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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on August 21, 2007, 08:49:07 AM
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Your seatbelt... if you wouldn't get a ticket would you wear one?
Do you wear one in a bus or a taxi?
I wear my lap belts in my hot rods.... It is likely that I will get into a situation that I may need em... well... not likely but...more likely.
I never wear the stupid three points in my lincoln.. don't see the need. I never ride with women driving me or even do I let many men drive me around.... I don't trust em.. they don't seem to have a clue.
Sooo... what do you do and why?
lazs
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I would still wear my 3-point seat belt. I have been in enough accidents (both as driver and passenger) to know if I had not had my seat belt on my injuries would have been more severe. There are just too many idiots on the roads.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Your seatbelt... if you wouldn't get a ticket would you wear one?
Do you wear one in a bus or a taxi?
I wear my lap belts in my hot rods.... It is likely that I will get into a situation that I may need em... well... not likely but...more likely.
I never wear the stupid three points in my lincoln.. don't see the need. I never ride with women driving me or even do I let many men drive me around.... I don't trust em.. they don't seem to have a clue.
Sooo... what do you do and why?
lazs
Good for you lazs, don’t let any government agency tell you how to live or die for that matter, even if it is the law.
I’ve been on a volunteer EMS Squad for over 25 years. We have a state highway right on the edge of our coverage area. I’ve seen the difference that seat belts can make. I have always driven with seat belts , even before it was required and always required anyone in my vehicle to wear them, or the vehicle didn’t move. I’d wear a 5 point system if they put them in the car. I always wear a seat belt.
Oh, by the way, have you filled out that organ donor card thing on your drivers license?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Your seatbelt... if you wouldn't get a ticket would you wear one?
Do you wear one in a bus or a taxi?
I wear my lap belts in my hot rods.... It is likely that I will get into a situation that I may need em... well... not likely but...more likely.
I never wear the stupid three points in my lincoln.. don't see the need. I never ride with women driving me or even do I let many men drive me around.... I don't trust em.. they don't seem to have a clue.
Sooo... what do you do and why?
lazs
I have gotten lots of tickets for seatbelts but I still refuse to wear one during working hours because the areas of town where I drive are somewhat violence prone and I don't want to give up a few seconds in an emergency confrontation. they might make all the difference.
however when frau storch is in the truck I wear one because her nagging trumps bad guys. I would rather die than hear her incessant whining about how many tickets I have already gotten.
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they have saved my life more than once.
i wear them.
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traveler... good for you... you do realize that most deaths come from head injuries... do you wear a helmet? No?
How bout a firesuit? race car drivers wear both.
You have never seen a head injury or burn victim? I have... not pretty. someone as timid as you would probly not even drive again.
Do you let people drive you around? are you a good driver?
I say that if you let your wife or friend drive you or... you have no driving skills (average driver) then you are being much more of a daredevil than I.
But be a good little boy and don't run with scissors like mommy said... no amount of intrusion into your life is too much if it is for your own good tho right?
And no... I am not an organ donor... seems like a good way to lose your organs to me.
lazs
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I just wonder if you actually have these opinions or if you like the size of your internet "piece" so much.
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Originally posted by Traveler
Good for you lazs, don’t let any government agency tell you how to live or die for that matter, even if it is the law.
I’ve been on a volunteer EMS Squad for over 25 years. We have a state highway right on the edge of our coverage area. I’ve seen the difference that seat belts can make. I have always driven with seat belts , even before it was required and always required anyone in my vehicle to wear them, or the vehicle didn’t move. I’d wear a 5 point system if they put them in the car. I always wear a seat belt.
Oh, by the way, have you filled out that organ donor card thing on your drivers license?
Well if my sister was wearing a seat belt at the time of her accident, she wouldn't be here.
She was a passenger when the car slid off the road into a pole. When the car hit she slid up under the dash as the car folded behind her. The car hit with such force the passenger seat pushed the drivers seat off the mounts and out the door.
So I guess your damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.
Bronk
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I wear my seatbelt so i don't get a ticket.
Even if there wasn't a law i would still sometimes wear it when i have to get on the highways, or bad weather conditions out of choice.
I've seen some real winners out there that like to slam on there breaks at 60mph when they miss an exit, or when there's a little curve in the road.
I do, and would still wear it when i'm the passenger since i'm no longer in control of the vehicle.
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Originally posted by Traveler
Good for you lazs, don’t let any government agency tell you how to live or die for that matter, even if it is the law.
I’ve been on a volunteer EMS Squad for over 25 years. We have a state highway right on the edge of our coverage area. I’ve seen the difference that seat belts can make. I have always driven with seat belts , even before it was required and always required anyone in my vehicle to wear them, or the vehicle didn’t move. I’d wear a 5 point system if they put them in the car. I always wear a seat belt.
Oh, by the way, have you filled out that organ donor card thing on your drivers license?
Yes he has, he check the box called "other" and wrote down "All but one, you figure it out..."
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Even if it wasn't the law, I'd still wear my seatbelt. I've been a passenger in a couple of minor (low speed) accidents and wasn't wearing one and was thrown around like a rag doll.
Let me ask you Lazs, do you disable your airbags? (Or, if you don't have car with them, would you?)
BTW, I don't think I'd call someone who works EMS "timid". That's not timid work.
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Originally posted by lazs2
traveler... good for you... you do realize that most deaths come from head injuries... do you wear a helmet? No?
How bout a firesuit? race car drivers wear both.
You have never seen a head injury or burn victim? I have... not pretty. someone as timid as you would probly not even drive again.
Do you let people drive you around? are you a good driver?
I say that if you let your wife or friend drive you or... you have no driving skills (average driver) then you are being much more of a daredevil than I.
But be a good little boy and don't run with scissors like mommy said... no amount of intrusion into your life is too much if it is for your own good tho right?
And no... I am not an organ donor... seems like a good way to lose your organs to me.
lazs
A few of your myths have been punked, Lazs. From an independent Madison University survey (not the evil government stats) I made a few of them bold for ya.
One out of every five drivers will be involved in a traffic crash this year.
Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among people age 44 and younger and the number one cause of head and spinal cord injury.
Approximately 35,000 people die in motor vehicle crashes each year. About 50 percent (17,000) of these people could be saved if they wore their safety belts.
More than 90 percent of all motorists believe safety belts are good idea, but less than 14 percent actually use them.
For every one percent increase in safety belt use, 172 lives and close to $100 million in annual injury and death costs could be saved.
Safety belts when used properly reduce the number of serious traffic injuries by 50 percent and fatalities by 60-70 percent.
