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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ccloughh on August 12, 2007, 02:56:26 PM
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helicopters would be fun maybe for some resupply or carrry 3 troops like the jeep
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I wasnt aware they had helicopters in WWII.
Maybe because they didnt.
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mmmmm i was searching online just before i made this post and i found that they did.
they didnt do anything good and the werent that impressive but i belive that they were there
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Originally posted by Motherland
I wasnt aware they had helicopters in WWII.
Maybe because they didnt.
(http://www.helis.com/stories/burma45.jpg)
Peterson's YR-4, with escorting L-5, refueling enroute to mountain rescue
Chindwin River, Burma
1/26/45 AAF photo from National Air & Space Museum archives
link http://www.helis.com/stories/burma45.php
Bronk
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Might be useful in scenarios or for 8" gun spotting
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Or for 5" target practice
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Originally posted by ccloughh
helicopters would be fun maybe for some resupply or carrry 3 troops like the jeep
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yay after 1 year of playing i have finally been called a noob ty very much i will write this date on my AH date book
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Originally posted by ccloughh
yay after 1 year of playing i have finally been called a noob ty very much i will write this date on my AH date book
wierd...
use the search button on the top left we aheva lready have this disscusion
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Originally posted by trotter
Or for 5" target practice
:rofl
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german made a few "dragonflies" heli. but too few for mass use. about 50 or so. and top speed was like 200mph. how long do you think it will last in AH.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
wierd...
use the search button on the top left we aheva lready have this disscusion
i would but it dosent wanna work on my computer
dont know why.
but anyway sorry for the thread then just putting in my 2 cents
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Originally posted by ccloughh
yay after 1 year of playing i have finally been called a noob ty very much i will write this date on my AH date book
I put ccloughh in the score thing one year ago and nothing...what was youre old handle?
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i have had a few my last one was cclough
and i cant remember b4 that short term mem.
anyway they were only a month at a time so there has been alot
been flyin with the bats for a wile as cclough and ccloughh
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Originally posted by Bosco123
wierd...
use the search button on the top left we aheva lready have this disscusion
beat me to it... jeez...
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the button even works :cool:
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Originally posted by trotter
Or for 5" target practice
"PULL!"
BOOM!
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Originally posted by ccloughh
yay after 1 year of playing i have finally been called a noob ty very much i will write this date on my AH date book
I LOVE YOU KIDS! Amaze me every day.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
"PULL!"
BOOM!
Tee Hee :D
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HEY ccloughh Ive already requested a helo and got shot down but the funny thing is HiTech Like the Idea at the CON in 06 I support ya
BRING ON THE HELOS!!!!11one
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You can look up title- chopper- under my name and it gives the chopper that flew in WWII It was called a hoverfly II I had found a link were it had a bomb rack that had 4,100 pound bombs but the link in my last post isnt the same. Bronk saw were the hoverfly had a bomb rack you can ask him.
RED:aok
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http://www.pbyrescue.com/Aircraft/r-6a.htm
:huh
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Kolibri Fl 282
(http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/helicopter%20history/images/30.jpg)
Anton Flettner Kolibri
Anton Flettner was a German aeronautical scientist who experimented with helicopters in the 1930s. He built his first helicopter in 1930—a complicated and odd-looking craft, and realized it was not a practical helicopter design. It was destroyed during a tethered flight in 1933, and Flettner turned his attention to autogyros. He built a craft called the Fl 184, which had full cyclic control that allowed the pilot to tilt the rotor by moving the control stick in the direction that he wanted to fly.
Flettner's initial Fl 184 design was successful, so the inventor added power to the main rotor. He also developed a collective pitch control, which allowed the pilot to increase the pitch of all of the lifting blades simultaneously. Flettner also removed the autogyro's main propeller and replaced it with two smaller propellers on outriggers located on the side.
In 1937, while the Focke-Achgelis Fa 61 was making its impressive test flights, Flettner began developing the Fl 265. This was a small helicopter, compared to its only contemporary, the Focke-Achgelis Fa 223. The Fl 265, which was called a synchropter because of its rotor configuration, had two counter-rotating rotors set close together and splayed outwards. The rotors intermeshed like the blades of an eggbeater. Flettner received a small production contract from the German Navy in 1938, and the aircraft made its first flight in May 1939. The aircraft proved impressively controllable in flight and was a major improvement over the Focke-Achgelis designs.
In 1940, Flettner debuted an improved version designated the Fl 282 Kolibri (hummingbird). The Kolibri could fly at almost 90 miles per hour (145 kilometres per hour), could reach 13,000 feet (3,962 meters), and could carry an 800-pound (383-kilogram) load. The fuselage was approximately 21.5 feet (6.5 meters) long, and the craft was 7.2 feet (2.1 meters) high. The rotor diameter was approximately 39.2 feet (12 meters) and had the same synchropter configuration as the earlier Fl 265.
The Fl 282 Kolibri was the first to use two closely intermeshing rotors. Designed by Anton Flettner in 1939, it was put into quantity production by Germany during World War II. It was powered with a 138-hp engine and had good performance and flying characteristics.
A Siemens-Halske Sh14A engine providing 150 to 160 horsepower (112 to 119 kilowatts) powered the Kolibri Fl 282. The radial engine was mounted in the centre fuselage, with a small propeller to draw in cooling air. A transmission was mounted on the engine crankcase front. It ran a driveshaft connected to an upper gearbox that split the power into two opposite rotating drive-shafts that turned the rotors.
