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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Phil on August 08, 2007, 07:25:22 AM
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Gents
Everyone have their own style of dogfighting.
Everyone is entitled to chose where to fight.
Yes, we all paid $$.00 a mth and we are FREE DO TO WHAT WE WISH in this game.
Lets talk about dogfighting !
I play this game for dogfighting only.
I do pay attention to my fighter scores and always want to bring it lower.(personal challenge and tool for self improvement)
I fly many hours in Early and Mid arenas because I believe in "learning to walk before running".
What I mean by that is challenging one adversary at a time. Sometimes I'm outnumbered but the learning challenge is always present.
Yes sometimes I fly 10minutes before finding my bogey ! Then the fight begins. Stall fighting, Turn fighting etc....
After several months of experience, I see myself as a fair good stick. I will give the top boys a good sweat before being pumped with lead :D
Recently I've been trying the late war arenas.
Most of the times my victories are boring and cheap !:(
Why ? Because the ODDS are never EVEN ! WIN or LOSE !
Why did I land with 5-6kills ? Because WE outnumbered the poor guy !!
It goes both ways ! By the time I saddle up on someone's six, I look back and there's 4 friendlies about to jump me :confused:
Im' far away from being a bad loser.
Often when you get to challenge a loner, he runs away with his FAST plane :cry
Is it fair to say that a large majority of players in LATE arenas don't even know how to really scrap ??????
They have PROUD fighter rank numbers below 500's and don't know how to fight when it comes to 1 vs 1 !!!
A great pourcentage of their scores is BOOM and RUN while you can TACTIC
:mad:
Many times when I get an easy scrap victory in EARLY and MID arenas, I keep track of the pilots. Then I check their FIGHTING history stats. WOW ! To my surpise, they are way low numbers in ranks BUT when I further investigate, they fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas. That only tells me that they BOOM and RUN most of the time !!!
What do you think ?
Sometimes I wish NEWBIES would need to acquire several months of playing before being allowed to play in late arenas. They are just rats in a barrell for good pilots in the late arenas.
Learn to walk before running !
Learn to fight simple odds before gang bangs !
Learn your strong points and weakenesses !
What do you guys think ?
Input anyone ?
Phil:aok
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You should try doing some events (http://www.ahevents.org) or joining a squad for a little variety, if you'd like your fights a bit more organized. The AvA (where there are people in there) has better quality fights, most of the time.
All that other stuff is really just a part of the game, pickers, vulchers, etc. You can't change human nature. Some people will always be in it to win at any cost.
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"boom and run" is an actual type of fighting. some planes are only good fighting like this.
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If you want to focus on getting better hook up with one of the trainers in the TA, or just find yourself some good dueling buddies. The EW and MW arenas were never that great of a place to find a decent fight when I was playing. I know what you are saying about how it can take some time to find a fight in there, and if your spending your time looking for one, then you are wasting time that could be used improving your skills. Honestly other than the TA and the DA I think you should just dive in head first. It's a game, you die, you re-up. If you have at least some grasp on BFM and ACM which I gather from your post you do you can start to concentrate on learning some of the finer points of the game. So many variables come into play that you are never gonna learn unless you just take your lumps like the rest of us. You need to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the differnent aircraft, how to handle different situations be it from a disadvantage or an advantage, and start developing your SA. Is there ganging, picking, ho'ing and all other sorts of dweebery in the LW's? Of course there is, and there probably always will be. I learned long ago it's much better to fight 5 red guys for a kill, than 5 green ones. Take some time to get comfortable in the LW's and then when you are on switch to the side with the lowest number, or whatever one is getting steamrolled the worst and defend. It will keep you in more frequent contact with the enemy. Nothing in this game will ever compare to a heart pumping, palm sweating 1v1 with two equally skilled pilots, but fighting outnumbered and coming out on top comes close.
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Why did I land with 5-6kills ? Because WE outnumbered the poor guy !! It goes both ways ! By the time I saddle up on someone's six, I look back and there's 4 friendlies about to jump me
Well that’s what will typically happen when you fly with the hoard. To solve this problem, try to find a place away from a major furball where there’s a small sized, evenly matched fight going on between just a few enemies and friendlies. Such fights aren't as unusual as you may think. Often when you get to challenge a loner, he runs away with his FAST plane
I suggest you fly a fast plane yourself so you can catch them. Or just simply ignore them; let them run away, there are better fights to be had. To my surpise, they are way low numbers in ranks BUT when I further investigate, they fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas. That only tells me that they BOOM and RUN most of the time !!!
