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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Rich46yo on July 31, 2007, 07:12:44 PM
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Is this thing as big a piece of garbage as both of mine are? Ive had a re-occurring problem of the stick swinging the plane around when I go to gun in my bombers. What happens is I switch from plane to gun, track with the gun, and for some reason swinging the stick around on the enemy also bounces the planeup,down,left,right, and its impossible for me to track and defend myself. I just flew 40 minutes to a refinery and couldnt fight off two bogies because of my bouncing bomber.
I thought I had the problem corrected by increasing the dampen, or dead zone, or whatever. I flew for 40 mins swinging the guns around with no problem, but for some reason when an actual enemy approaches this problem crops up. Now I'm thinking its more then just the stick. Why would it happen only when an enemy approaches.
I go into controls/map controller and stabilize it and it crops up again and again. I'll be frank I dont even feel like flying anymore because of this. Thanks for any help.
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Just a question, did you increase the deadband of your Z axis? Because that's the rudder you seem to move unintentionally while gunning.
And the reason it only happens when an enemy approaching is most probably because you are moving your stick faster and more sudden when gunning in the heat of a fight. Your sticks characteristics can't change just because there is some enemy icon on screen.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Just a question, did you increase the deadband of your Z axis? Because that's the rudder you seem to move unintentionally while gunning.
And the reason it only happens when an enemy approaching is most probably because you are moving your stick faster and more sudden when gunning in the heat of a fight. Your sticks characteristics can't change just because there is some enemy icon on screen.
First off thanks for the response. Yes I increased the deadband of my Z axis as well. Ive tried everything, I even tried shuting the fan off thinking that little air flow might be causing it.
It just happened again. I took off in an A-20 and enroute to my attack I swung the #2 gun around harder then I ever would in combat with no problems, then as soon as I got into the mix the same damn thing happened. I dont know what to do. Its 1944hrs here now and Im going into the training section to try and figure this out. If anyone is in there maybe they can help.
At this stage I simply cant fight in the game and will never improve.
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I has one...works great.
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I just did a kamakazi over an airfield in a B-26, didnt even bring bombs. Everything worked great until combat and then the airplanes and the guns swerved all over the place. The bottom line is there is a bug somewhere that is maing the stick control both the guns and airplane whenever Im attacked. It amazing Ive shot anyone down at all. After an attack like this I'll go into controls and the X & Z, mostly X will be jumping around. I'll recalibrate and everything will be fine until the next time it counts.
Im so disgusted right now. I cant even join a squad.
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Yep, thats what happens. Everything works fine until I get an enemy in red coming at me and then everything goes haywire. Is it normal for a bomber on auto pilot to swerve like that when a gunner has an enemy inbound? The only good thing I can say is the airplanes swerve so much they make a harder target. Tho in the end I almost always lose.
Is this a AH bug?
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try a powered usb hub for stability
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It is your system for sure, if it wasn't you would see hundreds of complaints about it here.
As to a fix, I'm thinking that during your "testing" with out enemies around your very deliberate with your movements, but when an enemy is around your a nervous wreck and yanking that thing all over the place to get the kill.
First, get a powered USB hub. The extra power used only for those things plugged into the hub stabilizes joystick great.
Second, in the joystick set-up, set up a third "mode" (mode 1 is for planes, mode 2 is GVs) Make the third mode accessable by a hot key on the stick, or keyboard, and in this third mode set it up just like the first, but don't use the "z" axis. This way you can't add rudder while using your stick to gun. Just be sure to switch back to mode 1 when you jump back into the pilots seat :D
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
It is your system for sure, if it wasn't you would see hundreds of complaints about it here.
As to a fix, I'm thinking that during your "testing" with out enemies around your very deliberate with your movements, but when an enemy is around your a nervous wreck and yanking that thing all over the place to get the kill.
First, get a powered USB hub. The extra power used only for those things plugged into the hub stabilizes joystick great.
Second, in the joystick set-up, set up a third "mode" (mode 1 is for planes, mode 2 is GVs) Make the third mode accessible by a hot key on the stick, or keyboard, and in this third mode set it up just like the first, but don't use the "z" axis. This way you can't add rudder while using your stick to gun. Just be sure to switch back to mode 1 when you jump back into the pilots seat :D
Its not my system. First off the system was entirely trouble free before I joined AH, or bought the stick, or both. And since it only happens when actual enemies attack me, and are in my gunner sights, why would the system cause that?
I dont get that nervous in real gunfights so why would I in a computer game? Im 49yo why would anyone doubt all this is happening exactly as I said it is?
I have a USB hub. No good.
