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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on August 19, 2007, 03:42:25 AM
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I hate a theif, always have. Yesterday I get a heads-up from the store acoss town that a shoplifter was stealing steaks. I check my surveillence and sure enough, he has hit me for about $300 in beef stuffed down his pants. Yep, $300 in his pants.
I call the local PD and file a report. The cop tells me, "If he comes in again call us and we can ID him, but we can't arrest him". WTF:huh
I have him on video commiting a crime and they can't arrest him??? What kind of message does this send to the community?
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Originally posted by rpm
I hate a theif, always have. Yesterday I get a heads-up from the store acoss town that a shoplifter was stealing steaks. I check my surveillence and sure enough, he has hit me for about $300 in beef stuffed down his pants. Yep, $300 in his pants.
I call the local PD and file a report. The cop tells me, "If he comes in again call us and we can ID him, but we can't arrest him". WTF:huh
I have him on video commiting a crime and they can't arrest him??? What kind of message does this send to the community?
Dammit...
Catch the Bassturd and bring him to the Butchers Counter.
Show him a few fine cuts of Beef, some Sausage... a Blade...
Then hand him a Cell Phone and yank his frikkin pants down next to the choppin block. Give him 2 minutes to call anyone he can... before you chop his watermelon off.
My bet is he calls 911...
But that's just me....
:aok
Mac
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RPM, that sux, I know. I hate to say it, but the cop probably feels just as frustrated at you. Depending on what state you live in, the crime of shoplifting is only a misdemeanor until it reaches a certain dollar amount.
In Massachusetts shoplifting is actually one of fourteen crimes that are misdemeanors that a police officer can arrest for without actually witnessing the act. But when the suspect gets to court, thats another story. I wish we could bring back some form of capital punishment. Cut their fingers off would be nice.:D
Obie
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Have him tape the "Fillet of donut" sign in the window.....
March him back to the Butchers counter and start up the meat slicer...
Wanna bet he cries like a lil girl?
Dammm I just got shivers....
Mac
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$300 is not enough? If I steal 5 cents worth of gasoline it's an automatic loss of DL and a $1000 fine? Steal $300 worth of prime rib and it's Cookout at the Apollo.
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You steal Gas?
You Bastage!!!!
:furious
Mac
:rofl
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I'm just saying, you can tell who the government wants to protect. Funny, ain't it?
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There will be a steak BBQ at my place next weekend.
Free steak to AHers.........while they last. :)
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having a hard time picturing $300 worth of steaks in someones pants.
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A dedicated obese shoplifter would liposuction his legs.
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Originally posted by john9001
having a hard time picturing $300 worth of steaks in someones pants.
go visit a sporting girl they'll show you some licketty split
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Left field curve ball, look out! :lol
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Something to do with the admissability of video anymore...with the editting capability, I am not sure you can trust it.
Too bad you can't just beat the crap out of him, then give him a steak for his black eye.
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If your store could keep the property tax it pays for these apparently useless cops (I believe this isn't the first time you have posted a story like this), you could pay for a private investigator to actually track down the guy. It would probably be cheaper and more effective.
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Yeah, they let another shoplifter off after he was caught in the act at another store. I had him on video stealing my stuff but he had already dumped it somewhere when he was caught. They wrote him a ticket and we got nothing.
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Originally posted by rpm
I hate a theif, always have. Yesterday I get a heads-up from the store acoss town that a shoplifter was stealing steaks. I check my surveillence and sure enough, he has hit me for about $300 in beef stuffed down his pants. Yep, $300 in his pants.
I call the local PD and file a report. The cop tells me, "If he comes in again call us and we can ID him, but we can't arrest him". WTF:huh
I have him on video commiting a crime and they can't arrest him??? What kind of message does this send to the community?
Reap what you sow, lefty. Vote for liberals, get this. I love it.
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I worked at place that was broken into at night and computers were stolen. The guy parked his car in a place that the cameras got his plate. The cops were waiting at his house a morning or two later and caught him with newly stolen computers.
The tape can be presented to a jury but unless the video shows him put the steaks in his pants and then exit the store you don't have proof he stole them. He could say he put them in his pants but paid for them before leaving the store.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Reap what you sow, lefty. Vote for liberals, get this. I love it.
steve are you saying that just because he's politically nieve he deserves to be a victim of crime?
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Iron, wouldn't that imply that the store edited its sales/inventory records?
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Originally posted by storch
steve are you saying that just because he's politically nieve he deserves to be a victim of crime?
I'm saying that there is a certain grim satisfaction in knowing that these leftist nutjobs suffer some consequences for their ignorance.
Deserve? Yes. literally.
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Put this sign in the window:
Shoplifters will be killed and eaten.