For maximum protection safety belts should be fastened before traveling any distance or speed. Seventy-five percent of crash deaths and injuries occur within 25 miles of home. More than half of all injury-producing motor vehicle crashes involve low speeds under 40 m.p.h.
Motorists are 25 times are more likely to be killed or seriously injured when they are "thrown clear" than when remain inside their vehicle.
In a 30 m.p.h. collision an unbelted 160 lb. Person can strike another passenger, crash through a windshield and/or slam into the vehicle's interior with a 4,800 lb. force.
Motorists can increase safety belt usage by example and verbal reminders. Nine out of 10 people buckle up when asked.
Safety belt use is one of the best defenses against the unpredictable actions of the drunk driver.
Today over 25 countries around the world have some type of mandatory safety belt law. Results of these laws were measured; usage rate went from 20-25 percent before passage to 60-90 percent after passage.
A common cause of death and injury to children in motor vehicles is being crushed by adults who are not wearing safety belts. On out of four serious injuries to passengers is caused by occupants being thrown into each other.
About 80 percent of all injuries to children in car crashes are injuries to the head, causing brain damage, permanent disfigurement, epilepsy or death.
Of every 100 children who die in motor vehicle crashes at least 80 would survive if they were properly secured in an approved child safety seat or safety belts.
Three out of four families with child safety seats fail to use them correctly. Adults need to follow manufacturer's instructions and secure seats properly before every trip.
An estimated 80 percent of American children area immunized against contagious diseases, but less than 10 percent are properly restrained when riding in a motor vehicle.
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I wear seat belts in all vehicles equipped with them. That includes aircraft both my own, other private birds and commercial. I don't ride public transportation so it's not an issue. The very few times I did ride a taxi, such as in Vegas, I did wear the belt.
I have driven a patrol car into many situations where violence was already being provided or was extremely likely. I never had a problem getting out of the belt and out of the car in plenty of time in real situations, not hypothetical ones.
I wear a helmet. I don't need a law to tell me to do so. I know my head is worth the price of a helmet and I've seen the results of having one and not having one in a motorcycle collision. I have never, let me state that again, never seen anyone who's neck was broken in a motorcycle related collision by a helmet and I've personally been to more than a couple collision scenes. Nor do I personally know anyone who has personally seen that "phenomenon". In my section since we did the majority of collision investigations. Motorcycle collisions were pretty much interesting to us since we rode them for work. We got information regarding Officer fatalities as part of in service training even if it happened in another state. We often shared information about the more memorable collisions we investigated and especially the fatal ones and I have never heard of anyone in the traffic section finding that particular circumstance. That kind of ranks right up there with the old "wives tale" that you should never use the front brake on a motorcycle because it will toss you over the bike if you do.
Frankly if the collision is that bad that a neck is broken there are likely to be other trauma's that would make a broken neck a moot point. One of the worst collisions regarding motorcycles I know of was the guy who I replaced in the motor section at work. He had a total body crunch from being side swiped and pushed into oncoming traffic by a car that hit him twice. He had a head on with a combined speed in excess of 60 MPH. There were bruise imprints on the brain from the helmet straps when they did the autopsy. His neck wasn't broken but most everything else was and he would have died anyhow from the ripped aorta even if there was no other injury to the brain.
I don't tell anyone over the age of 18 that they need to wear a helmet. I won't tell them that their head is worth the price of one if they think it isn't. They ought to know more than I would about it's value.
My masculinity is not threatened by the use of a helmet or seatbelt. I ride wearing what I want and don't care a bit what anyone else thinks about it. If they can't deal with it I have no problem at all riding alone. I ride for my own personal satisfaction and purposes, not to impress anyone else. I don't ride a bike to make me what I am, I ride a bike because I am the person I am. The bike does not define me, it's just a tool.
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Your seatbelt... if you wouldn't get a ticket would you wear one?
I have totaled a couple of cars without wearing seatbelts and survived in pretty good shape. One was a T-bone in a 75 VW Scirocco (me being T-boned) and the other a rear end collision against a stopped car at 50 mph (but in an old tank of a Volvo). However, I wear them all the time since they don't bother me and I believe that they will likely help more often than hinder me in an accident, though the type of accident will determine that. My car also has the full curtain airbags so that is a plus now. But, frankly, they don't bother me at all and the new nag alarms do so it's not an issue.
FWIW, once I am safely on the ground in an airplane I immediately unbuckle the seat belt. In the vast majority of ground collision/fire type incidents mobility and the ability to be moved by a crushing impact instead of crushed in place are likely far more important, IMO.
Charon
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Yes, I absolutely would. And my kids would too. I guess I can't answer for TxDad ~ I think he would most of the time.
What's the advantage to not wearing a seatbelt again?
laziness?
transforming yourself from a dweeby middle aged man to a cool middle aged man? paalllease. whatever!
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I don't like the seatbelt law. it should be ones individual choice and interestingly enough the only time I don't wear one is for the same reason storch alluded to.
That being said anyone who argues that seatbelts don't save lives and lessen injuries is a troll or a fool.
shamus
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Originally posted by Shamus
That being said anyone who argues that seatbelts don't save lives and lessen injuries is a troll or a fool.
shamus
How do you explain my sisters accident then?
The police and EMT said if she had it on she'd have been killed.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
How do you explain my sisters accident then?
The police and EMT said if she had it on she'd have been killed.
Bronk
Winning the lotto is dumb luck too. Whats your point?
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My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.
Argue that all ya want.
Bronk
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i'll take my chances with the belt on thanks.
;)
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I always wore my seatbelt before it became law and if the law is repealed, I will still always ware it.
But I don't think the state has any right to tell us we have to.
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Originally posted by Bronk
My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.
Argue that all ya want.
Bronk
There's no such thing as a safe accident. The percentages say that for every one person who lived because they didn't wear a belt, there are several who died because they didn't. I'll take my chances with my belt, and if you're riding in my car, so will you or you're walking.
This is one of lazs favourite trolls - hence the 'don't let women drive me' comment. His argument is that he doesn't need a belt because he's so good at driving he'll never have an accident, but don't let that fool you. Even he isn't so dumb to believe his skill can get him out of every possible situation the other idiots on the road present.
For all that, I do think it should be personal choice. Darwin works in mysterious ways.
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Originally posted by Bronk
My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.
Argue that all ya want.
Bronk
Yeah, and the odds look something like this.
In 99 999 cases of 100 000, the belt helps. In 1 case of 100 000 it hurts.
Are you a betting man? Where would you put your money?
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Started wearing a seatbelt regularly back in the 1980s when I was told by my unit commander ....
"If you die in a vehicle accident and you didn't have your seatbelt on your surviving family will not recieve your service members life insurance".
