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Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Vulcan on August 19, 2007, 06:40:24 PM
With all the lead in toys stuff going on at the moment it begins to make you wonder. Well in NZ someone decided to have a look at clothing thats being imported from china

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Flaming pyjamas, poisoned trousers from China
By MATT CALMAN - The Dominion Post | Monday, 20 August 2007

First it was toys, now Chinese-made children's clothing is under the microscope after two young boys were injured when their flannelette pyjamas - labelled low fire danger - caught fire.

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Target's testing found massive levels of formaldehyde on Chinese-made children's clothes after a member of the public became concerned when their child developed a rash after wearing the garments.

AgriQuality tested four pairs of trousers.

"We were told that 20 parts per million is when it can start affecting a human being," Target producer Simon Roy said.

"The measurements we got were (in the worst case) 900 times that, which is phenomenal."

Formaldehyde in low levels is commonly used in clothes for its crease resistant properties. However the chemical has been classified by the US Environmental Protection Agency as a probable human carcinogen.

In high doses it can cause eye, skin and nasal irritations, breathing problems and asthma.



Full article: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4170393a10.html

Looks like its time for a backlash on the cheap labour markets in Asia.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: VooWho on August 19, 2007, 10:11:54 PM
I think the Chinese know they can't take of the world for world power, so they are trying to find a way to kill all our kids, so by the time they invade us, our forces around the world would be 20% between the ages of 16-21, 30% 22-39, and 50% 40-50 years old. So that when China invades the world their forces look like this, 50% 16-21, 40% 22-39, 10% 40-50.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2007, 10:13:38 PM
Whaddaya want? Cheap or safe?
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Maverick on August 19, 2007, 10:20:10 PM
Perish the thought that you might possibly launder the item before wearing it. Kinda like washing the dishes and table ware you buy before you use it.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2007, 10:21:36 PM
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Originally posted by Maverick
Perish the thought that you might possibly launder the item before wearing it. Kinda like washing the dishes and table ware you buy before you use it.


I assumed it doesn't wash out, otherwise what good is a permanent press that disappears after the first washing?
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Maverick on August 19, 2007, 10:28:18 PM
It just might bring the amount down to an appropriate level for wearing.

It's also like the difference between flame resistant and fire proof. You could make clothes out of asbestos but they would chafe a bit and there's that nasty inhalation hazard too.

:p
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Rolex on August 19, 2007, 10:29:10 PM
Formaldehyde washes out of synthetic fibers, but not from cotton textiles. Formaldehyde has been used in fabrics in the US, where the process was developed, so long that the patents on it have expired.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2007, 10:31:05 PM
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Originally posted by Maverick
It just might bring the amount down to an appropriate level for wearing.


If you're right it seems that responsible journalists would point that out.

FWIW, I have washed my new clothes before wearing since I was old enough to do so, they always "itched" me otherwise.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Vulcan on August 19, 2007, 10:34:38 PM
Apparently some of the stuff doesn't wash out, especially the chemicals in the dyes used.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Maverick on August 19, 2007, 10:35:01 PM
Which media, network or source has these "responsible journalist" folks? :confused:

Wouldn't that get in the way of the sensational news item and getting it out first, no matter whether it's true or not???  :huh

"Responsible journalist", sounds a bit like an oxymoron there....
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: AKIron on August 19, 2007, 10:42:09 PM
When i was in Korea they told me not to eat the food off base. They said that Koreans could safely eat food that would kill me. Perhaps the Chinese wear Formaldehyde regularly? ;)

What a bunch of p****** we Americans are.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Meatwad on August 19, 2007, 10:52:13 PM
Another reason to stop buying cheap junk from China.


Time to bring our factories back online and make this stuff here like we used to.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: SIK1 on August 20, 2007, 01:31:16 AM
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Another reason to stop buying cheap junk from China.


Time to bring our factories back online and make this stuff here like we used to.

Everyone would whine about it costing to much.


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Originally posted by Maverick
"Responsible journalist", sounds a bit like an oxymoron there....

Yep, that is definitely an oxymoron.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: 1K3 on August 20, 2007, 01:52:10 AM
China is going through the same path as Japan did in the 50s and 60s.  In 50s and 60s, Made in Japan was the butt of jokes.  Nowadays Made in Japan is renown for exporting high quality goods at reasonable prices.

In 10 or 20 years from now, China might start another export revolution, just like what Japan did in 70s and 80s.  Also, China will avoid making mistakes that Japan did, such as exporting econo-box cars not cut for American standards during 1950s and 60s.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: culero on August 20, 2007, 07:58:02 AM
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Originally posted by Maverick
Which media, network or source has these "responsible journalist" folks? :confused:

Wouldn't that get in the way of the sensational news item and getting it out first, no matter whether it's true or not???  :huh

"Responsible journalist", sounds a bit like an oxymoron there....


Mav, I agree that a large part of the media deserve that, but actually there are good organizations out there. I work for a newspaper, am a member of management, and have a say in what content goes on the front page. I'm proud to say that our editor has the highest integrity, and demands the same from his journalism staff. We do not endorse politicians, we only present stories on issues and politicians' performance. Our editorial content is libertarian in philosophy. We are a leader in local charitable contribution (3+% of annual gross profit). I sell my product with pride.

And, we're a leading property in a national top ten media corporation (newspapers and TV). The core values come from the top, and we're family owned.