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Originally posted by AKIron
The tape can be presented to a jury but unless the video shows him put the steaks in his pants and then exit the store you don't have proof he stole them. He could say he put them in his pants but paid for them before leaving the store.
Register receipts could easily dispute that claim ~ that's the purpose for time & date stamps.
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Originally posted by rpm
I hate a theif, always have. Yesterday I get a heads-up from the store acoss town that a shoplifter was stealing steaks. I check my surveillence and sure enough, he has hit me for about $300 in beef stuffed down his pants. Yep, $300 in his pants.
I call the local PD and file a report. The cop tells me, "If he comes in again call us and we can ID him, but we can't arrest him". WTF:huh
I have him on video commiting a crime and they can't arrest him??? What kind of message does this send to the community?
Put the video on Youtube, they've caught other criminals this way.
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Originally posted by moot
Iron, wouldn't that imply that the store edited its sales/inventory records?
Steaks may have been stolen by someone else.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'm saying that there is a certain grim satisfaction in knowing that these leftist nutjobs suffer some consequences for their ignorance.
Deserve? Yes. literally.
kinda harsh steve, just saying.
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That only works out in his favor if there is a larger number of unaccounted steaks than hamburglar carried.
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Originally posted by moot
That only works out in his favor if there is a larger number of unaccounted steaks than hamburglar carried.
LOL ~ hamburglar
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Hehe
Just because there may be steaks unaccounted for is not proof this guy left without paying for them nor would be the fact that he might not have a receipt for those he stuffed down his pants on camera. Do you keep all your shopping receipts?
My wife occasionally opens a bottle of water in the store and drinks from it. On camera it might look like she is stealing it but she pays for it when she leaves the store even if it's an empty bottle.
Don't get me wrong. I'm confident the guy stole them but Cops can't arrest everyone merely on suspicion.
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Dang, that's right..
Theft is taking those steaks from where RPM put em and out of the store without paying for them. So wouldn't a continuous recording of those very steaks from their arrival on the shelves, into his pants, and from there straight out the store past the registers be proof enough?
All there'd need to be is enough cross-reference to validate the recording's continuity. All he has to do is walk past the registers once for it to be theft.
If the video surveillance was airtight, it would probably be possible to keep a tally of steaks substracted from the shelves versus those paid for at the cashiers'. Barring any other thefts, those steaks would be the only ones AWOL.
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If they can't arrest him for stealing when you've caught it on you own video, an they arrest you for clubbing him with a baseball bat?
Technical problems with your recording device may just decide to occur as you do this......
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Well, rpm would need video evidence of the particular bar coded packages that baggy pants stuffed down his drawers. he could then show that those packages are missing and were taken. I doubt his cameras have that sort of resolution though.
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Every other package earmarked by barcode being accounted for in the transaction records isn't proof enough?
The only loophole in this case would be for hamburglar to swap meat with the law-abiding customers, before reaching the cashiers.
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Originally posted by moot
Every other package earmarked by barcode being accounted for in the transaction records isn't proof enough?
The only loophole in this case would be for hamburglar to swap meat with the law-abiding customers, before reaching the cashiers.
Here's the scenario to which I allude:
Cheap mom puts steaks in her cart and later stuffs them in her purse out of sight of the camera. She leaves without paying for them. These are now the only steaks unaccounted for.
Baggy pants sticks the steaks in his pants to relieve swelling or maybe just because he uh, well, nevermind. Before leaving the store he pulls them out of his pants and pays for them.
The only steaks missing are the ones cheap mom stole but there is no record tying those to her or the ones baggy pants paid for and took home and uh... ate.
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I've had people pull off the tags from ground beef and put them on packages of steaks.
The butcher is who caught it first and pointed it out to the rest of us.
Needless to say, the cashier was at fault partially because she didnt care to read the tag on several packs of T-bones that said "73/27 GROUND BEEF"
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My point is it ain't stealing to stick something in your pocket at the store, or at least it shouldn't be. Walking out of the store without paying is. If your cameras don't cover the whole store they should.
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The easiest way to show rpm's thief did lift those steaks is with an uninterrupted recording of him from the meats area to the registers, where the footage shows there is no way for the steaks to leave his pants, which is unfeasible. If he stays behind a clothes stand long enough, you could argue he salvoed the steaks there.
It would get Orwellian, but if the surveillance cams were synced with the registers, you could differentiate each sale and so ID every batch of steaks bought. Here, if the surveillance is omnipresent, cheap mom is by elimination the only one whose steaks are unaccounted for.
But then, back i the real world with less than omnipresent cams, that's assuming everyone is either paying for exactly what steaks they show or not paying at all; so steak boy could just bait the cameras with a few dummy steaks while smuggling a bunch more under his pants. And you have no way to tell who's carrying steaks incognito or not, so that the missing steaks could be pooled between any number of people.. those steaks are good as gone.
