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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rino on August 15, 2007, 11:31:43 PM
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After warning a guy about bandit on six o'clock, I then watched him do
max G flat turning scissors to try to shake him. I then suggested that a
scissors is not the best move if you want a clear.
A small chorus of wouldbe fighter heroes wailed about me not wanting
them to do evasives. After trying to explain that the scissors isn't the
only evasive move..I decided to give up.
Some folks just ain't worth the effort.
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See Rule #4
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SRI Rino...Gotta go with hub on this one.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
See Rule #4
Go play with your relief tube :)
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by Rino
After warning a guy about bandit on six o'clock, I then watched him do
max G flat turning scissors to try to shake him. I then suggested that a
scissors is not the best move if you want a clear.
A small chorus of wouldbe fighter heroes wailed about me not wanting
them to do evasives. After trying to explain that the scissors isn't the
only evasive move..I decided to give up.
Some folks just ain't worth the effort.
my fave was when i chked someones 6 and he goes
"WTF are u doing checking my six, there isnt anyone behind........."
*bang* guy dies from dead 6 shot
system:- 711785 has left the game
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I watched a conga line of rook nooblets attempt to HO a P38 that I was fighting. two of them managed to smoke his engines, before theu could set up for yet another HO run I put a tater into the 38's cockpit getting kill.
after the kill I asked on range "why do you guys HO?" one southerner told that it was his 15 bucks and that he would play as he pleased, another who probably KS'd himself when his rounds missed the P38 and struck me denied he HO'd and the entire peanut gallery of six dweeblettes called me sundried names.
I invited them all to a friendly round in the DA but the respondant silence was deafening. I then suggested that I would switch to nits and kill them all even as the hid in ack, they responded with bravado. I logged off, logged back five minutes later, went to the same base and they had gone. the place was a ghost town, crickets and tumbleweeds.
these weren't even squeakers either.
I don't know if it's actually stupidity or just simply that the game is hard to master and frustrating to the noob, just the same I wish the baby seals would remain forever bish, after all thats where they belong.
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Originally posted by storch
the entire peanut gallery of six dweeblettes called me sundried names.
Is that like sundried tomatoes? They go well with cheeseburgers :D
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Originally posted by Rino
After warning a guy about bandit on six o'clock, I then watched him do
max G flat turning scissors to try to shake him. I then suggested that a
scissors is not the best move if you want a clear.
A small chorus of wouldbe fighter heroes wailed about me not wanting
them to do evasives. After trying to explain that the scissors isn't the
only evasive move..I decided to give up.
Some folks just ain't worth the effort.
Bahhahahahahahha :rofl You are right! You can't fix stupid
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Originally posted by Rino
After warning a guy about bandit on six o'clock, I then watched him do
max G flat turning scissors to try to shake him. I then suggested that a
scissors is not the best move if you want a clear.
A small chorus of wouldbe fighter heroes wailed about me not wanting
them to do evasives. After trying to explain that the scissors isn't the
only evasive move..I decided to give up.
Some folks just ain't worth the effort.
The suspense is killin' me ... so what is the BEST move ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The suspense is killin' me ... so what is the BEST move ?
To be the 6er instead of the 6ee. :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
To be the 6er instead of the 6ee. :)
Is your name Rino ? ... didn't think so ... go back to your chigga flickin' ... it's what you know best.
:p
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I don't know what the "best move" is, but when I get a check 6 I try to help..... well first I get over the shock of getting a "check 6" :D
A rolling scissors isn't going to help the friendly save my butt, so I would do my best to drag the enemy for the friendly. This includes calling out which way I'm turning (so the friendly can pull lead before the enemy even has started his turn), which way Im going to have to do a break turn and so on. Anything I can do to help clear my butt is a plus.
I think this is what Rino was talking about. He gave a check 6 and instead of getting some help in setting up the enemy, the guy just went into defencive mode. While it may help him to make it tough for the enemy to get a shot, it makes it even tougher for someone to save him.
On the other hand, some people just don't want to be saved, some love fighting at a disadvantage, so maybe that was it.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I think this is what Rino was talking about. He gave a check 6 and instead of getting some help in setting up the enemy, the guy just went into defencive mode. While it may help him to make it tough for the enemy to get a shot, it makes it even tougher for someone to save him.
I don't want anyone stealling my kill like that :rofl
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Is your name Rino ? ... didn't think so ... go back to your chigga flickin' ... it's what you know best.
