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Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 09:36:08 AM
Here are some pictures from an R/C air show here in Cincy!!!
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/Kaw1000/120_2070.jpg)
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Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Halo on August 13, 2007, 09:44:18 AM
Fun pics.  How are the radio frequencies kept from interfering with each other in the same airspace?
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: storch on August 13, 2007, 09:46:15 AM
nice pics.  a question how do the pilots of the multi engine planes synchronize the props?
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 09:57:36 AM
Halo...there is a new radio system out now......It revolutionized the R/C world....There is a special reciever that goes in the plane ..the radio then identifies that reciever.....they say that this new system can find up to a Million different frequencys

Storch ....I have an electric P-38...the only issue is the counter rotating props........One prop is made differently than the other.....so there no counter torque...ie.....the plane doesn't vear off to left or right...because of torque
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: eskimo2 on August 13, 2007, 10:01:25 AM
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Originally posted by Halo
Fun pics.  How are the radio frequencies kept from interfering with each other in the same airspace?


Each radio and receiver pair is tuned to a different frequency.  Colored flags on the transmitter antenna indicate the frequency.  Dedicated fields have boards where you sign out on a particular frequency; you never turn your transmitter on without checking in first.
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 10:07:34 AM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Each radio and receiver pair is tuned to a different frequency.  Colored flags on the transmitter antenna indicate the frequency.  Dedicated fields have boards where you sign out on a particular frequency; you never turn your transmitter on without checking in first.


Right on!! This is the old system...there is a new system  on the market....its so new that there are few that have it....but it will eliminate this old system!
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Maverick on August 13, 2007, 10:45:10 AM
I have one of the new systems on my electric helicopter. No more checking to keep from interferring with another's rig. Nice use of digitalization technology.
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: eskimo2 on August 13, 2007, 10:54:54 AM
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Originally posted by Maverick
I have one of the new systems on my electric helicopter. No more checking to keep from interferring with another's rig. Nice use of digitalization technology.


How does it work?

Does every TX and RX have it's own totally unique frequency?
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 10:57:18 AM
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Originally posted by Maverick
I have one of the new systems on my electric helicopter. No more checking to keep from interferring with another's rig. Nice use of digitalization technology.


What kind do you have Mav?............I have a mx 400 I'm trying to build....had a honeybee king...it was junk......There was two heli drivers at the show....they sold all there gas Choppers, and are all electric now....these guys were good real good!!!
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Maverick on August 13, 2007, 11:03:10 AM
I just have a Blade CX2 coax heli. It's strictly a trainer but a blast to fly anyhow. I couldn't possibly afford the standard heli's. I'd be making splinters by the wheel barrow load.

I did get the FS simulator as well. A GREAT investment in saving parts and models. Pricey, but far less expensive than a half dozen crashes and rebuilds.
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: FBBone on August 13, 2007, 11:08:59 AM
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Originally posted by storch
nice pics.  a question how do the pilots of the multi engine planes synchronize the props?


Storch,

When flying multi-engine gas planes you use a photo-eye tachometer and match the engines RPMs as close as possible using the fuel mixture.

The tach:
(http://www2.gpmd.com/imagem/h/mhcap0401.jpg)
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: FBBone on August 13, 2007, 11:13:57 AM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
How does it work?

Does every TX and RX have it's own totally unique frequency?


AFAIK, once the RX "sees" its TX, it will simply reject all other RF signals.  They operate in the 2.4GHz band.

These guys started it all in 2.4GHz (http://www.spektrumrc.com/)
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Maverick on August 13, 2007, 11:16:32 AM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
How does it work?

Does every TX and RX have it's own totally unique frequency?


The best analogy I can give you is that it's very similar to garage door openers frequency discrimination. The receiver and tranmsitter are "introduced" to each other and make connection when they are powered up after the introduction. They rotate until they find a clear discreet signal from the other component that they were matched to. If they don't find the specific piece of equipment they don't operate.

