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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on August 14, 2007, 02:00:11 PM
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The Atlanta Constitution is reporting that Michael Vick is in negotiations to accept a plea deal with federal prosecuters concerning the charges of running an interstate dog fighting ring. He is apparently doing this to prevent further "superceding" charges that will be brought next week from the help of his other three co-defendants.
What do you all think of this?
Personally, I hope the NFL bans his arse and he gets some jail time and a mega fine. He had the world by the balls and through it away to be a gangsta stunninghunk. Imbecile...
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/08/14/vick_0815.html
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I would like to see the NFL ban him too if he plea's or is found guilty... They should take a page from NASCAR's rules/enforcement book and clean up the league.
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why? because the guy fights his dogs?
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Originally posted by storch
why? because the guy fights his dogs?
Yep. I know your feelings on "personal property" and what-not Storch... but I happen to disagree with you on this point (animal fighting). And like it or not bud, what he did is against the law... he knew it, and did it anyway.
Besides that, the gambling/racketeering aspect of the charges tend to be frowned upon by people in professional sports - and probably ought to be enough to kick him form the league.
But like I said... lets see if he's found guilty/plea's - until then a discussion on what should happen to him is pretty much moot I guess.
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you can take the boy out of the hood but you can't always take the hood out of the boy
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Eagler, the shallowness of your character contrasts nicely with the depths of your ignorance. The south lost, get over it.
"Boy" indeed.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Eagler, the shallowness of your character contrasts nicely with the depths of your ignorance. The south lost, get over it.
"Boy" indeed.
I'm curious, what is wrong with "you can take the boy out of the hood but you can't always take the hood out of the boy"
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"Boy" is a common pejorative used to talk down to people who are black. Considering Eagler's posting history, it's hardly a wild departure for him.
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I know that. I also know that he reworded a common saying thats been around for awhile
"You can take the boy out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the boy."
or
You can put a tuxedo on a pig but it's still going to look for a mudhole
so you assume because he used the word "boy" he was making a derogetory remark about Vick?
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Chairboy, is this statment ok? "you can take the redneck out of the country but you can't take the country out of the redneck?"
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How about this...."You can shove your head up the bulls prettythang to get a good look at a T-bone steak, but i'd rather that the butchers word for it".
:cool:
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Originally posted by cav58d
How about this...."You can shove your head up the bulls prettythang to get a good look at a T-bone steak, but i'd rather that the butchers word for it".
:cool:
If you stick your head up a bulls ... no wait...
If you stick your head up a butcher's.. no...
Wait... it has to be your bull...
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Originally posted by storch
why? because the guy fights his dogs?
Because dog fighting is AGAINST THE LAW. The LAW applies to everyone, NFL thugs included.
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Originally posted by storch
why? because the guy fights his dogs?
Animal cruelty is animal cruelty, period. I am all about personal rights, but this crosses the line.
And, whoever said he wanted to play gangsta? You got it right. Freaking moron could have been a role model for young kids, instead slamming a dog to the ground to kill it was his high....
He already has too much money to hurt, so I hope he does some time and loses his job with the NFL.
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Originally posted by cav58d
How about this...."You can shove your head up the bulls prettythang to get a good look at a T-bone steak, but i'd rather that the butchers word for it".
:cool:
Dang Cav, last post I saw you were spreading peanut butter for a dog, now you are sticking your head up a bull's A?
I am starting to wonder about you, boy.
:rofl
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(http://tesla.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/images/lowrez/bevjed22.gif)
One of these days, I'm gonna have a loooooong talk with that boy!
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Eagler, the shallowness of your character contrasts nicely with the depths of your ignorance. The south lost, get over it.
"Boy" indeed.
(http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/Vick_finger.jpg)
like I said
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Jake Plummer did that as well Eagler....what's your point???
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Originally posted by Stringer
Jake Plummer did that as well Eagler....what's your point???
Jack's an arse as well then .. that is my point, it's not complicated
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Well....let me see if I understand what Chair's getting at. Because Vick fought dogs to the death and killed some with his own hands we can call him a "dirty, depraved, sadistic, chit-brained, crack-headed, em-effing, arse-hole of a pimp."
But we can't call him a "boy", even in a paraphrased alliteration.
That cleared it right up for me.
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Originally posted by indy007
If you stick your head up a bulls ... no wait...
If you stick your head up a butcher's.. no...
Wait... it has to be your bull...
:lol
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Well....let me see if I understand what Chair's getting at. Because Vick fought dogs to the death and killed some with his own hands we can call him a "dirty, depraved, sadistic, chit-brained, crack-headed, em-effing, arse-hole of a pimp."
But we can't call him a "boy", even in a paraphrased alliteration.
That cleared it right up for me.
you can call him Chair, just don't call him Chair Boy. God, I love irony wrapped in hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
you can call him Chair, just don't call him Chair Boy. God, I love irony wrapped in hypocrisy.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I'm opposed to any laws the restrict the rights of individuals based on emotions. first off how is it animal cruelty? the animals are behaving in a manner consistent with their nature. nature is cruel to all animals, death in the wild is brutal. the most humane death a wild animal is subjected to comes at the hands of a human hunter.
these animal cruelty laws are well beyond the bounds of what we as a society should permit. it's the man's dogs, property and money and it's no one's business what he does with any of them.
we have allowed the government far too much power and intrusion into our daily lives.
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Dogs are domesticated animals. We're not talking about wildlife and nature here. We're talking about sadistic "human beings" forcing animals to kill each other for the pleasure and entertainment of said "human beings". There is no valid reason for the dogs to fight, and they would not fight if it were not for the scum bringing them together to fight. Don't try to pass this off as nature, and natural order. That's a crock of bull**** and you know it.
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I have seen more vitriolic responses against Vick than other football players who have committed murder!
Ptui!
Good Day!
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Originally posted by Eagler
Jack's an arse as well then .. that is my point, it's not complicated
It's Jake....not Jack....it's not complicated....
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Originally posted by Yknurd
I have seen more vitriolic responses against Vick than other football players who have committed murder!
Ptui!
Good Day!
Its different when its a defenseless animal ( for the most part)
An animal doesnt often know what the "human" ( and in this case i use the term VERY loosely ) is doing to it. and doesnt understand
Im not saying murdering another person is less depraved but hurting a domesticated animal in the way he did is sadistic and personally i feel it shows a complete lack of consideration for the life of an animal and how it suffers.
Im trying to post nicely here because if i posted what I REALLY think and FEEL then id prolly be PNG'ed before Ht even opened for business in the morning
and storch, i agree with you on alot of the personal property issues BUT, if i saw a neighbor abusing and animal and intentionally making it suffer like the scumbag did....Id stomp a mudhole in his arse and walk it dry at the very least
as a matter of fact, I have and I did
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Originally posted by storch
I'm opposed to any laws the restrict the rights of individuals based on emotions. first off how is it animal cruelty? the animals are behaving in a manner consistent with their nature. nature is cruel to all animals, death in the wild is brutal. the most humane death a wild animal is subjected to comes at the hands of a human hunter.
these animal cruelty laws are well beyond the bounds of what we as a society should permit. it's the man's dogs, property and money and it's no one's business what he does with any of them.
we have allowed the government far too much power and intrusion into our daily lives.
you are fishing right? or do you run the local **** fighting ring in little cuba ?
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Storch, dogs fighting to the death is not consistent with nature. They are domesticated wolves. In the wild, wolves rarely fight to the death. A pack of wolves tends to give all other packs a wide berth.
The death fights between dogs on Vick's property were forced on them by "humans", and were a clear violation of state and federal law. Your sympathy for him is misplaced.
Yknurd, the outrage directed against Vick's actions is fully justified, and would be even greater if he had committed murder instead. Your attitude, as presented in your post, is incomprehensible. Vick's contempt for his fellow man and thirst for cruelty are disturbing, and must give us pause.