Magnetic tags like books have might be the most effective solution, but that's probably not worth the expense in RPM's case.
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I confess..i did it!!
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FWIW in AZ., willfull concealment of the merchandise is sufficient for the store employees to detain for shoplifting. Placing the steaks inside his pants would qualify.
I really don't know if the tape would be sufficient for a prosecutor to file on. That would have to be dependent on the policy of the county / city prosecutors office.
A second occurance of the theft by the same suspect might be sufficeint grounds to charge for a felony burglary if the statute is the same as in Arizona.
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the thief is thinking "$300, WTF, i only took two steaks". RPM took the rest and claimed a $300 theft. It's a old insurance con.:lol
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Maverick, what happened to the #3 in your signature?
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Originally posted by Maverick
FWIW in AZ., willfull concealment of the merchandise is sufficient for the store employees to detain for shoplifting. Placing the steaks inside his pants would qualify.
I really don't know if the tape would be sufficient for a prosecutor to file on. That would have to be dependent on the policy of the county / city prosecutors office.
A second occurance of the theft by the same suspect might be sufficeint grounds to charge for a felony burglary if the statute is the same as in Arizona.
yup and sometimes the store employee can effect a sentence of death on the thief right then and there. More than one shoplifter has been killed here in AZ by store employees. The usual form of execution: suffocation by sitting on thief. Sweet. A few more of those and some thieves might actually be deterred.
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Originally posted by texasmom
Maverick, what happened to the #3 in your signature?
He needs a "this number left intentionally blank" ;)
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Originally posted by texasmom
Maverick, what happened to the #3 in your signature?
It came because my sig, which was the same thing I have now was deleted by a mod who felt it had more than 5 lines. The numbers just make it easier for a mod to see it is in compliance.
Steve, you really are out there on that one. Yep folks have died resisting and also attempting to make the detention. The occurrence is very small. I suppose you have a different solution to detain a thief who threatens the staff or does commit an assault on them while practicing his / her craft of stealing. Perhaps the store should just remove those pesky clerks and cash registers and just give the merchandise away, that way no one would be stealing.
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Thieves will probably be among us for a looong time. Yes, hate them, especially when they take from you. See that they are punished whenever possible. Killing them isn't worth the karma.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Reap what you sow, lefty. Vote for liberals, get this. I love it.
Ah, I knew this was coming. One small problem with your theory Steve-O, I live in the heart of the Republican belt...Texas.
Governor? Republican.
Lt. Governor? Republican.
Speaker of the House? Republican.
State Represenative? Republican.
County Judge? Republican.
County Sheriff? Republican.
County Court at Law Judge? Republican.
District Attorney? Republican.
County Attorney? Republican.
Justice of The Peace? Republican.
Mayor? Republican.
City Council? All Republicans.
Chew on that a while and tell me how it's the fault of Democrats. I have faith you will be able to spin it hard enough to completely exonerate all the above mentioned politicians....Republican politicians.
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Just be glad they aren't all democrats rpm or it would somehow be your fault you were stolen from. ;p
Originally posted by rpm
Ah, I knew this was coming. One small problem with your theory Steve-O, I live in the heart of the Republican belt...Texas.
Governor? Republican.
Lt. Governor? Republican.
Speaker of the House? Republican.
State Represenative? Republican.
County Judge? Republican.
County Sheriff? Republican.
County Court at Law Judge? Republican.
District Attorney? Republican.
County Attorney? Republican.
Justice of The Peace? Republican.
Mayor? Republican.
City Council? All Republicans.
Chew on that a while and tell me how it's the fault of Democrats. I have faith you will be able to spin it hard enough to completely exonerate all the above mentioned politicians....Republican politicians.
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I don't know, rpm. No decent person likes a thief, but I can't understand why you take shoplifting as a personal affront. The cost of pilferage is included in the price, and your store would be an anomaly if more was lost from shoplifting than from employee theft. It isn't personal and not worth the anxiety. You weren't going to resell the steaks that were down his pants, were you?
I think we consumers have just as much reason to be angry at all the shenanigans going on behind the meat counter - the mislabeling of dates, color added to make the old steaks look fresh, water added to raise the weight and price of ground beef, chemical and hormone additives, gas-flushed meat without any consumer warnings.
It could be argued that grocers and their meat departments are not morally superior to shoplifters.
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Originally posted by Rolex
mislabeling of dates, color added to make the old steaks look fresh, water added to raise the weight and price of ground beef, chemical and hormone additives, gas-flushed meat without any consumer warnings.
Say it ain't true rpm!
