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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: hawkeye32145 on August 15, 2007, 01:28:26 PM
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a new aces high w/ modern combat air craft, modern tanks and bombers
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wstpt10 on the last modern AH idea: Vulching takes a new meaning when some assclown can kill you at 20 some miles with an AIM-120.
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what you got against WW2? In my oppinion, WW2 MADE air combat. All the skill was in WW2, nowadays... all the planes pretty much fly themselves. In WW2, evey bit of the plane was controled by the pilot.
I'm not a fan of this idea. Not one bit.
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Originally posted by hawkeye32145
a new aces high w/ modern combat air craft, modern tanks and bombers
Bring it on please!!!!! I'd love to kill someone from 30milles out with out them even knowing I am there.
WOooowooooooooo :noid
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Ohhh, and dont forget the new 1000 x 1000 maps :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Jets and missles = boring as hell.
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Let's see how many MMO WW2 games there have been since the beginning..... gee.. too many to even COUNT.
Now, let's see how many MMO BVR-jetage games there have been?
Hrm... imagine that.
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Hi mate,
What's wrong with Aces High? Maybe you're mistaken, no jets here, this is a WW2 game. Aces High 3 will be a WW2 game too, only better...
You're new to this BB. Are you new to AH aswell? If you are a new comer and do this kind suggestion, I can only think two things:
1 - You don't like WW2-era games, you made a mistake, it's understandable...
2 - You don't know what you're talking about and decided to post something stupid like "this game is not for me, build me a new one"...
As a final note, there are several games available that may fulfill your desires and expectations. I am confident that you are completely able to do some web search and find them yourself.
This is a wishlist for Aces High players. Basically, what we would like to see in the game, within the game's time frame and focus. This is off-topic and a complete waste of space.
We will be looking forward for your next valid and productive contributions to Aces High 2 and those that will be carried and implemented in Aces High 3.
Aces High time frame is 1939 to 1945 and it's focused on aerial combat, aerial strategical and tactical bombing, general naval warfare and some armoured combat.
Cheers,
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The following is two F-22s in combat...
Pilot1-Oh no a bleep on my raydar.....what should i do?
Pilot2-Fire long range air to air no chance for that sucker missle at him!!!
* this is what a game would be like i give a big to pilots in life its just that bringing that kind of combat to a game <-- (the word game) just doesnt sound as much fun as dog fighting...
My 2 cents
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Originally posted by hawkeye32145
a new aces high w/ modern combat air craft, modern tanks and bombers
No, no, and no. I prefer that <> aim and shoot you down, instead of "my missle will do all the work."
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30 miles? That's WAY too close, i'll use a AIM-54, hit you from beyond the horizon.....
...ehem...
i agree with the others, modern aircraft just wouldn't be as much fun. But that being said, I would still personally like to see something like ah2 with Korean war aircraft.
just my thoughts
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I can hear the check six now "Warning you are screwed"
All you would see is missles flying back and forth across the skies and your buddies blowing up all around you. You would never see the enemy.
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WW2 sucks, i mean, i want planes like the X-wing and the Star Trek ship, I will hold my breath and stomp my feet until you give me what I want!
:furious :furious
:rolleyes:
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I say troll.
:noid
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no, very bad idea!
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errr no
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Originally posted by Oogly50
In my oppinion, WW2 MADE air combat. All the skill was in WW2, nowadays... all the planes pretty much fly themselves. In WW2, evey bit of the plane was controled by the pilot.
That's stupid. If you replaced all of your "WW2" with "the Great War" then you'd be absolutely correct. World War Two aerial combat was similar but closer to modern combat than Great War aerial combat was.
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Modern no, Korean Era : Sure why not
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Personally, I've always said this about HTC. IF they do put out a "Newer Planeset, I hope it is WWI."
oogly50, "WWI made air combat."
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muhahaha i wanna ho in my mig15:t
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put modern combat planes is a waste of time no dogfighting needed just locate enemy on radar fire heat seeker mission and move on and in order to do that you would have to make manned ack missles and coujldnt have manned AA cuz it woujld be missles and everything would be crappy war fiar WW2 aircraft and designs are the best..so how bout no AH3 with modern combat :noid :aok
MESS WITH THE BEST DIE LIKE THE REST
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Personally, I've always said this about HTC. IF they do put out a "Newer Planeset, I hope it is WWI."
oogly50, "WWI made air combat."
That would be da bomb. :aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Personally, I've always said this about HTC. IF they do put out a "Newer Planeset, I hope it is WWI."
oogly50, "WWI made air combat."
Actually I think Korea would be more fun. Jets with no missiles. Thatd be a hoot.
EDIT: Yes, I said hoot.
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Originally posted by Stampf
That would be da bomb. :aok
;)
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I think you guys have a very exaggerated view of what missiles are
c apable of. If you think the modern fighter jock just gives up and dies
after target lock you must be smoking the good stuff.