I have to agree with Moneyguy; “Boom and Run” is actually a style of dogfighting more commonly referred to as “Boom and Zoom”. Enemies that may appear to be running are often extending away trying to gain some separation so they can properly set up for another attack. This is because “Fast” planes usually, if not always, make poor turn fighters.
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In EW everyone flies spits and hurricanes,(except for Laz;) ) which can't run away from anything --LW totally different sort of thing--and as was said before, best fights are in a partially populated sector with even numbers---3 on 3, 4 on 4--never get tired of them, win or lose:aok
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I think that the EWA, MWA, and LWA are no different as far as people go. The difference is that in the EA and MA I have to fly for 10 mins before the bad guy runs, I get ganged, or get taken out by a manned 5" gun. You can find a fight but thats true for the MA too. AvA, EWA, MWA, LWA, new arenas to come are no different because people dont change when they go there. Its still the same guys that were flying in the MA.
And don't forget, it is not the new guys that act like that. The 'vets' have set the example and they use the 'I'm flying it the right way' excuse so the new guys think that this is how they should do it too.
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Originally posted by dedalos
And don't forget, it is not the new guys that act like that. The 'vets' have set the example and they use the 'I'm flying it the right way' excuse so the new guys think that this is how they should do it too.
Restated for emphasis.
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Fly into the enemy horde. You may not come out alive, but it will make you a better dogfighter. Then eventualy you will be able to fly into the horde and come out alive with several kills to take home. I haven't got there yet but I'm working on it.
Don't take your score too seriously. To me the only number that really matters in my score is hit percentage, because mine sux and I want to improve it. the rest are just numbers.
Don't let the runners, bangers, and whinners get to you. You have to go through many of them to get to a good fight, but when you get that good fight it makes it all worth it, win or lose. I actually had a guy bail after he lost the advantage he started the fight with, I had to laugh at that one.
Most importantly enjoy what you are doing. If it isn't fun take a break.
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fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.
Seriously Phil, I don't know who you are or what you fly since you post under a shade account but if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.
You asked what I thought.
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Originally posted by SIK1
Fly into the enemy horde. You may not come out alive, but it will make you a better dogfighter. Then eventualy you will be able to fly into the horde and come out alive with several kills to take home. I haven't got there yet but I'm working on it.
Probably the best adrenaline rush..
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.
Seriously Phil, I don't know who you are or what you fly since you post under a shade account but if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.
You asked what I thought.
He isn't a shade at 80 posts and being a Canuck.
Why can't a fast plane actually fight? Who says he's in a spit?
The behavior he describes between the two arenas is spot on. I have to almost give enemies in LW my 6 to get them to engage. Sad. You keep buzzing around looking for easy picks in hordes though.
:aok
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.
Yep, the leson is that there is always a fastest plane in any set up and in any arena. Just because they are fast does not mean they should just cherry, gang, and run
if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.
Here we go. That is exactly what I am talking about. Jump in a 190 and claime that the plane made you a vulcher, gang banger, cherry picker, or runner.
I ve seen people in Spits try to run from an LA7 :rofl This is how bad it is with some people. Once they miss the free six shot, they don't know what to do cause they never tried anything else. They fly straight try to get away from a 51 or LA7. They know they cant and yet they still try :rofl
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.
Seriously Phil, I don't know who you are or what you fly since you post under a shade account but if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.
You asked what I thought.
Hey bud !
Sorry Baldeagle, I have a good fair grasp on the planes flown in those arenas.
I respect everyone's flying style as stated in the initial thread( We pay $$.00 and we r free to do what we wish...)
I'm sure I'm not in the DREAMLAND !
Maybe I should admit that I get frustrated when shot down when I was having a good scrap with one or two adversaries and 5 more were on the way to jump me !
I do admit not feeling so content when I land 3+ kills when I know I didn't work that hard.(outnumbered him or waited for the right time to jump in)
I wish that those pilots in the late wars should come out more often in the mid and early war arenas and really test their skills during even odds.
Take the boxing gloves off and fight bare fists ! LOL
I'm sure many would get a good reality check !
Thanks for the input BaldEagle !
Salute !
