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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tango on August 07, 2007, 08:50:52 PM
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http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=numbersusa&hl=en
Want to see how bad things will get? Watch this video.
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Originally posted by Tango
http://video.google.com:80/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=numbersusa&hl=en
Want to see how bad things will get? Watch this video.
i just finished watching that....WOW
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Eye opener, isn't it?
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Almost makes ya sick.
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(not again...)
Anyone up for some Final Solution™? :)
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Something that seemed to jump out of this nice presentation is that he is talking only about LEGAL immigration, not illegals funneling into the country.
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Notice how the liberal nutjobs are nowhere to be found in this thread.
It's amazing to me that they are not only willing, but eager to end this country as it has existed since it's inception.
Only a massive world war or a revolution here in this country can save us now.
Short of this, only massive overpopulation is Earth's future until the breaking point is reached and people/cultures begins to die off from lack of food.
I see only these three possibilities await us.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Something that seemed to jump out of this nice presentation is that he is talking only about LEGAL immigration, not illegals funneling into the country.
Think how tall that chart would be if he included the millions of illegal immigrants as well.
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Originally posted by Tango
Think how tall that chart would be if he included the millions of illegal immigrants as well.
I wonder just how much worse it would be if illegal immigration was taken into account?
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Being that the last bill [thankfully it was shot down] was supposed to let them bring 4 family members in with them, it would speed up that chart ALOT.
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The big fight in the House the other day where the vote was (they claim accidentally) gaveled shut with votes still coming in, allowed illegals to be eligible for govt funds--food stamps, and the like, I believe. That got lost in the news about the cat fight
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Originally posted by bj229r
The big fight in the House the other day where the vote was (they claim accidentally) gaveled shut with votes still coming in, allowed illegals to be eligible for govt funds--food stamps, and the like, I believe. That got lost in the news about the cat fight
Are you sure about that? That was changed under the Welfare Reform in the 1990s.
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Almost sleeping, watched first several minutes.
Golden era of immigration 1925-1965. I think 1929-1933 are included? Thaaat was a time when immigrants were moooostly welcome!
178000 a year is more like an "average body temperature in a hospital".
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Originally posted by Boroda
Almost sleeping, watched first several minutes.
Golden era of immigration 1925-1965. I think 1929-1933 are included?
No, the Depression era saw the US's first massive emigration. I don't know if this is true but some people actually settled to the Workers Paradise (USSR), where plenty of jobs can be found.
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SPEAKING of illegal 'immigrants' (I guess 'aliens' isn't politically correct anymore)...remember the triple murder/execution of the 3 college kids a week or so ago?
NEWARK, N.J. — A Peruvian national in the U.S. illegally and who was previously charged with raping a 5-year-old girl[/b] pleaded not guilty Friday in the execution-style slayings of three young college students, a day after he surrendered to the Newark mayor.
Jose Carranza, 28, aka Jose La Chira, entered his plea before Essex County Superior Court Judge Michael Casale. A second suspect, a 15-year-old boy, has been held pending a detention hearing, and authorities said more arrests were "imminent."
Carranza, of Peru, was being held on $1 million bail. He turned himself in to Newark Mayor Cory Booker after his fingerprints were lifted from a bottle in connection with the shootings of four college students on Saturday. Three were killed but a fourth survived and was hospitalized after the shootings in a Newark schoolyard.
FOX News has learned Carranza, who has a fake Social Security number, had been arrested on charges of raping a 5-year-old girl and then threatening the child and her parents. In that case he faced a 31-count indictment..
Immigration officials apparently were aware of Carranza's illegal status since his prior arrests, according to Essex County Sheriff Armando Fontoura.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292717,00.html
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but. but, he is just a hard working family man that is seeking the american dream.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Thanks for Sharing!!!!
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I wanted a gumball.
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Note he wants to drop immigration to ~165000 a year, but wasn't too bothered about the 200000 or so US citizens he mentioned that emigrate each year.
What about those European and Asian countries that have to take in all those impoverished Yanks with their worthless dollars...
;)
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Originally posted by 68Wooley
Note he wants to drop immigration to ~165000 a year, but wasn't too bothered about the 200000 or so US citizens he mentioned that emigrate each year.
What about those European and Asian countries that have to take in all those impoverished Yanks with their worthless dollars...
;)
You mean all the Liberal hollywood types that hate America? I say we need to get more of them to leave.
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It's going to take rather Draconian measures to curb Illegal immigration, now. It's gotten too bad for a simple 'reform' bill. It's gonna take restrictions' on the way we do business, a military presence along the U.S. border with mexico, and changeing our diplomatic relations with the mexican government. (Changeing the mexican government might be a better solution, but that's a topic for another thread.)
The immigration problem is a symptom of several other root causes, that need to be solved before Illegal immigration can be cured.