:p
:rofl :aok
I have to admit.....I am Da Masta Chigga Flicka.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I don't know what the "best move" is, but when I get a check 6 I try to help..... well first I get over the shock of getting a "check 6" :D
A rolling scissors isn't going to help the friendly save my butt, so I would do my best to drag the enemy for the friendly. This includes calling out which way I'm turning (so the friendly can pull lead before the enemy even has started his turn), which way Im going to have to do a break turn and so on. Anything I can do to help clear my butt is a plus.
I think this is what Rino was talking about. He gave a check 6 and instead of getting some help in setting up the enemy, the guy just went into defencive mode. While it may help him to make it tough for the enemy to get a shot, it makes it even tougher for someone to save him.
On the other hand, some people just don't want to be saved, some love fighting at a disadvantage, so maybe that was it.
I have to agree all together on this one. Sometimes I drag for the friendly... sometimes I have an issue that may mean I have to react sooner. But I always appreciate a check 6 even if I die.....
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This is for Rino, you are right u cant cure stupid. If u dont think a scissors would work, tell u what, meet me somewhere and I will let u get on my six, and I garentee u that befor u know it I will be behind u sending u back to the tower the quick way.
Trying to argue against some of the best aces in the game is not going to help u much. You are right on one hand, scissors is not the best way to get a clear, but most good piliots arnt trying to clear, there setting u up for demise.
I think what u really were trying to do was get those guys to stay strait so u could get the kill off their six, and probly go mad when u couldnt hang in their hard break turn.
Plane and simple, if a bogey is on your six and faster than u, there is no real alternative but a hard G break turn.
Learn some ACM befor u get in here on the forum and talk about someone elses manuvers please.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Learn some ACM befor u get in here on the forum and talk about someone elses manuvers please.
Heh. YEAH, RINO, YOU NOOB, GO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT ACM!
- oldman
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
This is for Rino,
Learn some ACM befor u get in here on the forum and talk about someone elses manuvers please.
That's funny. For one, Rino (Phan) is older than dirt and he was prolly flyen cartton planes when you were in diapers :lol
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However in your defense, Scissors is not the most affective move if you have a E advantage, it is actually the worst manuver u can do.
I will retract what i said earlier, in the fact that I was not there to see what happend.
But everyone handles their problems differently. I myself like to let the guy on my six get confident and close in, befor I send him back to the tower wondering what the heck happend to him. If done right u can make it happen so fast the guy wont even think it was the guy he was chasing that shot him down.
However if there is someone on the bogey and I trust their skill leval, I will rope him up or a slow lead turn to set him up for the friendly.
Not everyone has the same skill leval that the pros do. We cant expect everyone to fly like they know what they are doing. Best u can do is help them out. Cover their six so maybe they stay alive long enuf and get lucky enuf to end up saving your butt once.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
This is for Rino, you are right u cant cure stupid. If u dont think a scissors would work, tell u what, meet me somewhere and I will let u get on my six, and I garentee u that befor u know it I will be behind u sending u back to the tower the quick way.
Trying to argue against some of the best aces in the game is not going to help u much. You are right on one hand, scissors is not the best way to get a clear, but most good piliots arnt trying to clear, there setting u up for demise.
I think what u really were trying to do was get those guys to stay strait so u could get the kill off their six, and probly go mad when u couldnt hang in their hard break turn.
Plane and simple, if a bogey is on your six and faster than u, there is no real alternative but a hard G break turn.
Learn some ACM befor u get in here on the forum and talk about someone elses manuvers please.
Phan would flat out pwn you. You'd be in the tower doing the dishes before you could say Palmolive.
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I never said Rino hasnt been playing the game for a long time. But if u dont think a scissor would work in that situation then you evidently do not know about that particular ACM and what it was designed to do.
The key to a scissor is getting slower than your enemy and move in behind him. If your enemy is already faster than u it makes it that much better.
But I also stated in Rinos defense, I was not there for the situation. If there were freindlys set up to kill him then the guy should have stayed strait and narrow and janked a little if the con was over 600 out, however inside of that, and its danger zone and u gotta do what u gotta do.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I will retract what i said earlier, in the fact that I was not there to see what happend.
Or, in this case, comprehending what Phan was saying in the first place ;)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
See Rule #4
Huh? Unless you meant that in complete sarcasm, it makes no sense. If someone is able to clear your six in the first place, it means that they have to have closure - be faster than you (and your bandit). If you pull a max-g maneuver, your bandit will pull for a guns solution on you 99.9% of the time, and your would-be benefactor either:
a) blacks out trying to get guns on your now violently maneuvering bandit who is attempting to follow your violent maneuvers...
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b) overshoots without a shot opportunity.
Does this mean you should never maneuver if someone might be able to clear you? No - like so much else in combat flight simming, it's a case of SA - determining what the threat level is, and whether or not you have the luxury of waiting for - and some trust in - the other guy to clear you, and factoring out whether you have a greater chance of survival if you drag or maneuver evasively.