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Phil, look me up in the arenas using the dot P player command and we'll DA a few! If I'm not on, find Dedalos or BatfinkV and they are good fun fights as well. Also, look up widewing or some of the other trainors in the TA, as they will give you a fun and respectful fight!
Mark
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I usually fly the G6 or G14. None of them are very fast or very agile but somewere inbetween. Often i get some remark by a guy flying his HOicane or other great turnfighter because i did not slow down and place myself infront of his plane :D Im glad not everyone listens to some of the advice here and "get a faster plane so you can chase em down" It would be one boring MA if everyone chased everyone else around in uber rides. Alot of people also use the "i need a fast plane to chase the other guy down" excuse for choosing a plane he can run away himslef in.
If you are in a slow turner, then your job is to make him loose his E and finish him or let him go for better pray.
If your ride has other qualities then use em!
If you cant fool the other guy into fighting on your own terms then you have made the mistake and have lost your right to whine :cool:
There is no fighter in this game that does not have a good chanse at winning fights if you use its advantages vs the oponents.
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last night I called out one of the MAW's for ganging, and his squaddie said, "dude, it's a big furball, you should expect it" the difference is, I had flown southeast away from the furball to get a better fight. I engaged an la7 and a couple of others joined in, then a c205. The 205 was 4th plane in and had to fly 1/4 sector to get to the 3 vs 1 already in progress. This is the kind of dweebery that I never understand. I mean, there is already 3 there and your going to fly out of your way to be the 4th? :rofl :lol
btw it took 6 minutes to get me JUG25 to go down and the MAW in the 205 took no less than 4 passes!:D
Mark
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Originally posted by SkyRock
The 205 was 4th plane in and had to fly 1/4 sector to get to the 3 vs 1 already in progress. This is the kind of dweebery that I never understand.
Dude....I mean, like...it's a WAR, don't you see? I mean, like, in a real war, people would really, like, gang up whenever they could you know, so that they could kill the bad dude and win the war.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Phil
Hey bud !
I do admit not feeling so content when I land 3+ kills when I know I didn't work that hard.(outnumbered him or waited for the right time to jump in)
Mossies are my main ride in the MA and is by no means an uber plane but it has its strenghts. When I get more than three kills I know I have had to work for it. I regulary fly into furballs but I am always careful to maintain E advantage so I can "wait for the right time to jump in". Nothing wrong with that. Besides the Mossie is a magnet and as soon as your icon shows up on the enemies screen they come running to you. Rarely do they run from you but if they do there is nothing better than diving in on a running LA or Pony. :)
You should try one.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Dude....I mean, like...it's a WAR, don't you see? I mean, like, in a real war, people would really, like, gang up whenever they could you know, so that they could kill the bad dude and win the war.
- oldman
:rofl :lol :rofl
one- this is not war, it's a game.
two- I think that's dweeby
three- also I consider it a form of killstealing
four- I find that only timid vets and skilless dweebs would take the time to fly out to a 3 on 1:aok
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I don't agree with most of what you said.
If you want to fight 1v1 then the late war MA probably isn't the best place for you.
Part of doing well in the late war MA, in my opinion, is knowing when to engage, and knowing when to disengage.
If you're only looking to fight till the death, then forget about the disengage part.
If you're looking to try and save your cartoon life, then I suggest you choose your fights wisely. There's no problem engaging at fair or uneven odds. However, if you're happily flying your 1v1 and you see the dar bar growing and growing, it's YOUR choice whether to stay or disengage. Hey, that' part of flying and fighting.
A skillfull disengagement can be every bit as satisfying as a hard fought 1v1, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
:rofl :lol :rofl
one- this is not war, it's a game.
two- I think that's dweeby
three- also I consider it a form of killstealing
four- I find that only timid vets and skilless dweebs would take the time to fly out to a 3 on 1:aok
Mark ... I have a brand new set of pliers that you can use to get that hook out of your mouth ... :p
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Mark ... I have a brand new set of pliers that you can use to get that hook out of your mouth ... :p
use them on yourself first! hee hee
I already got tunnces123 to start defending the gangbang, wonder how many more will I get? :D
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Originally posted by toonces3
skillfull disengagement
Wow! :rofl :lol :rofl running, will never be as satisfying as a hard fought 1 vs 1! If a fella is flying towards a 3 vs 1, he is by definition, DWEEBY!:aok
Mark
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Originally posted by SkyRock
use them on yourself first! hee hee
I already got tunnces123 to start defending the gangbang, wonder how many more will I get? :D
huh ? ... I was referring to OldMan's post ... :D
My mouth is scar free in regards to this thread ... ;)
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Originally posted by toonces3
I don't agree with most of what you said.