Such a wanton, juvenile, gang-banger mentality may one day lead him to commit murder.
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wow, little cuba eagler? point out this geographic location to me.
shuckins, have you seen feral dogs fight over a female in heat? I have. you can too possibly, if there is a lower income area where you live there will be roaming packs of feral dogs. they don't fight to death because the loser has the option to run, that is the difference between what people who like dogfights do and what occurs naturally. I suspect some wounds that I have seen were fatal anyway.
the dogs selected are pitbulls. break that name down to appreciate it's full implication. read up on the history of the animal. the american pitbull was selectively bred for fighting and fighting only. I'll venture a guess that the home boys didn't do the selective breeding initially either. the only difference between then and now is that this society has gone soft and nannyish as well as snoopish and meddlesome. the womanly snivelling I'm seeing on this board and in the news regarding this guy's choice of entertainment is indicative of the weakness we are experiencing as a society and forms and integral part of our eventual downfall to those who don't share our feminine sensibilties.
I never thought I would see a black man vilified on the national media no matter what he did. this individual has been sacrificed on the alter of stupidity by the limpwrists who drive our nation media and his blackness couldn't save him like it did OJ simpson. who woulda thunk it possible. personally, I'm amazed.
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Originally posted by storch
wow, little cuba eagler? point out this geographic location to me.
the locals call it Miami.
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no the locals call it miami, the majic city.
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so you are serious? dog fights are AOK with you? how about rooster fighting? you like to gamble on those too? a real social event eh...
It is not about being a nanny state, it is about being civilized - not to mention it is against the law.
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Originally posted by storch
wow, little cuba eagler? point out this geographic location to me.
I'd go with Ybor City in Tampa, FL. great eats there.
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Storch, you're not helping your case.
Since when is it womanish to not want to be a brute?
I grew up in a rural area of Arkansas. Having spent a lot of time on a farm and hunting game I am hardly squeamish at the sight of blood. The music of a pack of hunting dogs in full cry after game, urged on by the note of a hunting horn, is an ancient music that stirs the blood, and is one of my earliest memories.
The dog was the first animal to be domesticated by man, and formed a sacred partnership based on the hunt for food, defense against mutual dangers, toil, and love.
Thus, I find humans forcing these ancient partners to tear each other to bits to be repugnant, and I make no apologies for saying so, or for supporting laws that lock away the human trash that engages in such sadistic entertainment.
The extreme aggressiveness of pitbulls and other fighting breeds is bred into them; ergo, it is unnatural and artificial, as are packs of feral dogs which have little in common with the true wolf pack.
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Originally posted by indy007
I'd go with Ybor City in Tampa, FL. great eats there.
na, he's trying to be offensive. ybor city has been watered down by a century of melting into the melting pot. miami is closer but it too is watered down. still, the hertiage is there as well as in key west.
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as I have typed before I do not participate in these events though I have visited places where they do occur in the dominican republic accompanied by people who my dad does business with. my dad is a cigar distributor and more than half of his product comes from the dominican republic. and yes they are social events, people bring their kids to watch and yes quite a bit of money exchanges hands.
I'm not in the least bit bothered by the event though they would not be something I would go to unless invited a social commitment in the dominican republic, but not here where some woman judge would get all teary eyed because a chicken died as she sentences me to life in prison with possibility of parole, just before she went to lunch and orders chicken.
buck up america, sheesh.
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must be a "cultural" thing = does your dad's friends eat the losing dog?
maybe we need to revert back to spiked gloves in the boxing ring as well
lol lol lol
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I would guess it is a cultural thing there just as it is here. I don't know what happens to the dog or the chicken after death but I don't think they would be very good tablefare. is that what you eat? dog? I don't understand the question or the motivation behind it. I guess it must be another attempt on your part to be offensive to people who you consider to be beneath you.
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I think you know what I am saying but just to be clear, just because it is a "sport" in some third world country (as is the practice of eating dogs and cats) does not mean it should accepted in most civilized parts of the world. Thought you were more sophisticated than that, guess I was wrong. Maybe just another step in diluting the values of this country through uncontrolled immigration and poor education.
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the point you miss is that the softening of this society will bring no good thing.
we are discussing animals, they are animals, I eat animals I depend on animals to cover me, I rely on animal goods in many facets of my daily life, to test the drugs that benefit me etc.
why is having an animal to be used for entertainment that much different? I don't personally like the choice but it's none of my business and frankly hypocritical to call someone on it given the way my life is so heavily animal and animal products dependant. on the one hand the slaughterhouse is acceptable on the other the death of a few dogs and chickens is abhorrent? the justifiable cause for the ruin of an athlete and the wholesale condemnation of a time honored cross cultural event? name one culture where cockfights and dogfights are not acceptable prior to about the last twenty years? would you end bullfights on the iberian peninsula and the americas? how about the fox hunts? are they out as well?
we are confused and we are soft, life is hard and nature is cruel if we are not harder and tougher we are doomed, we will be eaten by the meat eaters out there who hate us and are our enemies.
buck up softies this weakness only harbors ill for us all. I'm embarrassed by what we are becoming.
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Originally posted by storch
I'm embarrassed by what we are becoming.
so am I
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good, go bash a chicken, but don't choke it.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Eagler, the shallowness of your character contrasts nicely with the depths of your ignorance. The south lost, get over it.
"Boy" indeed.
Hmm this little attempt to profile Eagler as a racisit went nowhere fast. :lol
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I think chairboy has place eagler in the proper column.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
What do you all think of this?
Personally, I hope the NFL bans his arse and he gets some jail time and a mega fine. He had the world by the balls and through it away to be a gangsta stunninghunk. Imbecile...
Darryle Strawberry continued too play BaseBall for how long???
Is Michael Irving getting into the Hall O Fame????
It was just a dang dog fight big frickin deal.I could see it being as big a deal as they are making it if they found pounds a dope in his trunk and he was beatin his ol lady down at the dog fight.
Thats just how he rolls.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Darryle Strawberry continued too play BaseBall for how long???
Is Michael Irving getting into the Hall O Fame????
It was just a dang dog fight big frickin deal.I could see it being as big a deal as they are making it if they found pounds a dope in his trunk and he was beatin his ol lady down at the dog fight.
Thats just how he rolls.
Hey cool the tu*d showed up, somebody bring the punch bowl.
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lol
It wasn't one fight. He was running an entire freaking dog fighting ring from his property...purchased, as I understand it, specifically for that purpose.
Just like having pounds of dope and/or beating his wife is illegal, so too is this.
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Originally posted by storch
I think chairboy has place eagler in the proper column.
it has nothing to do with race, I call them as I see them - ignorance is color blind but thanks for your support storch - now go boil a cat or something LOL
on another note, does your family have pets?
you know, the ones most of us pet not eat or fight...
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NVMD?
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Just to be Politically Correct.... and unbiased.
I want to see Rev. Al Sharpton and Vicks outside with 10 of Vicks Pit Bulls and a Friesbee...
*Announcer* "Seems today folks that the Sharpton/Vicks team has won the toss...."
"Holy Jeebus the Dogs have rushed after the Coin Toss...
Vicks fades back with the Friesbee....
Sharpton fades back for the handoff...
Vicks trips Sharpton...
Vicks is fading back...
45 yard line... 40...
30...
15..
5...
Vicks seems to be Pleading with Sharpton.... Vicks is screaming "GO LONG!!! GO LONG!!!...
OMG!!!! Fans are rushing to leave the stadium..."
"We'll return right after this Commercial Break..."
*off mic* "Bradshaw yer on yer own, I'm outta here!!!!"
