more than not. Kinda like the other night when I picked you. ;) I asked.
I pick and that is all I can do. :cool: :p
Unless.... someone zooms up in a fit of anger and leaves themselves wide open without e and starts to flop back to the earth. I can get em then too. :D
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dedalos,
You seem to have a lot of anger pent up, both in game and on the BBS. Not sure why this is, maybe you're just an angry person. I don't know you, so I can't say, however, when you go after daddog, who is not only a very good pile-it but a fair competitor in all respects, you're showing that your anger is pretty indiscriminate and you are obviously not having fun in the game.
Pick your battles more carefully when you start bashing people, man, you're just making the AvA and the game in a larger sense a drag for others. OTOH, maybe that's what you like to do, I don't know, but I do know that you act ugly and un-civil in the game and pretty much here as well.
Lighten up, Francis.
(http://deadasadoornail.com/deadpeople/1d578da49e38936bc3fa5ce5ca6Warren-Oates.jpg)
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Originally posted by scottydawg
who is not only a very good pile-it but a fair competitor in all respects, you're showing that your anger is pretty indiscriminate and you are obviously not having fun in the game.
Not true. He actually sucks and he is not a fair competitor. I do have fun plaing the game until someone like him shows up to ruin it. I did not make anything up. I talk from experience
Pick your battles more carefully when you start bashing people, man, you're just making the AvA and the game in a larger sense a drag for others. OTOH, maybe that's what you like to do, I don't know,
Translation, don't pick fights with my squad mates? Who else did I pick a fight with? I did not start bud. i just responded to his repeated lame excuses.
but I do know that you act ugly and un-civil in the game and pretty much here as well.
Oh really? Check again bud
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Originally posted by daddog
If TC did not ask for help, you bet, I might have jumped right in and ruined that great fight. :)
Thank you!
Though over the past few months I tend to ask more than not. Kinda like the other night when I picked you. ;) I asked.
Well, that is irelevant. For one thing the guy said that he did not ask for help. However, ifwe are to beleave that the AvA is that special place were the fights are respected, it makes no difference if he asked for help or not. There are plenty of pickers in there. Very rearly I say something to them. However, when a so called 'vet' does it and then hides behind some lame excuses, he may get a responce. I really did not say mach to you. I just asked you if it was fun. You dont like being called a cherry picker, don't cherry pick. If you do, expect to be called that. Not the worst thing that can happen to ya is it?
Now tell the dogs that you can atlist argue 1 vs 1 and you dont need their help :p
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I watched the film TC - great fighting by both of you. :aok.
Cheers,
asw
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dedalos
Yeah, you're right, I should have stayed out, daddog can fight his own battles... apologies for jumping your case.
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Originally posted by toonces3
Well, I can't hear the stall horn on the tape, and I don't see the shaking on the video, so I can't judget the 'level' of stall throughout the fight. I'd guess that the stall horn was basically on for about half that fight.
You should watch the tape. I have no idea what the flight model of a real F4U is. But, just watching the speed at which TC pulls some of those moves seems impossible.
This is IMHO a huge problem with the film viewer, no stall horn, I wish they would fix it. Also when you join as an observer you don't get the horn OR the gun sounds.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
This is IMHO a huge problem with the film viewer, no stall horn, I wish they would fix it. Also when you join as an observer you don't get the horn OR the gun sounds.
Or tracers
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or a drink holder :mad:
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
or a drink holder :mad:
Or an ashtray.
Man, I just got pwned by skuzzy in that help plz thread. I'm having verbal diarrhea today.
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holy !#% dude... I think you need to grab a sheep ;)
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Or an ashtray.
Man, I just got pwned by skuzzy in that help plz thread. I'm having verbal diarrhea today.
He's got his enforcer hat on today, we're all getting what's coming to us.;)
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Originally posted by Shifty
He's got his enforcer hat on today, we're all getting what's coming to us.;)
Yeah I totally deserved it. That kid was way out of line, but I shoulda left it alone.
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I knew I shouldn't have thrown out the skuzzy signal last night :D
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
holy !#% dude... I think you need to grab a sheep ;)
I would not touch them. There is something strange about them. I emptied a panzer into them last night and they did not even blink. Why are they that strange brown color?
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Yeah I totally deserved it. That kid was way out of line, but I shoulda left it alone.
