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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on August 02, 2007, 08:22:56 PM
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I couldn't help but notice your post at the end of Souless' rant thread:
Originally posted by Pyro:
Souless you need to tone it down. The irony is that you're melting down over something that I've already worked on for the next version.
I was wondering (read: hoping) if you might be able to tell us what you've worked on in regards to the Mossie.
Some of us would really like to know. :D
Thanks,
-Mossie fans.
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yup i saw that too. thanks for looking at it pyro. any chance of hearing what has been changed?
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I suspect that you'll have to wait for the details with the next update, which I think is not too far off (dont say 2weeks:O ). The skinners have already been receiving notification that their skins are under review. So something is in the wind.
Regards
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I'll be happy if the center of gravity's fixed.
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Oooh...yummy, Mossie without the baffles and a CG fix?
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Originally posted by FTJR
The skinners have already been receiving notification that their skins are under review. So something is in the wind.
Hi ftJR! :)
Isn't what you said due to the new release schedule for skins? Maybe it's just the new routine, not a sign.... (don't get me wrong, guys, I want the new version, too ;) )
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bump... :aok
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Most of you guys have been around long enough to know that HTC doesn't release ANY information about updates. Why torture yourselves with threads like this one?:huh
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Isn't what you said due to the new release schedule for skins? Maybe it's just the new routine, not a sign
Hi Gianlupo, thats a distinct possibility, we shall just have to wait and see. I am sure they've fixed the major faults in the Mossie, its the smaller details that will have to be seen.
Ciao
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Skin releases are much more frequent than they used to be. That's not related to game code updates. It's totally separate.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Most of you guys have been around long enough to know that HTC doesn't release ANY information about updates. Why torture yourselves with threads like this one?:huh
Because I've been around to know that they do release some info sometimes.
What they never release is "when" and I haven't asked that.
And if I don't get an answer, well, no matter.
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the fact that pyro responded is enough for me.
I behaved like a complete ass-hat in that thread and apologized for my actions.
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Originally posted by Souless
the fact that pyro responded is enough for me.
I behaved like a complete ass-hat in that thread and apologized for my actions.
agreed :aok :aok :aok.
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I come back top AH and the mossie is getting updated, nice!:)
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whats wrong with the mossie?
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Originally posted by Citabria
whats wrong with the mossie?
Flame dampeners/baffles, Center of Gravity complaints, and much conjecture in regards to the damage model are what I usually see posted.
Did I hear the Mosquito B.Mk XVI with drone options was being added?
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I don't care about flame dampers. The extra MPH won't help it much.
What will help LEAPS and BOUNDS is the damage model and the flip-stalling center of gravity. Fix those and it doesn't matter if the flame dampers are there or not!!
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Originally posted by Citabria
whats wrong with the mossie?
Bugs/issues:
1) Center of gravity is off
2) Overly flamable for a fully protected aircraft
3) Shares the twin engined aircraft's over vulnerability to pilot wounds.
Modeling wishes:
1) Most Mosquito VIs did not have flamedampers and as we don't have night nor exhaust glow in AH it would be preferable to have ejector stacks and the extra 10-15mph which, contrary to Krusty's comments, would help immensely. I speak as somebody who spent a great deal of time in it.
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I mean that, overall the mossie is fairly fast, but no speed demon. +10mph won't change that. It'd be nice (as would a +10 mph boost on the C2, or the P51, or the 109K), but it won't really affect the lethality of the plane itself.
The other bugs are the deal breakers. The top speed is a side dish :D
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Doesnt the 152 have something wrong with it too? I mean apart from the dated looks of the modeling.
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I'd say very much so, but that's for another thread :P
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Awesome news, glad to hear the Mossie is being looked at.
The biggest irritant to me is the "glass" crew stations and the weird CoG attributes.
Thx Pyro. :aok
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Moss and Ta 152 is not alone when it comes to bugs.
N1K2-J is missing its automatic flaps:noid
Over 1000 N1K2s were produced. Nevertheless, had numerous difficulties stemming from very complicated landing gear mechanism and poor visibility for landing and takeoff. Modified version, N1K2-J, first flew 31 Dec 43. Only wing, engine, and armament of its predecessor remained. Most noteworthy mod was lowering of wing to lower fuselage level to shorten and simplify landing gear and improve forward visibility. Much simpler airframe could be built in half the man hours of its predecessor. Was immediately accepted and ordered into production, but only about 415 produced. Potentially one of the best Japanese fighters, able to hold its own against F6F and F4U. Maneuverability, boosted by automatic combat flaps activated by mercury manometer that measured angle of attack, almost unbelievable. Unreliable engine remained a problem. "George" encountered by Allies on all fronts from May 44. At Okinawa, was also used as a Kamikaze.
http://www.aviation-history.com/garber/vg-bldg/kawanishi_N1K2-2_f.html
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1k3, you've been asking for it times and times again... I doubt you'll have it. It's not a bug, it's a modeling choice. Besides, it wouldn't change much in the plane performance, a good pilot doesn't need autoflaps (believe me, I saw that flying the N1K in Pacific Fighter).