*sounds of shuffling feet and a door slams shut..... BARK, BARK, BARK!!!!*
"Arrrrgggghhhh Noooooo.....Nice Puppy, Owwwww No!!!! Bad Dog, Bad!!!!"
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I just got done reading these post and WOW!!
Do I believe dog and **** fighting are wrong? NO! This I believe is a cultural choice. Can you go back through history and find the Europeans doing it? YES! Has it been going on since ancient times..beast VS beast? YES!!
My point is that EVERY breed of dog was breed INTIALLY for a purpose. If you use the dog for the PURPOSE it was breed for whats the harm? People use Labs and Pointer all the time for hunting..is that any different then using a Pit for fighting? Isn't that what they was breed for?
Now..is it illegal in the US to fight dogs? YES!!! Now does it go on every FREAKING night?? Yes!!!! We just had a huge ring in Dayton busted up a few months ago..BUT..those guys aren't facing Federal charges!
Why might you ask why..because they wasn't "Organized" enough! If Mr. Vick is facing FEDERAL Racketeering charges..he was running "Multiple" ring's across state lines which makes it Federal. Plus Uncle Sam doesn't bring up these "Rico" charges with out a mountain of evidence and witnesses. They learned their lesson along time ago!
Now as for the comment" You can take the "Boy" out of the country but not the country out of the "Boy"..I say "You can take the thug out of the hood..but..not the hood out of the thug!"
Should he be kicked put of the NFL?? YES!!!!!! Should Pacman be kicked out of the NFL?? YES!!! If you break Federal laws or 1st degree Felonies kick they ARSES back home!!!! Plus I believe the teams should sue to get ALL the signing and performance bonuses back!!!
INMO!!
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
Do I believe dog and **** fighting are wrong? NO! This I believe is a cultural choice.
Do you believe that Muslims or other cultures who practice "honour killings" (ie killing family members to preserve their "honour") are wrong?
It is a cultural choice afterall.
What about Hindu widows who throw themselves onto the funeral pyre of their husbands?
Also "cultural"...but banned in India.
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I'll bite. anything that kills moslems in moslem lands is good.
the practice of sutti is also acceptable
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There was a recent case in the United States of an honour killing. Should the father be let off for killing his daughter because it is his "culture"?
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Originally posted by Curval
There was a recent case in the United States of an honour killing. Should the father be let off for killing his daughter because it is his "culture"?
are you equating the killing of animals with the killing of an american human being? hmmm. if that's the case then all I have to say is you have an interesting set of values.
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lol
Nice side step on that question.
I wasn't equating anything to anything....I am simply responding to the assertion that anything appears to be okay...because it is cultural.
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Originally posted by storch
are you equating the killing of animals with the killing of an american human being? hmmm. if that's the case then all I have to say is you have an interesting set of values.
Put your comprehending hat on, he didn't equate anything with the question.
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side step? indeed sir it is not a side step but a poor comparison on your part.
how can one possibly compare the taking of an american human life to the natural tendenicies in a breed of dog?
if you are asking me if I think it is a good custom to perform an honor killing I already responded to that in the affirmative provided it was done in their own land. that custom is not unique to just the moslem. in the north east of brasil if a man catches his wife in act of committing adultery and kills the lovers he will not be charged for the slaying.
in america if a black man who is a celebrity murders two people the man will aquitted by jury nullification.
if a black man who is a celebrity fights his dogs the entire nation wants his head on a pike.
the values are a bit off and from what you post it seems that the moral decay from europe and america is striking your half trousered paradise.
:D
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From time to time I wonder what we're all like in real life. How we interact with people face to face and to what degree our O'Club exchanges mirror real life.
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Originally posted by Hap
From time to time I wonder what we're all like in real life. How we interact with people face to face and to what degree our O'Club exchanges mirror real life.
in real life i'm a mild-mannered reporter for the Metropolis newspaper The Daily Planet.:lol
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and at night he dons his lois lane outfit and goes clubbing for boys
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Originally posted by john9001
in real life i'm a mild-mannered reporter for the Metropolis newspaper The Daily Planet.:lol
And that's as far as it goes. :D
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Originally posted by storch
side step? indeed sir it is not a side step but a poor comparison on your part.
how can one possibly compare the taking of an american human life to the natural tendenicies in a breed of dog?
if you are asking me if I think it is a good custom to perform an honor killing I already responded to that in the affirmative provided it was done in their own land. that custom is not unique to just the moslem. in the north east of brasil if a man catches his wife in act of committing adultery and kills the lovers he will not be charged for the slaying.
in america if a black man who is a celebrity murders two people the man will aquitted by jury nullification.
if a black man who is a celebrity fights his dogs the entire nation wants his head on a pike.
the values are a bit off and from what you post it seems that the moral decay from europe and america is striking your half trousered paradise.
:D
Talk of moral values from a person who does not care about unnecessary cruelness to animals is pretty meaningless.
Not all cultures are equal. Cultures that accept animals killing each other for human pleasure are repugnant. Just like cultures that kill women for honor.
You’re a real steaming pile of work storch.
Your idea of what this nation should be like is disgusting. Being concerned about animals being used by shallow foolish "humans" who take pleasure from something brutal and disgusting does not make this nation soft, it makes it sane. Keep your BS culture in the 3rd world countries that still accept it.
:huh
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lol another marvel who thinks animals have rights.
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Originally posted by storch
lol another marvel who thinks animals have rights.
Hardly.
But having them kill each other for your pleasure is wrong, wasteful and disgusting.
Yet you don't even have the guts to come out and fully defend your position, come on big man, At least admit it turns you on to watch this crap.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Not all cultures are equal. Cultures that accept animals killing each other for human pleasure are repugnant. Just like cultures that kill women for honor.
Someone gets it.
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We kill animals to eat, and have since before we were humans. We kill animals to defend ourselves. We sometimes rely on animals to do dangerous things to help us out. But, I believe killing animals purely for sport, or causing unnecessary suffering when meeting other needs devalues humanity. Combining the two is particularly repugnant. For that matter few animals kill others for reasons beyond survival, so it generally devalues our place as living creatures. The intentional infliction of pain for amusement on creatures, particularly a creature like a dog that can be more loyal, loving and supportive than many humans is disgusting.
If I had to choose between the life of my dog and a stranger, I would do the right thing. I would probably regret that though, as long as I lived. There are plenty of sociopaths who come up well short of a Jeffery Dahmer who would lose that contest if I knew their background. For example, con men who defraud the elderly -- buh by!
If I had to choose between leaving my dog during a "Katrina" for personal safety (with the assumption that the rest of my family would make it to safety regardless) I would not leave my dog. I know that for a fact. Owning an animal carries with it certain responsibilities, but that's not even the issue. I know my dog wouldn't leave me.
Here's an example of tremendous government waste where dogs are concerned. Worth every penny IMO, and better than we have done in the past.
These days, he's trying to move beyond memories of the Ramadi explosion, which killed dozens of people, including his best friend, fellow handler Adam Cann. One image still inspires him, though: the sight of Cann's wounded dog stretched over his body, as if to protect him.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/08/13/war.dogs.ap/index.html
Charon
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What i think it comes down to here is this:
People in general more over MEN in general will BET & GAMBLE on anything and i mean anything.Some say it's INhumane others don't, but i will bet ya someone will argue that point for years to come.
IN the end it's all just a NEWS story and something to keep others entertained and not with commercials.Here we have a football player who is doing what he was prolly raised doing his whole life and thats how he rolls, now he havta pay da piper so to speak.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
thats how he rolls
It's so cute you have another inner city cliche to use in every post. :lol
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
What i think it comes down to here is this:
People in general more over MEN in general will BET & GAMBLE on anything and i mean anything.Some say it's INhumane others don't, but i will bet ya someone will argue that point for years to come.
