Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on August 19, 2007, 09:58:31 PM
-
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5584510
I am firmly in the camp with those who say her arrest is long overdue. Perhaps this incident will provoke another demostration like we saw a ~year ago. This will in turn force the issue into the '08 election, something neither of the major parties want but I believe the vast majority of Americans want.
Bully for her.
:aok
-
I notice she had herself a convenient anchor baby 2 years after the order for her deportation was handed down. the anchor baby is now 8.... disgusting. both of them should be thrown out on their ears.
-
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public_images/posters/press_one.gif)
-
It's up to those that attend, but I'd refuse to go to a church that harbors
fugitives from the law. It's not like we're sending these criminals to death camps
or anything...just sending them back home.
-
Originally posted by Xargos
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public_images/posters/press_one.gif)
:rofl
-
I think all of them should be held and housed in and all around Bush's home in Texas for a few weeks, so they can watermelon & Piss in the bushes throw their trash all over his town, and then deported , along with their anchor babies .
Total BullChit !
-
We do need to reform our laws to be more accepting of the 'tired, humbled masses', but at the same time the laws are the laws, and when there are thousands of people waiting in foreign countries for legal entry, why should this lady be an exception?
Churches shouldn't be a haven for criminals, though in many ways they always have. (I mean that in a historical sense and not as a commentary on the church or its doctrines)
-
Originally posted by 68Hawk
We do need to reform our laws to be more accepting of the 'tired, humbled masses', but at the same time the laws are the laws, and when there are thousands of people waiting in foreign countries for legal entry, why should this lady be an exception?
Churches shouldn't be a haven for criminals, though in many ways they always have. (I mean that in a historical sense and not as a commentary on the church or its doctrines)
Agreed places of worship should not be santuaries for criminals...
BTW.... They may be humbled masses once they get here... but on the way they are your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free :lol
:t :rolleyes: :D
-
We had a problem with 'anchor babies'. Women would arrive pregnant and have their baby in the country or else illegal immigrants would get pregnant. Their baby was automatically an Irish citizen and it's parents got residence. The bigger problem was that of course Ireland is in the EU, so it meant they had the right to reside anywhere in Europe. Some used the loophole to get residence in Britain. They would arrive heavily pregnant, have the baby here and go never to return. Madness and guaranteed to be mighty unpopular with our neighbours.
This right was enshrined in the constitution and could only be altered by referendum. So that's what was done. The child remained an Irish citizen but the parents had to prove they had a long term connection to Ireland or be deported with the child. The critics said we were all racist and that we were deporting Irish citizens to a terrible fate. But it stopped the problem in it's tracks.
Any chance of a similar common sense solution in America?
-
Originally posted by cpxxx
Any chance of a similar common sense solution in America?
I wish.
-
I didn't know Ireland had done such a thing (you big racists) but I have suggested that we do the same.
Well... not the same.... I think the way it should work is.... Unless one of your parents is American... none of you are. it doesn't matter what hospital you were born in.
lazs
-
Drudgereport is saying that she's been deported.
1 Down, 20 million to go.
-
Something similar could be done in the US. Changing from jus soli, citizenship based on the soil, to jus sanguinis, citizenship based on blood, would require either a Constitutional amendment, or overturning the Supreme Court ruling in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.
The problem is that the media has turned the US into a nation of extremes, so common sense is not welcome anymore. :)
-
rolex.. when were we ever not a nation of extremes? We have always had contingents of constitutionalists and socialists and commies and anarchists and any number of other extreme views.
That part is healthy enough. I am not sure who you would want to define common sense.. at least so far as politics.
It is common sense for some to give those who do nothing the money of those who do the work. To force it from the ones who own it at the barrel of a gun.
lazs
-
Originally posted by Mr No Name
I notice she had herself a convenient anchor baby 2 years after the order for her deportation was handed down. the anchor baby is now 8.... disgusting. both of them should be thrown out on their ears.
BINGO!!!
-
Originally posted by Xargos
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public_images/posters/press_one.gif)
you know what? you just hit my button.
I myself am an immigrant. A LEGAL one. Came here with nothing (a debt actually), had to learn a language and the whole nine yards. I speak English, I am a citizen which I value immensely, I consider myself an American (no stinking hyphens), my daughters are Americans and it drives me nuts when I call my bank (or whatever) and I'm asked to "Press 1 for English".
-
BTW, those stinkers who demand to be served in Spanish (or whatever language of a day is), do not give a hoot and a half about US. They are here to suck it dry.
And the stinkers who provide it to them are the worst kind of traitors there are.
Benedict Arnold? You call him a traitor? Hi GWB.
-
They should have waited for her to get to D.C. before arresting her. There probably would have been a big rally with ALOT of illegals and they could have rounded up even more.
-
We do need to reform our laws to be more accepting of the 'tired, humbled masses', but at the same time the laws are the laws, and when there are thousands of people waiting in foreign countries for legal entry, why should this lady be an exception?
Did you see the video in the other thread about the effect legal immigration is having on this country? If you did, I don't recall seeing you post. Legal immigration needs to be toned down to a more reasonable number that we can assimilate each year and illegal immigration needs to be stopped 10 years ago.
-
Didn't see the video. Put a link up here if you want.
Still, we can accommodate more people here if we want to. Its somewhat a matter of willingness, but it does have to be managed and not a 'dash for the cash'.