I'm neutral on jet combat, but I can tell you that fire and forget AIMs are
fairly recent and not fool proof. Thinking everything would be BVR in an
open arena like ours is silly too. Especially with something like killshooter
on...Holy Fratricide Batman!
From our Korea scenario in AW, I can say that jet combat tends to
spread things out alot. Ironically it seemed like you had to fly "softer" at
the higher speeds to prevent G-loc. You'd anticipate the move from further
out so that your moves would not have to be stick yanking corrections in
closer to the target.
All of us have our opinions and it's popular to pigpile the guy who
wishes for something like this. Doesn't mean that it cannot be done or
would lead to Air Quake. In the end, it's HT's decision as to what he wants
to build..and WW2 is what he knows best so far.
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HTC already made a WW1 flight sim for the Red Baron pizza company, or so I heard, you could probably get it off them!
Edit: Well, according to Wikipedia, and the sources were not listed.
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Originally posted by hawkeye32145
a new aces high w/ modern combat air craft, modern tanks and bombers
i'll reply in new player form.
2 wordz 4 u.
an-oh. nO.
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Originally posted by WolfSnipe
put modern combat planes is a waste of time no dogfighting needed just locate enemy on radar fire heat seeker mission and move on and in order to do that you would have to make manned ack missles and coujldnt have manned AA cuz it woujld be missles and everything would be crappy war fiar WW2 aircraft and designs are the best..so how bout no AH3 with modern combat :noid :aok
Dear Sweet Baby Jesus,
Can we try some punctuation?
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Get used to it, soon our grammar will be out of line.
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Originally posted by Denholm
Get used to it, soon our grammar will be out of line.
me thinketh that happens all redy
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What would the point be of it being called: Aces High.....
I see an Ace as someone who shot someone down with guns, not launching AIM-9X or a AIM-120 at them and never even knowing what color the plane was.... Wow, takes talent for that monkey to push the big red button in the plane flying by a computer.... :rolleyes:
So, that would be..... no
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I say no just for the simple fact that godforbid LTARS has access to SAM's :aok
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Originally posted by Sketch
What would the point be of it being called: Aces High.....
I see an Ace as someone who shot someone down with guns, not launching AIM-9X or a AIM-120 at them and never even knowing what color the plane was.... Wow, takes talent for that monkey to push the big red button in the plane flying by a computer...
Sorry, I agree that jets take no skill to fly and fight in compared to the old propeller ships, but your definition is bunk. An ace is a pilot who has made five air-to-air kills.
Rino, you greatly underestimate what modern missiles are capable of. Try Lock On: Modern Air Combat, and you'll see that combat never reaches visual range unless both parties allow it to happen. Then think that modern missiles are even less prone to missing than the ones in Lock On. Proof that you don't know what you are talking about are your statements about gees and friendly fire. There are two rather old, very neat inventions called the G-suit and I.F.F.
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We do not need any game with AIM-9X or a AIM-120, or Super Hi-Tech maneuvering planes, or comptuter flying planes because or three simple words.......
Old is Gold :)
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Sorry, I agree that jets take no skill to fly and fight in compared to the old propeller ships, but your definition is bunk. An ace is a pilot who has made five air-to-air kills.
Rino, you greatly underestimate what modern missiles are capable of. Try Lock On: Modern Air Combat, and you'll see that combat never reaches visual range unless both parties allow it to happen. Then think that modern missiles are even less prone to missing than the ones in Lock On. Proof that you don't know what you are talking about are your statements about gees and friendly fire. There are two rather old, very neat inventions called the G-suit and I.F.F.
So on both parts yeah.... your bunk on your response.
Five air-to-air kills...... Okay, figure in you are using just AIM-120's and just say you have 5 of them on you (magic plane or something). A 120 has a speed of around about Mach-4 and early versions have a range of roughly about 30-45 miles and newer versions have a range of roughly about 65 miles. So anywhere in between there your gonna get a kill.... so between 150-325 miles of distance you have that you can cover without EVER seeing the plane or target that your shooting at...... Yeah, real tough. Now, figure in that with an AIM-120, there is a proximity sensor in it so that when it feels the target moving away from it, it goes off.... So if it comes close to missing a plane it goes off. With two different types of warheads, one being a 50lb the other a 40lb one, there is considerable blast damage done. So, those 5 kill's you land with your missiles from a distance of 325 miles away.... big deal. Maybe you want the new model of 120's that have a range of over 100 miles. Rino is correct to a certain extent... they are not fool proof! Just because you get close does not mean your gonna get a kill. You might get that dreaded assist.... :D Aim-9X's are fire and forget but you can't go yanking and banking and thinking your good to go. There is alot to firing a missile, let alone dropping a bomb, than just a button and is done by the computers on board and on the ordnance itself. But with AIM-120's they are roughly around 90% effective. If it can't handle the shakin'n'baking from the enemy aircraft it will not have enough energy to hit the target. Yes, missiles rely on E too....