If you want to fight 1v1 then the late war MA probably isn't the best place for you.
Part of doing well in the late war MA, in my opinion, is knowing when to engage, and knowing when to disengage.
If you're only looking to fight till the death, then forget about the disengage part.
If you're looking to try and save your cartoon life, then I suggest you choose your fights wisely. There's no problem engaging at fair or uneven odds. However, if you're happily flying your 1v1 and you see the dar bar growing and growing, it's YOUR choice whether to stay or disengage. Hey, that' part of flying and fighting.
A skillfull disengagement can be every bit as satisfying as a hard fought 1v1, in my opinion.
I agree with this 100%. I recently just flew an entire camp flying nothing but slow turners, Fm2, F4F and some F6F (In LW arenas only) just to sharpen the 'ole knife. In those planes I prayed the guy would be dumb enough to turn with me, as opposed to when I'm in my Typhoon I pray the guy is dumb enough to try to run from me. No matter which type of plane or style of fightering though the real art or trick to being successful, by successfull I mean down as many aircraft as possible without getting yourself wacked, is exactly what toonces says. That is knowing when to get involved and how deeply invested Energy wise you do so. Then knowing the time to disengage and having the ability, SA and retained energy to actually do the disengaging.
This is something only gained by experience and is always a judgement call, no matter in which style or in which plane you fly. Fail to engage and disengage at the proper times and you either die or fail to kill, either of which means you were unsuccessful. It's a constant balancing act, you must weigh the concern of maximally inflicting casualties to the enemy and avoiding becoming one yourself, sometimes this dual faceted goal is even in diametric opposition adding to the tactical intrigue of it all.
Now if you're just a, dive into the swarm and flail around till you die type, it's not this nuanced, you just put as much lead into as many planes as you can before they finally chop you down...So, it's kind of like you're only playing half the game, from a fighter tactics point of view...
One of my sayings I coined many years ago is this, "Killing is fun, killing and getting away with it is pure ecstacy"
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I'm glad this topic has FINALLY been brought up. It certainly has never been discussed before... :rolleyes:
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Thanks guys !
Many of you made some good points !!!
Slapshot ! We see ya in the mid war !
You are a DAMN good stick !
You have "filled" my rear end with lead more than I wished ! LOL
And on the odd occasion, I returned the favor:rofl
Slapshot I know that you have top numbers for fighter ranks !
Is it fair to say that a large majority of your kills would be in the late arenas? And if so, those kills are they easier and faster done than the mid war scraps ?
When you guys(Bi-polar / Dextur / Storch / Zip etc... ) fight in Mid, are the scraps more challenging ?
It would be great to see you guys in Early and Mid more often !
Phil
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Originally posted by SkyRock
:rofl :lol :rofl
one- this is not war, it's a game.
two- I think that's dweeby
three- also I consider it a form of killstealing
four- I find that only timid vets and skilless dweebs would take the time to fly out to a 3 on 1:aok
i so f@#king agree
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Originally posted by SlapShot
huh ? ... I was referring to OldMan's post ... :D
My mouth is scar free in regards to this thread ... ;)
vv Slap, I thought it was funny! ;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I agree with this 100%. I recently just flew an entire camp flying nothing but slow turners, Fm2, F4F and some F6F (In LW arenas only) just to sharpen the 'ole knife. In those planes I prayed the guy would be dumb enough to turn with me, as opposed to when I'm in my Typhoon I pray the guy is dumb enough to try to run from me. No matter which type of plane or style of fightering though the real art or trick to being successful, by successfull I mean down as many aircraft as possible without getting yourself wacked, is exactly what toonces says. That is knowing when to get involved and how deeply invested Energy wise you do so. Then knowing the time to disengage and having the ability, SA and retained energy to actually do the disengaging.
This is something only gained by experience and is always a judgement call, no matter in which style or in which plane you fly. Fail to engage and disengage at the proper times and you either die or fail to kill, either of which means you were unsuccessful. It's a constant balancing act, you must weigh the concern of maximally inflicting casualties to the enemy and avoiding becoming one yourself, sometimes this dual faceted goal is even in diametric opposition adding to the tactical intrigue of it all.