I got used to it very fast. It's been second nature with me for years now.
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I have always worn a seatbelt when driving a car that had seatbelts since 1973. Never had a problem wearing one, its automatic for me, first thing I do when I get in the car is put on my seatbelt. It has nothing to do with any laws just something I was taught by my parents. I was taught that a seatbelt helps you stay behind the wheel and in control of the car while driving and when necessary avoiding an accident.
For those who think not wearing a seatbelt is better because they escaped death or serious injury during an accident and were not wearing a seatbelt; I can recall accidents were people were killed or seriously injured because they were ejected from the car and then crushed or hit by other vehicles and the accident itself was survivable. Of course there are going to be accidents where it doesnt matter if you had a seatbelt or not, 80 mph headon with a semi is pretty ugly.
The important thing is to drive defensively, pay attention to the road and conditions and watch the other guy. I'm teaching my son and my daughter to drive by telling them to expect the unexpected, dont just watch the car in front of you but 3 or 4 cars ahead. Watch the drivers behind you and beside you. Beaware of your space on the road and leave yourself some space so you can avoid the idiots that change lanes without looking or fly through traffic like they're racing NASCAR. And when the weather is bad you have double your efforts to protect yourself because those idiots are even worse when the roads are bad.
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Originally posted by 68Wooley
There's no such thing as a safe accident. The percentages say that for every one person who lived because they didn't wear a belt, there are several who died because they didn't. I'll take my chances with my belt, and if you're riding in my car, so will you or you're walking.
This is one of lazs favourite trolls - hence the 'don't let women drive me' comment. His argument is that he doesn't need a belt because he's so good at driving he'll never have an accident, but don't let that fool you. Even he isn't so dumb to believe his skill can get him out of every possible situation the other idiots on the road present.
Where did I say safe? I said help or hurt. As in the belt can either prevent or add to the injuries.
I've seen the results of this type of accident first hand.
Frontal impacts, yes the belt is helps. A side impact where it holds you in the seat could be a bad thing. The seat is ripped from the mounts but the belt anchor pins remain in their mounts. The person would be crushed.
I'm not saying seat belts are a bad thing. I'm saying in certain collisions they are not helpful.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Maverick My masculinity is not threatened by the use of a helmet or seatbelt.
That is the crux of the issue.
I wear em, always have, always will. I've heard too many stories from my old neighbor growing up (He's a Police Chief) about "what not wearing a seat belt can do to you."
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After seeing the results of not wearing them on countless occasions, I know you are better off wearing them.
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I think its funny that the state I live in makes you wear a seatbelt, but you dont have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle.
I have always worn a helmet.
I am so glad the state is looking out for me.
They are so good at taking care of us.:rofl
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Seatbelts? Yeah, I always wear them.
I don't eat perishable food that's been left out too long also, common sense has it's advantages.
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Originally posted by Bronk
My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.
Argue that all ya want.
Bronk
I'll argue facts and data showing you're more likely to survive a crash with a belt on...
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Don't bother Rip, he'd rather risk the 95% of collisions where a belt would keep him alive than risk the 5% (and I'm pretty sure that 5% sure is an exaggeration) of collisions where a belt is no help. Kinda like forgetting that as the car crushes to move the seat from a side impact the belt mounting points also move changing the symmetry of the fit.
There ain't no 100% guaranteed safety device out there.
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Originally posted by Maverick
There ain't no 100% guaranteed safety device out there.
although not 100% the driver is the best safety device, all the other stuff is to protect us from the idiots. I've got about 700,000 miles driven since 1977 (i didnt count the early years before I got my license, and even then its probably underestimated cause theres no way I can remember every little trip I've driven)
In all those miles I had one traffic accident.
Early morning after a night shift, raining, 25 mph speed limit, doing about 20mph. 1981 Grand Prix ran a stop sign right in front of me, 1982 Ford Exp. Young, inexperienced, I hit the brakes first and when I started to slide I decided to try and turn away from him and I almost made it. I caught his front bumper. The big boom box stereo I had on the seat next to me slammed and smashed into the dashboard. Luckly I was wearing my seatbelt or else I would have smacked the steering wheel with my chest and possible my face off the windshield. Speed at impact was probably around 15 mph +/-, even though I was sliding I was slowing down. I could have ended up with at least cracked ribs and lacerations and a broken nose. I didnt even have a bruise or scratch. I'll wear my seatbelt and let the daredevils go without.
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good... some are answering the question...
Others are turning it into something it is not... a discussion of whether or not seatbelts save lives.
That is not in contention...helmets and firesuits and full cage rollbars would all save lives too...
I wear seatbelts when I want and that is fairly often... never the 3 point ones tho... they are simply uncomfortatble an destroy the experiance too much... In my el camino it is not uncommon for me to power drift the car in third gear on the on ramp getting on to the freeway... I wear a lap belt.. in the Healey.. well... you would simply have to see the car... I wear a lap belt but... honestly... It probly wouldn't do much good.. the think is a deathtrap.
I have survived numerous crashes without a helmet on bikes... no big deal. Not saying it is better or worse... just talking about choice.
Now... back to the question.. would you wear em all the time? How can you ride in a taxi without getting faint? Do you deserve a ticket for not wearing one 2 blocks in a 25mph zone to the store?
as for people telling me that they are not uncomfortable or restrict movement... or... take away from the pleasure of driving...
Well... I got to say.. I believe that about as much as when they tell me a rubber doesn't take away from sex.
lazs
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texas mom... I would have to disagree with you on my motives... I don't care if you wear one or not... I don't think it makes me look cool to not wear one in a Lincoln town car and I don't car if someone thinks I am over cautious wearing one in my hot rods.
I would in fact... say that you have it backwards... I would say that the people who really wear them out of choice are afraid to look wussy and so want everyone else to have to wear em... sorta easy to see how that works if you watch children... they won't do something if the others don't have to do it.
But I said earlier.. the question is not if it is smart or right or how you look but... simply... if you were not forced to... would you wear em all the time?
Would you trust your own judgement and make your own decisions or do you feel that you are incapable of making such a choice for yourself and need a law?
Why even have a law if it is such a good idea? who in their right mind would not wear one and... aren't we better off without them?
After all... they will surely die.. no one has gotten through life without one.
lazs
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As I found out 2 months ago after being issued a failure to wear a seatbelt ticket while riding in the backseat of a taxi, seatbelts are not required for any occupant over 18 years of age while riding in a taxi, at least in NJ.
At any rate, when I am driving a car, and 99% of the time as a px, I put my seat belt on as soon as I get in the car, not because its the law, but because it was what I was raised to do, and its now become second nature.
