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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Helm on August 22, 2007, 12:04:27 PM
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I am really tired of the endless bashing of the younger players that join our community. I find this bashing 10 times more childish then any antics that a younger flyer does. I find the term “squeaker” offensive and irresponsible.
In the summer of 1998 in Air Warrior a Father and a Son joined our squad, the boy was 13 at the time. The father’s interest waned and he soon stopped flying. Yet his son continued on with us until the Winter of 2006.
The young man become a great flyer and got better and better as time went on. His attitude was very positive and he was always ready to join in what ever the squad was up to.
At the age of 16 this young man took flying lessons and obtained his private pilot’s license. He then began working on his instrument flying ratting which he accomplished. He is now in college and working towards a masters degree.
I feel strongly that the example set by myself and the members of our squad helped to shape this young man’s future. We always treated him as an equal and provided guidance and leadership to him. I think he enjoyed having adults he could hang out with and talk to on a 1 to 1 basis.
The fact is that parents can’t do it all for a child. It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood. In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. Young Warriors need to be shown the path, not berated for their mistakes. Set an example, make a difference in a young man’s life.
Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
Sincerely
Helm
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I totally agree with that.
It's the same for young women as well.
Were it not for my Father who was a B-17 crewman in WWII (390th Bombardment Group Heavy), I would never have gotten interested in combat flying. He was a 30 year career man who served in WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam.
Father flew in the same squadron as the Memphis Belle and he logged 35 missions and returned alive... one of the B-17s he flew in was "Lady Faithful/They Have Had It". It had two names; one one each side.
You fathers who have daughters... consider that they too can benefit from flying in Aces High. And, perhaps the guy myth of some circles ...that women can't fly or can't compete ...will be dispelled. We really are so much more than a toy and, in my experience, many men understand that to be true.
Combat flying (sim or real) is not exclusively a man's domain :)
Hopefully this post will not be viewed as a thread hijack... I am just expanding it to include all young people.
-TIGERESS
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I think you misunderstand the term squeeker. To me a squeeker is a person who wants it all NOW! One who will not take the time to learn the game, read the help info and continually demands that everyone supply him/her with everything they need and want NOW!
You example was of a young man that was respectful, and listened because he wanted to learn more. On top of that he practiced, and worked along side those that knew more and again learned from them.
If you spend your time gettiing questions like "how do I fly?", or "how do I shift gears in my tank", and when somesays go "here" and read the help file, and you get the answer, "Just tell me!", you met a squeeker. If on the other hand, they say, ok, I'll be back soon, and they log off to go read it, then you have a young person who wishes to learn the game. That person I'll help.
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Those who behave well have never had to defend themselves for doing so.
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Originally posted by Helm
I am really tired of the endless bashing of the younger players that join our community. I find this bashing 10 times more childish then any antics that a younger flyer does. I find the term “squeaker” offensive and irresponsible.
In the summer of 1998 in Air Warrior a Father and a Son joined our squad, the boy was 13 at the time. The father’s interest waned and he soon stopped flying. Yet his son continued on with us until the Winter of 2006.
The young man become a great flyer and got better and better as time went on. His attitude was very positive and he was always ready to join in what ever the squad was up to.
At the age of 16 this young man took flying lessons and obtained his private pilot’s license. He then began working on his instrument flying ratting which he accomplished. He is now in college and working towards a masters degree.
I feel strongly that the example set by myself and the members of our squad helped to shape this young man’s future. We always treated him as an equal and provided guidance and leadership to him. I think he enjoyed having adults he could hang out with and talk to on a 1 to 1 basis.
The fact is that parents can’t do it all for a child. It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood. In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. Young Warriors need to be shown the path, not berated for their mistakes. Set an example, make a difference in a young man’s life.
Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
Sincerely
Helm
I think your intentions are noble. I don't bash the youngsters while flying. I do squelch the inpatient bothersome ones when they get annoying, or fly out of their vox range as soon as possible. Plus it's not the ones asking for help, that are annoying. It's the ones that scream for attention, or pork the text buffer with JOIN MY MISHUN 40 times, the list can on and on.
I believe in helping anybody with the game, that wants help.