I tried the third mode. No good. And there is no way I can jump to and fro like that. It wouldnt work anyway. Its a AH bug. No doubt about it. Unless its common for bombers to jump around like that when enemy planes are coming in. Im right in using "X" for auto pilot right? Or shift X to climb. Its even worse when I have two drones, man those 3 planes are bouncing all over the place.
I just got murdered again in a B-26 and a 110.
Thanks for the replies.
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Don't get so defensive. I've been flying this game for years and have flown 1000's of hours in bombers and have NEVER had this happen. If it was a bug, more than just you would have this problem and there would be tons of posts. This is why I say it has to be something in your system.
I suggested the couple of things I could think of. Twisty sticks are notorious for having rudder input when you don't even think your doing it. Dead bands and damping settings are tricky and tough to set up some times. This the "most likely" problem your having. With out coming over and checking your system out personally, all we can do it give you things to try.
USB hubs are great, but not to throw you over the edge, is it a powered hub? Powered hub have their own power plug, much like the one on your printer cord. A regular hub isn't going to help because if your loosing power to your stick (marginally) a non-powered hub won't help boost it.
Another thing you could try is to disable the "Z" axis all together and fly your bombers into enemy territory. If you don't get the bouncing around while in a fight then, you know its a setting on your system.
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I think we need a full rundown of your system.
List the specs here, and the first 1/3 of the DX dialog as well.
Could be it only happens when red icons are in sight because of a major lag or resources issue, also (unrelated to the stick)
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My apologies. I meant nothing and do appreciate your help. I agree it would be an awfully strange bug in the game for it to only affect me. On the other hand why would this problem only occur when a bogie is IB, in the sights, and even then only when they go red?
I did a search and I'm not the only one whos been affected by it. There have been a few others bothered by touchy sticks in gunner mode, tho I seem to be the only one that it affects when a bogey goes red.
Again, thanks for your help. And apologies again for sounding snippy. Its just like your the fifth guy who said I'm maybe getting to excited behind the stick. I'm gratefull for your input.
Originally posted by The Fugitive
Don't get so defensive. I've been flying this game for years and have flown 1000's of hours in bombers and have NEVER had this happen. If it was a bug, more than just you would have this problem and there would be tons of posts. This is why I say it has to be something in your system.
I suggested the couple of things I could think of. Twisty sticks are notorious for having rudder input when you don't even think your doing it. Dead bands and damping settings are tricky and tough to set up some times. This the "most likely" problem your having. With out coming over and checking your system out personally, all we can do it give you things to try.
USB hubs are great, but not to throw you over the edge, is it a powered hub? Powered hub have their own power plug, much like the one on your printer cord. A regular hub isn't going to help because if your loosing power to your stick (marginally) a non-powered hub won't help boost it.
Another thing you could try is to disable the "Z" axis all together and fly your bombers into enemy territory. If you don't get the bouncing around while in a fight then, you know its a setting on your system.
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Its an Intel dual core/1.80 GHz with 2 gigs RAM running 32 bit Vista with a Radeon X1550/dual monitors. Its a cheaper Power Spec computer but its fairly brand new. I actually didn't buy it for gaming but for general computing, in fact I didn't optimize for gaming as well. But its a fairly robust system and the reason I didn't hone down resources for AH is because other then the "bogey in the red" issue the game has run very well.
Thats an interesting theory. I have my video settings in the game set for unlimited frames, hardware vertex checked, optomize objects/terrain, and 1024 X 768, textures unchecked. ASctually when I check my DX system, DX-10, Im showing 1485 MB used out of 2829 MB page file. I have all accelerations enabled.
Thanks for the help.
Originally posted by Krusty
I think we need a full rundown of your system.
List the specs here, and the first 1/3 of the DX dialog as well.
Could be it only happens when red icons are in sight because of a major lag or resources issue, also (unrelated to the stick)
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How do you connect to the internet?
Does the con warp around, or just you?
Are your frames per second smooth while this happens, or do you also get the stutters/jitters?
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Originally posted by Krusty
How do you connect to the internet?
Does the con warp around, or just you?
Are your frames per second smooth while this happens, or do you also get the stutters/jitters?
I have the puter plugged into a Wireless N router. It is not itself wireless, I just have my sons computer on thw wireless network.
Ive only had video stutters on one occasion for about 1 second , and that during heavy AH log on usage. Otherwise the video has been fine.
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And this doesn't happen in fighters without turrets?
Try something for me... Go to the controls mapper. Map the Z axis (rudder) to NOTHING. That is to say, unmap it and leave it that way.
Use ASD on keyboard for rudder just temporarily. Take off, get in the guns and fly to the nearest red con.
See if it still happens with the rudder axis unmapped.
