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Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Redlegs on August 06, 2007, 07:14:48 PM
Some night fighters would be fun.

Mosquito NF Mk 30: High-alititude night-fighter version. Powered by two 1,710-hp (1275-kW) Roll-Royce Merlin 76 piston engines. It also carried early ECM equipment. 526 built.

Ju 88G-6 1750 PS Jumo 213A inline-V12 engines, enlarged fuel tanks and often one or two MG 151/20 cannons in a Schräge Musik installation

many Japanese ones Ki 45 and J1N to name a couple

and of course the P-61 Black Widow

didn't really do my research but like to hear your thoughts
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: titanic3 on August 06, 2007, 08:33:04 PM
we have a 110, all we need is just add night radar, fixed upward firing cannons and we're good to go. :aok
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Redlegs on August 06, 2007, 08:35:12 PM
the Ju88 was so versatile though so was the Mosquito
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on August 07, 2007, 03:38:02 AM
why have night fighters if we are not going to have night?
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: chase4 on August 07, 2007, 03:47:11 AM
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
why have night fighters if we are not going to have night?

he has a point ya know  :p :noid
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Krusty on August 07, 2007, 10:09:21 AM
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
why have night fighters if we are not going to have night?


In some cases night fighters were used in daytime also. It's an excuse for a plane with a massive amount of firepower in the nose, but generally reduced performance capabilities.


Even if we didn't have night, I think the following would be "fun" to see in-game:

Ju88C/G
He219
Beafighter
Ki46
110G w/ schrage muzik


Interestingly, all are twins, but that's just a coincidence.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Karnak on August 07, 2007, 10:47:11 AM
Mosquito 30s saw quite a bit of daylight service too.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: CAF001 on August 07, 2007, 03:08:59 PM
lets have the current Mosquito FIXED before we get another one eh?
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: C(Sea)Bass on August 07, 2007, 03:48:13 PM
O .....so these would be more planes for the noobs to HO me with.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Ack-Ack on August 07, 2007, 04:10:24 PM
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Originally posted by CAF001
lets have the current Mosquito FIXED before we get another one eh?


It has been and the fix will be pushed in the next update.  what was fixed has yet to be fully determined.

ack-ack
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Krusty on August 07, 2007, 04:11:13 PM
I wonder if they took the time to remodel it as well? Don't new aircraft usually coincide with remodeled aircraft? B-25 and Mossie at same time, perhaps?
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Iron_Cross on August 07, 2007, 06:16:21 PM
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
O .....so these would be more planes for the noobs to HO me with.


Hmmmm...let me think...YES!!!

Seriously if you can't avoid a N00B HO, and turn around and club them like a baby seal, then F***ing why do you play this game?
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: CAF001 on August 07, 2007, 06:52:45 PM
be polite, that was uncalled for :eek:
if you can't be civil don't post here.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: tedrbr on August 07, 2007, 09:16:59 PM
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
O .....so these would be more planes for the noobs to HO me with.

Yep.  All about the number of guns.  The lower performance numbers of night fighters, when compared to other fighters, all means very little to most night fighter advocates, since they are going to barrel straight in on you, gunz-a-blazin'.  

Of course, some others see them as bomber destroyers as well..... but if jumped, their best option will be to HO.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Krusty on August 07, 2007, 10:46:56 PM
And yet the 110G, relegated to the lowest job of all in the war, bomber destroyer, is quite nimble and one of the more lethal dogfighting planes in this game.

Not saying it's a spitfire, but with guns like that you don't need to ho, and you only need ONE shot.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: CAF51 on August 07, 2007, 11:12:34 PM
P 61 would be fun with the turret and all, nice fighter bomber with a little more defence
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: tedrbr on August 08, 2007, 11:01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Krusty
And yet the 110G, relegated to the lowest job of all in the war, bomber destroyer, is quite nimble and one of the more lethal dogfighting planes in this game.


And it's performance in the game seems to be far and above it's historical performance during the war where it was often outclassed by the single engine fighters it encountered over Europe.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Krusty on August 08, 2007, 11:44:49 AM
The way it was used in the BOB is drastically different from how it is used in AH. If a hurricane 1 gets behind it at 300 yards it's dead, just as in the BOB. Only most folks fly it to the point where they don't let that happen (or bug out if the hurricane is 1k out).


I agree it's a little over-modeled (as is the hurricane), but I think a lot of it is how the LW forced the 110s to fly close bomber formation historically, more than the way AH has it modeled.

EDIT: My point stands, it doesn't have to be a spitfire. Ta152 is about one of THE worst planes in the game, but still quite fun to fly for the guns package.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Karnak on August 08, 2007, 11:57:13 AM
110s got manhandled even when on fighter sweeps when unhampered by bombers.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Krusty on August 08, 2007, 12:05:13 PM
From memory, because the tactic of the time was to turn fight the enemy.

Most times I see the 110 winning an AH historical setup is by using its top speed, diving, zooming, and looping, rather than turning.


Like I said, I agree it's overmodeled, but I think most of the combat effectiveness is in how we (the players) use it.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: tedrbr on August 08, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
Ta152 is about one of THE worst planes in the game, but still quite fun to fly for the guns package.

Ta-152 would still be a good high altitude buff hunter for a pilot with some patience.  My problem with the Ta152 is it's "glass nose" --- 1 ping almost always results in an engine seizing up in short order.  Worse even than all the pilot wounds I pick up in Ki-84's.  

Ping....bang....then I only hear the wind as I now get to play with an over-armed sailplane.
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Ace8765 on August 09, 2007, 10:59:05 PM
what about the Me-210 and 410?
They were used as night fighters
Title: Night Fighters
Post by: Masherbrum on August 09, 2007, 11:03:24 PM
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
O .....so these would be more planes for the noobs to HO me with.
The current Mossie is so watered down, it is like Kool-Aid when compared to the Guinness it SHOULD BE.