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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flint on August 11, 2007, 05:54:48 PM
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Just been down the pub with an old friend and up he comes with this new tidbit of information... he can find buried pipes.
Of course I insist he prove this, and he did - found all the drainage within 10ft of my back door. Ever the sceptic I ask for lesson, which he gives, then send him inside. I mark out where the crossings happen for me on my lawn surreptitiously.
Tom then proceeds to validate my findings with corresponding readings of his own.
Am kinda freaked out at the mo but in a real happy way - there's definately something going on here.
Any other diviners out there?
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I can find buried pipes also with a detector and a shovel
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There you go - there is a device that can do this - is there that much of a leap to a human doing it to? Power source & a bit of wiring....
I mean computers can add and subtract just fine - is no mirracle when a 5yr old performs the same feat.
Am serious - this has kinda opened my eyes, and I'm from a well scientific background.
This was a double blind test and it got beat - just wondered if anyone else has come across this kinda thing
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I saw the Amazing Randi test a Dowser on TV once. The Dowser was completely humiliated.
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My dowsing stick works much better if I store it in my crystalline pyramid.
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I can find PVC pipes by dowsing and do so routinely. furthermore I have taught the technique to many people who have worked with me for years. it works. it works 100% of the time in locating where there is flowing water. I take two coat hangers and fashion an L shape out of each. holding the hangers loosely in my hand with the long part point straight out I walk the proposed dig site. when the hangers move in towards each other and touch I have a pipe. I crouch low to the ground and repeat the process if I get a second hit we dig with a shovel and locate the pipe.
I don't know if dowsing works for finding ground water hundreds of feet down under the ground though.
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Been dowsing for over 40 years now. Wire, pipe, copper, pvc, you name it you can find it. With a bit of practise you can find blockages in sewer pipes and shut off valves also.
I Seldom do water as we live in a giant lake bed left over from the last glacial age. 4 feet down we have clay from 100 - 200 feet deep with gravel below that. So there is water everywhere, but not much close to the surface.
On a good day I can find a silver dollar hidden by friends in about 5 minutes .
However the second I try to profit by it, or use it to impress someone the gift is gone and I end up looking the fool.
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There is no scientific basis for dowsing.
source (http://skepdic.com/dowsing.html) James Randi tested some dowsers using a protocol they all agreed upon. If they could locate water in underground pipes at an 80% success rate they would get $10,000 (now the prize is over $1,000,000). All the dowsers failed the test, though each claimed to be highly successful in finding water using a variety of non-scientific instruments, including a pendulum. Says Randi, "the sad fact is that dowsers are no better at finding water than anyone else. Drill a well almost anywhere in an area where water is geologically possible, and you will find it."
But I can dowse ghosts and bigfoot.
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$1,000,000 bucks coming my way then.
Holden - I'm a scientist. I like what Richard Dawkins says. As a teanager my father subscribed to the Sceptical Inquireur and I read them voraciously on the loo. (Father last of the black tie IBM lot - mother a teacher).
I'm a skeptic - "proove it" - been saying that all my life.
Tonight it kinda got prooved to me - hence the post, and it turns out I can do it too.
2 guys mark the same 2 spots in a 20x20ft lawn - within 3inches. Somethings going on. And there was no way one saw what the other did.
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Contractors are experts at finding underground water lines
Just give them a backhoe and you are guaranteed a found water line that never existed there before :rofl
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Contractors are experts at finding underground water lines
Just give them a backhoe and you are guaranteed a found water line that never existed there before :rofl
Especially if they work for phone companies... but they're better with ditch witches.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
There is no scientific basis for dowsing.
But I can dowse ghosts and bigfoot.
I don't need a million dollars I just need to not knock out Mrs. smith's watermain on the day before thanksgiving while drilling post holes for her new fence. what I do works ok for that and I'm well pleased.
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Dousing works. My Dad taught me when I was a kid. You have to use brass rods bent 90 degrees. The real trick is to keep them absolutely level. When they cross, you are over a pipe.
Devining is something completely different and altho I have done it, I'm not completely sold on it. The trick to that is using a willow branch that hasn't been cut for very long.
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I used to work for a company that located buried electric,telephone,and natural gas lines. We were the company that you called if you wanted to do any digging with equipment. We would mark the lines with corresponding colors to mark the lines.
Red: electric
Yellow: natural gas
Orange:telephone
Plastic natural gas lines are buried with a tracer wire attached to the line so all we had to do was hook up to the tracer line to find the gas main or gas service line to a house,busines........etc.