Now if you're just a, dive into the swarm and flail around till you die type, it's not this nuanced, you just put as much lead into as many planes as you can before they finally chop you down...So, it's kind of like you're only playing half the game, from a fighter tactics point of view...
One of my sayings I coined many years ago is this, "Killing is fun, killing and getting away with it is pure ecstacy"
Zaz, u know I respect your thoughts on this matter as we have been through this as foes and squaddies, but if everyone only flew to only engage when they knew there was no risks, this game would be the most boring game on the net! Most of the fun in this game comes when one is risking something!:aok
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Originally posted by Phil
Thanks guys !
Many of you made some good points !!!
Slapshot ! We see ya in the mid war !
You are a DAMN good stick !
You have "filled" my rear end with lead more than I wished ! LOL
And on the odd occasion, I returned the favor:rofl
Slapshot I know that you have top numbers for fighter ranks !
Is it fair to say that a large majority of your kills would be in the late arenas? And if so, those kills are they easier and faster done than the mid war scraps ?
When you guys(Bi-polar / Dextur / Storch / Zip etc... ) fight in Mid, are the scraps more challenging ?
It would be great to see you guys in Early and Mid more often !
Phil
When on the occasions that aI do go in EW MW, I find that most are in there to avoid contact with the enemy. when you do find a fight, it is usually from a fella that is looking for one(this goes for any arena). There is no more better sticks in one than the other.
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My experiences in the EW and MW were almost entirely LAME. @0 on one team, 3 on another, and 2 on the last.
I always joined the low # team, trying to find a decent fight. I got ganged for my efforts. And not lightly. I wish it was ONLY 6-7 vs 1. I felt like the little fish from the Nemo movie, with all the seagulls screaming MINE! MINE! MINE!
Ridiculous. Bunch of gangbangers swarming undefended bases.
I'd log off before going back.
Plenty of good fights can be found in the MA's. You just need to be a little smarter than the swarm. The possibility / likelihood of others jumping into your fights is a very large part of why the MA is interesting. It keeps your SA active.
Can't handle the heat? Go to the DA or TA for some 1v1's.
Most of the people playing this game can't handle a 1v1 with any chance of survival anyway. Why should you feel special about beating them 1v1. You call it a fair fight when you obviously are so much more skilled than them? Wanna race to cut a tree down- one guy gets a bow saw, the other gets a chainsaw? Fair right? They each have one blade...
MtnMan
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Originally posted by SIK1
Fly into the enemy horde. You may not come out alive, but it will make you a better dogfighter. Then eventualy you will be able to fly into the horde and come out alive with several kills to take home. I haven't got there yet but I'm working on it.
1)agreed..........i've moved from EW to LW, and been fighting in the furballs that i've spent the last year avoiding,.........it is making me an imensly(pardon mispell) better pilot, with much better situational awareness. i started out with dying, and 0 kills.......then 2-3 kills, before i get killed.....now, 2-3 kills, and i land about 1/3 of the time. so...listne to these guys......jump in on the deep end, it'll only help.
Don't take your score too seriously. To me the only number that really matters in my score is hit percentage, because mine sux and I want to improve it. the rest are just numbers.
Don't let the runners, bangers, and whinners get to you. You have to go through many of them to get to a good fight, but when you get that good fight it makes it all worth it, win or lose. I actually had a guy bail after he lost the advantage he started the fight with, I had to laugh at that one.
2)i forget who it was, but i had mentioned this one in anoother thread......i took their advice, and if i get a runner...usually a pony, i know it's someone who knows how to fly it, so i show them my side, or my tail......within seconds, they've reversed and are running me down, so now i just try to force them into a mistake. i die most of the time, but the first few times i tried this one, i died EVERY time......so this one is also getting better too.
Most importantly enjoy what you are doing. If it isn't fun take a break.
3)yes..once you stop having fun, that's when you'll most liekly embarras yourself on the 200 channel,,,,,, either go to another arena(i've done that when gettin my but handed to me and had much better luck in other arena) or go have a cold driink.
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john
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Originally posted by Stang
He isn't a shade at 80 posts and being a Canuck.
Why can't a fast plane actually fight? Who says he's in a spit?