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Originally posted by 1K3
(not again...)
Anyone up for some Final Solution™? :)
Think that's the 2nd time Ive seen you throw that term around.
I really think you use that term a bit too lightly.
Bronk
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
It's going to take rather Draconian measures to curb Illegal immigration, now. It's gotten too bad for a simple 'reform' bill. It's gonna take restrictions' on the way we do business, a military presence along the U.S. border with mexico, and changeing our diplomatic relations with the mexican government. (Changeing the mexican government might be a better solution, but that's a topic for another thread.)
The immigration problem is a symptom of several other root causes, that need to be solved before Illegal immigration can be cured.
Alas, the Guard troops are coming off the border now (I'm sure they're thinkin "#$%#$% summer's almost done and NOW we leave???"
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Originally posted by Bronk
Think that's the 2nd time Ive seen you throw that term around.
I really think you use that term a bit too lightly.
Bronk
That's what I use everytime I see another anti-immigration argument. I really get tired of it.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
eager to end this country as it has existed since it's inception.
Tell me what year you want to turn the clock back to?
I'd like to turn the clock back myself.
Even I would not say "this country as it has existed since its inception" and try to con someone into thinking that American society from the beginning translates into some sort of social consistency. It might depending on how close or how far away you stand. Have to get pretty far back to sell that one.
We could take a stab at 1776, dash ahead 90'ish years to 1865, take a run to 1920 (beaucoup immigration from 1865 to 1920 btw), then to 1957 (WHOOT I'm here finally), and then things start going to pot.
Crud. It's my fault.
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Originally posted by 1K3
That's what I use everytime I see another immigration thread. I get tired of it.
Well If i was president for a year This would not be an issue and I will tell you what the US needs.
#1 we need to train soldiers and they need to be trained in desert warfare.
Simple dam answer here TRAIN THEM ON THE BORDER OF MEXICO
#2 WE NEED TO TRAIN SOLDIERS ON demolitons THAT IS GREAT LET THEM PRACTICE LAYING LAND MINDS ALL ALONG THE BORDER
#3 WE NEED TO TRAIN PILOTS SO SEND THEM TO THE BORDER AND LET THEM GET SOME TARGET PRACTICE .
#4 THE US needs a no BS policy so no food stamps no medical care no schools for ANY ILLEGALS HERE
#5 NO MORE OF THIS CRAP RUNNING ACROSS THE BORDER AND HAVEING A KID (if the parents are illegal then so is the kid)
If I break a law then everyone wants me to go to jail so the same thing should apply to everyone.
OH MY BAD I forgot the rest of if I was president for a year.
IF I was president for a just a year the would be NO ONE CROSSING THE BOARDERS AFTER THE FIRST 3 MONTHS BECAUSE OUR SOLIDERS WOULD BE THE BEST DAM SHOOTERS IN THE WORLD
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it is not anti-immigration to be against people that come into this country illegally.
every time someone says they want to enforce the rules and protect the border they are called "anti-immigration ", it has nothing to do with legal immigration.
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Originally posted by john9001
it is not anti-immigration to be against people that come into this country illegally.
every time someone says they want to enforce the rules and protect the border they are called "anti-immigration ", it has nothing to do with legal immigration.
don't forget "anti-brown-people'
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Originally posted by 1K3
That's what I use everytime I see another anti-immigration argument. I really get tired of it.
Right, got it now you're a drama queen. Anyone who brings up a discussion about immigration legal or illegal you label a Nazi.
Good to know. Do you toss people out of your freeloader room for shooting you down also? Because thats the same mentality.
Bronk
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Originally posted by oldtard
LET THEM PRACTICE LAYING LAND MINDS
What the heck is a "land mind"?
A brain that hates the sea?
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It is not a huge and difficult problem as some of the people here would have you believe.
Simply arrest and put in prison for a mandatory year... every single employer who can be proven to have hired illegals knowingly. that includes the so called "contractors" who pick em up at home depot. a contractor would lose his license... business licenses would be lost for a business
Put a few dozen or more in prison and no one will hire illegals..
The "problem" would go away overnite and no one would be hurt who didn't deserve it. No mexicans would bother to cross for jobs because there would be no jobs... the 10% or so left that were crossing would be hard core smugglers and less work load on our border patrol.. easier to control.
Some other things that could change would be... no state or federal documents in anything but english.
No anchor babies.. if one of the parents isn't a citizen... neither is the spawn.
Work visas... only the worker can come over.. not non working family members.
nothing to it really... simple and doable but...
lazs
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I bought a bird feeder. I hung it on my back porch and filled it with seed.
Within a week we had hundreds of birds taking advantage of the continuous
flow of free and easily accessible food.
But then the birds started building nests in the boards of the patio,
above the table, and next to the barbecue.