It's possible that the stick is the culprit (but I don't think so). However, if this still happens with the entire Z axis UNMAPPED then we know it's not the stick. Process of elimination.
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Originally posted by Krusty
And this doesn't happen in fighters without turrets?
Try something for me... Go to the controls mapper. Map the Z axis (rudder) to NOTHING. That is to say, unmap it and leave it that way.
Use ASD on keyboard for rudder just temporarily. Take off, get in the guns and fly to the nearest red con.
See if it still happens with the rudder axis unmapped.
It's possible that the stick is the culprit (but I don't think so). However, if this still happens with the entire Z axis UNMAPPED then we know it's not the stick. Process of elimination.
Thanks for staying with me Krust. Ive tried mapping it to nothing and I was unable to fly the aircraft. The keyboard just dont cut it, which is why we buy sticks. I had a nice Lanc flight last night and the guns were a bit better , or seemed to be. What kills me is when I have to go top right to low left/top left to low right when gunning. I was able to at least fight off a 109 and get the bomber home, after incinerating a refinery, "my favorite BTW".:D I love the smell of gasoline in the morning.
While I'm trying to figure this out I'm adjusting my tactics and doing more slithering about, out of radar range and up high. I must be hitting something cause I can fly the AR 234, and feel almost invulnerable in it. I really hate doing more suicide runs to test guns. My personal style is to avoid a fight and just take out targets. I once had a mission so long my Lanc ran out of gas on IB with a full tank loaded.
I deadened my Z even more and when I get into an unavoidable fight I'll test it then and letya know.
And thank you to all who have tried to help me with this......................... .bombrich
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You say you were unable to fly the plane... Does that mean you never got into combat to see if the problem persisted? Or does that mean you STILL had the problem (despite no rudder) while having no rudder?
If you never got far enough to test it...
Unmap the Z axis totally, then go to flight settings and enable "auto takeoff" so you don't need it there. Then once in the air you can get about (passably) without rudder.
Keyboard doesn't cut it, no, but it will do for a test sortie or three.
Note you can also lock the tail wheel by pulling back on the stick halfway while on the ground (helps a great deal keeping the plane straight without rudder)
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Im happy to say all appears better now. I took some Lancs on a long, long end around "45 mins in the air" to hit a refinery and got jumped by a 109. The guns seemed to swing better since I installed the new drive and deadened my Z even more. I got shot up, but this time I just plain got outflown. Besides the Lanc sucks defensively.
Is it common for the little airplane in the clipboard to change directions when you go to a gun? I think all is a little better now. Tomorrow is another day.
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Yes the airplane on the map with change to the dirrection your looking while in the gun positions.
By increasing the dead band or damping your removing the rudder from your twisty stick. Like its been said, even a bit of movment in the twist, while pulling the stick around will cause the problem you were having. The trick now will be getting the sliders adjusted so that you can be stable while gunning, but still have full use of your rudder input for flying.
Hooking up with a trainer in the training arena for 15 mins would go a long way in getting your stick set-up right, and increase your enjoyment in the game 10 fold.
Good luck
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Here's something you can do...
Map 2 keys in the keyboard map. Map "set stickset 1" and "set stickset2". Find some other commands you don't ever use and overwrite them.
Set up stickset 1 (in control mapper) as you want, make sure the rudder is mapped. You will need this most times for any non-bomber you fly, and may want it for takeoffs and landings.
Set stickset 2 to the same as stickset 1 (there's a "copy" command). Then UNMAP the Z axis.
When you jump to guns, hit the key you mapped for "Set stickset2"
When you go back to the cockpit, hit the key for "Set stickset1".
Overall I think it was that you were twisting your rudder when you were gunning, maybe. I don't know for sure without a film (P.S. do you have a film?). However, if this seems to help, it's a good walk-around until you find something better.
I use something similar, but not for the rudder, I use it to double the number of buttons on my joystick :D
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Thanks for the advice guys. Yes i should hook up with a trainer, Ive been trying to but my hours are all messed up. It appears the new Aviator driver I installed seems to be helping. Great advice on Alt R during a gunfight. Why didnt I think about that? Funny but this stick thing even happened when I was gunning for someone.
Larger deadzones make the aircraft less responsive right? That doesnt really bother me cause I fly bombers.
I need to spend more time in the training section. I just belly flopped a 234 and a whole lot of good missions were taken away from me.:(
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeess! I dumped this aviator and bought a X52. What a world of difference. I can now gun out of a stable platform.:D
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Originally posted by Rich46yo
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeess! I dumped this aviator and bought a X52. What a world of difference. I can now gun out of a stable platform.:D
.....and you thought it was a game bug ! :D