I dont think cops should ever go easy on people without seatbelts....If you are in a state that requires a belt to be worn, and you are caught without one, then you broke the law, and should pay the price.
Like I said in the Michael Vick thread..."It doesn't matter if you support or are against any particular law. If you are caught breaking it, there are a series of penalty that you will face. We all know laws are no means of deterrence, so essentially there is nothing to stop you from wearing a seat belt in this example. That said, don't complain when you are pulled over and given a ticket for not wearing a belt, when your in a state that requires it. Right after the cop drives away, feel free to knock that uncomfortable, experience tattering, potentially lethal during an anomoly seat belt off, but just rememeber. When they pull you over again, you have no right to complain. You knew the law, and you broke...So you pay the price for it.
And by the way, my dad NEVER wears his belt, and I tell him he's a jackarse for not doing so. =)
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Originally posted by Bronk
My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.
Argue that all ya want.
Bronk
Armor helped on the medieval battlefield, unless you fell in a river, but most warriors would have liked to have some.
Apparently sword and arrow damage was a more pressing danger.
That being said, I would like to make the choice and I would choose belts.
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I've worn seatbelts ever since they became available and insist my family does too. Just makes sense. Been rearended a couple times and the seatbelt saved me from smacking into the steering wheel and windshield.
Admittedly, before seatbelts it was nice to be able to move around unencumbered on the bench seats in the big ol' cars. Then I remember one time Dad had to stop suddenly and I flew off the seat and smacked my head on the dashboard of the old Plymouth.
That hurt. Big bump. I was okay, but when seatbelts came along, didn't have to ask me twice to buckle up.
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again... it is not about if it is good for you or bad for you... I simply asked...
Would you if you didn't have to? would you every single time?
How can you say yes and then the second the law says you don't have to (riding in a taxi).... you simply don't put em on?
How does that work? is the taxi so much safer? a different universe? don't the same laws of safety and logic apply in taxi universe?
did you fill out an organ donor card when you decided to forgo the seatbelt in the taxi? did your logic go away or....
did you do a risk assessment and a comfort assessment and simply make a grown up free mans choice?
any discussion of how much good they are is meaningless if you won't wear em in a taxi. If you don't demand em in a bus.
Everyone here seems to have strong feelings on why they need em yet... they seem to feel that a law is needed to force them to wear em...
In other words... they tell me they have better judgement than me but then want a law to make them do the right thing... they don't trust their own judgement?
lazs
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Well whether or not you believe it, I cant help that part... but
I do not now nor have I ever felt that seatbelts, lap or shoulder, are or ever were uncomfortable. Restrict movement? sure if you're trying to reach your glovebox at 60 MPH. Reach my steering wheel? no, reach the gas or brakes? no. change the station on the radio? no. No restriction of movement unless of course you're trying to do gymnastics while driving. ( I can think of a couple of times were it restricted movement and I took off the seatbelt but kids read these boards so I'll left it at that)
I cant comment on Taxis, I rarely use one, maybe 3 times in 30 years. If they had a seatbelt I probably used it, if it didnt I dont recall. ( I did have a fun ride in a taxi in Munich Germany once, and no seatbelt either, 4 of us crammed in the back seat) I've rode buses too, and although I find it curious that the goverment that is trying to protect us says we should wear seatbelts, that school buses, city buses and other like mass transportation does not have any seatbelts (except for the driver) but I dont worry about it nor do I avoid buses either.
One exception on uncomfortable would be when I helped a friend of a friend work his pit area for some sprint car racing in Waco. After all the racing was over he let me drive one of his cars for about 30 minutes on the track. All that gear and belts and helmet were uncomfortable and very restrictive. Straps to hold on the helmet, hooked to straps attached to the suit and seatbelts. Straps on my arms hooked to the suit or the car to keep my limbs inside incase I rolled the car. Although I understood the reasons for the gear it kinda made the experience "less" fun than what I imagined it to be. I could I guess add that I remember when we used to go to the go-kart track all you needed was long pants and shoes. Now they have you wear a helmet, seatbelts and wear heavy coveralls. Kinda ruins it for me.
I also pretty sure that in all the miles I've driven I didnt always have my seatbelt on
and Rubbers do take away from sex but its better than no sex...
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Lazs...You already know the answer to your question. Yes, most people would continue to wear their seatbelts while driving their own vehicle, even if it wasn't required. You already know that your a basarse rebel who will only wear a seatbelt at a time and place of YOUR choosing, so why do you care about what other people think? Do you need to hear from other non seatbelt wearing people to make yourself feel better?
Who cares? If you want to wear a seatbelt, then do it. If you don't want to wear one then dont wear one. Just remember not every state is New Hampshire, and dont complain about your ticket when you have broken a law.
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Lazs, don't wear your belt. Show the government who's who. :rolleyes:
Personally, seatbelts have saved my life more than once.
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I'll answer lazs honestly....would I use one if it wasn't mandatory? Probably not.
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Im with Maveric on the whole helmet thing. I wear one all the time. The only time i haven't is when my GF doesnt have hers and its a short hop (I make her wear it)
Im a member of the Marines Motorcycle Club. Most of the guys dont wear a helmet. One in particular was making fun of me one day for wearing mine.
His nickname is "ditch" for obvious reasons. later that day he once again proved why hsi name is ditch by loosing it in a curve going into the ditch and suffered a concussion. he now wears a helmet AND we put training wheels on the back of his sportster for good measure.
I've also had some Garland motor officers see me riding home from work and they will pull up and ride beside me (i've known em for awhile). They wouldnt do this if i ddint wear a helmet.
AS for seatbelts I always wear em. When I was a cop I wore em and I also NEVER EVER had a issue getting out of the belt or the car in a emergency situation. I've seen to many accidents when some 17 year old who HAD their whole life ahead of em only to have it cut short because they didnt wear one.
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Originally posted by texasmom
Yes, I absolutely would. And my kids would too. I guess I can't answer for TxDad ~ I think he would most of the time.
What's the advantage to not wearing a seatbelt again?
laziness?
transforming yourself from a dweeby middle aged man to a cool middle aged man?
That wasn't meant to be a rhetorical question. I really did want to know what the advantage was. I was making assumptions that the two items I listed were possible reasons, but not saying that those are the ones I believe were being placed here as conclusions.
Lazs, you did answer my question: that it was for the pleasure of driving. Okay. I think there's probably a fair amount that would agree with you; and likewise wouldn't wear a seatbelt if they weren't bound by law to.
If pot were legal, I still wouldn't smoke it to fulfill a wish for a little bit of something that some would consider enjoyable. And if seatbelts weren't mandatory, I'd still wear one.
