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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Snubby on August 04, 2007, 06:47:51 PM
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or is it just limited to H2H..
ive been playing AH (on and off) for many years and only once have seen any sort of overt hacking/cheating.. that being in the MA where a P51 was dropping dozens of 4000lb bombs (im sure others remember that)..
but now just today in 2 different H2H rooms I saw 2 similar incidents.. 1 being a spitfire firing over 20 rockets in a salvo, and the other being an F4U dropping HUNDREDS of bombs..
got the f4 on film of anyone wants to see.
how long has this been going on? are the correct people aware of this?
but mainly.. is this sort of thing happening in the MA?
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No, in H2H you can setup all sorts of wierd loadouts. you can have unlimited ammo.
The MA is totally different.
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Snubby, HTC or Skuzzy will say something to you about this, but the best thing to do, is NOT to post it here on the boards. E-mail HTC with it, and send the film. They will take the action.
Just posting what you did, Can do a lot of damage to them. If paying subscribers' think that the game can be hacked, they'll drop subscriptions(nobody likes to pay for a cheater to just kill them whenever.) They have a good reputation for keeping the game clean, It's one of they're best selling points.
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Originally posted by 4deck
No, in H2H you can setup all sorts of wierd loadouts. you can have unlimited ammo.
The MA is totally different.
you can only edit ammo amounds for guns.. not bombs or rockets..
this was not an arena setting, this was something else.
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I forsee a closed thread
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I forsee some banned domains/IP's in the near future..........
This is another reason why H2H should be permanently removed except for paying subscribers
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I think i've seen that newU. He was in one of my H2H rooms.
I saw that newU### dropping like 1000s of bombs on a base, I was in disbelief. I quickly ejected him after that incident:furious
I should've recorded that incidentm, but i forgot the command for recording (my bad)
Originally posted by Snubby
or is it just limited to H2H..
ive been playing AH (on and off) for many years and only once have seen any sort of overt hacking/cheating.. that being in the MA where a P51 was dropping dozens of 4000lb bombs (im sure others remember that)..
but now just today in 2 different H2H rooms I saw 2 similar incidents.. 1 being a spitfire firing over 20 rockets in a salvo, and the other being an F4U dropping HUNDREDS of bombs..
got the f4 on film of anyone wants to see.
how long has this been going on? are the correct people aware of this?
but mainly.. is this sort of thing happening in the MA?
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Like they say: You Get What You Pay For.......
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Like they say: You Get What You Pay For.......
Word.
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I wouldn't think a hack coded for h2h would be all that different from one for the Main Arenas. Difference is that the main arenas are policed much better. Also perhaps HTC uses support programs on their boxes to help w/ said policing.
Disclaimer: Also to any new subscribers I'd like to point out that this game seems to have the least amount of cheaters on it(so far none in my experience) of any game I've seen or heard of. HTC does a wonderful job of keeping this place clean.
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H2H is a good place with good pilots you just have to sort out all the bad apples first.
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:noid
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Why is it only new people think they see cheating?
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Originally posted by bj229r
Why is it only new people think they see cheating?
its the only reason they get killed :noid
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In on this one!
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Originally posted by bj229r
Why is it only new people think they see cheating?
ive been playing AH since it came into existance..
1 time ive seen cheating in the MA.. ever.. and it was delt with QUICK, this was a similar event, but as stated.. in H2H....
and I saw it in 2 different rooms in 1 day,which (for me) was cause for alarm.
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no need to post on forums about it though just send to htc
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Only ammuntion for guns are variable even in H2H.
If someone is dropping abnormal amounts of bombs or rockets, then (provided you've either caught it in a film or a screenshot to prove it) it can be considered a cheat.
As a matter of fact, a similar incident happened quite long time ago, where someone was seen dropping abnormal amounts of bombs - which HT reacted quickly to.