Then came the poop. It was everywhere: on the patio tile, the chairs,
the table...everywhere.
Then some of the birds turned mean:
They would dive bomb me and try to peck me even though I had fed them out
of my own pocket.
And others birds were boisterous and loud:
They sat on the feeder and squawked and screamed at all hours of the day
and night and demanded that I fill it when it got low on food.
After a while, I couldn't even sit on my own back porch anymore.
I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone.
I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all
over the patio.
Soon, the back yard was like it used to be...... quiet, serene and no one
demanding their rights to a free meal.
Now lets see....... our government gives out free food, subsidized housing,
free medical care, free education and allows anyone born here to be
an automatic citizen.
Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands.
Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are
housing 5 families: you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room
doctor: your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over
half the class doesn't speak English: Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual
box; I have to press "one" to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people
waving flags other than "Old Glory" are squawking and screaming in the
streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.
Maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder.
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vwe.. that is the way it works but.. it is difficult to wean Americans off welfare and it is difficult to not share the welfare with anyone who shows up at the party once you have it.
How can you say that the only humane thing is to "save the children" when you allow the children on the same street to not get the goodies because of some paperwork?
Nope.. so long as we have our own worthless sucking at the tit.. pretty hard to turn down someone elses babies.
The only way is to stop the flood.. the only way to do that is to stop the employment.
It will be easy to deport the rest who simply come for a handout or to deal in drugs or whatever.
lazs
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Stop employment..... medical, food, anchor babies.....
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Originally posted by lazs2
No anchor babies.. if one of the parents isn't a citizen... neither is the spawn.
Work visas... only the worker can come over.. not non working family members.
lazs
Couple of problems there:
1. Anchor Babies: if every country enacted a law that said both parents had to be citizens before a child became a citizen, there would be an awful lot of nation-less babies. I agree with you in cases where both parents are non-citizens (even though I could potentially benefit from having an anchor baby myself :noid )
2. Work visas and family: if you had said to me I could come to the US and work, but my wife couldn't come with me, I wouldn't be here. If I wasn't here, 20 or so US citizens would not have well paid jobs. Its enormously difficult to get a work visa for the US as it is and in most cases, whilst they will allow spouse and children to accompany you, they are not entitled to work and are not entitled to benefits.
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Originally posted by USRanger
Almost makes ya sick.
Almost makes me want to get a box truck, pick up as many as it will hold, just tell them i'm building a house, and then drop them off on the lawn of the people that think that there isn't a problem.
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Originally posted by 68Wooley
Couple of problems there:
1. Anchor Babies: if every country enacted a law that said both parents had to be citizens before a child became a citizen, there would be an awful lot of nation-less babies. I agree with you in cases where both parents are non-citizens (even though I could potentially benefit from having an anchor baby myself :noid )
2. Work visas and family: if you had said to me I could come to the US and work, but my wife couldn't come with me, I wouldn't be here. If I wasn't here, 20 or so US citizens would not have well paid jobs. Its enormously difficult to get a work visa for the US as it is and in most cases, whilst they will allow spouse and children to accompany you, they are not entitled to work and are not entitled to benefits.
(1.) They would not be "Nation-less". They would be nationals of their country of origin, I.E., Two mexican nationals have a child here, that child is/should be a Mex. national, period.
(2.) Tough. Find a job at home. Sounds' calous? Then apply for legal citizenship, If you want your whole family. Only the worker on the visa would be paying taxes for Social services' on the Visa plan. We have no obligation whatsoever to pay for health care or education for citizens' of another country.
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Dude - read both Lazs' post and my own again. All you've done is show that you didn't read either properly and that you have no idea how the immigration process in this country works.
Originally posted by FrodeMk3
(1.) They would not be "Nation-less". They would be nationals of their country of origin, I.E., Two mexican nationals have a child here, that child is/should be a Mex. national, period.
Lazs suggested if one parent was not a citizen, the baby should be denied citizenship. That's what I said would cause a problem. I agreed that it makes no sense to grant a child citizenship if neither parent is a citizen (even though I personally could stand to gain by having such a child).
Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Tough. Find a job at home. Sounds' calous? Then apply for legal citizenship, If you want your whole family. Only the worker on the visa would be paying taxes for Social services' on the Visa plan. We have no obligation whatsoever to pay for health care or education for citizens' of another country..
Firstly - I already said that accompanying spouses and children are not entitled to any benefits. Before a visa is issued, the visa holder has to provide pretty convincing proof of his ability to support his / her family. Right now, I pay Uncle Sam very handsomely in taxes for nothing much in return other than the continued right to be here.
Secondly - no accompanying family = no foreign investment in this country. Do you think anyone would agree to move to America to set up a factory, open an office, expand a company etc etc if they couldn't bring their family? That's a lot of jobs that aren't coming to America.