If I'm under threat and hoping for a clear, I usually use a barrel roll evasive, or at times - and for a very short duration - a skid, rather than a scissors. And announce my defensive manuever on radio as I start it.
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Originally posted by Ghastly
Huh? Unless you meant that in complete sarcasm,
I can asure you. Hub would never do that!
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Originally posted by Vudak
Or, in this case, comprehending what Phan was saying in the first place ;)
Easy there Pilgrim, Rino is a very sensitive fella :rofl
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No I never said he was right. A scissor CAN and WILL work and is about the Only option with a faster bogey.
However there are all kinds of variables.
The friendly plane
The bogeys plane.
Speed of the planes.
How many were on him.
But I see everyday where there are 8 guys chasing a bogey on 1 friendly trying to tell him what to do to make it easy for them. and the friendly ends up dying cause the 8 are fighting so hard to kill him. Unless I have been in the air with u befor or I am seriously in trouble I will not listen to what someone else tells me to do, most just want to set it up so they get a easy kill and not care if u life threw it.
And befor u start hammering my skill leval. I may not have been on aces high as long as some of u. But I come all the way from air warrior. I have experience and I garentee u that I would hold my own if not better against most. U can balive that if I dont win it wont be easy for u or quick. I do listen to advice from others. But I also know when I should do what Im told and do what I need to do. I would be more than happy to duel anyone that wants to start bashing on my skill. I never said Rino was skilless, but that comment about scissors not working is false. Sure if he flys a p38 it wont. but for a spit, hurricane, 205, f4f,f6f scissors is a great manuver at any time.
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Ghastly put it way better than I could have, its all variables. I wasnt trying to bash Rino. I probly came off to strong on the first post. But maybe Rino should have posted what the guy could have done, instead of bashing the manuver he did do and making it out to be a usless manuver. I use scissors in my CORSAIR and I can make it work for me against most planes, especally those little pesky Las;)
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Some how the guy on the other plane always knows your situation better. I get plenty of advice all the time. People asking me to drag some one when I am doing 200 in a P40, etc. They just want the easy kill.
So, someone has an argument about what the best move was for someone else. he just looks at it from his point of view and not from the guy who got the 6 call. Did the guy just break after the 6 without looking? Was he seting the bad guy up? was he in a 190 or a spitV? It does not matter. The guy in the other plane knows better than him. Then argues about it and when people don't agree with him, he comes in here and calls them stupid.
Then, we find out that he has been flying for a while so everyone backs off and
does not call the post for what it is. Whaaaa, I told him what to do but he would not listen and then he talked back to me, whaaaaaa. I know of many people that have been flying for years but are still clueless. NOt saing that the poster is. Just saing that number of years in the game dont mean anything.
In anycase, he is right. You cannot fix stupid :aok
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But when u read the original Post a couple times. I guess what Rino was trying to say is that he got pounced on by people saying he was just trying to get the freindly to go where he wanted him to. I am sure Rino was trying to help the guy, but a PM msg probly would have been better for the situation, and maybe offer to show the guy some new stuff.
But heck I guess after all the ranting I have to agree with what he originally said and that u cant cure stupid and maybe he was flying around a bunch of tards who fly their planes like cardboard boxes.
I had to read the post a good 4 times to actually see he was talking more about the guys banter than he was the manuver.
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I am not backing off because of his experience. I still feel I could probly beat him in a 1 on 1;). You are right dedalos time spent playing means nothing. I own almost all the guys that helped teach me the game to begin with.
The fact is some people will never learn the game, they fly around like they are playing countrstrike trying to point aim and shoot. turn around go for another shot.
I do balive I came off to strong on that first post, and therefore I should apologize for that, and that I thought his post was saying a scissors wont work on a enemy on your six. But what he was really just doing is WHAAAAAA like u sad dedalos. Sometimes people do stuff so stupid in this game that we have to walk away from it for a few minutes or even come tell everyone about it on here to see who agrees with them;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
No I never said he was right. A scissor CAN and WILL work and is about the Only option with a faster bogey.
WRONG!
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I get what you're saying, Dedalos, but... You know, I'd believe YOU would have a decent chance of judging the E-states, situation, etc., to know what the immediate deal was, and I think Phan would too.
I think what Phan's basic gripe here was one that we probably all have. You go down, blowing your E to try and help a guy, and then he does something that completely blows any chance you had at clearing him.