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That's like saying Bf 109s and Lavochkin La 5/7 don't need slats to be modeled in AH.
Poor excuse there bud.
Originally posted by Gianlupo
1k3, you've been asking for it times and times again... I doubt you'll have it. It's not a bug, it's a modeling choice. Besides, it wouldn't change much in the plane performance, a good pilot doesn't need autoflaps (believe me, I saw that flying the N1K in Pacific Fighter).
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Originally posted by 1K3
That's like saying Bf 109s and Lavochkin La 5/7 don't need slats to be modeled in AH.
Poor excuse there bud.
Not at all. You have flaps. You just have to hit the button, you lazy man! :D
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Ik3, all you know is one part of the design. With a plane whose landing gear failed, and whose engine was unreliable, what makes you think the "auto flaps" worked?
What makes you think it was USED? What makes you think it didn't have a cutoff that the pilots used to manually use flaps?
You can't just parrot that "it had this" -- especially on a plane that had several key components that failed -- without finding out the historical use for it.
109Ks had outer gear doors (that covered the wheels fully) but they were removed almost as a rule. So you see, just because it HAS something doesn't show how that something was USED (if used at all).
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Krusty,
Reports are that it worked and worked very well. Pilots were under orders to destroy the system rather than let the US get it.
It is not nearly as big an issue as FM errors. It is a systems modeling choice.
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Originally posted by 1K3
...stuff...
Is the N1K2J a new version of the mossy? I must have missed it in the "Big book O' Mossies" ;)
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Originally posted by Karnak
Krusty,
Reports are that it worked and worked very well. Pilots were under orders to destroy the system rather than let the US get it.
It is not nearly as big an issue as FM errors. It is a systems modeling choice.
Thanks for the info, Karnak! Personally I'm the type that wants absolute control of my 3D plane, so I'd want it "off" even if it was modeled. :aok
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Is the N1K2J a new version of the mossy? I must have missed it in the "Big book O' Mossies" ;)
Mossie is not alone. There's also problems with other cartoon planes that have not transitioned to AH 2 standards.
N1K2-J:
- Lacks automatic flaps.
- Rolls too slow even at slow speeds. it should roll 82 deg/sec at 240 mph.
Me 110C-4b
- The worst performing fighter in the Battle of Britain. In AH it OUTPERFORMS the spit 1 and hurricane 1 with ease.
- The C-4b was fitted with DB 601Ba engines, only ~22 Bf 110Cs were fitted with this engine. HTC should delete the "b" on the Me 110C-4b and de-rate the engine from DB 601Ba to DB 601B.
- Bf 110F should be added.
Ta 152H
- way too many to lists
P-40E
- This version did not have WEP. WEP only showed up on later versions of P-40.
Typhoon
- It's too fast in AH and climbs too slow in AH
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/typhoon/typhoon-level-ft.jpg)
(http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/typhoon/typhoon-climb-ft.jpg)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/typhoonspd.gif)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahhelp/models/charts/typhoonclmb.gif)
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Hmm get yer head out of your butt bud
only problem with the typhoon is the wing design.
it could not dive at high speeds as it is now its a rocket.
The mossie desperately needed a fm fix as well as a speed and damage fix
i suggest you read some good material
As well as the ta 152 please post something relevent dont say to many things to list
this just precludes you have no idea as to what your talking about.
list it with relevant data next time not something you viewed on the history channel
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Originally posted by Krusty
I don't care about flame dampers. The extra MPH won't help it much.
What will help LEAPS and BOUNDS is the damage model and the flip-stalling center of gravity. Fix those and it doesn't matter if the flame dampers are there or not!!
As per usual you have no idea geez man stop posting unless u actually know something
so sad
Do us all a favour and stop posting on anything you have no idea what your talking about.
Your futile attempt to dicipher german on the scenario forums and now this idiotic statement makes me believe all you do is post for the sake of posting.
Do me a favour fly the mossie for several tours then talk to me untill then please refrain from these sort of comments.
This is almost as sad as you chiming in on how the 38 vs K4 flies.
Several 38 sticks and good ones ones told you to hush up yet it doesnt seem to sink in.
Stop posting on subjects you have no idea about
Not trying to be rude to you but your making yourself look foolish again
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Originally posted by Karnak
It is not nearly as big an issue as FM errors. It is a systems modeling choice.
Precisely, Karnak, that's the point I was trying to make. The roll thing 1K3 pointed out above may be (if true) an issue to fix.
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Krusty is correct. The speed increase will be alot less valuable than the other fixes.
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Originally posted by Souless
As per usual you have no idea geez man stop posting unless u actually know something
so sad
Do us all a favour and stop posting on anything you have no idea what your talking about.
Your futile attempt to dicipher german on the scenario forums and now this idiotic statement makes me believe all you do is post for the sake of posting.