1)well...i know i can'tr do it, but i've seen some pilots turn a pony like it was a spit(ren for example), and there's a guy that posted films of him inb a boston in a serious turnfight......THAT's one i'd never have expected to see.
The behavior he describes between the two arenas is spot on. I have to almost give enemies in LW my 6 to get them to engage. Sad. You keep buzzing around looking for easy picks in hordes though.
:aok
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Originally posted by AeroMexico 133
common misconception
Shut it shades boi!
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Originally posted by mtnman
My experiences in the EW and MW were almost entirely LAME. @0 on one team, 3 on another, and 2 on the last.
I always joined the low # team, trying to find a decent fight. I got ganged for my efforts. And not lightly. I wish it was ONLY 6-7 vs 1. I felt like the little fish from the Nemo movie, with all the seagulls screaming MINE! MINE! MINE!
Ridiculous. Bunch of gangbangers swarming undefended bases.
I'd log off before going back.
Plenty of good fights can be found in the MA's. You just need to be a little smarter than the swarm. The possibility / likelihood of others jumping into your fights is a very large part of why the MA is interesting. It keeps your SA active.
Can't handle the heat? Go to the DA or TA for some 1v1's.
Most of the people playing this game can't handle a 1v1 with any chance of survival anyway. Why should you feel special about beating them 1v1. You call it a fair fight when you obviously are so much more skilled than them? Wanna race to cut a tree down- one guy gets a bow saw, the other gets a chainsaw? Fair right? They each have one blade...
MtnMan
Who are you talking to?:D
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Zaz, u know I respect your thoughts on this matter as we have been through this as foes and squaddies, but if everyone only flew to only engage when they knew there was no risks, this game would be the most boring game on the net! Most of the fun in this game comes when one is risking something!:aok
I'm not saying to engage only when there's no risks. No risks, no rewards is as true in air combat as in business. What I am saying is there is a point of diminishing returns whereby if a poor position is pushed too far the inevitable outcome is always negative. Similiarly in the afformentioned example where someone flew a good ways to be the 4th man in, that is a poor decision, a virtually zero risk decision but a poor one. Why waste all that time and E for at best a 25% shot at a kill? Makes no sense at all.
In my opinion flying a cartoon combat sortie is alot like playing a musical instrument. To play it well you have to keep everything balanced. To play too safe is to not get many kills, to play too recklessly is to die too much. In the middle is a beautiful place, called combat efficiency. It's what I look for every flight. That esoteric realm can be found in any plane with any flying style and does not require extreme cowardice or extreme reckless abandon, just good judgement.
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Whoa...25% is bad?:confused:
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Originally posted by Phil
Thanks guys !
Many of you made some good points !!!
Slapshot ! We see ya in the mid war !
You are a DAMN good stick !
You have "filled" my rear end with lead more than I wished ! LOL
And on the odd occasion, I returned the favor:rofl
Slapshot I know that you have top numbers for fighter ranks !
Is it fair to say that a large majority of your kills would be in the late arenas? And if so, those kills are they easier and faster done than the mid war scraps ?
When you guys(Bi-polar / Dextur / Storch / Zip etc... ) fight in Mid, are the scraps more challenging ?
It would be great to see you guys in Early and Mid more often !
Phil
I very rarely fly the MW arenas anymore for all the reasons that you have mentioned ... and a few more ... so 99% of my kills are in the MW arena.
I don't understand why people say they can't find fights in the MW ... I found 467 things to kill last camp ... go figure.
Originally posted by SkyRock
When on the occasions that aI do go in EW MW, I find that most are in there to avoid contact with the enemy. when you do find a fight, it is usually from a fella that is looking for one(this goes for any arena). There is no more better sticks in one than the other.
I have to disagree with the first sentence and completely agree with the rest.
Your first sentence ... for me, is exactly what I find in the LW (unless they are flying in numbers).
In my experiences in the LW as of late ... the first sign of one losing an advantage ... they run like a scalded dog ... where as in the MW, unless they are in an LA-5, the plane set does not allow one to "exit stage right" as easily as they can in the LW with the late war monsters.
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Somehow i seem to always have fun no matter what im in the mood for...its disheartening to find out from reading this thread that i am actually doing it all wrong...
disillusioned:(
falconwing
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Originally posted by Phil
I wish that those pilots in the late wars should come out more often in the mid and early war arenas and really test their skills during even odds.