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My father in law back in 1973 needed a well dug for their property up north. They brought in a neighbor who used a willow branch, the well is still good to this day. Most of the neighbors that went the "professional" route, had theirs dry up and needed to be re-drilled.
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I’m trying to figure out what you guys are all talking about and I think I finally have it; I must point out, however, that you forgot the “h”.
You must be talking about “douching” not “dousing”.
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Scientists don't like dowsing because they can not reproduce it in the lab.
However it is based on the earths magnetic field, all we are really doing is using our body as a detector. The rods btw do not have to be brass, any 90 degree angle rod will work. Steel, copper, iron, wood, plastic, doesn't matter unless you THINK it matters. Although brass rods are very popular, and coat hangers make a great starting set.
I have 3 sets of rods that I use depending on conditions.
One set is simply bent pieces of 1/4" soft copper pipe.
One set is Chrome plated Steel, long and heavy they still work in a stiff breeze.
Last set is a pair of CB antenna with fancy buttons on the tip. These are very light and super sensitive.
If you want to know more I suggest you look up Tom Graves excellent book.
Dowsing - Techniques and Applications, same book was reprinted later as
The Diviner's Handbook
Truly a good read, and will give you lots to think about.
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"Dowsing for water has been scientifically investigated in two studies, the Munich study in the late 1980s and the Kassel study in 2004, both referring to the locations in Germany in which these experiments were performed. Both studies failed to conclusively prove that dowsing is more than guesswork. Yet, the authors of the Munich study contended that a few of the 500 dowsers tested:[9]
in particular tasks, showed an extraordinarily high rate of success, which can scarcely if at all be explained as due to chance ... a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven ...
Researcher and skeptic Jim T. Enright reviewed the data from the Munich tests and disputed these claims, while in the Kassel study the dowsers fared no better than chance.
[edit] Munich
The scientific study[10] of dowsing in Munich, Germany was performed in 1987 to 1988 and involved more than 500 dowsers in more than 10,000 double-blind tests.[1]
Five hundred dowsers were initially tested for their "skill", and the experimenters selected the best 43 among them. These 43 were then tested in the following way. On the ground floor of a two-story barn, water was pumped through a pipe; before each test, this pipe was moved in a direction perpendicular to the water flow. On the upper floor, each dowser was asked to determine the position of the pipe. Over two years, the 43 dowsers performed 843 such tests. Of the 43 pre-selected and extensively tested candidates, at least 37 of them showed no dowsing ability. The results from the remaining 6 were said to be better than chance, resulting in the experimenters' conclusion that "a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven."[9]
[edit] Enright responds
Five years after the Munich study was published, scientist and skeptic Jim T. Enright contended that these results are merely consistent with statistical fluctuations and do not demonstrate any real ability.[11] He noted that the best tester was on average 4 millimeters out of 10 meters closer to a mid-line guess, an advantage of 0.0004% advantage. The study's authors responded[12] but Enright remains unconvinced.[13]
[edit] Kassel
More recently, a study[14] was undertaken in Kassel, Germany, under the direction of the Gesellschaft zur wissenschaftlichen Untersuchung von Parawissenschaften (GWUP) [Society for the Scientific Investigation of the Parasciences]. The three-day test of some 30 dowsers involved plastic pipes through which a large flow of water could be controlled and directed. The pipes were buried 50 centimeters under a level field. On the surface, the position of each pipe was marked with a colored stripe, so all the dowsers had to do was tell whether there was water running through the pipe. All the dowsers signed a statement agreeing this was a fair test of their abilities and that they expected a 100 percent success rate. However, the results were no better than what would have been expected by chance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing
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Originally posted by Heretic
I used to work for a company that located buried electric,telephone,and natural gas lines. We were the company that you called if you wanted to do any digging with equipment. We would mark the lines with corresponding colors to mark the lines.
Red: electric
Yellow: natural gas
Orange:telephone
Plastic natural gas lines are buried with a tracer wire attached to the line so all we had to do was hook up to the tracer line to find the gas main or gas service line to a house,busines........etc.
Hehe.
I built swinging entrance gates for an insurance company due to their parking lot receiving damage after work hours from trucks turning around.
It was on a main road leading into an industrial park. All the main lines ran through there.
The city sent out a locater for their line. It was spot on.
The gas company sent out locater. Spot on.
The phone company sent out their locater. He was 12 ft off. Guess where the main phone line was. :D
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So, why don't some of you dowsers go and collect the money from Randi? Just prove your dowsing works and walk home a rich man.