Flettner designed his craft to carry two people, a pilot and an observer. The pilot sat in front of the rotors in an open cockpit affording good visibility. The observer sat in a single compartment behind the rotors, facing the rear. The observer could spot submarines at sea or troop movements on the battlefield. The Kolibri was one of the first helicopters designed with a clear military mission.
The German Navy (Kriegsmarine) was impressed with the Kolibri and wanted to evaluate its use for submarine spotting. However, critics argued that fighter planes would easily attack the slow-flying craft. In 1941, the Navy conducted an evaluation using two fighter planes to stage a mock attack on a Fl 265. The fighters could not hold the agile craft in their gun-sights.
Flettner also demonstrated that the little craft could land on a ship, even in heavy seas. Naval leaders were impressed and, in 1940, ordered several dozen of the craft with the clear intention of mass-producing them. Allied bombing ended production efforts, but 24 of the aircraft still entered service, with a number of them being used for escort service, flying off the gun turrets of ships to spot submarines, and performing re-supply missions even in poor weather conditions. The German Army also evaluated this type of aircraft.
The Fl 282 served in the Baltic, North Aegean, and Mediterranean Seas. Only three of the craft survived the war; the Germans destroyed the rest to prevent them from falling into Allied hands. Two of the survivors went to the United States and Britain, the third to the Soviet Union.
The Fl 282 was designed so the rotor blades and landing gear could be removed and the helicopter stored in a compact area such as the pressure tank of a U-boat. There is no evidence that it was ever used this way. It was intended to search for submarines, and in the fairly clear waters of the Mediterranean, a pilot could see a submerged submarine as deep as 130 feet (40 meters). He could match the speed and course of the submarine and radio the position to the convoy. The pilot could also mark the sub's position with a smoke bomb. But the helicopter was too small to carry weapons, although some tests were conducted with small anti-submarine bombs. There is no good information on the helicopter's actual use during the war.
The Kolibri's intermeshing rotors represented the fourth approach to solving the control and torque problems, after Bréguet's stacked coaxial counter-rotating blades, Focke's widely spaced counter-rotating blades, and Sikorsky's tail rotor. The Kaman Huskie, which saw U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine service during the 1950s and 1960s, and the Kaman K-Max single-seat aerial crane used this design in the 1990s. The design has not proven to be long lasting or popular. The biggest problems with this design are that the helicopters are slow compared to other types and the rotors endanger people on the ground.
The Fl 282 is most notable for pioneering the Naval use of helicopters, particularly for hunting submarines. However, it would be many years before a helicopter was produced that routinely succeeded in this mission.
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good luck finding a WWII era helicopter
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Ace8765
good luck finding a WWII era helicopter
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
read thread before you post and you'll see the helicopters
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Originally posted by RAIDER14
read thread before you post and you'll see the helicopters
What he said Kamikaze boi.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
What he said Kamikaze boi.
pwnt
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:rofl :rofl :O :rofl
I would say so!!!!
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Allied bombing ended production efforts, but 24 of the aircraft still entered service, with a number of them being used for escort service, flying off the gun turrets of ships to spot submarines, and performing re-supply missions even in poor weather conditions.
I'd love it if we could up a chopper off of the destroyers or cruisers to resupply a field or bring troops in; beats the lvt anyway :)
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exactly i would love to fly a chopper in instead of an lvt
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Originally posted by Ace8765
good luck finding a WWII era helicopter
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
ye hes just asking to get flamed:confused: :confused: :) ;)
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Originally posted by Gryphons
I'd love it if we could up a chopper off of the destroyers or cruisers to resupply a field or bring troops in; beats the lvt anyway :)
It said it could carry a pilot and an observer. Good luck making ten trips back and forth to capture a feild :confused:
So, I was wrong... Ill admit it... but...
The American craft was used as a medevac and the German used as a spotter. So, they really dont have a point in Aces High.
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Ummm, it can RESUPPLY fields, and i didn't mean that one man could capture a field with a single chopper, yes it would take a couple. It could also be something to use our bomber perks on. And it should maybe be limited too, say 15 per cv group per half hour with a max of 15 per carrier. Also, it would make HTC the only flight sim with a WWII era chopper to play around in, it won't be a huge selling point, but it's something different. So that being said I do beleive it has a place in the game. I'm also not saying I want it immediatly, there are many other things I'd like to see in game, such as barrage balloons, more Italian aircraft, and German bombers but it's definatly a valid wish.
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However, they had no impact on the war and were not a common sight. They have as much place in the game as the F-80 Shooting Star.
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The game is about fun, and I'm sure many would have alot of fun with these. I know they were rare so perk them simialar to a tempest (bomber perks tho). I think many would have fun gv spotting with them too; enough of a perk would keep them rare enough in the arena while still giving us an aircraft unique to the flight sim world.
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Well, then, why not put in the F-80? That would be fun, and would also be a fair counter to the Me-262.
Actually, however, the necessarily qualifications for the inclusion of something in the game are fairly well known, and the helicopter doesn't them.
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Originally posted by titanic3
german made a few "dragonflies" heli. but too few for mass use. about 50 or so. and top speed was like 200mph. how long do you think it will last in AH.
If the top speed was 200mph, they'd last about as long as a Goon
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Would helicopter flight even be possible in AH without a major recoding?
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I know the Germans used helicopters and i heard they performed the first medivac, plus that Sikorsky helicopter(was it Russian or US) i know it was used also.
But still, they were slow, turn would be unmatched(atleast for the sikorsky).
I would rather not have these as they were combat aircraft like a Ju87 or P51 was.