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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: toonces3 on August 22, 2007, 11:35:04 AM
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So last night my squad was all logged off and I had time for a sortie before bed. All the discussion about the Mid-war, coupled with about 55-70 guys in mid-war last night prompted me to check in and see what the dealy-o is.
So I logged on, started looking around for the fights and pulled up the roster to see who was on.
Well, it was like a 'who's who' of high rank guys. I swear, if there were 50 guys on, 35 of them were ranked in the top 300, 13 others were ranked in the top 1000, then there was me ranked 3450, and some numbers guy just below me bringing up the rear.
Now, I know that 'rank means nothing' etc etc, but just for the sake of argument, let's assume that it takes at least a nubbin of skill to kill enough stuff in this game and get whatever other criteria met to get a rank in the low hundreds (must have been 25 guys between 1 and 200 on there). Then this means that these guys are at least decent at the game, and probably better than me.
My question, then, is why are all these guys hanging in mid-war?
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They use MW to milkrun, statspotato, and otherwise vulch their second accounts. :noid
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Folks went there when one of the other arenas was closed down over the weekend. You mighta seen some of the leftovers. Last night most of the normal LW guys were back up in Blue or Orange.
Hope this helps.
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Got Milk?
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Probably because at least a few of the better pilots believe that the mid/early war planes offer more than the late war models in terms of variety and just sheer fun factor. You can fly mid and early war in the mid-war arena without have to worry about spiteens and la-7's etc.
Another example of this would be back when the AvA was called the Combat Theatre. The caliber of play there was IMHO far and beyond above what's to be found in the MA's. Same principle.
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Originally posted by toonces3
Now, I know that 'rank means nothing' etc etc, but just for the sake of argument, let's assume that it takes at least a nubbin of skill to kill enough stuff in this game and get whatever other criteria met to get a rank in the low hundreds (must have been 25 guys between 1 and 200 on there). Then this means that these guys are at least decent at the game, and probably better than me.
My question, then, is why are all these guys hanging in mid-war?
come on toons, when are you going to catch up? They are not better, they just know how to get score. They are there hiding. Lower number = better chances of survival or score whoring without anyone noticing. You want rank? Start at the EW and when you get better move on to the the MW :rofl
ok, I am sure a couple where not there for that reason.
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I fly LW 90% of my time, but usually visit EW & MW once per day.
My reasons?:
- Different fights / planes.
- Change of pace from the MA.
- I may not like the map in the single LW arena I'm able to enter.
- Hunting milkrunners. (The resulting text flood on Channel 1/200 can be extremely entertaining!)
- Milkrun myself. (Sorry for not freaking out when getting caught myself ;) )
- Listen to all the "Cheat! Hack!" allegations.
- Watching the "reset horde" steamrolling a map
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Because scores are not fixed to 1 arena. It is easier to gain score in unpopulated arenas. That's why.
Wanna boost ya rank the easy easy way go in MW or EW and milk the living watermelon outta it. Go in off peak and capture a field all by yourself.
Wanna do it the right way ? Stay in LW arenas and land kills, damage and field captures. The most simple thing to do is just make sure you are in the right mode for what your doing. Dive bombing = attack mode. Fighting = fighter mode and land as much as possible......it's as simple as that.
You'll be surprised how many don't even register an attack score the whole of a TOD even though they been blowing the crap outta stuff.
Over all rank don't mean much apart from the ability to Cv command. Now if you get to be number 1 in a particular discipline then your talking.
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This isn't 100% true but it partially tells the story:
Let's say 4000 people of average skill play in the LWA's. Some will be better than others probably following a typical bell curve so a few will be highly ranked, a few will be low ranked and the vast majority will fall somwhere around the middle (ranks 1-3000 with 2000 being the most prominent).
Now lets say 1000 people of average skill play in the MW/EW arenas. Following the same bell curve the vast majority will be ranked from 250-750 with a few at the high end and a few at the low end and rank 500 being the most prominent.
Now we merge the two lists together. This moves the ranks both up and down for the EW/MW crowd to cover the full 5000 player spectrum but those who can dominate in EW/MW and score high rank may not be able to do so directly against the deeper talent pool in the LWA's.