There is actually hope out there :)
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: lazs2 on August 20, 2007, 08:02:25 AM
Don't set your clothes on fire.

Don't run into other cars and you won't have to use the seatbelts or see if the airbag works.

lazs
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Maverick on August 20, 2007, 04:42:04 PM
Culero,

That is indeed good news. I come from the time when one of the lessons of history included egregious examples of yellow journalism and it took the rather courageous efforts of an individual who coined the phrase, "all the news that's fit to print" to make a change in the "business". I fear we are well down that road towards the yellow again.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: AKIron on August 20, 2007, 11:00:37 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
Don't run into other cars and you won't have to use the seatbelts or see if the airbag works.

lazs


You either have very sharp makeup-puteroner avoidance skills or you haven't have driven in my neck of the woods to be so cavalier in your seatbelt/airbag comment.

Our of respect, nay honesty, for the fairer sex, I must admit I see more young males causing accidents or near accidents with their impetuousness than I do females with their self infatuation.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: vorticon on August 20, 2007, 11:20:42 PM
cheap chinese garbage actually turns out to be cheap garbage? who would have thought!


and formaldahyde at that level is hardly "poison"  it' will cause a rash, sure, but so will coarse fabric rubbing.  its not like the fiberglass insulation with it, your not going to end up coughing and choking after 20 minutes and sick for 3 days afterwords.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: MiloMorai on August 20, 2007, 11:21:50 PM
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Originally posted by SIK1
Everyone would whine about it costing to much.

Not if the illegals do the work.
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Tac on August 20, 2007, 11:27:17 PM
Vorticon,

Anything is toxic to the human body, even water.

Its all about the concentration you take in. These toys have insane amounts of a substance which makes it dangerous to people (kids more so).
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: rpm on August 20, 2007, 11:30:09 PM
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Originally posted by culero
Mav, I agree that a large part of the media deserve that, but actually there are good organizations out there. I work for a newspaper, am a member of management, and have a say in what content goes on the front page. I'm proud to say that our editor has the highest integrity, and demands the same from his journalism staff. We do not endorse politicians, we only present stories on issues and politicians' performance. Our editorial content is libertarian in philosophy. We are a leader in local charitable contribution (3+% of annual gross profit). I sell my product with pride.

And, we're a leading property in a national top ten media corporation (newspapers and TV). The core values come from the top, and we're family owned.

There is actually hope out there :)
C'mon Culero, admit it. You're a librul media kingpin. You libruls want to take down China so good ol' flag waving corporate America will lose their profit margin. You should be ashamed, Amerihater.

(For the humor impared: This has been sarcasm, this is only sarcasm. Had this been an actual opinion you would have been instructed where to tune in your local area for instructions on what to think.)
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: lazs2 on August 21, 2007, 08:33:41 AM
ak... so far my avoidance skills have held up except for being rear ended at a stop sign and run over on motorcycles by drunks.   seatbelts and airbags would have been of no use.

I wear my lapbelts in both hot rods but have never worn the seatbelt in 4 years in my Lincoln.

lazs
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Hortlund on August 21, 2007, 11:05:32 AM
Lasz, if a meeting car gets over on your side of the road (for whatever reason) when it is <100 feet in front of your car, what could you possibly do to avoid the collision?
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: swoose on August 21, 2007, 11:36:43 AM
Just wonder how you Vietnam vets that fought the communist feel about going to the stores and all you can find is products made in China by the communist.
I salute all who fought there
Swoose
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Gh0stFT on August 21, 2007, 02:17:02 PM
he he better buy german products, they are poison free and
the quality is well known around the world :aok
We are still Nr.1 export country but China is closing gap very fast
with all this dangerous toys! may oh may ! ;)
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Vulcan on August 21, 2007, 04:45:55 PM
Well they're starting to recall products now:

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Blankets recalled due to formaldehyde
NZPA | Wednesday, 22 August 2007

Blankets made in China are being recalled because they have been found to contain unacceptable levels of formaldehyde.


The recall notice comes in the wake of the Government launching an urgent investigation after scientists found dangerous levels of formaldehyde in woollen and cotton clothes imported from China.

Charles Parsons, a wholesalers group which distributes the Superlux blankets throughout New Zealand, said the level of fomaldehyde in the blankets may cause short term skin or respiratory irritation.

Washing the blanket would significantly reduce the level.

Consumers were advised to return to product to where they bought it to receive a full refund.

The Superlux blanket is a nylon and velour face blanket primarily sold under the Gainsborough brand
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Nwbie on August 27, 2007, 12:21:17 PM
interesting story - at least to me

i was in a supermarket with one of the kids and an older lady was looking like she needed some help finding something - i offered to help -she was looking for canned mushrooms - i found them in a different aisle and she proceeded to look at the can labels - out of maybe 10 or so different labels - at least 8 were canned in China - she then told me that she looks on all of the labels now to see where items are canned - china has taken over a lot of the canned vegetable biz -

What an eye opener for me - there is no way in H i am going to eat anything that is packed in water from over there - it is suicidal - i look on everything now - to see where items are packaged..

NwBie


:noid
Title: Cheap chinese products full of poison
Post by: Shuffler on August 27, 2007, 12:51:15 PM
3 Rules I can think of....

IF IT IS FROM CHINA;

1) Don't let the kids play with it.

2) Don't eat it.

3) Your supporting Communism.