It's hard to take somedays. The twin mustang post in the Wishlist section nearly put me over today. Septembers coming man. :aok
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Yeah, good old kenny, he's a source of constant entertainment.
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sometimes I think it would be nice if they had arenas and sections of this board that were closed to under 19 or at least invite only.
Ded were they Bish sheep? I hear they've been doing some genetic research trying to convert their wool to C4 and trying to train them to walk into enemy hangers and self destruct ;)
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Ded were they Bish sheep? I hear they've been doing some genetic research trying to convert their wool to C4 and trying to train them to walk into enemy hangers and self destruct ;)
Not sure. They had a green clover on top a JG on one side and a 54 on the other. I have no idea what it means :confused:
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ooooohhhhhhhhh :noid
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Don't worry about me dogma. :)
Well, that is irelevant. For one thing the guy said that he did not ask for help. However, ifwe are to beleave that the AvA is that special place were the fights are respected, it makes no difference if he asked for help or not. There are plenty of pickers in there. Very rearly I say something to them. However, when a so called 'vet' does it and then hides behind some lame excuses, he may get a responce. I really did not say mach to you. I just asked you if it was fun. You dont like being called a cherry picker, don't cherry pick. If you do, expect to be called that. Not the worst thing that can happen to ya is it?
I asked him if he wanted help. He said something to the effect of "Jump in if you want". I wanted to. I jumped in. I picked you. :D You can call me a cherry picker. I don't care. In fact you can call me what ever you want. I don't care. I am not excusing anything. I fly how every I want and care zero about what you think. What I find funny is you still do care even after you said in this very thread once I admitted to it, (that I pick) you would be fine with it. Here we are with you still worked up about it and whining. :furious
I will not post any more in this thread as I think it would be better for you to start your own thread about my picking if you want to continue the discussion.
Just remember I pick and that is all I can do. And your fine with it. :p
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Originally posted by daddog
I asked him if he wanted help. He said something to the effect of "Jump in if you want". I wanted to. I jumped in. I picked you. :D
Thank you :rofl Turns out he was not asking for help after all eh?
You can call me a cherry picker. I don't care. In fact you can call me what ever you want. I don't care. I am not excusing anything. I fly how every I want and care zero about what you think.
Hehe, I did call you what ever I wanted, and will do that again. Feels good now that I have your permision to.
What I find funny is you still do care even after you said in this very thread once I admitted to it, (that I pick) you would be fine with it. Here we are with you still worked up about it and whining. :furious
Not worked up at all bud. However, I will respond to anything you write to me. 200 or here. Remember, I said nothing until you did. Don't get mad if you don't like the responces.
I will not post any more in this thread as I think it would be better for you to start your own thread about my picking if you want to continue the discussion.
Smart. I really don't see what more you would have to add to this
Just remember I pick and that is all I can do. And your fine with it. :p
Yep, but I will respond to you lame comments. keep that in mind. Now, do you care to prove me wrong? :rofl
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I don't know, but I do know that you act ugly and un-civil in the game and pretty much here as well.
I have to disagree. I spent two hours of give and take dueling with Dedalos the other evening and he was a perfect gentleman. Polite, friendly and utterly fair. Just the kind of guy I'd be very happy to spend an evening flying with or against.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I have to disagree. I spent two hours of give and take dueling with Dedalos the other evening and he was a perfect gentleman. Polite, friendly and utterly fair. Just the kind of guy I'd be very happy to spend an evening flying with or against.
My regards,
Widewing
I apologized for my comments a little further down the page.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I apologized for my comments a little further down the page.
Thanks WW.
No need to Scotty. People can argue about things. They can call some names too. Calling someone a cherry picker for example is not the end of the world (I ve heard wors lol). Thats part of the game. I play BBall. We always end up having some kind of argument and words exchanged with my friends. When the game is over we all go drinking and the trash talk continues. Same here, and same goes for dadog. I would have a beer with him we ever met and I would tell him that cherry pickers buy the first round :D
The game is just that, the game. It does not go beyond that. I would have jumped in for my friends too (cept the two tards Jaxxoff and his manfriend Hub)
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In my vast amount of experience with online communities I've always found it best that if one person has an issue with another person it's always best to take it to pm's. Not pointing a finger at you Ded.