As I said, there are some very good pilots who play in EW/MW but those who play there exclusively and dominate play against a much less diverse talent base. Similar to being the star at a small junior college athletics program vs. at a big 10 school. The guy at the JC might put up the same numbers but against who?
The other reason for high ranks in EW/MW is the ability to milk (toolshedding and base capturing) unopposed. No one who plays exclusively in the LWA's posts 25+ base captures consistantly. Almost everone in EW/MW post that or better every camp.
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LW Blue server still has issues....
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I go into MW and EW a lot more now...I find at least 1 good fight (5 min+)
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Originally posted by Sundiver
Probably because at least a few of the better pilots believe that the mid/early war planes offer more than the late war models in terms of variety and just sheer fun factor. You can fly mid and early war in the mid-war arena without have to worry about spiteens and la-7's etc.
Another example of this would be back when the AvA was called the Combat Theatre. The caliber of play there was IMHO far and beyond above what's to be found in the MA's. Same principle.
Naw but nice thought. LOL. Reason was a LW arena was closed. :)
Good sticks fly all planes so they normally fly in the LW so they can chose any plane they want without regards to what the other guy is flying. Be it an EW plane or LW plane it's all available to them in the LW arenas.
Good sticks don't go to other arenas to milkrun and score monger. They don't need to nor do they care.
Anyone who is doing that is telling you he wants to be a good stick but is to lazy to work for it. It's kinda like the bum on the street corner with the sign "WILL WORK FOR FOOD". There's no way he'll work for it but it sounds nice and he gets handouts. Unfortunately that has rubbed off on some of the local poor area school kids. We see football teams standing on street corners with buckets asking for hand outs for money for uniforms. Whatever happened to car washes and other drives for money. They're lazy! Great role models for todays kids. I sure hope kiddies aren't watching milkrunners in here. Great role models, huh?
The next time you see that in an arena just think of him as a street corner bum but don't give him anything or he'll never learn dignity. Let him work for a living like the rest of us.
Had to edit for this....you mentioned laffies and 16's. I rarely fly them but have been this Tour. I find it alot of fun to shoot em down in thier own rides. Eventually they'll find out all that dying is a result of skill level and not necessarily the ride, Once they figure that out they'll try to learn more about fighting and end up in all kinds of enjoyable rides.
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Originally posted by toonces3
My question, then, is why are all these guys hanging in mid-war?
Maybe because some of them prefer MW to the other arenas, I know I do. The last time I checked, the only n00b arena was the TA.
ack-ack
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Rats Ack Ack...you found my hiding place!!! :D
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Out of the "top 50" pilots by rank as of today, I'd only concider 5-8 of them as the "better pilots" the rest are all score hoar dweebs who game the game to get high ranks. Don't base anything of the scoreboards...... unless of course your compairing "score hoar dweebs" :D
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Originally posted by Sundiver
. You can fly mid and early war in the mid-war arena without have to worry about spiteens and la-7's etc.
What worries you about those planes? The only thing that scares me is seeing a 190 hovering over me waiting for me to engage someone else first. Those can be found in all arenas
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If the numbers were a little larger I'd hang in the MW and EW arenas just to get away from the LW mentality.
With the Early and Mid planes, you actually have to use some talent to gets kills and rely on the plane less.
As far as scores go, check out my sig and you'll get my opinion ;)
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Out of the "top 50" pilots by rank as of today, I'd only concider 5-8 of them as the "better pilots" the rest are all score hoar dweebs who game the game to get high ranks. Don't base anything of the scoreboards...... unless of course your compairing "score hoar dweebs" :D
Bingo!
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Originally posted by Tiger
With the Early and Mid planes, you actually have to use some talent to gets kills and rely on the plane less.
what a load of hogwash. The notion that if you fly an early to mid war plane some how makes you better than someone that flies a late war plane is pure B.S.
I also hate to burst your bubble about the MW. Majority of the time the only fight that is going on is between a player and field acks.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Tiger
With the Early and Mid planes, you actually have to use some talent to gets kills and rely on the plane less.