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However, Snubby, like others have mentioned, cheats or hack problems are to be dealt with directly to HTC staff, and not to be mentioned on boards. This thread will probably be locked off when Skuzzy sees it.
Send an E-mail to HTC. Try to include your film or screenshot of the event, and perhaps the roomname, the name of the alleged cheater, and time and date of the event. I'm sure HTC has some sort of internal logging system which records what is going on where - they'll review it, and if someone's caught doing something bad, he's gonna be banned from HTC servers.
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Originally posted by Snubby
or is it just limited to H2H..
ive been playing AH (on and off) for many years and only once have seen any sort of overt hacking/cheating.. that being in the MA where a P51 was dropping dozens of 4000lb bombs (im sure others remember that)..
but now just today in 2 different H2H rooms I saw 2 similar incidents.. 1 being a spitfire firing over 20 rockets in a salvo, and the other being an F4U dropping HUNDREDS of bombs..
got the f4 on film of anyone wants to see.
how long has this been going on? are the correct people aware of this?
but mainly.. is this sort of thing happening in the MA?
HOW MANY THREADS DO YOU GUYS NEED?!!!!!
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:lol I'd recommend an e mail or phone call to HTC on Monday. I guess you're just lucky you didn't post this in the H2H forums. If you did well.....the PNG stick is silent but deadly.
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Originally posted by Snubby
squeak squeak squeak hax0rz squeak
Uh, in?
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well ya know, i only posted it because I was concerned, thought maybe I had stumbled onto some sort of problem, because as I said I have never seen anything like this in 6xx years..
but if you want to ignore/downplay and or make fun.. fine, I was just trying to be helpful, no skin off my ass.
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You should always read the forum rules before posting (top sticky).
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
You should always read the forum rules before posting (top sticky).
Bingo :aok
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
You should always read the forum rules before posting (top sticky).
well i just did, didnt realist there was a rule about posting about cheating issues/allegations..
I would delete the thread if possable.. but I cannot.
but the rule makes sense I guess in retrospect.. if nobody says anything about it to the community, then nobody knows about it, and if nobody knows about it, its not happening..
kinda reminds me of a series of events that took place in the era this game is set.;)
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Oh, don't start something like that. Like you said, in regards of cheating this is one of the cleanest games there is. Just because you're starting to realize that you may have posted something against the rules and these guys are messing with you for it, be the better man and ignore them. No need to attack the game or HTC.
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did someone already mention IN
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INnteresting
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i have a film of a person in the MA.. a couple actually.. I sent it in.. the guy's account went away but now he is back w/ just another number at the end of his name.. I can't understand why he is back.. HTC does seem to act quick though.. As long as this game has been out, I would have to say it's by far the cleanest online game that I have known.. But nothing is perfect..
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ack-ack
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Originally posted by Snubby
well ya know, i only posted it because I was concerned, thought maybe I had stumbled onto some sort of problem, because as I said I have never seen anything like this in 6xx years..
but if you want to ignore/downplay and or make fun.. fine, I was just trying to be helpful, no skin off my ass.
Did you even bother searching the forums before posting this? If you seriously thought it was that big of deal (which it is) and you had an inkling that it might be happening in the MA, why wouldn't you do a search and see if someone else posted something about this? The stickies are there for a reason, not just you, but a lot of others as well, pay no attention to them, and then does something like this.. not trying to be a dik, just stating the obvious.
but the rule makes sense I guess in retrospect.. if nobody says anything about it to the community, then nobody knows about it, and if nobody knows about it, its not happening..
And to answer this one.. it's called mass hysteria. If people know about something, all of a sudden, they start seeing it too, and they just know for a fact that what they see is true. We've seen this happen over the last year or so with the warping/cable pulling accusations. Half the dam people who play this game has no clue what this is, or what it looks like, so now every time they see a warp its: "zOMG HE'S PULLING HIS CABLE".
