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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on August 14, 2007, 10:56:12 AM
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June 2-3, 1942: Nearly six months to the day after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese struck again on American soil. The bombing of Dutch Harbor signalled the beginning of the Aleutian Campaign and led, in part, to the evacuation and internment of American civilians for the duration of the war.
On 6-7 June, 1942, the Japanese followed the Dutch Harbor raid with an invasion of American soil. After months of reconnaissance, they landed on Kiska and Attu Islands in the Western Aleutians, over 1,000 miles from Dutch Harbor.
1942 in the Aleutians
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Allies: A20G, P40B and P40E
Axis: A6M2, B5N2 and D3A1.
With C47 and M-series for both + the Jeep!
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SETTINGS
AvA standards will be used for most.
Historical radar
Fuel burn is 1.0
Visibility is 10.0 miles
Object down time is 60 minutes for all important
field objects (including AAA)
Base capture: 20 troops
All ack is 0.25.
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Ahem, 0s vs P40s? :O
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Originally posted by dedalos
Ahem, 0s vs P40s? :O
Listen, just because you can't turn-fight a P-40 against a Zero, does not mean you can not kill Zeros with it. Get your prettythang off the deck where you have zero options. (He he zero get it. It's a joke son, pay attention. Im throwing 'em but you 'aint catching 'em. The kid's about as sharp as a bag of hammers.) Read up on the tactics the AVG used against the Zero. Keep the fights fast, where the Zero "locks up". Set a hard deck 8-10K, if the fight starts to get below that it is time to dive away for home. FLY WITH A WINGMAN!!! He may turn and avoid you, but he may have set himself up with your wingman.
[GrumpyOldManVoice] Kids these days.
"Oh, boo hoo! I can only fly the P-40 against the Zero. Waa waa, I'll never get a kill."
Tell that to an AVG pilot and he would probably slap you silly. grumble...grumble...dang kids...grumble...grumble.[/GrumpyOldManVoice]
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How about throwing in the G as a stand in for the D and F models, since the D and the F models were there during the summer of '42.
Oh wait, i see...you wanna give the Japanese side a chance =)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Listen, just because you can't turn-fight a P-40 against a Zero, does not mean you can not kill Zeros with it. Get your prettythang off the deck where you have zero options. (He he zero get it. It's a joke son, pay attention. Im throwing 'em but you 'aint catching 'em. The kid's about as sharp as a bag of hammers.) Read up on the tactics the AVG used against the Zero. Keep the fights fast, where the Zero "locks up". Set a hard deck 8-10K, if the fight starts to get below that it is time to dive away for home. FLY WITH A WINGMAN!!! He may turn and avoid you, but he may have set himself up with your wingman.
[GrumpyOldManVoice] Kids these days.
"Oh, boo hoo! I can only fly the P-40 against the Zero. Waa waa, I'll never get a kill."
Tell that to an AVG pilot and he would probably slap you silly. grumble...grumble...dang kids...grumble...grumble.[/GrumpyOldManVoice]
:rofl I wish I could fly a P40 but can't. I ll give it a try though.
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I could add the P-38G and the Ki-61.
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Hey Fork, I think the AvA has been fun latetly. I think that is because of the plane sets - and the low numbers - but mainly the planes. Both sides have the planes to fight it out up high or in the dirt this week.
I think a setup that puts P40s or 38s against the 0s will force the US planes to clime high and hit and run only. Both cant turn with 0s and god fobit the P40 takes a BB on a wing it loses every hope it had.
I'll try it, but I think it will force peole not to engage unless they have an advantage or just BnZ.
Anyway, just my opinion
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This looks great. Just like old times. Don't be putting no 38 in there. I wish the parents were not visiting this weekend or I would be up 24/7.
On another note A20g is a bit much is that historical?
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Originally posted by ergRTC
This looks great. Just like old times. Don't be putting no 38 in there. I wish the parents were not visiting this weekend or I would be up 24/7.
On another note A20g is a bit much is that historical?
Who is this n00b???:rolleyes:
:D
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hehehe you are a funny man slash.
How are things?
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Originally posted by dedalos
Hey Fork, I think the AvA has been fun latetly. I think that is because of the plane sets - and the low numbers - but mainly the planes. Both sides have the planes to fight it out up high or in the dirt this week.
I think a setup that puts P40s or 38s against the 0s will force the US planes to clime high and hit and run only. Both cant turn with 0s and god fobit the P40 takes a BB on a wing it loses every hope it had.
I'll try it, but I think it will force peole not to engage unless they have an advantage or just BnZ.
Anyway, just my opinion
Gotta chime in here and agree, I think the performance is too varied to make an interesting fight. Things change with group dynamics which I think would be more interesting, but with the relatively low numbers that tend to favor 1v1's and 2v2's I think planes with similar flight charactersitics make for better fights. Had a couple knock down drag out fights last night F6F, vs N1k. I lost them, but I think most people have fun when the planes allow for similar fighting styles.