So before you bash "Flying by the seat of your pants" and getting those Ace kills with your guns and 'earning' them, get away from your Lock-On game, because it is a game.... not the real thing. If you want to know how I know about these I work with them every day in the Air Force. So, if you want to be considered an Ace with 5 missile kills, fine by me... But let me ask you: "Which came first, the guns on the plane or the air-to-air missles?" & "Which one was used for being called an Ace first?"
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Stupid, stupid, stupid! Stop making incredibly stupid, incredibly wrong assumptions about me. I find jet combat a crashing bore; if you'll look back at my previous posts, you'll see that I fully agreed with you that it takes far less skill to make a missile kill (or even a gun kill with a radar pipper and rotary-barrel cannon) than with good old fashioned machine guns. I have far more respect for the heroes who made their kills in old, weak airplanes (World War Two and especially the Great War) than for the kids who today casually lob a few missiles from the safety of their air-conditioned, automated superjets at some under-armed, out-dated junkheap with a pilot trained in the second world.
But the fact is that an ace is a fighter pilot with five air kills, and all of your fancy words cannot change that definition. All aces are not created equal, of course, but they're still all aces. Have greater respect for the old ones; they earned greater respect. But don't try to say that the kids who've made five kills in easy-fly fighter jets are not aces because their airplanes did most of the work. They're still aces.
Lastly, I will address your concerns about missiles. The newer generation of missiles are very nearly no-miss. They are, unlike previous generations, capable of hard, tight turns. They are faster, can pull more gees, and can climb and accelerate much better than aircraft. They're also much less prone to being spoofed. You think you know about missiles, but I advise you to read up on the newer ones.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Stupid, stupid, stupid! Stop making incredibly stupid, incredibly wrong assumptions about me. I find jet combat a crashing bore; if you'll look back at my previous posts, you'll see that I fully agreed with you that it takes far less skill to make a missile kill (or even a gun kill with a radar pipper and rotary-barrel cannon) than with good old fashioned machine guns. I have far more respect for the heroes who made their kills in old, weak airplanes (World War Two and especially the Great War) than for the kids who today casually lob a few missiles from the safety of their air-conditioned, automated superjets at some under-armed, out-dated junkheap with a pilot trained in the second world.
But the fact is that an ace is a fighter pilot with five air kills, and all of your fancy words cannot change that definition. All aces are not created equal, of course, but they're still all aces. Have greater respect for the old ones; they earned greater respect. But don't try to say that the kids who've made five kills in easy-fly fighter jets are not aces because their airplanes did most of the work. They're still aces.
Lastly, I will address your concerns about missiles. The newer generation of missiles are very nearly no-miss. They are, unlike previous generations, capable of hard, tight turns. They are faster, can pull more gees, and can climb and accelerate much better than aircraft. They're also much less prone to being spoofed. You think you know about missiles, but I advise you to read up on the newer ones.
I never once said anything in my post that you knocked WWII pilots or are there any 'assumptions' you claim I am making of you. I am not attacking you... and I don't need to do research on missiles or bombs. If you read my post: That is what I do for a living!! I deal with munitions all day, everyday! Like I said in my post: 90% accurate, which calculates into 'near' miss as you said. I never said an Ace is anything BUT someone who has gotten 5 air to air kills. If he used guns or missles, yes he is an Aces.... I never said he wasn't. What I said was that if you want to brag about getting those 5 kills without 'ever' seeing your enemy, well good on you. But it doesn't take away from where it originated from. I don't have concerns on the missiles of today because I know pilots and thier training on when to fire a missle and when not too. But the different between a missile and the aircraft it is after, the missile runs out of propulsion bud and if you can evade it long enough, you might be in that 10% of that 'near miss'. Contermeasures are used and not getting into that situation might help as well.
I never said "All aces are created equal" because they did it one way or the other and that's that.
As far a knowing about them and reading up on them.... tell you what, how about you go to a class on AIM-9X's or JDAM's, I already have.....
Stop thinking everone is making an attack on you and that 'we' as a community don't know anything about military history/aircraft. You need to settle down a bit.... breath in an out, not just in. :aok
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Originally posted by WolfSnipe
put modern combat planes is a waste of time no dogfighting needed just locate enemy on radar fire heat seeker mission and move on and in order to do that you would have to make manned ack missles and coujldnt have manned AA cuz it woujld be missles and everything would be crappy war fiar WW2 aircraft and designs are the best..so how bout no AH3 with modern combat :noid :aok
Heatseekers don't need radar..the seeker head in the missile provides the
guidance.