Do me a favour fly the mossie for several tours then talk to me untill then please refrain from these sort of comments.
This is almost as sad as you chiming in on how the 38 vs K4 flies.
Several 38 sticks and good ones ones told you to hush up yet it doesnt seem to sink in.
Stop posting on subjects you have no idea about
Not trying to be rude to you but your making yourself look foolish again
Sorry, but I am completely with Krusty here.
Increasing speed a few mph is not worth anything if our Mossie keeps tumbling down to earth the way it does now. That's the biggest issue by far. If the CoG problem is fixed, our Mossie will almost be a complete different ride, regardless of speed increase.
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10-15 mph on the deck is quite an increase, it would definitelyu make a difference. dunno what you guys are on about.
the FM is the major problem of course, but the mossie should be faster.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
10-15 mph on the deck is quite an increase, it would definitelyu make a difference. dunno what you guys are on about.
the FM is the major problem of course, but the mossie should be faster.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be faster, nor that a speed increase would make no difference.
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mossy should hang with pony as far as speed goes
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Originally posted by Krusty
I mean that, overall the mossie is fairly fast, but no speed demon. +10mph won't change that. It'd be nice (as would a +10 mph boost on the C2, or the P51, or the 109K), but it won't really affect the lethality of the plane itself.
The other bugs are the deal breakers. The top speed is a side dish :D
Krusty, and all other speed-naysayers, you're forgetting there's more to Aces High than the main arenas. In the AvA, SEA, and in CT, it will make a huge difference having an extra 10-15mph when flying against _SAME PERIOD AIRCRAFT_ from the Luftwaffe.
Specially if they fix the COG and other small fm tweaks. Might make me want to take the skeeter up more often. :)
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Ignoring souless' blatant personal attack (highly uncalled for, by any standard) I thank those that stood up for me against him.
Fork: I haven't neglected the historic setup aspect of it. Even as-is, it's very fast compared to contemporary craft. It already pretty much matches the top speed of the 190a5 and 109g6 below 10k. Most setups it can get through no problems as-is. Souless has been harping about top speed thinking it's the end-all, be-all answer. Now he attacks me for saying "it's not!"
Why it's not the end-all, be-all, cry for the mossie:
Well you'd only GET that top speed for 5 minutes (vs. 10 for LW planes)...
You can almost never GET to top speed unless you're in a dive, and if you're in a dive you're going over top speed anyways (so it doesn't matter +/-15mph, you're still doing +50 over your normal top speed)
You can't get away because all it takes is a dive from the enemy to get you while you're trying to get to your top speed (or you dive away, see the point above). Otherwise if it's a stalemate you pull ahead for 3 minutes, run out of wep, then get overtaken for 7 more minutes.
So yes Souless, top speed changes the speed a plane flies at in level flight. Duhhhh.. Have an "Obvious" award! :aok
It doesn't change the combat of that craft. It's either diving, or being dove upon, in both cases top speed is negated by dive speed. If you're not going to get away at N, you're not going to get away at N+15.
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Actually the Fw190A-5 is....10-15mph faster than the Mosquito right now. :p
And I've had plenty of Bf109G-6s and G-2s run me down in a long tailchase on the deck.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Actually the Fw190A-5 is....10-15mph faster than the Mosquito right now. :p
Just going by a quick glance at DokGonzo's page. It's close enough that a few MPH really won't make too much of a difference. A 20-minute chase means the guy behind you is determined to get you. In such a case a few MPH won't matter because he'll still chase you for 20 minutes :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
A 20-minute chase means the guy behind you is determined to get you. In such a case a few MPH won't matter because he'll still chase you for 20 minutes :D
If it's taking a bandit 20 minutes to catch you in a tail chase, he must only be closing at a few MPH. In that case 5-10 MPH would make a significant difference. Either the 20 minute chase would turn in to a much longer chase (running him out of gas or making it to a friendly base) or he wouldn't close at all.
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krusty, i hate to disagree with you, but that 15 mph is a very big difference.
look at the diffferent between the spit1 and the la7 for example. it's only a gap of what, 70mph or something? that isn't much, but the spit has no chance of catching an lgay at all. 15 mph otd in a plane is a big difference
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What i belive Krusty is saying is that an improvement in FM and bugfixing is MORE important than the speed increase and i agree 100%.
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Yes, Nilsen, that is what Krusty meant.
What I can understand, though, it's why are you all arguing about which fix is more important. If HTC is fixing the mossie, I'm pretty sure that they will fix anything about it, not only 1 thing or the other!
So, stop arguing and begin counting with me:
14 days...
13 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds...
13 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, 58 seconds....
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Well Souless jumped pretty hard on Krusty for NO good reason at all and that is what got me started.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Krusty, and all other speed-naysayers
None of us are speed nay-sayers. Nobody says that speed as such doesn't matter. The speed problem just pales when compared with the FM problem.