A few places in your post you leave the planet.
"It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood."
No, it's not. I've fufilled that responsibility with my own four sons. This job belongs to the young man in questions father. Besides the child's father may not agree on your path to manhood.
"In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. "
Judges don't keep fathers away from their sons. If a father doesn't spend time with his son, it's his own fault not a judges. I don't pay $15 bucks a month to fill voids. Theres plenty of things like that you can do in your real life community that would be real help to young people in need. THIS IS A GAME, not a social aid society.
"Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
Again, THIS IS A GAME. We are not here to teach young men to be warriors, nor should we be. It's foolish to equate this game with real warriors, what they go through, or the character it takes to be a real warrior. This is not real war.
" To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
You do you realize there's a real world outside? Other than a couple of thousand of us internet airplane tards, the rest of the world is unaware of any supposed rookies, superstars, or leaders, in this GAME.
I'm all for being polite to the youth in this game, until they display behavior that is disruptive. I'm in favor for helping those who ask for it. I'm also for keeping this game in perspective.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
If you spend your time gettiing questions like "how do I fly?", or "how do I shift gears in my tank", and when somesays go "here" and read the help file, and you get the answer, "Just tell me!", you met a squeeker. If on the other hand, they say, ok, I'll be back soon, and they log off to go read it, then you have a young person who wishes to learn the game. That person I'll help.
I agree with that also. If young pilots can be directed to how to learn (RTFM as Dad would say) they will get ahead faster in life.
It's amazing to me how so many people, young and old, don't want to invest the time to RTM and then complain when they are behind the 8-ball.
I will disregard whines and, in my humble capacity, will help younger or older new pilots who appear to sincerely be trying without the whines. :aok
TIGERESS
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I honestly prefer not to know the age of the players in game....makes for a more seamless experience. However, this whole approach gets blown to HECK when little johnny snotty pants uses his best prepubescent squeeky voice on vox to scold me for not covering his suicide dive.
Still, I dont mind the kids.
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This game is not just a game for a long time now.
Just felt i had to say that.
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I think I have a tear in my eye. No wait.............it was sweat.
Vote YES on mandatory 12 month school year.
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I always assumed that most people using the term "squeeker" were doing so as a light-hearted jab or a bit of a joke, not a derogatory "I hate you, die," term.
If you really find that term so offensive, well, I honestly don't know how you've made it this far in life. The world's cruel. This game really isn't.
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SAVE THE SQUEAKERS!!!
how many more of these threads are we gonna have...whats this like the 3rd 4th one this week?
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Really. Squeaker is just a joke. The very same people who post squeaker posts fly alongside and very often help same said squeakers in the arenas (at least those who are willing to put in the time to learn to play and get better). It's no more or less offensive than dweeb, noob, cherry-picker, vulcher, HO tard, Ram tard... you get the idea.
And no, it's not my job to guide a dweeb toward non-dweebhood just as it isn't my job to guide a squeaker to adulthood.
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My view on helping kids learn the game: If they do thier best to act mature, then I will help them. If not... bye.
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Originally posted by Helm
I am really tired of the endless bashing of the younger players that join our community. I find this bashing 10 times more childish then any antics that a younger flyer does. I find the term “squeaker” offensive and irresponsible.
In the summer of 1998 in Air Warrior a Father and a Son joined our squad, the boy was 13 at the time. The father’s interest waned and he soon stopped flying. Yet his son continued on with us until the Winter of 2006.
The young man become a great flyer and got better and better as time went on. His attitude was very positive and he was always ready to join in what ever the squad was up to.
At the age of 16 this young man took flying lessons and obtained his private pilot’s license. He then began working on his instrument flying ratting which he accomplished. He is now in college and working towards a masters degree.
I feel strongly that the example set by myself and the members of our squad helped to shape this young man’s future. We always treated him as an equal and provided guidance and leadership to him. I think he enjoyed having adults he could hang out with and talk to on a 1 to 1 basis.
The fact is that parents can’t do it all for a child. It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood. In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. Young Warriors need to be shown the path, not berated for their mistakes. Set an example, make a difference in a young man’s life.
Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
Sincerely
Helm
Does he wanna fly? I know of a regional jet outfit that is hiring almost offf the street. 250 hours and a lil twin time or 400 cessna time. Answer the interview correctly and yer in. In a year you'll be a regional jet captain. In another 1.5 years and you meet the mins for any major airline in the USA. :) They have kids that are waiting to turn 23 so they can upgrade to captain. My bud is one of the sim instructors there. :D
Pay sux...the CEO can into a class and told them "I want you to have fun, cause you're not earning much" LOL. Where else can you go from cessna to airline in 3 years today???
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I for one get really tired of the little Napoleons demanding that I join their mission, or why didn't anyone give them a check 6, or who needs a gunner/someone cover my bombers be it a squeaker or an adult, and usually it is a squeaker because they have yet to learn to interact properly in society, and if it's an adult then they will never learn.
As for your implication that it is our job to raise these kids I have to whole heartily disagree. I didn't agree when Hillary said that "it takes a village to raise a child", and I don't agree with you when you say "It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood." That would be the job of the little brats parents who for the most part are failing their children and society. I don't pay my $15 a month to babysit someone elses kid.
The young ones that do play this game and act with respect get no grief from me, and will get my help if needed, but those seem few, and far between.
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Originally posted by croduh
This game is not just a game for a long time now.
Just felt i had to say that.
I have no idea what that means nor what planet it came from but I gotta agree with whatever yer saying. Do you happen to know a guy named Mongo who's running for the Mayor of Memphis but they won't let him?
:D
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
I have no idea what that means nor what planet it came from but I gotta agree with whatever yer saying. Do you happen to know a guy named Mongo who's running for the Major of Memphis but they won't let him?
:D
Just exactly does the Major of Memphis do?
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I'll just chime in a say there is a difference between age and maturity.
I know 12 year olds who are evry mature and 20 year olds who are not.
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Originally posted by SIK1
Just exactly does the Major of Memphis do?
LOL go back and read it again!
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Originally posted by Tiger
I'll just chime in a say there is a difference between age and maturity.
I know 12 year olds who are evry mature and 20 year olds who are not.
The torch has been passed on to some of the 40-50 year olds that play the game.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
LOL go back and read it again!
PWN!
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Those who behave well have never had to defend themselves for doing so.
:aok
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i would dump them all in a massive squekers SQD, with Michael Jackson as a CO,
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Look.....it's the same every year in school brake. Once upon a time kids were dumped in front of TV's to keep them out of mischief, with friends on the street and if country folk to stop then interfering with animals.
Now we have the intardnet but it's the same deal. Many kids are dumped in here and they are sociopaths. Inept interpersonal skills and a "I want" attitude, coupled with the fact their nuts ain't dropped makes them sound squeaky.
Some kids games have a thing saying suitable for 8 to 12 year olds and so on. This game ain't got no such thing. All you need is 15 bucks from mummy or daddy and their pleased to cough it up. Little johnny ain't tearing around the streets or playing with fire in the barn. Does mummy or daddy understand this is populated by a vast amount of adults...no they bleeding don't and do they bleeding care. Not 1 bit after all little johnny is only playing with other kids and out of mischief in their rooms.
Kids on the whole are a pain in the arse and the majority disappear when schools back or parents feel they should concentrate on studies.
Some kids are cool though. They have a mature and polite attitude coupled with interest to learn the game and indeed be taken serious by adults. Their the ones we like. but the others are little more than sociopaths.
I come here to play a game to keep me occupied in an evening away from freakin TV adverts and repeats. I ain't here to baby sit a snot nose kid who's parent could be busy shaggin the next door neighbour for all we know. No sir I ain't kid friendly when their stepping in my free time and being a pain. Let their parents look after them.
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Originally posted by Tiger
I'll just chime in a say there is a difference between age and maturity.
I know 12 year olds who are evry mature and 20 year olds who are not.
Well said. I've heard some of the way the so called "mature" players treat the kids and they are just jerks. In my 7 or so years in here, I've got to say, I've never seen the treatment of new players so bad.
If it makes you feel more like a man to abuse some 12 year old on the internet, well ....