IN the end it's all just a NEWS story and something to keep others entertained and not with commercials.Here we have a football player who is doing what he was prolly raised doing his whole life and thats how he rolls, now he havta pay da piper so to speak.
Men know how to control their impulses be it for another women or an immoral sport.
Children and fools who think they are men do not.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Hardly.
But having them kill each other for your pleasure is wrong, wasteful and disgusting.
Yet you don't even have the guts to come out and fully defend your position, come on big man, At least admit it turns you on to watch this crap.
first of all my position is that is none of your or my business what a person does with their chattel on their property.
secondly I have stated on many occasions that I personally dislike the practice of animal fighting as sport though I don't find it abhorrent.
thirdly you posting without reading these other posts and then flayling out with a womanly and emotionally based outburst makes you appear to be gayish at best.
in your defense seeing that you are from california goes a long way towards explaining your emotion though.
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^^^ weak reply there Storch... you can do better than that.
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Originally posted by storch
first of all my position is that is none of your or my business what a person does with their chattel on their property.
secondly I have stated on many occasions that I personally dislike the practice of animal fighting as sport though I don't find it abhorrent.
thirdly you posting without reading these other posts and then flayling out with a womanly and emotionally based outburst makes you appear to be gayish at best.
in your defense seeing that you are from california goes a long way towards explaining your emotion though.
Storch, I read your posts, I just think you are not honest.
I never put much stock in anything you say, and have even less respect for you now.
But you go on being an internet tough guy.
The only emotion I have over you or this thread is contempt, so don't flatter yourself.
Oh and come on, the best you can come up with is making fun of me for being a womanly Californian? That's as pathetic as you always stalking Curv for having pink shorts. I would think a guy as old as you would be a bit wittier. But then again your posts indicate wit isn’t your strong point. You could at least get to beatles level you know 2nd grade or so and make fun of me for being fat.
:rofl
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read the other threads on this topic. my position is there.
but I'll repeat it again. it's no one's business what a person does with their chattel on their property.
some of you hand wringers seem to have a problem with that concept.
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Originally posted by Curval
Do you believe that Muslims or other cultures who practice "honour killings" (ie killing family members to preserve their "honour") are wrong?
It is a cultural choice afterall.
What about Hindu widows who throw themselves onto the funeral pyre of their husbands?
Also "cultural"...but banned in India.
That's the problem with Americans today!!! If "WE DON"T DO IT...WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT..NOBODY ELSE SHOULD DO IT "!!! I love America and the "Privileges" I have here. YES "PRIVILAGES"!!!! Your nice weekly paycheck, health insurance, home, food..ect..ect..is a PRIVILAGE!!!
As for the "Honour Killings" that the Muslim faith practices..do you even know why that would even happen? Do you even realise that most Muslims don't even practice that? Your probably 1 of those media dumb Americans that has NO CLUE about Islam expect what the media tells you to believe!!!! Like All Muslims are extremist and want to do nothing but destroy America and all Christian countries!!! Islam is just like Christianity! It's followers pick and choose what laws they want to go by and ignore the rest that is a "Inconvenience" or ..for the lack of a better words "OLD SCHOOL"!!
Now for the Hindu practice of the widow throws herself on the pyre of her dead husband. Do you know ANYTHING about the Hindu religion? Well..in the "OLD" Hindu religion the Husband is the "BREAD" winner and with out him she has nothing. She has no rights's to anything. As appalling as it my sound to "US" that's the way it is.
Now as for it being banned..if you have a country with a BILLION + people do you think you can enforce that ban??? Heck America has, lets say 270 million, and we can't keep guns out of a convicted felon's hands, do you honestly think India can keep a "DEVOTE" Hindu woman from throwing herself on her husband pyre??
Now back to the original topic..Should you fight dogs or C#@ks? Once again It comes down to your cultural background and up bringing! If you are brought up in those surroundings then there is no problem with it. Its just like your Old man taking you to a Boxing match. In Boxing the "CONSTATANTS" are "FIGHTING" to get points on each other, yet No one gets killed, BUT in any contest you can see a career ending injury. Just like in that sport those Animals that suffer that kind of injury aren't "Killed" on the spot..but healed to fight again or are put out to "Stud" just like horses. I've been to plenty of both Dog and C%#k fights and its VERY rarely that a owner will let them fight to the death. They've invested to much money and time . Heck most Dogfights only last 1-3 Min's before a owner calls it. Even on the "Till Death Match" a GOOD owner will call it before his "Fighter" gets hurt to bad because he knows he can breed and make even more money then he just lost.
Now as for Mr.Vick.. He had his "Flunkey's" kill the losers on the spot, allegedly, Plus he was "Allegedly Backing" multiple rings in multiple states. Now I've seen plenty of dogs "Beat up" after a "Fight" and those that are real bad the owner ALWAYS took them to a "Private" vet and had them put to sleep. Not being drugged out.. being shot in a yard.. and disposed of in a trash can!! For this alone Mr.Vick should serve prison time!
Now you media blind zombies out there, or you Holier then thou.. or you PETA fanatics..that have never experienced or known a Professional Dog fighter can judge me as much as you want..BUT I... JUST LIKE STORCH knows how this "Sport" and I use that loosely, works.
They are Animals..breed and trained to serve our needs!
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
That's the problem with Americans today!!! If "WE DON"T DO IT...WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT..NOBODY ELSE SHOULD DO IT "!!! I love America and the "Privileges" I have here. YES "PRIVILAGES"!!!! Your nice weekly paycheck, health insurance, home, food..ect..ect..is a PRIVILAGE!!!
As for the "Honour Killings" that the Muslim faith practices..do you even know why that would even happen? Do you even realise that most Muslims don't even practice that? Your probably 1 of those media dumb Americans that has NO CLUE about Islam expect what the media tells you to believe!!!! Like All Muslims are extremist and want to do nothing but destroy America and all Christian countries!!! Islam is just like Christianity! It's followers pick and choose what laws they want to go by and ignore the rest that is a "Inconvenience" or ..for the lack of a better words "OLD SCHOOL"!!
Now for the Hindu practice of the widow throws herself on the pyre of her dead husband. Do you know ANYTHING about the Hindu religion? Well..in the "OLD" Hindu religion the Husband is the "BREAD" winner and with out him she has nothing. She has no rights's to anything. As appalling as it my sound to "US" that's the way it is.
Now as for it being banned..if you have a country with a BILLION + people do you think you can enforce that ban??? Heck America has, lets say 270 million, and we can't keep guns out of a convicted felon's hands, do you honestly think India can keep a "DEVOTE" Hindu woman from throwing herself on her husband pyre??
Now back to the original topic..Should you fight dogs or C#@ks? Once again It comes down to your cultural background and up bringing! If you are brought up in those surroundings then there is no problem with it. Its just like your Old man taking you to a Boxing match. In Boxing the "CONSTATANTS" are "FIGHTING" to get points on each other, yet No one gets killed, BUT in any contest you can see a career ending injury. Just like in that sport those Animals that suffer that kind of injury aren't "Killed" on the spot..but healed to fight again or are put out to "Stud" just like horses. I've been to plenty of both Dog and C%#k fights and its VERY rarely that a owner will let them fight to the death. They've invested to much money and time . Heck most Dogfights only last 1-3 Min's before a owner calls it. Even on the "Till Death Match" a GOOD owner will call it before his "Fighter" gets hurt to bad because he knows he can breed and make even more money then he just lost.
Now as for Mr.Vick.. He had his "Flunkey's" kill the losers on the spot, allegedly, Plus he was "Allegedly Backing" multiple rings in multiple states. Now I've seen plenty of dogs "Beat up" after a "Fight" and those that are real bad the owner ALWAYS took them to a "Private" vet and had them put to sleep. Not being drugged out.. being shot in a yard.. and disposed of in a trash can!! For this alone Mr.Vick should serve prison time!