Take the boxing gloves off and fight bare fists ! LOL
I'm sure many would get a good reality check !
Salute !
Please don't delude yourself into thinking that just because you fly in the EW and MW arenas that you're some how better skilled than the player that flies in the LW arenas.
ack-ack
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turning and burning = fun, but how much challenge is there in flyin a H2C or a Spit? "do I yank the stick 3/4 of the way back or ALLLLLlll the way back?" The mind reels (must admit I AM likin MW more)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Please don't delude yourself into thinking that just because you fly in the EW and MW arenas that you're some how better skilled than the player that flies in the LW arenas.
With do all respect Ack Ack !
That was not my intention !
Maybe because my first language is french, sometimes my thoughts are tricky to write down.
Many top notch pilots deserve where they rank ! No need to mention the pilots. We all know off hand who they are....
But there's a good pourcentage outhere with "smack" attitudes and with 300kills at the end of the month that can't barely survive a One on One scrap !
Why 300kills ? Because they fly and fight "cheap" victories !
Anyway ! Tried making conversation without OFFENDING and DISRESPECTING anyone !
I'm just an average pilot that's all !
Salute
Phil
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Originally posted by Zazen13
by successfull I mean down as many aircraft as possible without getting yourself wacked
Reasonable minds can disagree on whether this is a good definition of "successful."
- oldman
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Originally posted by Stang
You keep buzzing around looking for easy picks in hordes though.
:aok
Huh? I've only ever run into you once in the arenas and that was in a plane I didn't really (and still don't) know. You have no idea of what or how I fly.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
:rofl :lol :rofl
one- this is not war, it's a game.
two- I think that's dweeby
three- also I consider it a form of killstealing
four- I find that only timid vets and skilless dweebs would take the time to fly out to a 3 on 1:aok
:cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by RELIC
I'm glad this topic has FINALLY been brought up. It certainly has never been discussed before... :rolleyes:
:D
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Somehow i seem to always have fun no matter what im in the mood for...its disheartening to find out from reading this thread that i am actually doing it all wrong...
disillusioned:(
falconwing
yup....been doin it all wrong as well....what ever should i do?:cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Zaz, u know I respect your thoughts on this matter as we have been through this as foes and squaddies, but if everyone only flew to only engage when they knew there was no risks, this game would be the most boring game on the net! Most of the fun in this game comes when one is risking something!:aok
That is not true Sky :furious Zaz always takes a risk when he dives in. First of all, he risks losing altitude. We all know how fun is gaining that but he is willing to risk it all for the fight. Second, he ir taking the risk of the guy he is attacking either geting a chk6 or not being on autoclime. What then ehh? That situation can cause him to miss, risk losing ammo, and having to make a second pass at a con that know knows he is there. That could lead to further loss of altitude and a couple of holes on the wings.
So, as you can see there are risks in every situation. Sometimes the guy you think is AFK, is not
:rofl
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Originally posted by Phil
But there's a good pourcentage outhere with "smack" attitudes and with 300kills at the end of the month that can't barely survive a One on One scrap !
Why 300kills ? Because they fly and fight "cheap" victories !
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:rofl True dat. Once in a while one of them will get confused in the process and drop his guard. Then they start talking and eventually end up in the DA. A name change or a breakdown follows after that :rofl
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hey phil seriously look up ded, jaxxo,SR, Batfink, skatsr etc... these guys are great and will teach you alot, dont give up hope on the lw arenas either i actually get to fight alot of good fights in lw, me and ded, and jaxxo, and some other guys had a round a while back. im sure if you pm these guys theyd be very willing to teach ya stuff
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Originally posted by evenhaim
hey phil seriously look up ded, jaxxo,SR, Batfink, skatsr etc... these guys are great and will teach you alot, dont give up hope on the lw arenas either i actually get to fight alot of good fights in lw, me and ded, and jaxxo, and some other guys had a round a while back. im sure if you pm these guys theyd be very willing to teach ya stuff
Well, yeah, but I would not recomend learning from Jaxxo. There is a reason he was voted off the squad
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Thanks again guys !
Your input is well taken !
:aok :aok :aok
Phil
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, yeah, but I would not recomend learning from Jaxxo. There is a reason he was voted off the squad
news to me....:o
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Originally posted by evenhaim
news to me....:o
Shhhhhhh, he dont know yet :O
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lolz
if you dont mind pm big moma plz