Heatseekers are also not capable of differentiating friendly from enemy heat
sources, nor are they Beyond Visual Range weapons for the most part.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Stupid, stupid, stupid! Stop making incredibly stupid, incredibly wrong assumptions about me. I find jet combat a crashing bore; if you'll look back at my previous posts, you'll see that I fully agreed with you that it takes far less skill to make a missile kill (or even a gun kill with a radar pipper and rotary-barrel cannon) than with good old fashioned machine guns. I have far more respect for the heroes who made their kills in old, weak airplanes (World War Two and especially the Great War) than for the kids who today casually lob a few missiles from the safety of their air-conditioned, automated superjets at some under-armed, out-dated junkheap with a pilot trained in the second world.
But the fact is that an ace is a fighter pilot with five air kills, and all of your fancy words cannot change that definition. All aces are not created equal, of course, but they're still all aces. Have greater respect for the old ones; they earned greater respect. But don't try to say that the kids who've made five kills in easy-fly fighter jets are not aces because their airplanes did most of the work. They're still aces.
Lastly, I will address your concerns about missiles. The newer generation of missiles are very nearly no-miss. They are, unlike previous generations, capable of hard, tight turns. They are faster, can pull more gees, and can climb and accelerate much better than aircraft. They're also much less prone to being spoofed. You think you know about missiles, but I advise you to read up on the newer ones.
Maybe you don't respect modern fighter pilots, but I sure do. They have a
much tougher road to actually enter the cockpit these days. The aircraft they
fly have much higher performance capability than the days of old, but the
human body remains the same.
They also have to fly many different types of missions against much
higher threat environments than a guns only area. They also have to be
able to assimilate MUCH more data than their predessors did.
I take nothing away from the classic fighter pilot, but thinking today's
guys have it easy is just plain ignorant.
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Make this game perfect first, then move on :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Stupid, stupid, stupid! Stop making incredibly stupid, incredibly wrong assumptions about me. I find jet combat a crashing bore; if you'll look back at my previous posts, you'll see that I fully agreed with you that it takes far less skill to make a missile kill (or even a gun kill with a radar pipper and rotary-barrel cannon) than with good old fashioned machine guns. I have far more respect for the heroes who made their kills in old, weak airplanes (World War Two and especially the Great War) than for the kids who today casually lob a few missiles from the safety of their air-conditioned, automated superjets at some under-armed, out-dated junkheap with a pilot trained in the second world.
But the fact is that an ace is a fighter pilot with five air kills, and all of your fancy words cannot change that definition. All aces are not created equal, of course, but they're still all aces. Have greater respect for the old ones; they earned greater respect. But don't try to say that the kids who've made five kills in easy-fly fighter jets are not aces because their airplanes did most of the work. They're still aces.
Lastly, I will address your concerns about missiles. The newer generation of missiles are very nearly no-miss. They are, unlike previous generations, capable of hard, tight turns. They are faster, can pull more gees, and can climb and accelerate much better than aircraft. They're also much less prone to being spoofed. You think you know about missiles, but I advise you to read up on the newer ones.
Sketch has been in the USAF a while, and is EOD. I'd have to say he knows more than yourself. In fact, I'd put my money on him.
You are a very angry person, maybe take that chip off of your shoulder?
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If anything i would like to see a World War 1 type Aces High, sticking to historical flight data and structural strength (Yay ripping off a wing cause your going 170) but i also realize that there already were a few games like that out and they didnt do well for online play but it would be fun to Gotha raid something :D
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why not use earlier jets. f-104 starfighters and such.. old school migs, AC-47s?! :) air to air missles werent in use yet. ( i think.. :-/ )
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
HTC already made a WW1 flight sim for the Red Baron pizza company, or so I heard, you could probably get it off them!
Edit: Well, according to Wikipedia, and the sources were not listed.
He made Dawn of Aces .
the problem is theres only about 100 of us that like our Spad's n Fokker's .
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If its free to play and download and uses realistic flight data and has the myrad of german fighters, id love to play it :D
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Gimme a Dr.1 and you're all toast!
Actually I would love to do some jet combat... korea or vietnam era.
the BVR missiles would be kinda gay but the other stuff would be alright.
Oh yeah... and NO SA2s for the LTARS!
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Korea maybe would be interesting to play as they still engaged in dogfights... however by vietnam we had the air to air missiles pretty much dialed in so unless you were out of them, it became a push button war.
F-86 Saber would be fun though :P
So would the British Triplane (For ww1)
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Originally posted by Hyentyte
why not use earlier jets. f-104 starfighters and such.. old school migs, AC-47s?! :) air to air missles werent in use yet. ( i think.. :-/ )
Sidewinder heatseekers been around since the late 50s. Falcons and
Sparrows in the 60s..that's just US stuff of course....other air-air missiles
were obviously out about the same time in other countries.