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Originally posted by Rolex
I don't know, rpm. No decent person likes a thief, but I can't understand why you take shoplifting as a personal affront. The cost of pilferage is included in the price, and your store would be an anomaly if more was lost from shoplifting than from employee theft. It isn't personal and not worth the anxiety. You weren't going to resell the steaks that were down his pants, were you?
I think we consumers have just as much reason to be angry at all the shenanigans going on behind the meat counter - the mislabeling of dates, color added to make the old steaks look fresh, water added to raise the weight and price of ground beef, chemical and hormone additives, gas-flushed meat without any consumer warnings.
It could be argued that grocers and their meat departments are not morally superior to shoplifters.
Rolex, I find any theft of property I'm placed in care of a personal affront. Theft, or shrinkage as we call it, is a part of doing business. In this case it takes nothing out of my pocket, only my boss'. But my job is loss prevention, among other things. I do good work, very good work. Watching some fool who is too lazy or drug addicted to work walk out the door with goods I'm responsable for just chaps my arse. For law enforcement to take a gift wrapped package like this and do diddly squat just makes it worse.
What kind of message is this sending to our community and our children? Knowing you will not be arrested for breaking the law is literally a license to steal.
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You aren't to blame for the ills of society, rpm. All the energy you use trying to put him in the criminal justice system isn't going to change anything. He's probably been in it before. Everyone knows that the system sucks, so no message is needed.
Unless you're willing to invest in renovating the store to move all the high-profit items next to the register, install tags and detectors, strip search customers, install more cameras, hire guards for every aisle or install x-ray scanners, let it go. Your bosses know you aren't responsible for society, either... I hope. ;)
Billions are stolen every year by people wearing ties. A few steaks aren't that big of a deal.
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Print a picture of the thief while he was stuffing the meat in his pants, post it at the entrance and near the meat section.
You can blur his face a bit and put text underneath
Big Brother is Watching You
(and put that image gif of handcuffs below it).
That should work.
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I love how suddenly its rpm's fault, and he's naturally a horrible person because some people abuse the system.
rpm
A better way to detain thieves? Thats easy!
12GA!
If someone's going to swipe raw meat they probably aren't ready to die for it.
Send someone to jail for something silly like that and they may not want to take such a stupid risk again. At least bank robbers attempt a decent theft. If they attack you and your 12ga they won't be stealing too many more steaks.
Let us know when you find him and we'll have a little ski mask party.
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Don't blur the picture, post it all over the internet. Hell, post it here. Someone will see him and it will come back in time.
Karma always comes back to us.
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Rolex I believe I can reduce your entire post to 2 concepts.
You had little to add to the discussion but cynical quips.
You admire and just advocated Homeland Security for store security.
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:aok
Mac
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the super market i shop at puts a coded 3" piece of wire on the bottom of the meat package, the check out clerk is supposed to deactivate it when you check out, if it is not deactivated it will set off a sensor at the exits, a alarm will sound and a recording will say something about a problem with "inventory control".
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I had someone that was stealing our pallets so they and their alcoholic buddies could have drunken beer fests. The bad thing about it is that the warehouse charges $12 per skid, which is credited to the account once they are returned.
By the time we had over a dozen missing, I finally got PO'd enough and called the cops. They found the people doing it which lived 2 houses down from the store. They claimed to of only took one but I didnt believe them as far as I could throw them.
They ended up paying for all of them and was banned from the store.
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I got an idea, install a meat detector at the exit! ;)
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Originally posted by Maverick
Rolex I believe I can reduce your entire post to 2 concepts.
You had little to add to the discussion but cynical quips.
You admire and just advocated Homeland Security for store security.
That is certainly a bizarre personal provocation and spin. It was implied that all the Homeland Security-style alternatives together would be overreaction and not worth the cost. I can't believe that went over your head, but I guess you're not as tall as I thought.
Note: The last sentence is not a simple, declarative sentence. There is an implied meaning that the reader fills in for himself. Please note that being "tall" is not intended to be taken literally. It has nothing to do with your actual height. Something going "over your head" does not mean an object has passed over your head, literally. It is an idiom meaning that an idea or concept was not understood. I hope this helps.
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Oh I got it alright. I just thought I'd spin it back to you, but I guess you aren't tall enough to see it.
:rolleyes:
Now tell me, how many of homeland security ninjas do you suggest be stationed at the meat counter?
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Originally posted by Rolex
Note: The last sentence is not a simple, declarative sentence. There is an implied meaning that the reader fills in for himself. Please note that being "tall" is not intended to be taken literally. It has nothing to do with your actual height. Something going "over your head" does not mean an object has passed over your head, literally. It is an idiom meaning that an idea or concept was not understood. I hope this helps.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Thats funny!!