It's kinda like when someone's dragging a bunch of cons, sees you coming in, and then lazily turns INTO you. If he had the E to make that turn and stay fast enough to stay alive, he could have just kept going straight too, but, he didn't, and now the shot you were setting up has to be scrapped, and you have to move on to Plan B.
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Originally posted by Vudak
I get what you're saying, Dedalos, but... You know, I'd believe YOU would have a decent chance of judging the E-states, situation, etc., to know what the immediate deal was, and I think Phan would too.
I think what Phan's basic gripe here was one that we probably all have. You go down, blowing your E to try and help a guy, and then he does something that completely blows any chance you had at clearing him.
It's kinda like when someone's dragging a bunch of cons, sees you coming in, and then lazily turns INTO you. If he had the E to make that turn and stay fast enough to stay alive, he could have just kept going straight too, but, he didn't, and now the shot you were setting up has to be scrapped, and you have to move on to Plan B.
I agree with that. Sometimes though when I get a six I may just break first look after. Not to mention that I don't know if someone is coming to help. Sometimes, I already know the guy is there and I have a plan. The guy asking me to go right or up is not going to be happy with me. Flat skizers not the best maybe, but it does work. Especially in a 190. It really depends on the situation. You cannot make a statement that that does not work. Sometimes it is the best move and sometimes the worst.
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After reading the various posts and Rino's original post, I never interpreted that Rino was in the position of "trying" to clear someone's 6 ... but now that I think about it, that is probably what he was alluding to ... a little more detail as to what transpired would have been good.
Also, if someone is already into a flat scissors ... it is far to late for them to straighten out so that you can get a clean shot on the bad guy. If he were to straighten out ... he would be killed instantly.
Rino is right tho ... you can't fix stupid ... just not sure this is a good example considering the lack of details in this scenario.
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Ya, I love it when I have a guy on my 6 @ D200-400 and you get some friendly trying to tell you not to turn that way or you should hold them straight just little longer.
What would be more useful is if the friendlies tell ya, break left, break right. Even then with a guy D200 on your six you're not worried about setting up a friendly for the kill, you're moving for your life because you only have a few seconds to pull a magical manoeuvre off or die.
It's like the guys calling out, "High B24" when everyone is at 3k or someone on range says low La7. WTF? A location reference added to that statement would be useful. :furious
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Details, Details.....
Enemy was a La-7 with a good deal of smash, but not smoking at 2k or
so closing medium fast on 3-4 friendlies vainly chasing an F4U.
I was 1,000 back in a typhoon closing slowly...checked six when bad guy
was approx 1.5-1.8K behind the friendlies. He picked one friendly single engine
type..no idea of plane type who then went into panic mode and immediately
started scissoring back and forth in a flat scissors.
In a tiffy, I have an excellent initial break due to the rudder authority but
limited turning ability sustained so I had to pull off the La-7 after the 2nd scissor.
When I said I suggested that flat scissors was not the best move..that's exactly what I did. I didn't pound on the guy, or even mention him by name.
That's when the great unwashed herd started wailing about me not
wanting them to do evasives. I tried twice to tell them that it wasn't all
evasives, just the large flat turns that were a poor choice.
After getting more flak than I was prepared to deal with over it..I decided
that it was better to mind my own business and let em die. Some lessons
need to be learned the hard way I guess.
As for what would have been a better move..a skid, a barrel roll, even
rolling scissors or just one plain break turn would have been better there.
You can generate a miss easily without making huge horizontal course
changes that make it virtually impossible to do better than snapshoting as
the deflection angle grows.
As for Warlock...who knows..maybe he could kill me with ease, plenty of
others can, no doubt. But making statements like his without knowing the
skill level of your oppo might lead to some embarassment too.
P.S. As to me arguing with the best sticks in the game....I've been flying
online in AW and AH since early 91. If these guys were the best in the game,
HTC might as well port over to Xbox and get it over with.
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Originally posted by Rino
After warning a guy about bandit on six o'clock, I then watched him do
max G flat turning scissors to try to shake him. I then suggested that a
scissors is not the best move if you want a clear.
A small chorus of wouldbe fighter heroes wailed about me not wanting
them to do evasives. After trying to explain that the scissors isn't the
only evasive move..I decided to give up.
Some folks just ain't worth the effort.
So you mean to tell us all that flyin around in a Typhie with 4-20 MM cannons and you can't clear someone???The frustration in your voice was very apparent.Upset cuz someone wouldn't hold still for you to shoot them.I can't count the number of times a bandit is moving in on my cartoon plane and some chump doesn't say a word about it, and i am not the only one this happenes to so by nature defensive manuvers is the best thing to do when your flying by yourself.I agree that starting those defensive manuvers from 1.5 out is not the best thing to do, more like at 400 -600 away, but what is worse here? scissoring at 1.5 out because you don't know any better, or calling someone a name cuz they are uneducated in dragging targets???