Generally when you are called out publicly you're immediately on the defensive whereas a behind the scenes discussion of differences of opinion generally at leaves the parties agreeing to disagree.
If I have an issue with someone I'll pm them and have, in fact, numerous times in the year I've been a part of this community had behind the scenes conversations with people that I initially thought 'jerk' but found out that they were allright people with a slightly different view from mine of what's okay and what's not.
No big I'd just hate to see this forum or the arena denegrate into some of the stuff I see in other forums or other message boards.
Of course that's just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
In my vast amount of experience with online communities I've always found it best that if one person has an issue with another person it's always best to take it to pm's. Not pointing a finger at you Ded.
Generally when you are called out publicly you're immediately on the defensive whereas a behind the scenes discussion of differences of opinion generally at leaves the parties agreeing to disagree.
If I have an issue with someone I'll pm them and have, in fact, numerous times in the year I've been a part of this community had behind the scenes conversations with people that I initially thought 'jerk' but found out that they were allright people with a slightly different view from mine of what's okay and what's not.
No big I'd just hate to see this forum or the arena denegrate into some of the stuff I see in other forums or other message boards.
Of course that's just my opinion.
Look at my first post in this thread. No problems to talk about. Just a joke.
You tell me who went after who in this thread
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Like I said ded not directed at you. You and I have had our discussion and I have no issue with you. You're certainly not on my 'hang em out to dry' list. Just throwing something out there for people to think about in the future. Not that everybody or anybody will listen to my opinions.
I think I'll just go back to being the class clown now :D
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Just watched film. a great fight, nice flying by both of you. I also find it hard to believe that the F4U-1 could have performed like that in RL. but maybe, I don't know. I do know this, the KI-84 in AH weighs in at about 7600# with 50% fuel. The f4U-1 is about 11500# with 50% fuel. But watching that video, the f4 looks like it weighs less than the KI.
The KI-84 is one of my main rides, I consider myself better than average in it. what I see from it in the film, looks about right. I know when you get it slow and full flaps, it is an incredible turner.
I also noticed that the Ki was flying a larger cork screw around the F4, while the F4 seemed to generally be flying slower and in a tighter pattern. I also see at one point the f4 is at 34MPH, with it's nose slightly high and upside down. I live in Alaska, and have flown several different types of small AC. I would doubt that a Super cub (PA-12) could preform like that, with out stalling out and falling a couple hundred feet. And it only weighs about 1500#
Just some of my thoughts.
:aok
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Originally posted by SLED
Just watched film. a great fight, nice flying by both of you. I also find it hard to believe that the F4U-1 could have performed like that in RL. but maybe, I don't know.
I also noticed that the Ki was flying a larger cork screw around the F4, while the F4 seemed to generally be flying slower and in a tighter pattern. I also see at one point the f4 is at 34MPH, with it's nose slightly high and upside down. I live in Alaska, and have flown several different types of small AC. I would doubt that a Super cub (PA-12) could preform like that, with out stalling out and falling a couple hundred feet. And it only weighs about 1500#
think about it for a minute or 2, at the times I am inverted regardless if the nose is pointed upward or downward, I was infact stalling, and I was also dropping back down toward the ground and losing alt, if you are tempted to watch it again, think about it, youo can see the alt loss, and you can also see me at times over correcting and trying to retain controlled flight and not actually snapping it into a spinf of death...
thats was one reason I titled this thread the way I did.......
I still will tell people this is not how to fly the F4U or even fly the Ki84 for that matter...... I could have just as easily flown more to the F4U-s abilitys and stayed fast and hoped to get maha somewhere in the 200 to 250 range of speed, highly doubtful though from some of the things I have seen maha do in the 15 to 20 run-ins we have encountered.... one of the reasons I got this slow in the first place was to try and figure out who maha used to be known by his / her other gameid......