That doesn't mean I'm just checking the block & letting the government tell me what I need to do, and what I don't need to do. It's good safety, it's good common sense, so I'm for it. If the government happens to agree with me on that item, good for them for having a little bit of common sense too.
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I wear mine because, when you start to move my truck without it on, the stupid dinger starts dinging. the only way to shut it off is to buckle up.
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Originally posted by lazs2
traveler... good for you... you do realize that most deaths come from head injuries... do you wear a helmet? No?
How bout a firesuit? race car drivers wear both.
You have never seen a head injury or burn victim? I have... not pretty. someone as timid as you would probly not even drive again.
Do you let people drive you around? are you a good driver?
I say that if you let your wife or friend drive you or... you have no driving skills (average driver) then you are being much more of a daredevil than I.
But be a good little boy and don't run with scissors like mommy said... no amount of intrusion into your life is too much if it is for your own good tho right?
And no... I am not an organ donor... seems like a good way to lose your organs to me.
lazs
How do know what I’ve seen? I’ve seen head injury, most head injury in automobile accidents come from the victim’s head striking the windshield or the door post just behind the left ear. As for burns, like I said, I’ve been on and volunteer EMS squad for over 25 years, prior to that I was a US Army Special Forces Medic in VietNam, ever hear of Napalm?
Wearing a helmet is not required by law but if it was I wood. I don’t think that will ever happen. Fire suite for a regular automobile is not required either, and I think un necessary . I’ve witnessed the aftermath of about 15 fatal automobile accidents one thing that they all had in common was none of them were wearing seat belts.
What you call timid I call smart. I’ve been in two war zones in my life time, I spent 18 months as a combat medic on a A Team in Vietnam and 15 hours doing what I could at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
You should consider being an organ donor, it’s a selfless act , and you needn’t worry they don’t take your organs until your done with them.
I really don’t understand the daredevil comment as a driver of emergency vehicles I have had many defensive driving courses over the years and I never said that you were a daredevil, perhaps that how you picture yourself. I just see you as a fool, but perhaps that’s to harsh, a fool doesn’t know any better, but you do, that just makes you stupid.
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I should have added in my initial response that I always wear a belt on the expressways and when I'm not in the combat zone. I believe seatbelts do save lives but the greatest threat to my well being in the areas where I work isn't another driver but the carjacker and opportunistic predator.
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I wear them, but I believe that should be my choice as an adult. A seat belt saved my life (roll-over 5 and half times in Chevy Blazer); I was not driving, by the way. However, I know my own limitations as a driver (fair, but not expert), and definitely don't trust everyone else on the road. So my personal choice is that I wear them whenever they're available. I also make my kids wear them, even the ones over 18. That's mainly a liability issue, however.
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Originally posted by lazs2
again... it is not about if it is good for you or bad for you... I simply asked...
Would you if you didn't have to? would you every single time?
the $150 fine is a strong incentive to buckle up every time, but I if I didnt have too.. no, self ayrton senna impersonations excepted, I probably wouldn't wear it all the time.
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I believe the fines here are $300.00 per infraction. while I have been cited on many many occasions I have yet to pay a fine. instead I pay a lawyer who somehow beats them in court every single time for $75.00 per citation. is the same thing possible in a NZ?
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Ya I try to wear my seatbelt. Its not a law in my state unless you are young, but I wear it anyways. Its to protect me against retards on the road. Ever since I was in a 4x4 derby years ago and I had a helmet on and belted in, and my head was still bouncing off the ceiling I learned how light and fragile the human body can be in an accident. When it was over my belt was so tight I had all I could do to unclick it.
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traveller... impressive credentials in the caring for injured thing... I admit it but... does seeing a burn victim make you want to wear a firesuit?
did the world trade center convince you to stay out of tall buildings?
My point is that you are seeing a very compressed view of accidents. Most of us are in little or no danger where a seatbelt would be much help in our entire lifetime... add to the fact that wearing em at speed or in the riskier environments cuts that chance even more and you are left with... for most people... a jesture..
perhaps not even that good of a one.. better cars and better safety devices have led to more reckless.. no... careless driving. there are more accidents now than ever.
most of us will sit in the back of a taxi and not think anything of letting some guy who didn't have a license a year ago drive em around.... or let the wife drive while you snooze on the freeway or a two lane highway... most people can't even stop their car safely from 70mph even with the brakes we have today yet they drive 80-90 mph. They risk a lot more than me who won't wear a seatbelt in a lincoln town car.
and... if you rent the very same car in limmo form... you won't have to either... you most likely won't wear one.
Again... thank you for your service but I think it distorts your thinking on this and makes you more aware of danger than is healthy. We can't fear life.
and.... "fool"? "stupid"? quite possibly. we all, every day do things that are stupid or foolish. it is pretty sure that private aviation, skydiving, mountain climbing, motorcycles in general... bike riding...all are "stupid" and "foolish".
All risk is stupid and foolish. no risk is not living at all.
lazs
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Dont wear em.
The only time I put one on is when I am aware of a roadside extortion checkpoint in the area.
Then as soon as I pass it. I take it off.
And its not only because I am a non conformist (which I am)
OR because I am against ANY law put in place designed to protect me from myself (which I am)
Why? they are uncomfortable and I absolutely loathe the feeling of being bound or restricted they give me.
Same reason you never ever see me wearing a tie or decorative chain around my neck.
I just hate the feeling almost to the point of being phobic about it
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texas mom... You said that if the government agrees with you so much the better.
That is good.. I will go with that... I give you permission to wear a seatbelt.. I even think it is good to have a law that manufacturers supply them in new cars and...
If the government wants to wear seatbelts.... agreees with you... I give the government permission to wear them too.
Were I draw the line is when they tell me I have to wear em for my own good.
lazs
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and... to tidy up..
for whoever said they (seatbelts) were just as comfortable as not wearing em. that simply has to come from someone who has never taken a long trip without em.
The lapbelts in my hot rods are more comfortable but... still not as good as none. I move around. they cut into my neck...
And to the race car driver... I wear em in races that I have participated in.. they are very uncomfortable even being thrown around in autocross but... I wear em... this is not even the same thing tho... I don't mind the discomfort because racing is not a comfort thing in the first place.. it would be even worse without the seatbelts... the oppossite is true for motoring along. The car and drive is comfortable.. the seatbelts take away from that.
lazs
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dred... thank you... I never thought of it but I can't wear a chain or such around my neck either. I find the seatbelts.. the 3 point ones constantly restrain me.. every time I try to move they remind me I am trapped or that I can't move if I have to.
Sorta like with helmets ... every time I turn I know I can't do it as well or hear or see and that there is a weight on my head with no nerve endings or senses.