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Originally posted by Shifty
I think your intentions are noble. I don't bash the youngsters while flying. I do squelch the inpatient bothersome ones when they get annoying, or fly out of their vox range as soon as possible. Plus it's not the ones asking for help, that are annoying. It's the ones that scream for attention, or pork the text buffer with JOIN MY MISHUN 40 times, the list can on and on.
I believe in helping anybody with the game, that wants help.
A few places in your post you leave the planet.
"It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood."
No, it's not. I've fufilled that responsibility with my own four sons. This job belongs to the young man in questions father. Besides the child's father may not agree on your path to manhood.
"In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. "
Judges don't keep fathers away from their sons. If a father doesn't spend time with his son, it's his own fault not a judges. I don't pay $15 bucks a month to fill voids. Theres plenty of things like that you can do in your real life community that would be real help to young people in need. THIS IS A GAME, not a social aid society.
"Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
Again, THIS IS A GAME. We are not here to teach young men to be warriors, nor should we be. It's foolish to equate this game with real warriors, what they go through, or the character it takes to be a real warrior. This is not real war.
" To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
You do you realize there's a real world outside? Other than a couple of thousand of us internet airplane tards, the rest of the world is unaware of any supposed rookies, superstars, or leaders, in this GAME.
I'm all for being polite to the youth in this game, until they display behavior that is disruptive. I'm in favor for helping those who ask for it. I'm also for keeping this game in perspective.
Agreed.
I'll add here. There are a lot of kids who play this game honorably and within acceptable, to me anyway, etiquitte. If one of them asks me for help I'll be happy to give it. But the little generals and the ones that don't take the time to learn the basics can be annoying. Patience is the key in my mind. Of course I have 4 squeakers running around the house so I'm used to it :D
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Do you happen to know a guy named Mongo who's running for the Mayor of Memphis but they won't let him?
:D
I do.
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999000<----------raises his hand asks..... "how old is Skyrock"
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Skyrock is immortal
He was born in ancient Carthage from the union of Skianna a princess from an ancient lineage and Rockius a celebrated General and skilled tactician in the Roman army.
At his birth Zeus himself came down and proclaimed that he would own any and all who stood in his way and dubbed him Skyrock and incidentally was named his Godfather. An aside here Skyrock the horse head in my bed the other day was not funny.
He walks the earth eliminating dweebs wherever he finds them.
Of course that's just a theory of mine.
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1) The younger players bring it on themselves.
2) The young player in your example represents a small percentage of the youngsters who come here to play.
3) While you and your sqad mates may have had some affect on the young man you mention....it is likely not as much as you think.
4) It is up to the youngsters parents to give them guidance, not us....a bunch of total strangers. We can set examples that their parents can point to....other than that we bear no responsability. Many young men (and women) are being raised in situations where the other parent is absent. In every case I know, the other parent, whether male or female, is either absent by choice or because they chose to break the law and are incarcerated. It's not the judges fault. If you want to fill the "void" left by the missing parent, that's fine, go sign up for "Big Brothers" or volunteer at the YMCA so you can PHYSICALLY interact with the kids.
5) Teach the "way of the warrior" over the Internet???? For some reason, I don't think you are joking about this. You can't teach someone how to be a warrior on the frigging Internet. I reccommend the Marine Corps...they will teach them everything they need to know.
6) :lol ....Superstars......right.
Originally posted by Helm
I am really tired of the endless bashing of the younger players that join our community. I find this bashing 10 times more childish then any antics that a younger flyer does. I find the term “squeaker” offensive and irresponsible.
In the summer of 1998 in Air Warrior a Father and a Son joined our squad, the boy was 13 at the time. The father’s interest waned and he soon stopped flying. Yet his son continued on with us until the Winter of 2006.
The young man become a great flyer and got better and better as time went on. His attitude was very positive and he was always ready to join in what ever the squad was up to.
At the age of 16 this young man took flying lessons and obtained his private pilot’s license. He then began working on his instrument flying ratting which he accomplished. He is now in college and working towards a masters degree.
I feel strongly that the example set by myself and the members of our squad helped to shape this young man’s future. We always treated him as an equal and provided guidance and leadership to him. I think he enjoyed having adults he could hang out with and talk to on a 1 to 1 basis.