I am still not buying into the fact that maha claims maha has only been here less than 6 months and flew IL-2 and WB before.......:D
Sled, I was stalling, I was dropping and losing alt, I just was able ( barely ) to keep and sometimes lose but quickly regain control of the plane.....and again it is fun to get into this long drawn out in close fights where both are fighting hard to refuse a shot for the other player yet gain a shot for yourself :aok
I might have mentioned it before, but one thing I like to do or use to do often is to see how far I can get a plane to tail slide ( climb per vertical and get to "0" on the mph gauge and then let it slide down as if thrown in Reverse, or climb pure vertical and as u are coming down in a tail slide stomp the rudder and let the air slapping that big rudder snap the nose around in a blink of an eye..... when flying slow like that you get to a point where gravity takes over and you just fall, learning to do a controlled fall and regain flight is part of learning what you can accomplish in these "cartoon planes"
actually had a pretty good one against Slash27 the other night, he didn't fall for the scissors at all and worked me in the vertical.the fight wasn't as drawn out, but never the less it was much enjoyable.....I lost that fight too .hehe
but slash and I both really enjoyed "the fight" itself moe than the outcome or more than who won or lose...
~SALUTE~
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The film viewer doesn't do Justis to what you were having to do to keep control. But it is all I have to look at, and from what I see your f4 was quite controlled even at very low speeds. I am guessing it was not so.
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No offence to anyone but the F4Us are redicilus. There is a reason a lot of people have switched to flying them (SkyRock, SHawk, Dedalos, etc). In AH1 I realy sucked however, F4Us were always a welcome sight since it meant that I would actually get a kill. Now I pay more attention to them thatn I do to spits and 0s. The new F4Us are performing like a SpitV / spit 16 hybrid (- the exceleration) sometimes. Yeah, I know TC you have not noticed any changes :p
The Ki has one big problem when you get into a really slow fight with an F4U or anything else for that matter. As you are rolling, the Ki picks up enough speed on the way down for the flaps to autoretract. That is enough for the F4U to get the kill on it.
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Yes throttle work is very important in the Ki-84.
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I got a pm asking for this film to be reposted, since the new updated film viewer allows you to hear your own engine and see more stuff going on in the film.....
will see if I can dig the film up and re-post it......
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Any luck with this?
I was watching a film in another thread with the new viewer and it makes a huge difference.
I'd really like to see that fight again in the enhanced version.
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Originally posted by toonces3
Any luck with this?
I was watching a film in another thread with the new viewer and it makes a huge difference.
I'd really like to see that fight again in the enhanced version.
will see if I can get that AH flying friend of mine to host it for me again toonces
EDIT: ok Toonces3 and the others who have PM'ed me, the original Link to the film is working on the very 1st post of this thread.......
hope you enjoy it.......
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Thanks.
Very intense fight.
Boy do I have a long way to go.
I must have watched that 20 times from all different viewpoints and still don't see how either of you did some of that stuff.
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TC:
I was impressed over and over not just with your control precision (which has intimidated me forever) but especially with your PATIENCE. So many times I would have pulled just a scootch harder for the shot, when you knew the shot just wasnt there...and I would have gone over the envelope's edge into disaster. (In fact, I do that quite often!) Over and over the temptation was there, where the shot was just barely out of reach...but you listened to the feel of the plane and stayed out of trouble.
Totally impressive from both of you. A real pleasure to see two great sticks go at it! Thanks for posting!
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Sorry for the bump (yes I know I suck) but I was linked here from another thread, and was wondering, TC, do you still have the film that you could upload again?
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Dude...I would love to see this film, buuuuutttttt....... link doesn't work. Anybody already have it and could PLEASE send it my way :rolleyes:
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Did it have a happy ending?
:D
Link seems broken... get a CANNOT FIND PAGE error :cry
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Sorry for the bump (yes I know I suck) but I was linked here from another thread, and was wondering, TC, do you still have the film that you could upload again?
Heya Donkey,
I'll check and see if batfink or Badboy still have it..........and if one of them could re-host it for me again......if not I still have it on my old pc..........will post here when it is up on the web for download.......
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Heya Donkey,
I'll check and see if batfink or Badboy still have it..........and if one of them could re-host it for me again......if not I still have it on my old pc..........will post here when it is up on the web for download.......
here is the new link to the file/film you asked to see Donkey ( others ) this link will not go dead, for I have loaded it into my personal FTP space on the Trainers website/ftp site
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/tc/AvsAjuly29th2007_mahaKi84vsTCf4u1_10minutefight.ahf
hope it might be of value to someone, or at least be enjoyable to watch
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Extremely enjoyable to watch. Had to be the longest rolling scissors i have seen to date. :aok
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Wow!