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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: humble on August 07, 2007, 04:42:16 PM
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in a blurb on flying the A-20? I'm probably gonna park it back in the hanger and move on to the 38G next month (or 109E). All in all its a suprisingly good bird and much more capable then many think in an air to air role. I looked back and I'm 326-203 over May-Jul period. I'd say roughly 1/3 the deaths were structural failures....but even so thats a 1.6+ to 1. No clue how similiar the B-25 FM will be but some may be applicable.....
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With all the practise you've been doing, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you were smacking e/a like flies with the P-38G.
Good luck
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Any good write up on how to fly a particular planes is a good resource so you should write one up.
ack-ack
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I agree with Ack-ack go ahead and write it up.
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I agree too, any information, is better than no information. I've been watching a number of the films you posted in the A20. What I'd like to see is you write up atext to go along with a film or two.
What I mean is, in your films, you eventually get on the enemies 6 and get some shots at him.... Im proud my aim is about as good as yours :)... but, while you get there, is it because the enemy made a small mistake, or is it the line you took?
The A20 doesn't turn on a dime, so are your moves "planning ahead"? Like in a formular one race, instead of following a guy through a turn on the "preferred line", you take a later lineinto the turn, to hit a later apex, to come off the turn outside the guy in front of you to get possition going into the next, opposite turn to force him to the out side so you can make the pass.
So if you break down your film, "I did this here to keep him in my xxxxx view so that when he did xxxxx I'd be in a possition to do xxxxx" I think a write up like this would give others a better idea of what too look for, and why. Knowing ACMs is all well and fine, but knowing when, and how much to use is much better.
so could ya??? would ya???? uh? huh? please ??? :D
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I'll go ahead and put a draft together, in the meantime any particular film that stands out with regard to value for "play by play"?
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I would say the A-20 vs. the La-7 ... in which Snaphook flies the Havoc.
Many new pilots begin to fail and just skip to either the La-7 or the Spixteen and forget all about the good maneuvers there are out there. Putting some stuff together about the mentioned film should help new players learn to dodge the La horde and fly whatever they want.
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Originally posted by humble
I'm probably gonna park it back in the hanger and move on to the 38G next month (or 109E).
Go 38G!
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Here is a 1st draft. I'll add some screen shots/clips but this should be a pretty good overview. Thoughts, suggestions and/or anything that doesnt seem to make sense please notate for review....
flying the A-20 (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/A-20/A-20.docx)
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snap,
I know what a doc file is but what is a docx file? or is that a typo? waiting before i DL.....not that i am worried or anything hehe
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Its a 2007 Word doc...no clue why it comes up as a "docx"...I think I can set it as a PDF file also.
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ah no worries, am still on MS Off 2003 here.......
will check er out
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word docs from different versions are not compatible. use either rich text or pdf
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any idea where film screenshots default to in Vista...have some I took I can add....will also post as a PDF file or txt file...
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yep snap when u save it either save it as rtf dot or doc or pdf or txt........
pdf prob be best bet.........
PrimoPDF file converter is free if you don't have acrobat
my office 2003 will not recognize he docx file :(
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PDF file (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/A-20/A-20.pdf)
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OK, had to wait till I got home from work to get a film name. As an example, your film you posted recently called "A20pony". In it you fight Blauvv in his B pony. First merge is with him at your 11 oclock high.
Next two merges have you coming down out of a loop on top of him, but in both cases you DON'T got for a shot. With out black outs off and such in the film viewer its hard to see what was up, were you setting him up for a later move, or were you trying not to loose parts due to G, or where you already pulling all you had?
After that you get into a rolling scissor with him. On the first cross, it looks like you almost pulled the stick out of the floor to get off a snap shot, then after that for the next 4-5 crosses you DON"T go for the shot.
Once you get him out front, you start peppering him, then the P47 joins the fight. It seems you went after the P47 with all the intentions of spelling out in no uncertain terms that he shouldn't have interrupted the fight. So much so that when the pony came back, with a spit, you let them pound on you while you continued to try and finish off the P47.
ohhh and I love that you didn't die :)
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I'm actually already using the pony clip as a "tutorial" on what i'm trying to convey...I'll try and answer some of it here...