Now you media blind zombies out there, or you Holier then thou.. or you PETA fanatics..that have never experienced or known a Professional Dog fighter can judge me as much as you want..BUT I... JUST LIKE STORCH knows how this "Sport" and I use that loosely, works.
They are Animals..breed and trained to serve our needs!
Yea, you and Storch are good buddies now.
Did you read the part where he has no problem with honour killings...as long as it takes place in a Musilm country. Is this your position too?
I know quite a bit about Hindus and India. Perhaps not as much as someone as smart as you...but the FACT is...it is banned there, despite the fact that it is CULTURALLY acceptable in some areas. Argue with yourself all you like...that is FACT.
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Originally posted by storch
read the other threads on this topic. my position is there.
but I'll repeat it again. it's no one's business what a person does with their chattel on their property.
some of you hand wringers seem to have a problem with that concept.
It is against the law. So it is my and the publics business.
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See Rule #7
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Eagler your going to get banned for that pic....
But your right, hiding behind statements like "its their chattel and property" is disgusting, but its from the same guy that said murder is fine for human beings too as long as they are not America.
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:confused: :(
That is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.
Thumbs up for having the stones to post the pic Eagler... i think we all needed some perspective.
Oh and if Eagler gets banned for that... I'll follow him with a clean conscious.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It is against the law. So it is my and the publics business.
so then by extension if guns were to be outlawed by similar mindless and emotionally based litigation you would be ok with that too?
yes eagler it's a brutal sport. that was probably the winner too, you shoulda seen the other guy.
once again a posters emotions are getting in the way of his comprehension. I don't like animal fights but if you do it's ok with me. it's none of my business.
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Originally posted by storch
so then by extension if guns were to be outlawed by similar mindless and emotionally based litigation you would be ok with that too?
yes eagler it's a brutal sport. that was probably the winner too, you shoulda seen the other guy.
Sport? :huh
wow.
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Originally posted by storch
so then by extension if guns were to be outlawed by similar mindless and emotionally based litigation you would be ok with that too?
yes eagler it's a brutal sport. that was probably the winner too, you shoulda seen the other guy.
once again a posters emotions are getting in the way of his comprehension. I don't like animal fights but if you do it's ok with me. it's none of my business.
you never answered me b4.. do you own a pet?
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Originally posted by storch
so then by extension if guns were to be outlawed by similar mindless and emotionally based litigation you would be ok with that too?
yes eagler it's a brutal sport. that was probably the winner too, you shoulda seen the other guy.
LOL that is a pretty weak argument, there is nothing in the Bill of Rights about dog fighting.
No decent human being would defend it in anyway, even the dodgy way you are.
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I'm sorry eagler, no eagler I no longer own any pets. when they die it's like losing a family member. now I just have feral cats that I feed and when they die I toss the carcass in the lake to attract more fish.
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majority of sick perverted murderers start out on animals ... just saying ... if watching an animal abused into the above condition is a form of excitement, stimulation and enjoyment ... what else is....
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I guess we just have to agree that we disagree. personally I could care less what people do with their chattel or their time. you fail to understand that I defend the man's right to his actions when it concerns personal property but that does not mean I defend the action itself.
you on the other hand seem to against anything you don't care for and are willing to impose your emotionally based sensibilities upon others.
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This just in! NAACP REVEALS THAT MICHAEL VICKS PITBULLS WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN AND TELLS WHITEY TO MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS!
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Originally posted by Curval
Yea, you and Storch are good buddies now.
Did you read the part where he has no problem with honour killings...as long as it takes place in a Musilm country. Is this your position too?
I know quite a bit about Hindus and India. Perhaps not as much as someone as smart as you...but the FACT is...it is banned there, despite the fact that it is CULTURALLY acceptable in some areas. Argue with yourself all you like...that is FACT.
You know Curval..I don't know why you would want to argue about this. You seem quite intelligent, so why would you even post a reply?
"Honour Killings" really only occur in "Strict" Islam countries, and then it has to ordered by a Council of Clerics. It's just not "Hey..I'm going to kill my Son/Daughter because they broke Islamic law and dishonored our family." This just shows you are like 80% of Americans that have know Idea what Islam is about or How Islam works. Its not your fault. Plus you have to think most Muslims live in countries where practices like that are illegall.
Now it might be a FACT that it is banned in India..BUT it is a FACT that it happens and it is a FACT in those area's that it's CULTURALLY acceptable women are STILL below men and there is NOTHING the government can do about it.
Do I agree with some of the Practices some of the Cultures/religions my fellow HUMAN BEINGS practice?NO!!! BUT do I try to understand why my FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS do what they do?? YES!!!!! It what makes every culture,religion and person diffrent on this big blueberry spinning in space!!!!:aok
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
Sport? :huh
wow.
ok if it's not sport then you define what it is. while you are at it look up the definition for sport you may just learn something.
is horse racing a sport?
how about greyhound racing?
bullfighting?
once again people's emotions tend to cloud their thinking process a bit.
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Originally posted by storch
personally I could care less what people do with their chattel or their time.
You say chattel alot..
Ok by definition chattel is moveable objects that someone owns.
Animals i guess can be considered chattel, so in your eyes it's ok for someone to collect and mulitate and torture dogs or cats in there back yard just because they want to?
Certain psycho mass murderers thought killing people was sport too, and maybe even considered there victims "chattel" when they were at there house, does that make it right?
Isn't the bottom line that dogfighting is a felony in 48 of 50 states?
It's your right to believe that people can do whatever they want with whatever they own, but i'm wondering where you draw the line?
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Yes... Please Storch... educate me! At least you didn't call me a girly-man. Saving the big guns for later?
Why is this an emotional argument? Can you hear me yelling or weeping though your computer screen? There's nothing emotional about it. Animal blood sports (I'm talking fighting - not hunting) and those who get their rocks off on them, are symptomatic of sociopathic behavior. Thats it. Plain and simple.
Participating in them, falls outside of social norms. So far in fact, that we as a society have deemed doing so illegal - that is why this is not a "sport." You can't get much more dispassionate than that.
So here's our homework for the day... I'll look up "Sport" and you look up "Sociopathy" and we'll see who learns the most. Sound good?
Please :rolleyes:
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once again I have to explain that it's none of my business what anyone does with their personal property.
it's ok with me if he clubs them to death while watching oprah andf eating twinkies. I don't care.
you shouldn't either, it's none of your business.
you guys seem to have a problem with freedom of choice.
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
Yes... Please Storch... educate me! At least you didn't call me a girly-man. Saving the big guns for later?
Why is this an emotional argument? Can you hear me yelling or weeping though your computer screen? There's nothing emotional about it. Animal blood sports (I'm talking fighting - not hunting) and those who get their rocks off on them, are symptomatic of sociopathic behavior. Thats it. Plain and simple.
Participating in them, falls outside of social norms. So far in fact, that we as a society have deemed doing so illegal - that is why this is not a "sport." You can't get much more dispassionate than that.
So here's our homework for the day... I'll look up "Sport" and you look up "Sociopathy" and we'll see who learns the most. Sound good?
Please :rolleyes:
are you saying I'm a sociopath because I don't agree with people meddling in other people's affairs?
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Originally posted by storch
are you saying I'm a sociopath because I don't agree with people meddling in other people's affairs?
No...
I specifically noted people who get excited about animal blood sports such as dog fighting have sociopathic traits. Unless you are such an individual, I did not say you were a sociopath.
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Originally posted by storch
you shouldn't either, it's none of your business.
you guys seem to have a problem with freedom of choice.
Once again it is against the law, so it is the publics business.
Since you want to ignore that it is illegal, do you feel the same about your neighbor dealing drugs or running a potato house? Those are also against the law, and things that you also could say are none of your business.
