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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: LePaul on August 22, 2007, 08:03:11 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294028,00.html
I wonder if he'll bring back the foodlines and empty stores, too?
Its just foolish. But by all means, let's see their 3rd rate aircraft fly these long, long missions. And perhaps we can all pretend its the 60s again.
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Looks like the EuroFighter made it's first interception last night too..
(http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1576470.jpg)
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Boroda must be beside himself in excitement.
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I welcome a "new" superpower. We need a balance that is not present at the moment.
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Seems kind of strange the events of this summer. Claiming the North Pole and all these planes being intercepted. Perhaps we need to shoot one down to get their attention.
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Originally posted by skernsk
Seems kind of strange the events of this summer. Claiming the North Pole and all these planes being intercepted. Perhaps we need to shoot one down to get their attention.
"We" being Canada?
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LOL! I think it would blow the budget if we fired our only missle.
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Originally posted by skernsk
LOL! I think it would blow the budget if we fired our only missle.
Fear not skernsk, we here in the "evil empire" will give you replacements. :cool:
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sweet... life is always easier when you have a defined enemy such as another country rather than chasing 'terrorists' who can run around from country to country
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allow me to play devil's advocate here. I believe many here want to return to the relative stability of mutually assured destruction as well. I'm somewhat surprised that another roosevelt hasn't arisen from the bowels of the democratic party to help with our return to that simpler era.
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Indy007, there had been some Tornado's scrambled to intercept the 'Bears' a few weeks ago as well.
For me, Russia's recent stance hasn't really bothered me. Putin seems fairly popular with the younger Russian generation and I guess it's his way on evoking some pride back into the nation. He has to appear strong. Afterall if it was any other nation they'd also be doing the same under the same circumstances and if they had the resources to do so. Perhaps some countries have been somewhat naïve in thinking that they can do whatever they like without any repercussion.
Nice picture though...
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/uk_enl_1187768437/img/1.jpg)
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Originally posted by storch
allow me to play devil's advocate here. I believe many here want to return to the relative stability of mutually assured destruction as well. I'm somewhat surprised that another roosevelt hasn't arisen from the bowels of the democratic party to help with our return to that simpler era.
They would have to have a Roosevelt to put in there, first.
If you look at the current makeup of the Democratic party, I don't think you'll find anyone even remotely similiar.
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I welcome a "new" superpower.
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well, Norway has a better shot at it then Russia :aok
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Originally posted by storch
allow me to play devil's advocate here. I believe many here want to return to the relative stability of mutually assured destruction as well. I'm somewhat surprised that another roosevelt hasn't arisen from the bowels of the democratic party to help with our return to that simpler era.
I believe that really would only apply if the russians were able to maintain control over their subject states as they used to do.
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Originally posted by Replicant
Indy007, there had been some Tornado's scrambled to intercept the 'Bears' a few weeks ago as well.
I read that. Some Tornado F3's were doing intercepts, but this was the first one done by a Typhoon. I think it's a pretty sweet fighter. It's not a Raptor, but still pretty sweet.
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back into time?
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Originally posted by indy007
I read that. Some Tornado F3's were doing intercepts, but this was the first one done by a Typhoon. I think it's a pretty sweet fighter. It's not a Raptor, but still pretty sweet.
The Typhoon will eventually replace the Tornado F3 (as well as other aircraft) over the next several years. It's difficult to compare it to the F22 since I think they'll be doing quite different roles. Sill nice though, and I'm not just saying that because I work with them! ;)
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Originally posted by Hortlund
back into time?
Yeah.they have been about 180 out. :rofl
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Originally posted by LePaul
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294028,00.html
I wonder if he'll bring back the foodlines and empty stores, too?
Its just foolish. But by all means, let's see their 3rd rate aircraft fly these long, long missions. And perhaps we can all pretend its the 60s again.
Foodlines and empty stores when 50% of the population is on the edge of starvation?! Stores are full, but meat consumption per capita decreased 2 times since 1990. And it's quite easy to explain.
Military and civilian aircraft production means more jobs. The problem is that in the last 16 years we lost highly-qualified workers, technological links that included other Republics got broken, the last news is Motor-Sich from Ukraine abandoning jet-engine production and our Aircraft corporation moving the production to Russia.
3rd rate aircraft - you mean Tu-160? :D If they'll start making them again - that will be a sign that we still got all the technology. And if we really _need_ something - we usually do it. 160 is a brilliant piece of Engineering Art.
Today we got contracts for MiG-29 with Poland, maintenance with Kazakhstan, Tupolev passenger jets with Iran, Cuba and other countries not involved into US policy. I say - it's a success. Sukhoi RRJ is another success, if we maintain technological lines producing civilian jets - then we'll be able to increase military production when we need (and I hope we'll never need it).
I don't see any reasons why we can't beat Embrayer in civilian AC production. We got modern airframes, we finally got modern engines on the conveyor, we have traditional clients who'll prefer to buy new Russian jets at the price of used Boeings, why not? It's "capitalism". Competition should be good for Boeing, Airbus and Embrayer! :D
As I said before - the Bear just woke up and stopped sucking it's paw as he did in Winter.