It sucks that pregnant females are coming across the desert only to demand pre and post natal care here at our expense, then claim they have an absolute right to stay. If someone who is not legally allowed to be here has a kid here, maybe give them priority consideration for legal avenues of citizenship, especially if they have useful skills.
Problem is the majority of people who pull this crap are untrained and largely unskilled workers.
Something must be done, but we'd better not go tampering with the constitution to do it.
-
Funny stuff, though this guy goes overboard on some things too.
I really want to eat there some day.
Casa D'Ice Famous Signs (http://www.casadice.com/signs/index.htm)
(http://www.casadice.com/signs/images/outside_sign002.jpg)
(http://www.casadice.com/signs/images/outside_sign019.jpg)
(http://www.casadice.com/signs/images/outside_sign036.jpg)
(http://www.casadice.com/signs/images/outside_sign044.jpg)
-
A quote for today, as it was some time ago...
"There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Anyone care to guess who said this?
-
Joseph McCarthy?
Just kidding, not rabid enough. Sounds more like Ike.
-
was it Teddy?
lazs
-
I believe it was Teddy.
-
Originally posted by 68Hawk
Didn't see the video. Put a link up here if you want.
Still, we can accommodate more people here if we want to. Its somewhat a matter of willingness, but it does have to be managed and not a 'dash for the cash'.
Heres the link to the video. I bet you change your mind about immigration after you see it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=numbersusa&hl=en
-
He makes some very good points, and there were some things there I hadn't thought of before.
I heartily agree that the best thing we can do is to improve conditions where people are coming from so that they won't need to move here.
I can agree that a lesser number of immigrants would be easier to absorb, but when the historical principles of this country have been to take people from all over the world into our melting pot, we run the risk of hypocrisy. We've always been more than happy to take people when we need them to work in our factories. I don't believe we should shut the doors just because we don't need cheap labor. In terms of population numbers, it doesn't help at all when people have 11 kids, no matter where you come from.
A balance must be struck.
-
Lazs and Airscrew got it. It was Teddy Roosevelt.
-
Damn I was a generation off. You learn something new every day.
-
Teddy didn't take crap, we need more politicians like him today
-
I keep trying to get the missus knocked up so we can save the $10k or so our permanent residence application is likely to end up costing us. She still wont let me near her though :D
Seriously, I agree with Lazs on this - unless one of the parents is American, the child isn't American. Would more or less solve the anchor baby problem overnight. I'd be mighty peeved if Britain granted citizenship to babies of immigrants just off the boat.
That said, if we were to have a child right now, it would have dual British / US citizenship and the opportunity to live anywhere here or in the EU would be fantastic.
One last word to anyone who thinks it is too easy to immigrate to the US. Try it. It is anything but easy. Unless you are super rich, have skills the US government is seeking, investing significantly in a US company or are necessary senior management employing Americans, forget it. In almost all cases, visas (both immigrant and non-immigrant) have annual quotas. Once that runs out, it doesn't matter how good an applicant your are - you aren't getting in. This years quota for the most common non-immigrant visa - the H1B - was used up in less than 24 hours after their release.
You may believe there are too many people being granted permanent residence, but for those who got it, I can guarantee it wasn't an easy process.
Anyway, until the illegal immigration problem is solved, legal immigration is the least of your worries.
-
Originally posted by mietla
you know what? you just hit my button.
I myself am an immigrant. A LEGAL one. Came here with nothing (a debt actually), had to learn a language and the whole nine yards. I speak English, I am a citizen which I value immensely, I consider myself an American (no stinking hyphens), my daughters are Americans and it drives me nuts when I call my bank (or whatever) and I'm asked to "Press 1 for English".
Congratulations. Immigrants like you we welcome with open arms.
-
I can agree that a lesser number of immigrants would be easier to absorb, but when the historical principles of this country have been to take people from all over the world into our melting pot, we run the risk of hypocrisy. We've always been more than happy to take people when we need them to work in our factories. I don't believe we should shut the doors just because we don't need cheap labor. In terms of population numbers, it doesn't help at all when people have 11 kids, no matter where you come from.
We can only absorb so many immigrants per year w/o serious consequences. I'm all for immigration, but only so much can be allowed per year. As far as historical prinicples go, immigration has been limited by Congress for a very long time.
-
If my memory serves me right, the law that gives illegals' babies citizenship was originally designed to make former American slaves citizens. It was not intended for use on immigrants and is just another poorly written American law being exploited by criminals.
-
Originally posted by Mr No Name
I notice she had herself a convenient anchor baby 2 years after the order for her deportation was handed down. the anchor baby is now 8.... disgusting. both of them should be thrown out on their ears.
If you mean the child, you are wrong. The child is as much a citizen as you are, if you are....that is.
Sorry about that.
Now the mother...? Adios. No illegal aliens.
-
I was really hoping for some massive demonstrations. Perhaps many are being advised to lay low, at least until the elections are over.
-
Originally posted by Xargos
(http://www.dasmuppets.com/public_images/posters/press_one.gif)
Press 1 for English?
I've made phone calls where the options were "Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for English."
-
Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Press 1 for English?
I've made phone calls where the options were "Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for English."
I never heard "Press for Spanish". I guess because I'm an American and speak ONLY English.
-
"presione uno para el espaņol"
-
Originally posted by john9001
"presione uno para el espaņol"
You DO THAT and your mom will make you clean it up!!!!!!!!