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Originally posted by Eagler
I find it funny and sick that some in this thread are arguing for the right to fight dogs and chickens ...
what's wrong with you ppl, are you inbred or something?
here you go storch & scotlvr, just good fun eh?
(http://www.usanimalprotection.org/gypsy100.jpg)
Yea know Why don't you go to Asia or South East Asia and have dinner sometime!!!!! I'm not talking the big cities..I'm talking the small farm villages where your eating a delicious dinner and there isn't a cow or pig to be found but your eating meat!!
Go take your fight to them and tell them a 300 + years of culture and their way of doing things are wrong!!!
My reason for posting was to defend those that was brought up that way and give them a voice and defend their thinking! Do I agree with it?NO!!! I have my own dogs, a Doberman, a Rot and a Bull Mastiff. Do I understand what my dogs was breed for? YES!!! Would I EVER intentionally use them for that? NO!!
But it's my choice and right to do what I ever want to with them! If I want to turn them into big sissys,like they are, I can! If I want to turn them into killing machines..I CAN!!! Just like its your choice and right to disagree with me and train your pets to be the way YOU want them!!! Don't force your opinions and beliefs on me because you think I'm wrong and your right!
I have a Right guaranteed by a piece of paper to do as I please as long as I don't break any laws or infringe on any other HUMAN BEINGS RIGHTS!!!! I think freedom of beliefs and speech are the 2 most important ones and I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE TELLING ME I'M WRONG OR F-UPPED IS INFRENGEING ON MY BELIEFS!!!!!! YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR BELIEFS DON'T TELL ME I'M WRONG FOR MINE!!!!!!!
Shake your head understand my beliefs and move on! Don't beat a dead horse! Mr. Vick broke Federal law and should be banned from football and spend time in jail!
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I have been to animal fights. I don't think people participating were very concerned with the animal so much so as with the money they win or lose. it is a brutal brutal brutal sport but it's a means of making a living especially in the dominican republic and places like that in the third world.
I personally get a kick out reading stuff that complacent and corpulent posters submit from the relative affluence of the united states and condemn the actions of people who are esentially doing no worse than the man who fattens a pig and slaughters it prior to taking it to market or eating it. is it exploiting the animal? it sure is, just like a dog or cockfight is animal exploitation.
I hunt, fish and occasionally still spearfish. I do so for sport, I enjoy the hunt and I enjoy the kill. If I miss I'm disappointed. If I kill the animal I don't utilize euphamisms like others I know who claim they harvested a deer. I kill the sucker, I field dress it and I drag it back to my truck to take home and eat and share with family and friends.
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Amen storch! I too hunt fish and heck I even keep my trapping permit current.
I wonder what these folks would like me to do with the coyotes that kill my families calves, and hogs? I guess I should let them off with a stern warning instead of a 30-06 round!
I don't think they grasp is a persons choice how the "Train" their pet. They are your pet and you can do as you want with them. Its your choice! Just like a car..you buy it..it's up to you what happens next.
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Originally posted by storch
Blah blah blah more BS on why its ok.
So are you ok with your neighbors doing ilegal activities like this or dealing or whoring next door? It's a simple questions.
As for the rest of your tripe, all that serves a purpose if you eat the animal. On top of that I know no sport hunters who try and make the animal suffer for as long as they can, and thats what a dog fight is.
What was your point on this? Your not really trying to compare sport fishing and hunting to dog fighting are you?
Dog and **** fighting have no purpose other then to make cash for jerkoffs and hurt animals for human pleasure. No one eats them and nothing but money and pain comes from it. Well and pleasure for sick ****s.
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
I don't think they grasp is a persons choice how the "Train" their pet. They are your pet and you can do as you want with them. Its your choice! Just like a car..you buy it..it's up to you what happens next.
I don't think you grasp what a LAW is! Whether it's right or wrong, it is the law, and thats why the former manifestation of a quarterback; michael vick, has been indicted.
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I guess we just have to agree that we disagree. personally I could care less what people do with their chattel or their time. you fail to understand that I defend the man's right to his actions when it concerns personal property but that does not mean I defend the action itself...
These are living creatures, not someone's walkman. There are people that throw kittens on a BBQ grill for fun. Or soak a dog in gasoline and set it on fire. Can you defend that? There are plenty of sickos that torture animals for fun and get excited by it. The more extreme ones tend to move on to humans at some point, and I can't help but believe that even the ones who don't -- those that just get a big woody over a dogfight -- still have a little bit of Jeffery Dahmer living inside. The glee and satisfaction and excitement of seeing pain and suffering.
Don't force your opinions and beliefs on me because you think I'm wrong and your right!
I have a Right guaranteed by a piece of paper to do as I please as long as I don't break any laws or infringe on any other HUMAN BEINGS RIGHTS!!!! I think freedom of beliefs and speech are the 2 most important ones and I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE TELLING ME I'M WRONG OR F-UPPED IS INFRENGEING ON MY BELIEFS!!!!!! YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR BELIEFS DON'T TELL ME I'M WRONG FOR MINE!!!!!!!
Shake your head understand my beliefs and move on! Don't beat a dead horse! Mr. Vick broke Federal law and should be banned from football and spend time in jail!
As you actually point out, we can tell you whatever we want as OUR beliefs warrant. Civilized society says that dog fighting is wrong. Just because you get some form of satisfaction from dog or rooster fights doesn't mean most of us in Western society can't think that it is sick. Now, I could easily kill or have killed a dog if my life was in danger or if it was terminally ill or if there were just no resources to take care of it humanely, but I personally can't imagine the mindset that would enjoy such a blood sport -- it's alien to me. Apparently it's alien to a lot of other folks as well. There are laws in place to punish people who act on those beliefs just like there are laws in place to punish the NAMBLA folk when they act on their beliefs, which might actually be acceptable in some cultures.
Just like in that sport those Animals that suffer that kind of injury aren't "Killed" on the spot..but healed to fight again or are put out to "Stud" just like horses. I've been to plenty of both Dog and C%#k fights and its VERY rarely that a owner will let them fight to the death.
Keep telling yourself that. Dogs are loyal and want to please. Some sick strokes abuse that to have them attack each other solely for the amusement of the tiny subset of folk that get a kick out of such things. The "ultimate reward" for the dog's loyalty and desire to please it's master is having its flesh shredded and once it becomes useless for fighting or is too injured or it's just not good enough to "stud" it gets euthanized. I imagine it's not done in a Vets office either. And, of course, there are the dogs used to train the fighting dogs. What happens to them? Particularly the ones stolen from someone's back yard.
Charon
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I personally get a kick out reading stuff that complacent and corpulent posters submit from the relative affluence of the united states and condemn the actions of people who are esentially doing no worse than the man who fattens a pig and slaughters it prior to taking it to market or eating it. is it exploiting the animal? it sure is, just like a dog or cockfight is animal exploitation.
We usually don't hack a leg off, laugh and place bets on how long the pig can hobble around before it collapses. So no, I don't see a comparison. We need to eat and animals are protein. A basic need versus a casual entertainment based on suffering. If the culture involved raising the dog, killing it cleanly and eating it I don't have a real problem. Not my choice in meat, but a basic survival need being met.
Charon
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
So are you ok with your neighbors doing ilegal activities like this or dealing or whoring next door? It's a simple questions.
I don't live in a neighbor where that kind of activity occurs, however if I did I would most certainly report it because those activities are potentially harmful to my family. if there were a cockfight at the house next door I would report that as well but not for the cockfighting but because the element that is attracted to those events and venues in the united states are members of society that in my opinion are better off dead or institutionalized and not out and about in polite society.
if however the fights are occurring in a remote location as they do here and possible over in the people's republic I would feel no compunction to turn them in. again it's none of my business.
there is a place for everything under the sun. I'm not going to report a street walker on biscayne boulevard, that is a good place for her to ply her trade but she better not work on my street.
