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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Boxboy on August 12, 2007, 06:33:02 PM
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I wish there was a way to record how many of a guy's kills were due to a Head On attack.
I bet the total number of kills gotten that way in this game would astound everyone.
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Originally posted by Boxboy
I bet the total number of kills gotten that way in this game would astound everyone.
Yep. I bet there is an amazing number of people that don't even even try to dodge a HO, then blame everyone else for their cartoonish death ;)
Rule #1 - Stay out of your enemy's gun arc while
Rule #2 - Put him into your's
When I fail to follow #1, I tend to die a lot. And it's all my fault.
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Originally posted by Lusche
then blame everyone else for their cartoonish death ;)
Yes. It takes 2 to HO :)
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Originally posted by SpikesX
Yes. It takes 2 to HO :)
takes one to fire :)
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Fun to trick them into thinking you'll Head on them, then they will blast away while you get on their 6.
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it takes 2 to HO.
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Originally posted by Snubby
it takes 2 to HO.
Great statement, of course it has ZERO bearing on what I requested.
I simply stated that if we knew the number of HO kills in the game we would be astounded, I am of the opinion that the number is well above 50% of the kills but it is only an opinion.
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Originally posted by Snubby
it takes 2 to HO.
Rule #3
If you ever need to know for sure who is clueless and an easy kill, look for statemets like the above
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up yours
:aok
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Originally posted by Snubby
up yours
:aok
Hehehe, comon, admit it. You die 10 seconds after you miss the HO dont you?
Whats your ingame ID? I bet you have something like 0.05 HOs/Hour on the scoring page :rofl
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I never HO. I make them think I'm going to HO then i barrel roll, turn hard, and im on their 6. So fun to see them still flying straight not knowing where i went. :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yep. I bet there is an amazing number of people that don't even even try to dodge a HO, then blame everyone else for their cartoonish death ;)
it's also amazing the number of people that cry HO when it wasn't even remotely anything approaching a HO. "You HO'd me!" has become the standard attempt at soothing an ego that was bruised by being shot down. Regardless of what kind of shot it was, these certain people always immediately get on 200 and whine about being HO'd.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
it's also amazing the number of people that cry HO when it wasn't even remotely anything approaching a HO. "You HO'd me!" has become the standard attempt at soothing an ego that was bruised by being shot down. Regardless of what kind of shot it was, these certain people always immediately get on 200 and whine about being HO'd.
ack-ack
LOL, yup. Or people attempt to belittle you on a private txt channel.
.... .squelch whinetard
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Originally posted by Boxboy
I wish there was a way to record how many of a guy's kills were due to a Head On attack.
I bet the total number of kills gotten that way in this game would astound everyone.
How in the heck could you define exactly what does and what doesn't count as a "HO"??? First you would have to get a agreeable definition of what a "HO" is in the first place, not to mention the difficulties in trying to determine when one actually happened thanks in part to things like net lag, and the various time/player/perspective issues as well.
Daft idea, sorry.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Yep. I bet there is an amazing number of people that don't even even try to dodge a HO, then blame everyone else for their cartoonish death
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
it's also amazing the number of people that cry HO when it wasn't even remotely anything approaching a HO. "You HO'd me!" has become the standard attempt at soothing an ego that was bruised by being shot down. Regardless of what kind of shot it was, these certain people always immediately get on 200 and whine about being HO'd.
ack-ack
An interesting question: Which is worse?
1) The guy who actively participates in HOs, but whines when he loses them (per Lusche).
OR
2) The guy who whines about HOing when there wasn't one (per AKAK).
It seems to me, if you are barreling in guns blazing, you are as "guilty" of the HO as the other guy.
And, if you tried to avoid it, but did so too late giving the opponent a front-quarter shot that he lands, it again is your fault for making your move too late.
Either way, I agree with AKAK that the whining is all about bruised egos.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
it's also amazing the number of people that cry HO when it wasn't even remotely anything approaching a HO. "You HO'd me!" has become the standard attempt at soothing an ego that was bruised by being shot down. Regardless of what kind of shot it was, these certain people always immediately get on 200 and whine about being HO'd.
ack-ack
How true... I so want to post a name here right now, but ill refrain. I think we both can guess the handle :)
(no its not you)
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The only way a computer could determine if damage were taken in an HO is if it actively tracked everybody's gun solutions at all times. Then if you took damage from somebody's fixed forward guns while you had also had a gun solution, then it could say it was an HO.
Mind you, it would register occasional false hits too as brief crossing shots that both parties could have taken would register as full on HOs.
And in the end, very, very few HOs would be detected this way and people would then whine like babies about the computer not detecting HOs when somebody had the gall to shoot them from a 20 degree front deflection shot.
Bad idea.
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I get what you guys are saying about some people just having bruised egos, but I wouldn't write everyone off who complains about HO's (or, HM's :D ) as having a "bruised ego," especially considering many of the people who whine about HO's in the game are perfectly content to get their butts handed to them a hundred times in a row in the DA.
The bruised ego theory just doesn't hold much water for such types, and is a bit of a cop-out, in my opinion, that maybe helps your own bruised egos when you realize you got lazy and went for the face shot ;)
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I dunno. I never go for frontal shots unless I judge it is the best option.