I got out of a seat belt ticket the other day. The cop asked me why I wasn't wearing one.
I said that when you are my age.... every once in a while you get all sentimental and nostalgic for back when it was a free country.
he stuttered a little... tried not to smile and then said "put your seat belt on and get out of here. no ticket... no lecture.
lazs
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Laz, I wouldnt excatly call myself a race car driver, 30 minutes or so around a track,.. once... it was fun though and something I want to do more of...
think it comes down to this. Its probably a generation gap thing so to speak.. we all have different values and experiences....
Laz when you and others of your age group learned to drive.. a lot of cars probably didnt have seatbelts, and those that did only had lap belts. I recall some cars having seatbelts with lap belts and shoulder belts that were separate.
I cant remember if the 64 Nova station wagon we had when I was a kid had seatbelts or not and I think my 69 Cutlass only had a lap belt. I just looked at a 69 351 Ford Fairlane I was thinking about buying and it had a 3 point belt.
Those of us that started driving in the 70's have probably always been using 3 point seatbelts and we are just used to them. Not every car I've ever driven had them but I'm just used to them and I dont even notice them. The early cars I drove the shoulder belt was annoying but since the 80's or so they have been adjustable and not an issue.
I dont wear them because of some law or that I'm afraid of a ticket, I wear them because I always have, its a habit, and I think its right for me to wear. I could care less if anybody else (except kids) wore their seatbelts. I dont see were they needed to make a law to make people wear a seatbelt. Just charge the non-seatbelt wears more for their insurance cause their hospital care is going to cost more, just like they charge us smokers more for insurance.
Now that I think it about 1968 or 69 was probably the beginning of the end for cars, the feds started requiring side marker lights, then padded steering wheels and dashboards. then came the bigger heavier bumpers, smog controls and then it went downhill from there...
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Originally posted by lazs2
traveller... impressive credentials in the caring for injured thing... I admit it but... does seeing a burn victim make you want to wear a firesuit?
did the world trade center convince you to stay out of tall buildings?
My point is that you are seeing a very compressed view of accidents. Most of us are in little or no danger where a seatbelt would be much help in our entire lifetime... add to the fact that wearing em at speed or in the riskier environments cuts that chance even more and you are left with... for most people... a jesture..
perhaps not even that good of a one.. better cars and better safety devices have led to more reckless.. no... careless driving. there are more accidents now than ever.
most of us will sit in the back of a taxi and not think anything of letting some guy who didn't have a license a year ago drive em around.... or let the wife drive while you snooze on the freeway or a two lane highway... most people can't even stop their car safely from 70mph even with the brakes we have today yet they drive 80-90 mph. They risk a lot more than me who won't wear a seatbelt in a lincoln town car.
and... if you rent the very same car in limmo form... you won't have to either... you most likely won't wear one.
Again... thank you for your service but I think it distorts your thinking on this and makes you more aware of danger than is healthy. We can't fear life.
and.... "fool"? "stupid"? quite possibly. we all, every day do things that are stupid or foolish. it is pretty sure that private aviation, skydiving, mountain climbing, motorcycles in general... bike riding...all are "stupid" and "foolish".
All risk is stupid and foolish. no risk is not living at all.
lazs
If you are going to use my name, spell it correctly please. Traveler, one L.
You state the exact reason why one should properly wear a seatbelt. “better cars and better safety devices have led to more reckless.. no... careless driving. there are more accidents now than ever.”
That statement is so true and because it is so true it renders your first statement invalid “Most of us are in little or no danger where a seatbelt would be much help in our entire lifetime... add to the fact that wearing em at speed or in the riskier environments cuts that chance even more and you are left with... for most people... a jesture..”
There are more accidents because there are more registered vehicles on our roadways. The chance that someone will cause an accident that involves you is greater today then the day you got your license.
I’d wear a fire suite if I was driving a Ford Pinto. Wouldn’t you if something like 40 percent of them burst into flame after a minor fender bender. That’s why they don’t make them anyone.
Not really sure I understand your point to most of your other ramblings bottom line is, I wear a seat belt , even in a Cab or town car. It’s not like you have a choice in my state. It’s a rolling violation, like it or not, it’s the law.
You can make any excuses you like, bottom line is worn properly the seat belt works. Worn improperly or not at all it can be very dangerous. Your thoughts on my thinking being distorted is no more valid then your reasoning not to wear seat belts because the “Government” requires you to wear them.
Nothing anyone says will ever get you to change your thinking, I can see that. That why I implore you to fill out that donor card. Transplant hospitals need people like you. Of course they won’t be able to harvest much, not if you are only wearing the lap belt, if you pull any G’s kiss the liver and heart good bye. Kidney get pretty crushed from the belt it’s self. But they could harvest your skin , you seemed overly interested in fire, yes, I’ve seen full thickness burns and 4th degree burns, yes there are 4th degree burns, that’s when the bones are burnt black. , that could harvest your eyes too.
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Originally posted by Traveler
That why I implore you to fill out that donor card. Transplant hospitals need people like you.
I think I met Laz at one of the cons back about 2002, plus I've read some of his stories, I dont think he has any organs anybody could use, sounds like he's pretty much used his all up
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traveler... airscrew is probly right... I've used mine up... had a hell of a good time doing it to. I bet they last me another few decades too... no sense getting all womanly about the whole thing.
I don't care if 50,000 people die a year out of 300 million... or if 10,000 of em coulda been saved had they worn a seatbelt... that is still my decision. not yours.
we could save countless lives if we made everyone wear lifejackets when they swam.. there is a push to do just that... it is bs.
Like I said... you are welcome to wear yours even (LOL) in the back of a limo... I think you are damaged by what you have seen and you think I am a fool... er... no... didn't you say I was just stupid? wonder what you think of swimmers and motorcycle riders and people who get out of bed in the morning?
lazs
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airscrew... you are right for the most part... the people of my generation grew up with no belts or... lap belts. we knew the dangers tho.. don't fool yourself.
The reason we don't wear em now is because we know what it it like to take a long trip without em.. the freedom of movement can't be compared what we have now.
For you younger guys who doubt me... I challenge you to find out for yourself....
take a long trip and don't wear your seatbelts and then come back here and tell me with a straight face that it was no better than wearing the things. that the experiance wasn't better.
Like riding without a helmet... there just is no comparisson.
If you get past that... find a girl that is not the villiage potato and try some sex without a rubber and see if that is not better too.
hell... eat a little fatty food... swim without a life jacket....
sheesh...
you let your kids go to school in buses that have no seatbelts or.. the are not required to...