Putin's govt finally tries not to look as a "shut-down committee". I hope it's not just an election trick, to promote a leading party of professional thieves, the "United Russia".
I'll vote for this "new Party and Government" only after I'll see that they stop killing Russian science, where I work. But it looks like we are a nuisance for them. "Look, we don't pay them - but they still work! Let's try DDT?" Now I feel like I will vote for Communists. You can't imagine how hard it is for me... :( Same crooks, or even worse, but they are the only organized opposition.
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And specially for LePaul:
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http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=212807
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Originally posted by Boroda
3rd rate aircraft - you mean Tu-160? :D If they'll start making them again - that will be a sign that we still got all the technology. And if we really _need_ something - we usually do it. 160 is a brilliant piece of Engineering Art.
The best engineering the Soviets could hijack.
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Actually Boroda, Putin has ordered more and better Tu160 bombers with all new avionics, weapons etc :) I read that today. He also has plans of upto 6 aircraft carriers in the near future.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
He also has plans of upto 6 aircraft carriers in the near future.
I wonder who they'll sell them to this time?
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Originally posted by FBBone
The best engineering the Soviets could hijack.
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. Just take a look.
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Originally posted by Boroda
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. Just take a look.
If it is indeed a lame copy (lol) then its the most successful lame copy ive ever seen :lol
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Originally posted by Boroda
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. Just take a look.
:lol Why kind of glue do you sniff?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Actually Boroda, Putin has ordered more and better Tu160 bombers with all new avionics, weapons etc :) I read that today. He also has plans of upto 6 aircraft carriers in the near future.
6 carriers is a hallucination of our Navy Commander in Chief.
As Shifty already said - the only reason is to sell them to Zimbabwe at the price of scrap-iron. It's a nonsense.
Buying remaining 160s from Ukraine was probably blocked by the US. I wonder why they didn't get a "free sample" and preferred to scrap them all. Probably Ukrainian mentality (and I share it myself ;)) - we'll NEVER give anything for free! :D
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Originally posted by Boroda
we'll NEVER give anything for free! :D
Except misguided communist propaganda ;) :D
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Originally posted by Boroda
As Shifty already said - the only reason is to sell them to Zimbabwe at the price of scrap-iron. It's a nonsense.
Honestly, I would love to see an operational Russian CVN. I'm just a carrier nut.:D
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Originally posted by Shifty
Honestly, I would love to see an operational Russian CVN. I'm just a carrier nut.:D
Well their only carrier was declared operational (again?) very recently :)
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Originally posted by Boroda
F-15 is a lame copy of a MiG-25. Just take a look.
I see we're hitting the bottle again. About every other week now. Check.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Well their only carrier was declared operational (again?) very recently :)
I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info. :aok
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Well their only carrier was declared operational (again?) very recently :)
Is it floating?
:D
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Does it have to be floating to be operational by russian standards? Just asking ;)
j/k
Apparently its operational in all respects including (dis)qualified airwing and freshly painted rusticles :)
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Well if the hold is stocked with vodka, I suppose you could call it qualified......
:p
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The hold is stocked with fresh seawater that constantly gets renewed by something the russian navy calls "uboat peep holes" (we just call em holes). The vodka is stored in the missile siloes were they get extra ompf from the remnants of the leaky missiles they used to afford to have there.
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Kinda silly really, as if those bombers would have the slightest chance of even getting close to any target.
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Originally posted by crockett
Kinda silly really, as if those bombers would have the slightest chance of even getting close to any target.
Well thats the thing.. they dont have to get close at all ;)
The Raduga Kh-55 missile it can carry has a range of 3000km and can carry a nuclear or conventional warhead.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Is it floating?
:D
Last time it finally wasn't towed back to base, it returned on it's own power....
:(
A regiment of Tu-22M can probably do better then a Russian CV group. So it goes :(
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Does it have to be floating to be operational by russian standards? Just asking ;)
j/k
Since 1852 Russian Navy didn't win a single battle...
It doesn't mean our sailors don't do their jobs. Battleship Slava, destroyer Novik/Yakov Sverdlov, Leading-Destroyer Tashkent, guard-vessel Tuman, auxillary cruiser Semen Dezhnev - they all did their duty. I name some vessels from the last 100 years.
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Originally posted by Shifty
:lol Why kind of glue do you sniff?
Just take a look at MiG-25 and F-15 from above, You'll be surprised.
"This bloody Russians always steal our designs! Look, they already fly a plane that we wanted to make 10 years later!" :D
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Actually, the F-15 was designed to counter the Mig-25 and a lot of it’s basic design were copied from the Mig-25… only vastly improved on. As the Mig-25 was perceived as a major threat to the US at the time, that is until one defected and the US got to rip it apart.
I think Boroda is right on this one.
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Originally posted by Heater
Actually, the F-15 was designed to counter the Mig-25 and a lot of it’s basic design were copied from the Mig-25… only vastly improved on. As the Mig-25 was perceived as a major threat to the US at the time, that is until one defected and the US got to rip it apart.
I think Boroda is right on this one.