LEARN how to shoot is the bottom line here.
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See Rule #2
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
See Rule #2
you got skuzzyfied in under 5 minutes on that 1.Are ya catching on yet????
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Now you're off topic, but I'll be the one to get nailed for it.
Look, my first post was sarcastic. The flat scissors is not the only evasive. For those of you freaking out, get a grip on yourselves.
When a friendly is trying to clear you, help him. Meet the guy halfway. Call out your turns, or ask if the guy clearing wants you to do something. Maybe he's coming in hot, and will overshoot a hard turn, so maybe he'll call dive right or whatever, and you work together. You don't just start screaming back at him when he tries to help.
Phan's a good guy, and you guys giving him grief for trying to help and being chastised for it should just close your heads.
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Ok, I apologize for starting this. Ordinarily I'm smart enough to cool
off before venting on the BBS.
The funny part for me is that I wasn't cranked by the guy doing the
scissors..hey, take advice or not..up to you. It was the 5-6 other clowns
assuming they knew what I was talking about and commenting on it.
I have to admit that I don't go out of my way much anymore to help
new guys...but when I do offer advice, it's meant to help, not to bash.
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Oh yeah..I want to thank Hub and NB for getting me my first "Skuzzy"
Been posting for 6 years and the first one I've had edited yet, friends like
you clowns :D
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PH...
I will except that fact that I am stupid (we've both known that for years :)). However, I find it easier to help if the friendly does flat scissors in that situation. I simply follow the friendly and keep my speed up. By doing that, the enemy will eventually come into my gunsight...or break off. Either way, problem solved. Of course, this also assumes the guy knows how to fly a defensive scissor (for a lot of guys...this may be a BIG assumption).
Heck, it's still better than what most of them will do....turn as hard as they can, insuring that there is no way I will get a shot unless I dump E like crazy. As often as not, folks will drag the guy straight at me, insuring that my choices are head on or break off.
Oops, just read your post at the bottom of the thread. The best friends are old friends....glad I could help, bud. :D
hub...
You might wanna watch the "good guy" stuff with PH....his head expands easily. ;)
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With NB, it's not his head that expands easily..it's the rear end :p
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Originally posted by Rino
The funny part for me is that I wasn't cranked by the guy doing the
scissors..hey, take advice or not..up to you. It was the 5-6 other clowns
assuming they knew what I was talking about and commenting on it.
Whats with the names again???
No one assumed anything.You just started blurting it out for everyone to hear.
And since your an experten on dragging targets of what to do and what " NOT " to do, how about hitting the TA and showing some of those new cadets something???
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
And since your an experten on dragging targets of what to do and what " NOT " to do...
Yes he is...and blowing him away while he was dragging was one of my fondest memories of AW. Of course, we were on the same side at the time....:D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Yes he is...and blowing him away while he was dragging was one of my fondest memories of AW. Of course, we were on the same side at the time....:D
Technically I wasn't dragging NB..I was on the bandit in front of you in a
dive:D Btw..talk about lame excuses, "Testing my new videocard" indeed.
:lol
Btw sweet2th, trying to figure out why you keep humping my ankle...I've
never even talked to you much less antagonize you. :rolleyes:
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This is sooo funny Cause, I seen the film. I'll have to laugh at this post for awhile. Thanks for making my day a bit cheerful.
If the film ever gets posted i'm sure alot of people will think about the way it was explained here, and have a differnt perspective on this thread.
:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Rino
Technically I wasn't dragging NB..I was on the bandit in front of you in a
dive:D Btw..talk about lame excuses, "Testing my new videocard" indeed.
:lol
Btw sweet2th, trying to figure out why you keep humping my ankle...I've
never even talked to you much less antagonize you. :rolleyes:
To be more accurate...
You were chasin' one and towin' one. I was tryin' out my new vid card and flying without icons. Lined up the target...perfect lead...blew the crap outta him. Ooops, it was PH. :D
The only funnier one (from AW) was when I went PNG when I tried to help the squad CO.....and shot him down. :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
I can asure you. Hub would never do that!