Not to mention the community has nothing to do with what gets done with the game. Proven point would be how the game is turning out, yes we have some say, but HTC does what they see fit. Which is why they tell you to send them the film or accusation rather than coming here..
btw IN
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One more thing, this is why you should not be able to access these forums unless you have a valid account, H2H monkeys are starting to invade on those who pays' "ground"
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owned :D
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Yep, we're paying for their bandwidth usage and some of them have the audacity to think they're better then those of us who pay.
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
One more thing, this is why you should not be able to access these forums unless you have a valid account, H2H monkeys are starting to invade on those who pays' "ground"
So people who have never played and want to see what people in this game talk about won't be able to?
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People don't come to these forums brand new. They always play before they come here. And if that's the price to pay to keep you H2H panhandlers out of the forums for those of us who pay, so be it. But for those who do want to check out the forums b4 they play, let'em go to your H2H forums, since they aren't paying yet.
Bad thing is that statement just sounds like I'm just wanting H2H out cuz they don't pay, and thats not it.
Don't bring the H2H crapola here. There is a H2H forum, keep it there cuz honestly, we don't care what happens there. Those of us who have access to the REAL game, know and understand how things work in the game and on the forums. Obviously you guys don't. There's what, 3 different threads about the same thing?
HTC keeps a clean game, and until you actually get an account (besides your measly 2 week trial which isn't long enuff to establish any kind of know how about how the game or the staff works), you won't know that cuz you're stuck in H2H.
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
One more thing, this is why you should not be able to access these forums unless you have a valid account, H2H monkeys are starting to invade on those who pays' "ground"
NO that would be a terrible idea.
Many old customers keeps in touch with the development and the community via the BBS and like me return after awhile because you have kept in touch.
New players with 14 day accounts prolly also gets help and guidance from the BBS and unless you dont want to make new 14 day account players feel unwelcome then.. you know.
BBS and game must (IMO) be kept separate.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
This is another reason why H2H should be permanently removed except for paying subscribers
Originally posted by PK1Mw
One more thing, this is why you should not be able to access these forums unless you have a valid account
As I posted in the other thread, I may not pay, but I offer help to any NewU who will respond to me. That makes them more likely to continue playing the game and possibly move on to the main arena. I also do everything in my power to keep my server (which helps provide advertisement for the actual game) free of the kind of players who make this game unenjoyable for others. Lastly, I've provided quite a bit of word-of-mouth advertisement for the game; there's almost not a single forum I frequent on which I haven't made detailed explanations of why Aces High II is the best aerial combat simulator on the market, not to mention those I've made to all of my friends.
I also do as good of a job as any paying member at following the rules. So do many of the other "freeloaders," including respected hosts such as Croduh, 1K3, Merlin, Xena, and Pbdy. We may not pay, but it's quite wrong to say that we only take and give nothing back. We take nothing that is not offered, we are grateful for what we have, and we give back as much as we can. Don't insult us for that.
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just IN case.....
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IN before the lock.
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Originally posted by Snubby
well i just did, didnt realist there was a rule about posting about cheating issues/allegations..
I would delete the thread if possable.. but I cannot.
but the rule makes sense I guess in retrospect.. if nobody says anything about it to the community, then nobody knows about it, and if nobody knows about it, its not happening..
kinda reminds me of a series of events that took place in the era this game is set.;)
I can see what you'r e saying, but you're overlooking a couple important things.
The biggest issue is what happens when people start talking about cheeeting. Very quickly, guys start seeing hacks every time they get beat by better energy management, or by an overshoot that takes a while to learn. Every internet hiccup becomes a cable pulling incident. Its 99.9% unjustified, and it spoils the environment big time.
Secondly, posting takes attention away from the pathway that WORKS. If you have a film of an event where bad stuff REALLY happened, then HTC can crack the film open and watch what the program is doing. If results are coming in to the server that the program cannot generate, then HT will act like a SWAT team on a caffeine binge...and the offender will disappear forever, without a word being released to the community.
Believe me....I've sent the email myself, and seen the result.