I just think it is funny that so many are so passionate about protecting me from myself when... in travelers case at least.. it is apparent that they dislike me intensely.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
airscrew... you are right for the most part... the people of my generation grew up with no belts or... lap belts. we knew the dangers tho.. don't fool yourself.
The reason we don't wear em now is because we know what it it like to take a long trip without em.. the freedom of movement can't be compared what we have now.
For you younger guys who doubt me... I challenge you to find out for yourself....
take a long trip and don't wear your seatbelts and then come back here and tell me with a straight face that it was no better than wearing the things. that the experiance wasn't better.
Like riding without a helmet... there just is no comparisson.
If you get past that... find a girl that is not the villiage potato and try some sex without a rubber and see if that is not better too.
hell... eat a little fatty food... swim without a life jacket....
sheesh...
you let your kids go to school in buses that have no seatbelts or.. the are not required to...
I just think it is funny that so many are so passionate about protecting me from myself when... in travelers case at least.. it is apparent that they dislike me intensely.
lazs
also remember cars were built just a bit more sturdy then they are now.
Back in the day an accident at 25 MPH was called a minor fender bender.
Now it almost always includes a trip in an ambulance for someone.
Actually Instead of a seatbelt Im thinking of just getting an old car from the 50s.
Even in a Head on collision with todays cars.
I'd win.
Hell I'd probably only barely notice I hit anything other then the debri from the other vehicle flying around. ;)
But seriously.
I dont wear one My choice.
My wife and 19 year old son both wear them. Their choice.
I dont care what anyone says. I fond the damn things to be uncomfortable.
A few weeks ago I went to watch my nephew play in an allstar football game at Kean University.
After leaving everyone was pestering me about wearing a seatbelt cause there were so many cops around.
So I complied...for about 10 minutes
Then I couldnt take it anymore it was driving me nuts.
I took it off and turned to them and said.
"Screw it. I'd rather pay the ticket"
Im not going ot argue the satey of the Seatbelt.
Statistically Yea. Its probably safer to wear one.
But statistically its probably safer to stay in your house and never go outside either
I'd known people that had accidents where the belt probably saved their lives.
I've also known one where the seatbelt trapped her in place and she ended up being crushed to death when she might have otherwise been thrown free of the seat.
Sometimes no matter what you do it just doesnt matter.
No matter which way you go. You roll the dice and take what you get.
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dont wear one if i'm moving from jobsite to jobsite, everywhere else i will.
i jaywalk and turn left on normal green light (where the have the left turn signal as well) though. i dont trust an inanimate object to tell me when its safe, but if it is safer - why not?
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I just do not feel like going through the window and geeting ran over by my own car, thats why I wear it.
No thnaks
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Originally posted by lazs2
Would you if you didn't have to? would you every single time?
lazs
I have worn seat belts since the 50's. My dad was a pilot and strongly beleived in them. He had them installed in every car we owned that didn't come with them.
I don't feel comfortable without my seatbelts on and I don't feel comfortable without a helmet when I ride. I don't like sliding around on the seat and having to try to hold myself in place, I find it far more convienient to let the belt, or belts, do that for me. One reason I always wear a helmet while riding is the road grit, stones and dirt that get thrown up at you, the bugs that make it around the windshield and all sorts of other unpleasantries that crop up flying through the air.
To answer the question directly, Yes, I do and wish to wear either helmet or seat belts as necessary for the form of transportation I am in or on and I do use them every single time.
I also beleive it should be an individual choice once you become an adult over 18.
Word,
Mark
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I think its how you view life laz. Some of us want see how fast we can go, others want to see how far we can go. The"How far you can goes" create the laws because the how fars pay taxes longer. :)
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Originally posted by storch
I believe the fines here are $300.00 per infraction. while I have been cited on many many occasions I have yet to pay a fine. instead I pay a lawyer who somehow beats them in court every single time for $75.00 per citation. is the same thing possible in a NZ?
Yes, it's often possible to contest in court but it's usualy not practable to do it.
More serious charges like dangerous driving and drink driving automatically get you a day in court but minor infractions are generally payable by instant fines. It's possible to contest instant fines in court but it's not a common practice because the costs of doing so could easily amount to more than the cost of the original fine even if you represent yourself.. even more so if you use a lawyer.. and even more so if you loose (because you get to pay court costs) which is more than likely if it comes down to your word versus a traffic cops. Most people just pay the fines.
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Originally posted by lazs2
again... it is not about if it is good for you or bad for you... I simply asked...
Would you if you didn't have to?
No you didn't you opened the floor with "Sooo... what do you do and why?"
It's they "why" that will bite you in the butt every time. ;)
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Yes I always wear one if I am in any vehicle fitted with them. Started wearing it as a teenager driving my Dad's Ford long before they became compulsory in the UK. It was the only thing that stopped me sliding across the vinyl seats into the passengers lap when cornering, became habit after that.
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As far as I can see, Lazs' objection to wearing a seatbelt is similar to an infantryman in Nam not wanting to carry a gun because it's heavy and the Sergeant is trying to force his will on him.
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Originally posted by Engine
As far as I can see, Lazs' objection to wearing a seatbelt is similar to an infantryman in Nam not wanting to carry a gun because it's heavy and the Sergeant is trying to force his will on him.
wow now there's a stretch and some awesome bait to boot. engine, you are simply brilliant you have invented written stretch bait.
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engine... I don't really know what to say.. except maybe.. that is maybe in the top ten of the dumbest things I have heard in all my time on this board. and... that I am glad you are not on my side.
lazs
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thrawn.. you are right.. I did ask why... my mistake. I admit i was wrong.
And... I do want to know why you would or wouldn't wear em every single time.
I think it odd that most time we have to but... sometimes not... when we don't have to..we don't.. taxis.. limmo's bus etc.
Dred... I think my lincoln would probly come out better in a wreck than my 69 el camino... even tho... some lady in a mini van ran into the back of the el camino and bent the bumper but near totaled her car. She wasn't hurt tho... not even close... we were all hurt tho by having to replace all the crushed plastic and crap... probly $2000 for a less than 10mph wreck caused simply by her not being able to drive and talk at the same time.
They are uncomfortable and take away from the experiance of a roadtrip. A lincoln limmo you don't have to wear em in... I don't ride in little crapboxes and I don't let people drive me around... my hot rods are so old that one of em needs only lap belts and the other is exempt. doesn't need belts at all.
Think I will have the windows tinted darker in the lincoln... right now I just run the seatbelt back around the headrest... to all but the most observant... it looks like I am wearing the thing.
truth is.. a lincoln driven normally is about invisible to cops anyway.