To be honest I thought hub's first comment was aimed at Rino and his Mustang in the scenario inferring that nice flat scissors would work nicely for hub and his 109:)
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Originally posted by Rino
Btw sweet2th, trying to figure out why you keep humping my ankle...I've
never even talked to you much less antagonize you. :rolleyes:
Don't worry, he's just an ankle humper and you at the moment have the sexiest ankles in AH. Last week it was SAPP's turn when he tried to create PIMPS. It's best just to ignore what TedStryker posts.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
To be honest I thought hub's first comment was aimed at Rino and his Mustang in the scenario inferring that nice flat scissors would work nicely for hub and his 109:)
You're pretty sharp for a bomber dweeb. :D
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Originally posted by Rino
Btw sweet2th, trying to figure out why you keep humping my ankle...I've
never even talked to you much less antagonize you. :rolleyes:
Because you were blurting out crap in a arena about what people should do as to help you get yer wittle killz,
then u come on this BB spittin the comelete opposite of what you did.The INtensity of your voice @ the time tells me you need to take a break from Aces High on the for real tip.
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Originally posted by Anyone
my fave was when i chked someones 6 and he goes
"WTF are u doing checking my six, there isnt anyone behind........."
*bang* guy dies from dead 6 shot
system:- 711785 has left the game
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by storch
I watched a conga line of rook nooblets attempt to HO a P38 that I was fighting. two of them managed to smoke his engines, before theu could set up for yet another HO run I put a tater into the 38's cockpit getting kill.
after the kill I asked on range "why do you guys HO?" one southerner told that it was his 15 bucks and that he would play as he pleased, another who probably KS'd himself when his rounds missed the P38 and struck me denied he HO'd and the entire peanut gallery of six dweeblettes called me sundried names.
I invited them all to a friendly round in the DA but the respondant silence was deafening. I then suggested that I would switch to nits and kill them all even as the hid in ack, they responded with bravado. I logged off, logged back five minutes later, went to the same base and they had gone. the place was a ghost town, crickets and tumbleweeds.
these weren't even squeakers either.
I don't know if it's actually stupidity or just simply that the game is hard to master and frustrating to the noob, just the same I wish the baby seals would remain forever bish, after all thats where they belong.
i think it's a combination.....i get frustrated too...as i think we all do at times, and say/do things we nromally wouldn't.......and we sometimes tsake this too seriously. what i seem to notice about you though, is that you are very easy going here in the boards, and seem to try to be very helpful sometimes here too. in the arenas you seem to be a very different person........you COULD have offerd the noobs some help/advice, rather than challenging them to DA,,,,,,,,i see your comments on 200 a lot.........i've had them directed at me a few times, and since you seem to tend to change countries, you've even helped me out by clearing enemies off my bombers. there's a LOT of players in ere that are glad to offer help, and after a year and a half i still listen and take advice...ind in 5 years i'll STILL take advice. next time you see noobs like that, try to educate them......look at it this way.......it'll benifit you too, as if you teach them how to actually fight, there's that many more pilots that you'll get good fights from eventually.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I don't know what the "best move" is, but when I get a check 6 I try to help..... well first I get over the shock of getting a "check 6" :D
A rolling scissors isn't going to help the friendly save my butt, so I would do my best to drag the enemy for the friendly. This includes calling out which way I'm turning (so the friendly can pull lead before the enemy even has started his turn), which way Im going to have to do a break turn and so on. Anything I can do to help clear my butt is a plus.
I think this is what Rino was talking about. He gave a check 6 and instead of getting some help in setting up the enemy, the guy just went into defencive mode. While it may help him to make it tough for the enemy to get a shot, it makes it even tougher for someone to save him.
On the other hand, some people just don't want to be saved, some love fighting at a disadvantage, so maybe that was it.
best i've found when i get a check6........i LISTEN! 9 out of 10 pilots that send me a check, will immediatly follow up with an" i'm comming!"" then they tell me which way to go to help them help me. generally a ""break left!!"" or ""break right!!"" i've found that if i follow through like they want me to, they get their kill, and i get the help i needed.....and i get to try again to kill rather then be killed.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I never said Rino hasnt been playing the game for a long time. But if u dont think a scissor would work in that situation then you evidently do not know about that particular ACM and what it was designed to do.
1) go to the top and re-read his original post. it seems to me that when he's trying to help the guy getting shot up, and that guy wants/needs the help, he needs to do maneuvers that'll set up the bogy for a quick/easy kill....in the instance i interrpret, then the scissors is bad as the guy trying to help you is gonna be way too fast to make that shot then.
you mentioned a climbing turn to rope an nmy for another,,,,,,,,everyone i see do this gets killed beofre the bogy......again like i mentione in another post....when given a check6....the person'll usually tell ya which way ya need to go to help him help you.
just my .02
The key to a scissor is getting slower than your enemy and move in behind him. If your enemy is already faster than u it makes it that much better.
But I also stated in Rinos defense, I was not there for the situation. If there were freindlys set up to kill him then the guy should have stayed strait and narrow and janked a little if the con was over 600 out, however inside of that, and its danger zone and u gotta do what u gotta do.