If I remember correctly, it was the other way around. The mig 25 was made to counter the F-15... but I do not know modern jets, so dont take my word for it.
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The Mig-25 is a huge go fast pig..not a fighter. It does interceptions well...
against fighters..probably not so well. It was meant to counter the XB-70,
which was cancelled after we figured out russian SAMS could go fast and
high enough to splash them.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
The hold is stocked with fresh seawater that constantly gets renewed by something the russian navy calls "uboat peep holes"
:rofl
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Russia does not need carriers.Russia holds half of the planet anyway.
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We were discussing this last night.
What if the the Eurofighter had decided to shoot it down and said to Putin stop playing your silly games.
I wonder what the reaction would have been.
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Originally posted by Bruv119
We were discussing this last night.
What if the the Eurofighter had decided to shoot it down and said to Putin stop playing your silly games.
I wonder what the reaction would have been.
In international waters?
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It wasn't in the water Nilsen its a bloody big plane you seadog.
This was a what if discussion. The pilot had a bad morning and decided to get itchy trigger fingered. The plane drifted into British Airspace and KABOOM!
Spies everywhere i tell you.
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Over international water then jeez
Shooting it down out there would be a huge mistake given the already strained relations you have with Russia.
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Yea thats why it is interesting.
What would Russia do about it?
I doubt they would declare all out war in this modern world we live in.
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Hopefully not, but with Putin you never know. They would retaliate in some form that could range from grabbing a british vessel somewere and charge it for something like smuggeling or whatnot to something more serious.
Perhaps nothing would have been done other than some large loan to Russia beeing mysteriously approved a few weeks later or some other deal that ofcourse woult not be related to the incident ;)
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Id prefer mutually assured destruction, rather than random destruction with no one to hit back.
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Originally posted by Replicant
He has to appear strong.
Well, after kissing the belly of a 4year old boy in red square, maybe some PR adjustments are in order!:aok
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Originally posted by Boroda
Just take a look at MiG-25 and F-15 from above, You'll be surprised.
"This bloody Russians always steal our designs! Look, they already fly a plane that we wanted to make 10 years later!" :D
Take a look at A-5 Vigilante (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/a-3j-schem.htm) (introduced 1961) and MiG-25 (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/mig25/mig25_schem_01.gif) (introduced 1970) from above.
Ok, Ok, it was Su-27 (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/su27/su27_schem_01.gif) (1984) where Vigilante was copied from.
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F-15 Eagle: 1960s Chronology
Originally Compiled By:
James R. Ciborski
History Office
Aeronautical Systems Center
Air Force Materiel Command
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio
29 April 1965 Headquarters Air Force initiated the F-X program by directing Air Force Systems Command (AFSC)"to begin efforts toward acquiring a new tactical fighter, the F-X."
16 Jun 1965 AFSC directed the Aeronautical Systems Division (ASD) to act on prerequisite studies for the F-X.
22 Jun 1965 The initial F-X briefing described "a small, low cost, high performance aircraft capable of visual air-to-ground and air-to-air missions." Air Force plans called for an initial operational capability (IOC) in the early 1970s.
Dec 1965 The Air Force completed and distributed its F-X study proposals to prospective bidders.
Jan 1966 The Air Force received proposals for the F-X from eight companies.
Apr 1966 The Air Force selected three companies to compete for the F-X contract: Lockheed-California Company; North American Aviation, Incorporated; and the Boeing Company.
12 Aug 1966 ASD officially established a systems program office (SPO) for the F-X.
Jun 1967 F-15 Concept Formulation Package (CFP).
24 Oct 1968 The Air Force officially redesignated the F-X as the ZF-15A.
FY-1969 The F-X Advanced Tactical Fighter SPO was reorganized and operational control passed to the Deputy for Systems Management.
14 Jul 1969 The F-15 program office became an independent organizational element reporting directly to the AFSC Commander. ASD continued to provide administrative, logistical, and engineering support for the program. Col Benjamin N. Bellis, brigadier general select, appointed as Deputy for the F-15.
19 Oct 1969 Headquarters AFSC designated the F-15 SPO as the Deputy for F-15. All divisions within the program rose to become directorates of the deputate.
23 Dec 1969 The Air Force selected the McDonnell Aircraft Company of the McDonnell Douglas Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, as prime contractor for development and production of the F-15.
The F-15 is a product of the FX program started in 1965. Three years before the west was aware of the Mig-25. The F-15 is no more a copy of the Mig-25 than the TU-95 is of the B-29.
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Originally posted by Shifty
F-15 Eagle: 1960s Chronology
Originally Compiled By:
James R. Ciborski
History Office
Aeronautical Systems Center
Air Force Materiel Command
Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio
The F-15 is a product of the FX program started in 1965. Three years before the west was officially aware of the Mig-25. The F-15 is no more a copy of the Mig-25 than the TU-95 is of the B-29.
There, fixed. :rolleyes:
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Thank you.:aok
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Originally posted by Boroda
Just take a look at MiG-25 and F-15 from above, You'll be surprised.
At least you might know if the Mig's ejection seat will work.