The fact is that parents can’t do it all for a child. It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood. In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. Young Warriors need to be shown the path, not berated for their mistakes. Set an example, make a difference in a young man’s life.
Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
Sincerely
Helm
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I tried FSO once. It was huge fun - except for kenny40 who would not STFU and argued with TracerX about everything. TracerX showed oustanding patience in the face of severe provocation.
I don't care how old anyone is. If you can't make even a tiny effort to fit in, to behave in a fashion relevant to the situation you find yourself in, then stay the hell away.
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If these kids cant take a little flack from us here on AH2, what are they like in the real world? Do they burn down your house for flipping them off or do they get all emo about it? (Its a bad joke)
Its not my job at all to raise anyones kids. If i wanted that job, id go out and get a test tube kit and grow myself a lil hordeling of my own. However, i DONT wish to raise kids nor should I be expected to raise someone ELSES kids, I didnt spawn them nor do i owe it to them. Im not a teacher, im not a parent, im not their friend nor am I going to tolerate the GIMME GIMME GIMME attitude that a vast majority show. If i wanted a gunner, ID ask for one, not have one repeatedly attempt to join me. If i want to fly your mission, I'll join it , If i dont please dont spam with "Join the Mission NOW!" 50 times a minute.
If i wanted to protect someones bombers I'd form up with them, I however wont be ordered into it by someone because they cant fly and shoot at the same time. If i wanted someone to tell me how to check their six for them or cover them, Id already be doing it. If i wanted someone to tell me that my shooting skills are "Teh suck" or that "If you ram them on a HO you suck".... well... actually, in that case id listen to the lil brats.
These kids with the gimme gimmes need to go out, RTFM and learn from it, Practice in offline mode like i did to learn how to fly buffs or how to roll a bf-109 into a NON suicidal dive. Dont get me wrong, I dont mind helping someone who's truly going to listen or needs help and asks. Im all for that, but I WILL NOT help if someone starts making demands like a drill sergeant or telling me i SUCK for NOT covering their six when im busy covering my own.
I may be a new comer to AH 2 but Im hardly new to online flight sims (Air Warrior 2 for years on AOL and off it) or online gaming (sense the 9600 baud days of BBS games). If even I can read a manual and understand things take time to learn, why shouldn't they be expected to show at least the same level of patients? If i can show some common respect, they can too. If not... they get squelched. Their choice, Not mine, im not forcing them to be rude or demanding.
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Tigeress I am sorry to not have included young lady’s in my post. They certainly deserve our guidance as well.
Baine thanks for your post ….I agree that new players in general are treated very poorly, worse then ever in my option
As for the rest of the posts that go….”Hey it’s not my responsibility” ….”It’s not my job” ….”It’s not my problem” ….obviously you folks have not heard of an organization called “Big Brothers and Big Sisters”?
They seem to think it IS their job…and it IS their responsibility.
Ask yourself this: “If you look out your window and you see the boy across the street playing catch by himself cause he has nobody to toss it with.” ….do you?…”Walk across the street and toss a few’ ….or do you? ….”Quickly draw the drapes and hope that nobody saw you notice it?”
I remember quite fondly some of my fathers friends and neighbors taking an interest in my life and showing me the path of the Warrior. What a profound difference this made in my life. Just because we are in an online world instead of a street in your town/city does not mean things have changed.
I remember Mr. Reed taking me for a ride in his Piper cub….he even let me hold the stick
Mr. Triber showing me how to fix everything under the sun
Mr. Daniels talking to me about science.
Mr. Robertson shooting the breeze with me about Baseball/Football/Life
I could go on and on….but the point is that in addition to what my father taught me, other men helped by example and by their friendship and concern. They could have easily done what most of you suggest and they could have ignored me. They didn’t make excuses, they helped me become a man.
There is no reason that we can't help young players enjoy our game and to show them the path. It’s good for them, It’s good for us, and in the end you might just be proud of what you accomplished!
I’m saddened that many do share my Viking/Native American Values…the path of the young Warrior is a concern for all. So the next time you see the evening news and some young person goes wrong, just keep telling yourself….. “Hey it wasn’t my job!” …..”It wasn’t my responsibility” …..”It was not my fault”
May you excuses comfort you in today’s faceless, nameless waste land of indifference!