I hope you can grasp the difference but I suspect your emotions will probably not allow you to.
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Originally posted by Charon
These are living creatures, not someone's walkman. There are people that throw kittens on a BBQ grill for fun. Or soak a dog in gasoline and set it on fire. Can you defend that? There are plenty of sickos that torture animals for fun and get excited by it. The more extreme ones tend to move on to humans at some point, and I can't help but believe that even the ones who don't -- those that just get a big woody over a dogfight -- still have a little bit of Jeffery Dahmer living inside. The glee and satisfaction and excitement of seeing pain and suffering.
As you actually point out, we can tell you whatever we want as OUR beliefs warrant. Civilized society says that dog fighting is wrong. Just because you get some form of satisfaction from dog or rooster fights doesn't mean most of us in Western society can't think that it is sick. Now, I could easily kill another dog if my life was in danger or if it was in pain, but I personally can't imagine the mindset that would enjoy such a sport -- it's alien to me. Apparently it's alien to a lot of other folks as well. There are laws in place to punish people who act on those beliefs just like there are laws in place to punish the NAMBLA folk when they act on their beliefs, which might actually be acceptable in some cultures.
Keep telling yourself that. Dogs are loyal and want to please. Some sick strokes abuse that to have them attack each other solely for the amusement of the tiny subset of folk that get a kick out of such things. The "ultimate reward" for the dog's loyalty and desire to please it's master is having its flesh shredded and once it becomes useless for fighting or is too injured or it's just not good enough to "stud" it gets euthanized. I imagine it's not done in a Vets office either. And, of course, there are the dogs used to train the fighting dogs. What happens to them? Particularly the ones stolen from someone's back yard.
Charon
Well said as always Charon.
There are people that throw kittens on a BBQ grill for fun. Or soak a dog in gasoline and set it on fire. Can you defend that?
I think its clear from his posts he defends this and is upset the government passed laws interfering with what he and others can do on their private property.
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As of Thursday afternoon, a little update from Atlanta:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13904880/detail.html
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Originally posted by Charon
We usually don't hack a leg off, laugh and place bets on how long the pig can hobble around before it collapses. So no, I don't see a comparison. We need to eat and animals are protein. A basic need versus a casual entertainment based on suffering. If the culture involved raising the dog, killing it cleanly and eating it I don't have a real problem. Not my choice in meat, but a basic survival need being met.
Charon
but you see a basic survival need is indeed met money changes hands. it's a lucrative and respected trade in these places and it provides for many familie's incomes.
again, until you attend one of these venues and observe the behavior of the participants you have no basis from which to opine, other than from a purely culturally biased and emotionally biased perspective.
what would cause you type that anyone would be laughing at an animal being mauled?
no one laughs, moans is more of one hears at these events. I suspect if you laughed at the losing dog his owner would cut you up for your lack of respect.
it's kind of like in a boxing match.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Well said as always Charon.
I think its clear from his posts he defends this and is upset the government passed laws interfering with what he and others can do on their private property.
are you saying that I participate in these activities?
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Originally posted by storch
I don't live in a neighbor where that kind of activity occurs, however if I did I would most certainly report it because those activities are potentially harmful to my family. if there were a cockfight at the house next door I would report that as well but not for the cockfighting but because the element that is attracted to those events and venues in the united states are members of society that in my opinion are better off dead or institutionalized and not out and about in polite society.
if however the fights are occurring in a remote location as they do here and possible over in the people's republic I would feel no compunction to turn them in. again it's none of my business.
there is a place for everything under the sun. I'm not going to report a street walker on biscayne boulevard, that is a good place for her to ply her trade but she better not work on my street.
I hope you can grasp the difference but I suspect your emotions will probably not allow you to.
So you are wiling to stick your nose in the other peoples yards, those same yards you have been defending as private, when it affects you but until then its ok. So you are self centered hypocrite. Man you have class.
Did you ever stop to think maybe Vics neighbors turned him in, or just didnt like it? Wow you just shot your whole argument on why he shouldn’t be in trouble down. Way to go slick. ROFL!!
You are fooling yourself if you think you get any rise out of my but contempt and amusement. I am not emotional about it, why would I be, the vast majority if good Americans agree with me I am sure. Your the one who keeps calling me names because your losing the argument, yet I am the emotional one you’re a funny guy.
I mean really I have been laughing at you all afternoon.
You know that’s what we girls do when we get all emotional and stuff.
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All right this is crazy..Have I been to dogfight's before? Yes Do I know people that train fighting dog's? Yes Do I go to dogfights on a regular basis? NO!
Are my dog's mine to do anything I want to with? yes! Am I emotionally attached to my dogs? YES!!!
Are there people and culture's out there that thinks its expect-able to fight Dog's and C#$ks? Yes
Is there anything we can do about it?NO!!!!!!
Till you all start to realizes and admitt that it happens everyday and there isn't anything you can do about it no matter how much it might make you mad or sicken you. Make yourself feel better and become a volunteer cop and make America a safer place by helping bust the cocaine, crack, and heroin dealers in your town. I don't think you have to worry about Dog trainers on your corner trying to get our kid's hooked on Dogfighting!
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Originally posted by storch
are you saying that I participate in these activities?
No not participate, just dont care about it if its not your house and thorefore fine with it like you are with dog fighting. You said it many times you don't care what goes on in your neighbors yard. Well untill you said you did when it effects you.
There is an H word that applies to you.
And how can you not if you are not for the banning of animal fighting, why is Puppbbq worse then dog fighting?
Besides what do you care, its just internet banter, you don't get upset by that right?
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
Are my dog's mine to do anything I want to with? yes!
I'm sorry my friend, but according to the Federal Government, thats where you are wrong.
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very interesting arguments, but i would like to see Scotlvr and storch in a pit in a fight to the death. Now that would be entertainment.
two men enter, one man leaves.
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So Uncle Sam say's I can't have any of my dogs put to sleep anytime I want? I don't think so!!!
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Like I said before, what it ultimately comes down to is it's against the law. We all know that laws are not much of a deterrent, because they are broken every day. That said, essentially there is nothing to stop you from doing the action until you get caught. So whether you agree with the law or not, you have the ability to do it if you please, just understand, if and when you get caught, there are consequences and punishment.
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Originally posted by john9001
very interesting arguments, but i would like to see Scotlvr and storch in a pit in a fight to the death. Now that would be entertainment.
two men enter, one man leaves.
Men? lol
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When you people leave the coziness of your homes and leave the US and go see the REAL NASTY POOR world out there..not some plush resort in the bahammas or cancun, or a cruise ship ,but the REAL world where people live in tin freaking shacks with no electric or water,where people will dig through trash for evening dinner, and where if your C@#k or dog wins for the evening your family is good for a month..then we'll talk .......till then...
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That was passionate, and I have no idea about what.
:huh
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
When you people leave the coziness of your homes and leave the US and go see the REAL NASTY POOR world out there..not some plush resort in the bahammas or cancun, or a cruise ship ,but the REAL world where people live in tin freaking shacks with no electric or water,where people will dig through trash for evening dinner, and where if your C@#k or dog wins for the evening your family is good for a month..then we'll talk .......till then...
The distinction i think you two are failing to grasp in all of this is the fact that this didn't happen in some third world country. It doesn't matter if it is socially acceptable anywhere else. It is against the law here. Understand now?
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
Amen storch! I too hunt fish and heck I even keep my trapping permit current.
I wonder what these folks would like me to do with the coyotes that kill my families calves, and hogs? I guess I should let them off with a stern warning instead of a 30-06 round!
I don't think they grasp is a persons choice how the "Train" their pet. They are your pet and you can do as you want with them. Its your choice! Just like a car..you buy it..it's up to you what happens next.