Not entirely historically accurate but I think the Ki-61/Tony would add a lot to the mix. And of course I'm a 38 junkie and always happy to have my 38G in my mix (torque makes me worthless in anything else these days. :))
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I personally think the p40e is going to be the real problem in a 0 only match-up. Although the one on one bit is fun, none of the planes you mention except for the 0 is really meant for a slow turn fight. The 38 can do it but it was not built for it. The good fun comes from a group of zeros intercepted by a group of p40s. Sadly the numbers do not allow for that most of the time. I enjoy the historical matchup in more realistic situations (a gaggle of zeros escorting some bombers and intercepted by a gaggle of p40bs). I can remember many a good fight with that match up.
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Welcome back Erg.:aok
I wondered what happened to you, it's great to see you back. "Lowe"
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Hey Lowe! Nice to see you are still poking around.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
hehehe you are a funny man slash.
How are things?
The same.:D
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well if you can only think "TURN FIGHT" then you are being one dimensional about it....the P40E can be an avid opponent against any zero if you think "ANGLES" which is how one should think about fighting in three dimensional
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absolutely. But that is why I think the p40e is a bit much for the a6m2. You can bnz that poor zero into nothing pretty easily. With the p40b you have to be much more careful about what altitude you are playing with the zeke at.
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
well if you can only think "TURN FIGHT" then you are being one dimensional about it....the P40E can be an avid opponent against any zero if you think "ANGLES" which is how one should think about fighting in three dimensional
I think you know I don't think "TURN FIGHT" TC. P40 maybe good for 1 fight. Once slow and low and the second 0 comes in its dead (assuming it survived the first)
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The key there would be to not get low and slow then.
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Originally posted by Gumbeau
The key there would be to not get low and slow then.
True enough, but it makes for a very boring fight.
Dedalos and another person - let's call him Horace - were flying P-40Es last night. I was in a Zeke. Horace was strictly a b&z guy. That fight went on for a very long time, probably until Horace started to run out of gas, at which point each of us landed. Dedalos clobbered me in several close-in fights, because he is very clever about throttle use and where to stay out of his victim's field of vision. Those encounters were very exciting. I'm all in favor of working to try to be like Dedalos, rather than slapping myself to stay awake in a b&z encounter.
- oldman
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If you want to have a little fun while waiting for someone to show up take an a26 and strafe ack.
There I was all alone on the way to the bas to strafe some ack and Exocet shows up. He sees me online and the pavlovian drool begins to form. Here he comes with mister zeke towards my holed up, pilot wounded, oil smoking, wreck, and mercifully put me back in the tower. Thanks XO :D Next thing you know Oldman comes in then Ded and a couple of others just as I had to log.
Last night proved something we've been saying all along if there's one guy online long enough more folks will start showing up. So here's my plan of action for the next couple of weeks. When I log on if nobody is on I'm going to grab one of the bombers or a strafer and head for the nearest base to shoot at the ack. Not to gain points or any of that nonsense just to show that there's somebody there. Next guy comes on I'll let him choose a side and we can go 1 v 1 until more folks show up. I really don't care which planes I'm flying so long as I'm flying so it's your choice guys.
I do have to squeeze in some hi alt pony practice over the next few weeks but I'm going to give this theory a spin and see what comes of it.
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That sounds great, I will take part of your plane. I mean take part in your plan ;)
I have found that as well. There does seem to be a lurking going on around the AvsA arena. All you need is the one patient guy to up and then others show.
I should be up by tomorrow. I am sad I have missed so many days of this map.
Perhaps we can do another early war setup next week? BOB or Russia/Finland?
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Oh yeah, Duke are you lurking? I got my old signature back so will need a reinvite. (erg)
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thanks erg.. looking to be on in an hour or so.
A request to the staff. Could we do a LW with similar planes to Der Grosse soon? Perhaps with some airspawns etc?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
A request to the staff. Could we do a LW with similar planes to Der Grosse soon? Perhaps with some airspawns etc?
Already in the plans... Maybe in two weeks. ;)
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Already in the plans... Maybe in two weeks. ;)
Well played, sir, well played.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
Already in the plans... Maybe in two weeks. ;)
:lol
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With the appearance of the new patch, the arena was porked. It's fixed now. Note that the Aleutians map had some issues, so we're using the Okinawa map.
There was some discussion last night about the discrepancy between the MOTD, which listed the Tony as enabled, and the reality, which didn't. The Tony is now enabled. While it is not, strictly speaking, historical to the Aleutians, it makes for a great fight against the P-40E and P-38G (now known as "His Heaviness"), and today is the last day of this setup anyway.
We have also added the B-25C, which is accurate for the time and place. We expect that the MA will see greatest use of the H version for the next few days/weeks. AvA is a good place to try out the pretty version.
- oldman
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The B twenty whuuut...???