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Originally posted by CAP1
look at it this way.......it'll benifit you too, as if you teach them how to actually fight, there's that many more pilots that you'll get good fights from eventually.
Thats not what the majority of AH players want.They want kills to land for the WTG's from thier gurlfriends so thier wittle score will be better, and maybe they get on the front page.
The majority will not help the new Cadets because they had to learn the hard way and so should the NEW CADETS is the majoritys motto.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Because you were blurting out crap in a arena about what people should do as to help you get yer wittle killz,
then u come on this BB spittin the comelete opposite of what you did.The INtensity of your voice @ the time tells me you need to take a break from Aces High on the for real tip.
Ok anklehumper..what's your ingame handle..so I know who to ignore.
I still haven't forgotten the BS you spewed concerning my diabetes..and I'm
now starting to take you personally.
As for the "crap" I spewed..I'm guessing you were one of the herd of doinks
wonk wonking on country.
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Originally posted by Rino
I still haven't forgotten the BS you spewed concerning my diabetes..and I'm
now starting to take you personally.
You gonna cry now?????? I am a diabetic, check your sugar and you'll have no problems.
Stop blurting out to other what they should do and what they shouldn't do without sending them a check for 15$.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
You gonna cry now?????? I am a diabetic, check your sugar and you'll have no problems.
Stop blurting out to other what they should do and what they shouldn't do without sending them a check for 15$.
Sweet2th, the day you post something intelligent is the day I'll have my first heart attack!
You didn't answer Phan's question on "what name you use in game" I know you've gone through a number of names here, with a couple of them gone due to PNG, so what shade you flying under now?
As to the main post here, I see nothing wrong in pointing out to someone I checked 6 that had they been a bit "smarter" in their evasives I might have been able to help save them. We all know that you are such a superior cartoon pilot that you can't concieve of being in a postion to need help, but others do. Phan's post only was directed to those who could benifit from it.
So climb back under your bridge ya little troll, and let those who want to learn, read some information that might aid them.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Sweet2th, the day you post something intelligent is the day I'll have my first heart attack!
You didn't answer Phan's question on "what name you use in game" I know you've gone through a number of names here, with a couple of them gone due to PNG, so what shade you flying under now?
As to the main post here, I see nothing wrong in pointing out to someone I checked 6 that had they been a bit "smarter" in their evasives I might have been able to help save them. We all know that you are such a superior cartoon pilot that you can't concieve of being in a postion to need help, but others do. Phan's post only was directed to those who could benifit from it.
So climb back under your bridge ya little troll, and let those who want to learn, read some information that might aid them.
Well said joe :aok
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Welp, it looks like bigmouth won't pony up the stones to identify himself,
so back on the ignore list he goes.
With his attitude and demeanor, I'd think a trip to the drugstore could be
very traumatic...after all, one tube of Preparation H and he's history :D
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Originally posted by Rino
Welp, it looks like bigmouth won't pony up the stones to identify himself,
so back on the ignore list he goes.
With his attitude and demeanor, I'd think a trip to the drugstore could be
very traumatic...after all, one tube of Preparation H and he's history :D
it used to be 1hunglo but I'm sure that's a lie there isn't enough weight to cause anything to hang low on that player.
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Originally posted by storch
it used to be 1hunglo but I'm sure that's a lie there isn't enough weight to cause anything to hang low on that player.
Thats not what Mrs.Storchito said............
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is that the best you can do? try harder, impress me.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats not what Mrs.Storchito said............
...Sad.... :lol
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Sweet2th, the day you post something intelligent is the day I'll have my first heart attack!
You didn't answer Phan's question on "what name you use in game" I know you've gone through a number of names here, with a couple of them gone due to PNG, so what shade you flying under now?
As to the main post here, I see nothing wrong in pointing out to someone I checked 6 that had they been a bit "smarter" in their evasives I might have been able to help save them. We all know that you are such a superior cartoon pilot that you can't concieve of being in a postion to need help, but others do. Phan's post only was directed to those who could benifit from it.
So climb back under your bridge ya little troll, and let those who want to learn, read some information that might aid them.
He made this wittle thread to say something about myself questioning himself in the MA for telling people not too scissor when someone is trying to clear you, and he did so by sounding like someone who has a corncob jammed where the sun doesn't shine.Just because he lacks the ability to clear someone regaurdless of what they are doing is not my problem.
And yes your right i don't need anyone too clear me because i want you to get on my 6 in the first place.I am the guy who reminds the rest of the " Thurston Howell III " wanna be's that they are average people just like the rest of us.