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I think you misunderstand the term squeeker. To me a squeeker is a person who wants it all NOW! One who will not take the time to learn the game, read the help info and continually demands that everyone supply him/her with everything they need and want NOW!
You example was of a young man that was respectful, and listened because he wanted to learn more. On top of that he practiced, and worked along side those that knew more and again learned from them.
If you spend your time gettiing questions like "how do I fly?", or "how do I shift gears in my tank", and when somesays go "here" and read the help file, and you get the answer, "Just tell me!", you met a squeeker. If on the other hand, they say, ok, I'll be back soon, and they log off to go read it, then you have a young person who wishes to learn the game. That person I'll help.
:aok
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When I fly with my squad we got 2 kinds of squeeker:
Type 1) You hear occasionally on the vox with something relevant to say Ok their fine.
Type 2) Soon as he is on his voice is half of all vox Traffic. This one has no one to talk to I guess but if we humour him we arn't enjoying ourselves and he is getting a misleading impression of how tolerant adults are.
We can nurture kids who are mostly there already but the neglected ignored ones are beyond us, there needs are too great.
I guess whoever started this had some charm and social skills which meant adults enjoyed helping him, allot of the kids who join during the long vacation simply do not have these attributes. What they lack is quality one to one input otherwise known as a parent and we are no substitute.
Just my experience :D
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Helm,
It's nice that you live by those rules and I'm sure you do help quite a few youths in your community but I do have to wonder how many low income houses/crack houses, homes of youths at risk, etc., you've actually been in.
Now, I'm not saying you haven't. But if you have, you seem to have missed the general absence of gaming computers, joystick setups, and parents with $15 to spare for a silly game each month.
My point is, the kids that play this game aren't exactly underpriveleged or typical "at risk" children. On the contrary, they are, (it is very fair to say, "for the greatly most part"), spoiled little brats that have had all the equipment necessary to play this game provided for them by their parents, who also cough up the $15 a month.
It sometime shows.
So personally, I'd say while your heart is good, your time might be better spent starting a youth softball league for kids that will actually appreciate it, rather than trying to get people to be "big brother" to the spoiled little kids who inhabit this game.
(And no offense to any of you lil' squeeks that actually do pay your own way, or aren't spoiled, or who generally just aren't annoying - I know there's a good number of you out there too, but then again this thread was never about you in the first place :aok )
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Originally posted by Helm
Tigeress I am sorry to not have included young lady’s in my post. They certainly deserve our guidance as well.
Baine thanks for your post ….I agree that new players in general are treated very poorly, worse then ever in my option
When I started out in AH I caught a lot of flak, and I know a lot of others did as well, not because we were squeakers, but because we were moving over from AW, so don't tell me new players are treated worse than ever.
As for the rest of the posts that go….”Hey it’s not my responsibility” ….”It’s not my job” ….”It’s not my problem” ….obviously you folks have not heard of an organization called “Big Brothers and Big Sisters”?
They seem to think it IS their job…and it IS their responsibility.
This is not "Big Brothers" I believe you volunteer for that, and by all means go ahead and do so.
Ask yourself this: “If you look out your window and you see the boy across the street playing catch by himself cause he has nobody to toss it with.” ….do you?…”Walk across the street and toss a few’ ….or do you? ….”Quickly draw the drapes and hope that nobody saw you notice it?”
Neither, the pastie little punk is playing baseball on his PS3, with his pastie little punk friends
I remember quite fondly some of my fathers friends and neighbors taking an interest in my life and showing me the path of the Warrior. What a profound difference this made in my life. Just because we are in an online world instead of a street in your town/city does not mean things have changed.
I remember Mr. Reed taking me for a ride in his Piper cub….he even let me hold the stick
Mr. Triber showing me how to fix everything under the sun
Mr. Daniels talking to me about science.
Mr. Robertson shooting the breeze with me about Baseball/Football/Life
I could go on and on….but the point is that in addition to what my father taught me, other men helped by example and by their friendship and concern. They could have easily done what most of you suggest and they could have ignored me. They didn’t make excuses, they helped me become a man.