If you can't figure out the difference between hunting, fishing, and trapping and dog fighting, you don't have any business with a gun. The object of hunting, fishing, and trapping is a quick humane end. Show me ANYTHING quick and humane about forcing two dogs into a ring to rip each other to shreds. If you don't grasp the difference between shooting a coyote, and putting two dogs in a ring and watching them tear each other to pieces, odds are you will get the ends of the rifle mixed up and do the world a favor. By the way, the guys in the TWRA are some of the most avid hunters, fishermen, and trappers in the country. Not a damned one of them defends or advocates dog fighting, or chicken fighting. As a former employee of the TWRA, and a life long hunter and fisherman, neither do I. There's NO similarity between hunting and dog fighting, NONE.
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Storch, the argument that you put forward that a man should be allowed to do what he wants with his own property is a very old one. The right to own property is basic to the very nature of our republic, and was one of the foundations our early legal system. Jefferson described it as one of the unalienable rights bestowed upon man by his Creator. Such rights are, by that definition, sacrosanct.
As history has shown, any such right or legal tenet can be abused by base and brutish men. In the Dred Scott decision the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that slaves were property, and could not be freed without their master's consent. A similar attitude exists in many of the poor Third World countries which you cite. How they treat their animals is sympomatic of a greater sickness which exists there. Some of those nations are simply rife with slave labor, child prostitution, and indifference to the sufferings of others.
That what troubles me most about this thread, the indifference exhibited by some of those posting here.
Yet, that isn't even the point, in my opinion. Michael Vick isn't some poor slob from an undeveloped country. He is a vicious, spoiled gang-banger who has millions of dollars worth of assets. The dog-fights he sponsored weren't necessary to feed himself or a starving family,
They were done for kicks...because his type of punk loves to thumb his nose at the law and at polite society.
Well, I am polite, but only to a point. The bottom line is this; American society has rendered it's judgement that such activities are illegal and unnecessarily brutal. I agree completely with that assessment.
If a neighbor of mine engages in such activities I WILL turn his bellybutton in.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
No not participate, just dont care about it if its not your house and thorefore fine with it like you are with dog fighting. You said it many times you don't care what goes on in your neighbors yard. Well untill you said you did when it effects you.
There is an H word that applies to you.
And how can you not if you are not for the banning of animal fighting, why is Puppbbq worse then dog fighting?
Besides what do you care, its just internet banter, you don't get upset by that right?
not at all upset least of all by anything you type. at least the parts I can read anyway.
you are a funny person. but not in the comical sense you are laughable and dismissable.
now since I enjoy this banter (enjoy? no, I love this banter) I will again attempt the impossible namely to attempt to clarify to your heavily estrogen clouded mind the difference between the two scenarios and the implications.
is it legal for a person to own livestock? yes. is it legal for my neighbor to keep livestock in his yard, yes. however it is against the deed restrictions of this community for him to do so. likewise there are zoning laws which are designed to curb land use in a developed area of any community. I chose to purchase this home and therefore I chose to abide by the deed restrictions that are imposed on all residents equally.
if a neighbor were running a drug ring the evidence would there for all to see due to the amount of traffic flow and the hours at which said flow occurs making it plain to the observant what is occurring. given the violent nature of that trade it would be incumbent upon myself and any other law abiding citizen to take the appropriate and prudent action of reporting the suspicious activity to local law enforcement.
that behavior on the part of myself or any other responsible citizen is neither incorrect nor is it hypocritical, it is in fact an obligation. apparently you have a blurred sense of values and commonly understood and accepted social behavior seems to escape you.
either that or you are attempting to annoy me, in which my dear you are powerless.
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Scot...I was in Mumbai in December '05. I saw all and more of what you are talking about.
Fortunately for me it was from a car that picked me up from the Grand Hyatt.
Also, I'm not American. Just ask any of the US guys here I've "butted heads" with over political and social issues....like GTO, Eagler, Shuckins (to a degree), Sharon (to a degree) etc etc Happily, but not surprisingly, I note that we agree on this particular issue wholeheartedly.
:aok
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Originally posted by storch
not at all upset least of all by anything you type. at least the parts I can read anyway.
you are a funny person. but not in the comical sense you are laughable and dismissable.
now since I enjoy this banter (enjoy? no, I love this banter) I will again attempt the impossible namely to attempt to clarify to your heavily estrogen clouded mind the difference between the two scenarios and the implications.
is it legal for a person to own livestock? yes. is it legal for my neighbor to keep livestock in his yard, yes. however it is against the deed restrictions of this community for him to do so. likewise there are zoning laws which are designed to curb land use in a developed area of any community. I chose to purchase this home and therefore I chose to abide by the deed restrictions that are imposed on all residents equally.
if a neighbor were running a drug ring the evidence would there for all to see due to the amount of traffic flow and the hours at which said flow occurs making it plain to the observant what is occurring. given the violent nature of that trade it would be incumbent upon myself and any other law abiding citizen to take the appropriate and prudent action of reporting the suspicious activity to local law enforcement.
that behavior on the part of myself or any other responsible citizen is neither incorrect nor is it hypocritical, it is in fact an obligation. apparently you have a blurred sense of values and commonly understood and accepted social behavior seems to escape you.
either that or you are attempting to annoy me, in which my dear you are powerless.
You missed your calling, you are such a self diluted sleaze you should have run for congress. As a democrat.
You finally came up with something better then calling me a women I see. Not much better, you not smart enough for that really. More reason why you would make a great politician.
Keep spinning away your like a top, spin spin spin, and all for what? Do you even have a point? We all know you are fine with people killing their possessions in any way they want, as cruel as they want, as long as you don't have to be bothered by, it its just their chattel to do with as they please.
Why do you keep making yourself look worse lol.
I mean you have some of the smartest people on the board pointing out how wrong you are but you keep spinning away, and when I say smartest people here I am not self deluded enough to think I am one of them.
You prolly think you are though. It sad really. For someone who claims to like banter, you really are not very good at it.
Your latest attempt to be insulting isn't original or even very good. You should work on that.
Funny stuff chief
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no one is attempting to insult you, unless of course you are offended by other's opinions.
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Originally posted by storch
no one is attempting to insult you, unless of course you are offended by other's opinions.
lol
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Originally posted by Scotlvr
When you people leave the coziness of your homes and leave the US and go see the REAL NASTY POOR world out there..not some plush resort in the bahammas or cancun, or a cruise ship ,but the REAL world where people live in tin freaking shacks with no electric or water,where people will dig through trash for evening dinner, and where if your C@#k or dog wins for the evening your family is good for a month..then we'll talk .......till then...
I Spent two weeks in NO immediately following Katrina, and a month and a half in Costa Rica and Nicaragua, however, I don't see the relevency to your arguement. Michael Vick wasn't in some third world country. Michael Vick was in the United States of America, the place where its a Federal Crime to participate in the actions he was sponsoring.
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well in any event I'm not offended by your opinion of me.
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Originally posted by storch
once again I have to explain that it's none of my business what anyone does with their personal property.
it's ok with me if he clubs them to death while watching oprah andf eating twinkies. I don't care.
you shouldn't either, it's none of your business.
you guys seem to have a problem with freedom of choice.
I am glad this sort of thinking is rare. You seem to think it is ok to have total disregard for the law if one is on his own property. You talk about how you think society is getting soft & weak, but then you don't care what anyone does on their own property? The major problem is people that just sit back and don't care if something wrong is going on. Freedom of choice does not mean you can do whatever the hell you want to do.
How about the guy cookin meth on his property? That ok with you? Or the person that molest their "own" kid on their property? Probably none of your business or concern.
Bottom line, he knew what he was doing & it is against the law. If it means a year or two in prison, so be it. He will just be suffering the consequences of his own actions.