Yes i do change my name a lot, only because i come up with funnier ones than before, it looks cool when you see:
SYSTEM:You shot down AkRAkHed
and i change my name cuz i can, you don't like it???send me a check for 15$.I also except Visa,Master Card, American Express and FODD STAMPS.
1020:aok
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
looks cool when you see:
SYSTEM:1hunglo is AkRAkHed
and i change my name cuz i can, you don't like it???send me a check for 15$.I also except Visa,Master Card, American Express and FODD STAMPS.
1020:aok
hey now, how can one fault a guy who "eccepts FODD STAMPS" yes folks, this player is certainly posting in the proper thread.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again... GOOD CALL, TC! :aok
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Well after reading Rinos post I think we was in the right fort he most part. What he said did make some sense.
And u are right RINO u dont tell someone u can own them without knowing their skill lvl. What made me mad was when someone posted u would own me like a red headed step child.
In all honesty I think it would be a awsome fight between us.
But I agree with orignal Thread u cant Fix stupid.
Like the fools last night who tried to bash me and dredger for taking TT and for running our HUGE missions.
I think thats what the game was designed for, if u didnt want us to take TT u should have defended.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
Like the fools last night who tried to bash me and dredger for taking TT and for running our HUGE missions.
I think thats what the game was designed for, if u didnt want us to take TT u should have defended.
Well, gee, that was really nice of you :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Vudak
Well, gee, that was really nice of you :rolleyes:
Fool! :furious
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Originally posted by storch
it used to be 1hunglo but I'm sure that's a lie there isn't enough weight to cause anything to hang low on that player.
Correct, it used to be that.
Tarttooth, you really have contributed nothing to this thread, let alone to the game. Why must show the world which "Village" you are missing from?
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ive meet this guy(1hung) in the ma and i personally agree find yourself as guppy said a "relief tube". phans from my experience got some mad pony skillitz:D
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
He made this wittle thread to say something about myself questioning himself in the MA for telling people not too scissor when someone is trying to clear you, and he did so by sounding like someone who has a corncob jammed where the sun doesn't shine.Just because he lacks the ability to clear someone regaurdless of what they are doing is not my problem.
And yes your right i don't need anyone too clear me because i want you to get on my 6 in the first place.I am the guy who reminds the rest of the " Thurston Howell III " wanna be's that they are average people just like the rest of us.
Yes i do change my name a lot, only because i come up with funnier ones than before, it looks cool when you see:
SYSTEM:You shot down AkRAkHed
and i change my name cuz i can, you don't like it???send me a check for 15$.I also except Visa,Master Card, American Express and FODD STAMPS.
1020:aok
Sweet2th you may need to rethink your definition of "average" and what merits your qualification for such status. The fact that a financial institution may have recklessly provided you a line of credit is not enough to hit the mean. Please think hard, correcting for any overzealous grade school teachers who laid on the self-esteem speech too thick before you: (please pick one) dropped out/were kicked out/got pregnant.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats not what the majority of AH players want.They want kills to land for the WTG's from thier gurlfriends so thier wittle score will be better, and maybe they get on the front page.
The majority will not help the new Cadets because they had to learn the hard way and so should the NEW CADETS is the majoritys motto.
ya know, i was kinda thinking that as i was typing, but i've been lucky enough to find some good figfhts lately, so i was hoping to be wrong bout what you said
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Originally posted by CAP1
ya know, i was kinda thinking that as i was typing, but i've been lucky enough to find some good figfhts lately, so i was hoping to be wrong bout what you said
Cap...
There are folks out there that are willing to help noobs/dweebs learn to be better players...simply because better players make for a better game.
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Geez,
This thread still has legs....
Theres plenty of "stupid" to go around in the MA....
And while I agree with Rino to a large extent here is the true reality. You have no obligation to clear the guy (chk 6 is a "required" undertaking IMO). H'es the guy flying his cartoon plane and he's got to fly how he "feels" is right.....as stupid as that is.
If I'm clearing a squaddie then I'm in till we're both out or both dead, but other then that the moment I see your simply banging to brains cells togeather to generate heat then I start thinking about pickin the guy on your 6 and if you live or not is a secondary consideration. Now there are alot of non squaddies I respect and i'll treat them like I would a squadmate...but thats an earned disticntion...
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Cap...
There are folks out there that are willing to help noobs/dweebs learn to be better players...simply because better players make for a better game.
howdy NB! long time no see......i know there is......i've gotten a LOT of help from some greatr pilots in the LW arenas. my original comment was concerning pilots like stochita, who simply seem to feel the need to berate everyone in the arenas....those 6 noobs he referenced COULD turn into good pilots, and then they'd be good fights, or good wingmen.
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