I well remember having a Tiffie pilot go off on me hard because I nailed him in a 30-40 degree frontal shot while flying the Mossie. Given the relative power of the two aircraft and my 1) low E state and 2) bomb laden state, I figured going for the fast kill was my best bet at making it.
And even then it was far from an HO.
I actually can't recall every getting whined at by a guy who went for the HO on my Mossie and lost. The whiners are always guys who thought they had an sure kill and lost it to a deflection shot on the merge.
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Originally posted by E25280
Either way, I agree with AKAK that the whining is all about bruised egos.
Sometimes maybe. You guys think of HO being 2 guys heading towards eachother blasting away. I don't thing anyone ever gets a ping on me like that. The most anoing HOs are the ones that come in when you already are fighting 2 or 3 guys and you have very litle speed to avoid him.
That is not a bruised ego. It is a waste of my time. I don't like my time wasted like that. Most of the times they dont get the kill anyway. They just do enough damage for he other guys to finish the job.
So really, it is not bruized egos. It is the question of why? Why did you waste my time? Why did you get in a plane clime to 10K and dive down to 1K to get an assist? Why are you wasting your time in this game when you could be plaing SoCom or something like that? Why are you in a fighter but dont want to fight? It does not make any sence what so ever. Why do you want to win wiithout even trying?
Easy answer. You know you cant. You dont even know who is in that plane and you still think you cant. If you thought you could you would try. So, everyone supporting that kind of fighting is because he knows he cant. Eventually these guys will graduate to cherry picking but that requires a litle more SA
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
it's also amazing the number of people that cry HO when it wasn't even remotely anything approaching a HO. "You HO'd me!" has become the standard attempt at soothing an ego that was bruised by being shot down. Regardless of what kind of shot it was, these certain people always immediately get on 200 and whine about being HO'd.
My favorite HO accusation is when someone is diving below me on the merge and I rake the top of his plane 400 yards away as he passes under me. Yup...that's an HO. :)
In all seriousness. What's rule #1...keep the enemy in front of you. When you have 2 people trying to do that exact same thing, at some point one or the other is going to take the HO shot. I don't care if it's the best ACM pilot or not. One or both of them WILL eventually take the shot.
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Originally posted by NHawk
My favorite HO accusation is when someone is diving below me on the merge and I rake the top of his plane 400 yards away as he passes under me. Yup...that's an HO. :)
You should read my "How about instead of a HO..." thread in the general... What you just described there is pretty fitting with what I was talking about.
People are calling it a HO, when it's really just a hot merge on your part, while you're smiling because you know darn right it's not actually a HO, but in any case, if it's a 1 v 1, it's just as lame, regardless :D
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Originally posted by Spatula
How in the heck could you define exactly what does and what doesn't count as a "HO"??? First you would have to get a agreeable definition of what a "HO" is in the first place, not to mention the difficulties in trying to determine when one actually happened thanks in part to things like net lag, and the various time/player/perspective issues as well.
Daft idea, sorry.
Spatula I am surprised at you, it would done the same way all the other amazing stuff is done in AH.
I COAD would have to figure out that stuff :D
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Guys I already posted a request about the hoing problem on the wishlist. I think that when there is a collision even if not intended both planes should fall from the sky. And nobody should be awarded a kill. And for the hoers who do do it to get a kill that would make them have to learn how to dogfight. I know it takes two to hoe but sometimes there is nothing u can do about it. So why don't we just make it like real life and have both planes go down when they collide and no one get a kill.
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Originally posted by LCPD23
I think that when there is a collision even if not intended both planes should fall from the sky. .
That would practically mean: Someone flying towards you, you skillfully dodge him, he passes you with a distance of 100yds .. and suddenly you go "boom" because of a collsion that never happened on your computer at all. Only on his.
That way intentional rams would finally always work
You don't want that, don't you? ;)
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Also before I get accused of being the hoe. I would like to say that I have had been a hoe before but not on purpose. If I get a kill I usually type on private and say sorry and give a salute I will usually tell the person where I am and what plane I will be in so they can come and kill me without me putting up a fight. Just my way of letting them get payback but nobody has took me up on the offer lol.
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i don;t care about hoes as long as it shoots that plane down i am happy
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I wish there was a counter to see how many times a person has whined about HOs, and then a counter to see how many times that person has died participating in the HO situation. They act like they are victims, maneuver your plane and quit complaining.
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Originally posted by Boxboy
I simply stated that if we knew the number of HO kills in the game we would be astounded, I am of the opinion that the number is well above 50% of the kills but it is only an opinion.
Not a chance. Most of the kills in the arena come from a relatively small percentage of pilots, most of whom won't HO.
I'd guess it's WAY over 50% for relative noobs and WAY under for more skilled pilots.
I'll HO in the right situations but I'd guess it's only 1 in 10 or 20 kills.
The other question is are you only counting the initial merge or any time? Are you only counting 1 on 1 or in a furball?
Following the old 80/20 rule if 80% of the kills come from 20% of the pilots and 20% of those are HO's while 20% of the kills come from 80% of the pilots and 80% of those are HO's then the overall ratio is closer to 32%.
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Originally posted by LCPD23
I would like to say that I have had been a hoe before but not on purpose.
Money was tight?
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Money was tight?
ack-ack
LMAO:lol
Seriously, who needs more stats? Just focus on proper tactics, and shoot anything thats red.