Thirdly - I could apply for citizenship. But only after firstly applying for permanent residence (a process that takes between 12 and 36 months), waiting the requisite five years and then applying for citizenship (another 12 - 36 months). At that point, I could apply to bring my wife and children over, but after 10 or so years, they might have forgotten who I am.
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Wooley, you could always move to Canada, i hear that's a great place to live eh.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Notice how the liberal nutjobs are nowhere to be found in this thread.
It's amazing to me that they are not only willing, but eager to end this country as it has existed since it's inception.
Only a massive world war or a revolution here in this country can save us now.
Short of this, only massive overpopulation is Earth's future until the breaking point is reached and people/cultures begins to die off from lack of food.
I see only these three possibilities await us.
lol since we are calling people names here...
What have you right wing nut-jobs done in the last 6 years while you had control of the presidency, the house and the senate?
You guys are always the same.. It's always Democrats fault or liberals. When are you ever going to share in any blame?
Common Steve Baily tell me why your precious Right wingers didn't jump to action when they had control to do pretty much anything they damn well choose to do? I thought Bush was the Decider? I guess he's undecided on this one eh?
As I've posted before you right wingers are all talk and never any action. It took the Democrats to get the funding to start securing our boarders and even then your big bad Republicans were fighting them every step of the way.
Besides that this is about "legal" immigration not illegal.
So put your money where your mouth is Baily.. Show me something your Republicans right wingers have "actually done" not blabbed about in regards to illegal or even legal immigration..
Show me something, besides some half bellybutton atempt at a wall built by a bunch of farmers.
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Apparently Crokett is the only one who hasn't figured out Bush isn't a 'right-winger', and the vast majority of the Senate Republicans are of a similar mindset
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the right won't close the border because they want cheap labor and the left won't close the border because they want the hispanic vote.
the border will be open until the citizens close it or a general or group of generals have had enough of politics and seize control of the govt and declare a military dictatorship.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Apparently Crokett is the only one who hasn't figured out Bush isn't a 'right-winger', and the vast majority of the Senate Republicans are of a similar mindset
Oh so it's so bad now, you guys won't even claim him.. :rofl
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Originally posted by crockett
Oh so it's so bad now, you guys won't even claim him.. :rofl
from the Gallup poll.
"Republicans continue to be much more likely than independents or Democrats to support the president. Seventy-three percent of Republicans approve of Bush, substantially higher than the 27% approval among independents and the 9% approval among Democrats."
it's so easy to check the facts, i'm surprised more people don't do it before posting.
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Originally posted by john9001
Seventy-three percent of Republicans approve of Bush
Well that should be good news then.
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Originally posted by john9001
from the Gallup poll.
"Republicans continue to be much more likely than independents or Democrats to support the president. Seventy-three percent of Republicans approve of Bush, substantially higher than the 27% approval among independents and the 9% approval among Democrats."
it's so easy to check the facts, i'm surprised more people don't do it before posting.
I'm not the one whom claimed Bush wasn't a right winger.. Talk to bj about the polls.. :rolleyes:
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Even if Bush did deserve to be removed from office, impeachment would not accomplish that. It would also require the Senate going through their proceedings and there probably isn't enough time left in Bush's term to accomplish both. Waste of time and money at this point.
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Originally posted by crockett
I'm not the one whom claimed Bush wasn't a right winger.. Talk to bj about the polls.. :rolleyes:
Only having 73% of your OWN party is problematic in itself--there's MANY things he's angered his base over--immigration at the top
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Nothing swims across the Red River.... No Texans or Mexicans!
Oklahoma is OK.
OUR version of Homeland Security.
CaChink...Ammo up front!!!
Mac
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68... you are correct.. I did write it as if "one".
I meant "none" I am sorry for the confusion. I have said as much in the past tho... if neither of the parents is a citizen then the baby is not.
If one of them is... they have the choice. but... if one of the parents was a citizen then they probly both would be as marriage makes you one.
as for work visas....
I am speaking of the only work that the illegals can do and the work that is often touted as "work Americans will not do"
That is seasonal farm labor.
It was done as I said decades ago.. only the workers came for the season... often that was man and wife.... they left after the season was over. they lived on the farmers land in housing that was not fit for families in any case and they were all well past school age.
sorry about the mistype with the parent thing.
lazs
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Originally posted by AWMac
Nothing swims across the Red River.... No Texans or Mexicans!
No need to swim across. Us Texicans built a bridge across "our" river. We needed a way to easily cross, get through OK on our way to Kansas in search of something exciting.
:rofl
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68Wooley, I'm sorry, I should have made a statement at the beginning of my post: That this is my opinion of how our immigration should work.
IMHO, these are loopholes that should never have been allowed to be open. Immigration should be channeled through the INS, period.