If you have to get a replacement receiver or transmitter, there is a process to use to make the handshake bewtween the 2 units then you can operate as before.
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: eskimo2 on August 13, 2007, 11:32:54 AM
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Originally posted by Maverick
The best analogy I can give you is that it's very similar to garage door openers frequency discrimination. The receiver and tranmsitter are "introduced" to each other and make connection when they are powered up after the introduction. They rotate until they find a clear discreet signal from the other component that they were matched to. If they don't find the specific piece of equipment they don't operate.

If you have to get a replacement receiver or transmitter, there is a process to use to make the handshake bewtween the 2 units then you can operate as before.


Holy cow, that's amazing!
I have some old radios that are maybe 20 years old; are they even legal any more?
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Bosco123 on August 13, 2007, 11:47:07 AM
heres what happens in model airplanes.
diffrent frequencies or the new spectrum radio(which I have on a ll my planes) which finds its own frequency, is how we get started. Most engines have a screw or needle valve to tune the engine to the right RPM's. there are many diffrent engines but 4 main types of engines

Glows: have the needle valve
Gas: has a screw for tuning
electric: no tuning
Turbine: no tuning

I have a few airpalens myself so I know a few things. if your a modeler you know what types of plaes these are or a histroy buff

Zirroli F6F hellcat
Komet ME-163
Fiat centauro G-55
Hangar-9 P-51
and a P6-E "Hawk" those are a few

I have a video of my hellcat on youtube its the big blue thats landing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M9IvMIa0Es
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Maverick on August 13, 2007, 12:11:04 PM
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Holy cow, that's amazing!
I have some old radios that are maybe 20 years old; are they even legal any more?


Eskimo, I don't know if they are or not. You might want to check with an RC store or BBS and ask. Off hand my guess is 20 year old radios, they aren't legal but I could very easily be wrong.
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 12:17:35 PM
The problem with old radios is there range is too short...they are only good for a foodball field or so...they are AM radios.

Mav I have 2 cx2s and one cx....I modifyed them.......they are way fast and alot of fun to buzz around the house!!! Don't take them outside unless there is no wind what so ever!! I put lights on my CX with a spotlight in front.........I fly at night ...its a hoot!!!
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/Kaw1000/115_1541.jpg)
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Bosco123 on August 13, 2007, 12:21:29 PM
right the am radios are easy for radio interfence as I had one, it never worked
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 12:30:44 PM
Bosco  awsome video!!!!
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: 68slayr on August 13, 2007, 02:20:09 PM
that looks like fun but.....

with all those RCs where there any collisions :O
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: dedalos on August 13, 2007, 02:21:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
The problem with old radios is there range is too short...they are only good for a foodball field or so...they are AM radios.

Mav I have 2 cx2s and one cx....I modifyed them.......they are way fast and alot of fun to buzz around the house!!! Don't take them outside unless there is no wind what so ever!! I put lights on my CX with a spotlight in front.........I fly at night ...its a hoot!!!


Hehe, using the aluminum parts ehh?  I had to switch cause the plastic kept snaping everytime I pussed it too hard

How did you make it faster?
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: Kaw1000 on August 13, 2007, 03:01:56 PM
68slayr....there were no collisons but there were a few close calls.......One guy crashed because he felt like he was loosing control and it was headed for the crowd......so he nose dived it in the ground



Dedalos...herte is a link to the extreme motors for the blade cx2...there is a pretty big difference!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/HI-SPEED-VENTED-MOTOR-UPGRADE-FOR-BLADE-CX-CX2-LAMA_W0QQitemZ120150918508QQihZ002QQcategoryZ34056QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Air show pictures!!!
Post by: storch on August 13, 2007, 03:41:49 PM
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Originally posted by FBBone
Storch,

When flying multi-engine gas planes you use a photo-eye tachometer and match the engines RPMs as close as possible using the fuel mixture.

The tach:
(http://www2.gpmd.com/imagem/h/mhcap0401.jpg)
technology sure has impacted model flying!!!  thanks for the response.