I make little kids wear their seatbelts.. I let adults decide for themselves.
lazs
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Wear my seatbelt by choice, no, never. I look on manditory seatbelt use as yet one more personal right that has been eroded away by goverment.
I'm 54, been in one real accident in my life, and no one was hurt. To wear or not to wear should be my choice.
Now, if my insurance company finds out I'm not wearing it they should have the right to charge me more. But keep the state out of it please.
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should an amusement park have the right to make you use your belt and/or stay seated on a roller coaster?
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Yes they most certainly should have the right. They should also have the right to have you sign a waver and let you ride without one.
I think you are confusing a private company with the government tho.
lazs
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how so?
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why should i have to pay outrageous insurance rates because some moron refuses to care about their personal safety?
why should hospitals have to absorb the cost of uninsured motorists who dont care about their safety?
why should taxpayers carry the burden of lifeflights for the idiots who wont care about thier safety?
why should the others involved in accidents have to spend the rest of their lives feeling crappy because some too cool for a seatbelt guy goes flying through a windshield due to a simple miscalculation or accident that was wholly unintentional?
?
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Originally posted by storch
wow now there's a stretch and some awesome bait to boot. engine, you are simply brilliant you have invented written stretch bait.
I was gonna say outsourced Indian tech support guy but I couldn't make it work :(
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how so what? how is the government and private company different with different powers?
you will not be imprisoned or killed if you don't obey the rules of a private company for instance. Every private company can (or should be able to) make its own rules for people to either abide by or go to the competitors place.
there is no competitor with government. they have an army of police to enforce their rules and they are universal (federal law) or... by state (state law).
you obey or go to jail...if you resist they will club you down or kill you with an army of police.
You choose to go on an amusement ride. You do not need to in any way. your life will not be diminished in any way if you don't.
The few times that I am in a car driven by someone else... if they ask me to wear my seatbelt.... I do. I am in their car and it is their decision. This seems fair to me. I am not paying anything for them to have or operate the vehicle.
If I am in a limmo... it is mine so far as the time I am paying...like a taxi or a bus... I don't have to wear seatbelts do I?
lazs
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you didn't answer my question.
can the state just throw you off to the side of the road if you werent wearing your seat belt or do they just have to absorb your cost?
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jb... if you can tone down the wounded insurance payer hysteria for a moment.
Let me ask you what you did with the huge rebate that the insurance companies gave you when the seatbelt laws passed.
Let me ask you how much your medical insurance has gone down.
asside from that tho.... Maybe it is not a good idea money wise (since that is all you seem to care about) to let people survive car wrecks so that they can live on long enough to cost millions of bucks in medical care in their golden years.
But... I will be fair. You think I cost you money... I think people who can't drive cost money but... forget that fact for now... lets just say that...
Me not wearing a seatbelt has the potential to cost you money due to my chance of increased injury in a wreck... forget that I have private medical.
Ok... fine. I am perfectly willing to check a box when buying car insurance that says "do you wear your seatbelts at all times?"
or.. "50% of the time"
And I am willing to pay whatever increase that will bring in my rates.
I am not worried tho since insurance companies fight over getting me as a customer anyway.. I will just shop around till I find one that says..."hey, he never gets in wrecks... better than the duffus a holes we cover now who crash into everything in sight but wear their belts."
let the market decide.
lazs
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and.. of course I answered your question.. such as it was.
Let me reverse it. If you think a private company and government are the same thing (they are in commie or socialist governments).
Then why do we even need government? or... why do we even need private companies.
I also find it ironic in the extreme that an "arteeest" is so pro big government and big government restrictions.
lazs
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Now, if my insurance company finds out I'm not wearing it they should have the right to charge me more. But keep the state out of it please.
The insurance industry use's the state to find out these thing's, they have for years.
I find it interesting that baseball and the insurance industry are the only businesses exempt from federal anti-trust laws.
If baseball can get laws passed making it mandatory for all of us to attend or at least watch games they will be on par with the insurance industry.
shamus
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I wear my seatbelt because I have already felt what it is like to go flying into an airbag without one, and I have already felt what it is like to go flying into a windshield without one. Neither is particularly fun.
As for the rest of you? Do whatever you like in your car, but in mine, you're putting one on. I'd like some insurance coverage to be left over for me too, you know.
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I rarely wore a seatbelt before 1985. I believe the Michigan Seat Belt Law went live in 1985; I recall not liking to 'have to' buckle up for a while.
22 years later, I buckle up every time without a thought. I'd wear it even if it were not a law, because by now it's a habit (and if only to stop that stupid dinging sound my cars use to tell me to put it on).
I guess I've been trained well.
Funny thing is, I never wear a belt in the back seat.
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vudak... good answer.. honest.
As I said... if you are driving me then you are the boss.. you decide who wears or doesn't wear em in your car... fair enough to me.
I have been in two wrecks where cars were totaled.. probly everyone here would say that the only thing that saved our lives or at least massive injuries was the seatbelts...
Problem was... no one in any of the cars was wearing seatbelts. I believe the stats are overblown.
But... I do think that I should pay more for insurance if I check the box that says I don't wear em all of the time.
To keep people honest would be easy.. simply have a place on all tickets (moving violations) that said.. "was driver and occupants all wearing seatbelts"
That would get back to the insurance company.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
To keep people honest would be easy.. simply have a place on all tickets (moving violations) that said.. "was driver and occupants all wearing seatbelts"
That would get back to the insurance company.
lazs
Interesting you should write that lazs, the last ticket I got in Fort Worth, Texas did have a little box in it asking that very question.
Word.
Mark
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yep... the government has no right to tell people that they have to wear a seat belt.
That is one reason that I fear a socialist medical system. once our health becomes the business of every peta and vegetarian nut job... we will see a trend toward all behavior that is risky being monitored and forbidden by the government...
A government that is run by advocate groups who seldom have your good in mind.
once you can say that you have a financial stake in other peoples health... that you are paying for it... you can tell them exactly how to live their lives under the logic I am seeing here.
lazs
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The way I see it the seatbelt law came about like the "Third" brake light law. A law created to fix a non-existent or overblown issue. IIRC one of the reasons given for the need for a 3rd brake light came about because insurance companies and "Safety Boards" showed satistical evidence of high rates of rear end collisions and the excuse was "I didnt see their brake lights" instead the real reason, "I wasnt paying attention" (I might be mis-remembering)
I dont think having a 3rd brake light is bad, heck it gives you an extra light when the others ones burn out...we just didnt need a law for it. Or for the stupid seatbelt light and dingers...or nutrition lables on bags of chips and bottles of beer...
And last night I let my son drive and I rode in the back seat, and yes those are uncomfortable