1st there isnt really a "right or wrong" beyond the variables I tried to outline, 2nd often when you look at realtive positioning & E state later you find out you were wrong at the time...and you did the "wrong" thing that worked out right:aok
Going specifically to the scissors my intent prior was to create this fight. Ideally he'd have converted to an E fight and retaken the high ground (I didnt know who he was beyond he was a fine stick). The goal was to immediately apply "pressure" to force the rolling scissor as best I could...then convert back to lag quickly to manage a fight that favored my plane. Here is the scissors (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/A-20/-E%20fight.ahf) broken out. When you look at the speeds its a pretty fast scissors...very easy for the A-20 to bleed out. Once I feel he's really locked in then I slow it down but had he converted to a spiral climb ets early on I'd have been toast had I gone "all in"...
To be honest I was target fixated on the jug and the spitty took an engine out...so I was just looking to get the jug while i could.
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I'm going to have to figure how to get stills from a film clip but i'll walk you thru the initial thoughts....
1) 8 seconds...my preferred merge profile...I'm under with my lift vector right on the con but out of plane to him.
2)11 secs note i've adjusted my lift vector twice a bit and he's responded. I've got him "centered" but in lag transitioning to vertical...he's moved his to a high lag also...1st sign to me hes a good stick...
3) 23 sec...we've both adjusted and he's gone very aggresive. To me this is either a dweeb move or a sign I need to be careful...given my thoughts on merge I go defensive
4) 29 seconds I've rotated my lift vector on thru and from the clip if I hadnt he'd have had a look coming up. 109's and ponies can get very aggresive from the under. I'm now in a pure "I want the high ground mode"...
5) 38 seconds Moment of decision...bwackkk bwackkk (chicken noise)
6) 42-43 sec..notice I rotate a bit away...I want lag positioning...now we're going for the scissors for sure...
7) 59 secs...there was no pull for the shot the roll set me up with a pure view..
8) "Missed it by that much" {maxwell Smart voice} what you view as pulling is really rolling...average speed here is 250+ and G load is about 3...if you look at next point of comment
9)1:19 To me this is the toughwst thing to teach/learn/do right. I "flip" to the other oblique vertical as soon as I see him get his lift vector and angles right. Had I continued with the "same scissors" he'd have had me (IMO). By flipping right as he got to "even" I regained the initiative...
10 1:26...game over. {in the sense that I "won" the scissors}
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One last comment for now...
Blauvv is a very good pony driver IMO. He's handicapped here in that he's got relatively little current experience on fighting the A-20. Only previous stick I know is Cobia (i'm sure there are others)...but thats only 1 "style" of A-20 driving. Next time we meet (or he approaches another agressive a-20) he'll fly a different fight. The A-20 is a two edged sword, it takes time and patience to kill one with reasonable alt & E...and its dangerous to ignore. As for the A-20 driver this film is the reality. You dont fly alot of round trips. I felt like I flew a good hop and the only thing I got was a guy who augered trying to avoid my cripple at the end:). however the truth is the A-20 is a joy to fly....some of the most fun fights i've ever had in AH.
I'll continue to work this up to a more polished product and build out the film library a bit before I finsih with the bird......
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ive been lucky enough to fly as tail gunner on a small number of snaphooks sorties, and wow, he knows his stuff like no one else i know.
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I went thru and cleaned up the A-20 clips (looking for one of Bat and I)...came across this one. It's basically a "dueling" clip with an La-7. Another pretty good "lift vector" primer. Also has a pretty good example of "E defense" if you look at the sequence in the 140-150 mark. Thats probably the biggest thing I've been working on. Later you get a good dose of target fixation (mine)...some is just me but I've learned that cripples kill if your in an A-20. As you can see the a-20 survives (minus a piece or two) and I was fine...except I misjudged elevator authority...argghh
Parts...I need parts... (http://www.az-dsl.com/snaphook/A-20/Ineedparts.ahf)
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
ive been lucky enough to fly as tail gunner on a small number of snaphooks sorties, and wow, he knows his stuff like no one else i know.
hehe yup, I've got dying with style down pat:aok
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you can get a .docx reader free from microsoft.
I'll add a link when i have time to find it