I don't see how two players need more talent to fight in Hurricane 2 vs Hurricane 2 than in a Spit16 vs Spit 16 fight.
Just because you are flying slower planes that doesn't mean you have to be "better"
You only need more skill if you have a plane with a considerable performance disadvantage compared to your enemy's. For example flying a EW crate like the P40B in LW arenas.
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I really like the plane sets in MW, but I have a heck of a time finding a fight in there. What I usualy find are the milkrunner, score ho-er's. I've literaly had people run away from a 1v1 fight when they had all the advantages.
On the other hand the AvA is usualy a great place to find fights if anyone is there.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
what a load of hogwash. The notion that if you fly an early to mid war plane some how makes you better than someone that flies a late war plane is pure B.S.
:rofl :rofl :rofl Especially when the other guy is also in a mid war plane. Wana feel good? Take a P40 and go kill a Spit16 :rofl
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What Lusche said.
Killing Spit XVI's with a Hurri I is fun too Dedalos.
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Originally posted by dedalos
:rofl :rofl :rofl Especially when the other guy is also in a mid war plane. Wana feel good? Take a P40 and go kill a Spit16 :rofl
I one time took down a Spit 16 with my trusty D3A of doom after a good 5 minuit duel.... Nothing makes you feel better then when you can acomplish something like that.. I also was laughing about it for the next few minuits :)
Oh and befor that was the LA-7 I chased down in a P40-B lol course I was to slow to get away from the other 2 LA-7's that were trying to save their buddy lol.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Oh and befor that was the LA-7 I chased down in a P40-B lol course I was to slow to get away from the other 2 LA-7's that were trying to save their buddy lol.
Not picking on you but you brought up the reason LA7s are feared. Would it be any different if those were Spit 9s?
This not for you. Its for the people that cry about LA7s
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Originally posted by Flatbar
Got Milk?
:aok :aok :rofl
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Someone place a call to the SOAR squad. They are the people to watch out for in MW (if you are an avid field-ack gunner that is). If you enter the arena and see a horde of red dots swarming a base with no green dots then you can place a call to the same guys. Im sure they will be grateful for any help they can get kicking the crap out of those pretty buildings.
;)
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Well, I suppose very well it might be folks getting up their score. I don't think that's all of them though.
It was sort of shocking at first though. I logged on, hit the roster and was like, "Whoa! I'm in for a rough time in here tonight!"
Eventually I found a small fight going on between a bish CV and a rook or knight base. There were one or two bish going against two or three enemies near their field. I upped an FM-2, not a plane I'm too familiar with, but the enemies were both in hurri 2c's and I wanted to fly something besides a seafire.
I grabbed some alt and then watched for a while. The 2 bish seemed to be having some good 1v1's with the enemies, so I hung out and watched and didn't interrupt.
One of the bad guys was Stickpig. I don't think he'll mind me saying his name becaue he seemed to be doing legitimate base defense. I've either flown with or against Stickpig before, and I know he's way better than me. So, while I could've engaged with my FM-2, frankly I already knew the result before I dove in. I'm not going to engage a ranked 30 fighter guy in a plane I'm not familiar with.
Eventually a third bad guy came in and I scrubbed off my alt and came in co-E against a zero. Went a few turns, realized I couldn't kill the guy quickly, and figured if I hung around doing loops with the zero eventually Stickpig or some other hotshot was gonna send me to the tower so I egressed and called it a night.
It was an interesting experience.
If nothing else, y'all are having some impact on me though because every instinct I had was telling me to dive in on one of those bubbas who was engaged with someone else and pick him off when his back was turned, but I didn't.
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I fly the EW and MW because I enjoy the plane sets and I don't enjoy a 100+ furball.
IMO the F4F is the funnest plane in the whole HTC world.
I rather enjoy a 10-15 plane furball.
I rather did not enjoy the logarithmic increase in La-5's in the MW when the LW went down.
It's not the plane per se, but apparently most La-5 drivers have only read the chapters of the pilot's manual where they discuss HO and running techniques.