I remember people helping me out when I was younger too, but I had to put forth some effort, like show respect, follow directions, and show some interest in at least learning the fundementals
There is no reason that we can't help young players enjoy our game and to show them the path. It’s good for them, It’s good for us, and in the end you might just be proud of what you accomplished!
As many have stated in this thread they don't mind helping the younger players, it's the obnoxious little brats that demand our attention that get the razzing, and distain rained down upon them.
I’m saddened that many do share my Viking/Native American Values…the path of the young Warrior is a concern for all. So the next time you see the evening news and some young person goes wrong, just keep telling yourself….. “Hey it wasn’t my job!” …..”It wasn’t my responsibility” …..”It was not my fault”
May you excuses comfort you in today’s faceless, nameless waste land of indifference!
I personaly don't feel that the internet is the place to teach anyone social values be it young or old. It is part of the reason that we live in a faceless, nameless wasteland of indifferance.
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Originally posted by Vudak
Helm,
It's nice that you live by those rules and I'm sure you do help quite a few youths in your community but I do have to wonder how many low income houses/crack houses, homes of youths at risk, etc., you've actually been in.
Now, I'm not saying you haven't. But if you have, you seem to have missed the general absence of gaming computers, joystick setups, and parents with $15 to spare for a silly game each month.
My point is, the kids that play this game aren't exactly underpriveleged or typical "at risk" children. On the contrary, they are, (it is very fair to say, "for the greatly most part"), spoiled little brats that have had all the equipment necessary to play this game provided for them by their parents, who also cough up the $15 a month.
It sometime shows.
So personally, I'd say while your heart is good, your time might be better spent starting a youth softball league for kids that will actually appreciate it, rather than trying to get people to be "big brother" to the spoiled little kids who inhabit this game.
(And no offense to any of you lil' squeeks that actually do pay your own way, or aren't spoiled, or who generally just aren't annoying - I know there's a good number of you out there too, but then again this thread was never about you in the first place :aok )
Very well said Vudak:aok
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Originally posted by Helm
As for the rest of the posts that go….”Hey it’s not my responsibility” ….”It’s not my job” ….”It’s not my problem” ….obviously you folks have not heard of an organization called “Big Brothers and Big Sisters”?
They seem to think it IS their job…and it IS their responsibility.
How can you say "obviously we have not heard of Big Brothers or Big Sisters?"
How do you know what kind of charity we may or may not be involved in with our communities? How can you judge what any of us have given to help the youth in our communities. You have no idea. You're making assumptions.
You're also dictating how people should spend their leisure time.
Who appointed you the leisure nazi?
You really want to help youth?
Get off your butt, push away from the computer go outside and actually help them.
Coach a peewee football, little leauge baseball, or soccer. Arrange a camping trip, paintball game, or fishing trip for boys and girls who could use it and appreciate it. If they have no father, teach them how to help their mother, by showing them how to feed the dog, mow the lawn, or put a coat of paint on their house.
That's going to do far more good than ego stroking them on the internet.
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Originally posted by croduh
This game is not just a game for a long time now.
Just felt i had to say that.
get a life. it's a game. if it's more then a game to you, please get some help. Do yourself a favor and turn off the computer.
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Originally posted by Helm
As for the rest of the posts that go….”Hey it’s not my responsibility” ….”It’s not my job” ….”It’s not my problem” ….obviously you folks have not heard of an organization called “Big Brothers and Big Sisters”?
They seem to think it IS their job…and it IS their responsibility.
I'm firmly in the camp that we are our brother's keeper.
But saying we are not is at least a very old rebuttal.
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Reason for those Organizations is a lack of parental guidence. If the parents stepped up and did their job there would be no need for it. Bad example because for the past 50 years there have been one parent kids that have been brought up to become normal, decent, hard working folks. Welfare Queens comes to mind but this isn't the forum for it.
Having rasied three kids I suggest if you feel so strongly about it that you spend all your money paying for it and let the rest of us put ours along more productive lines. Just don't ask me to pay for other parents lack of concern.
Ren
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Here's a judgement call of mine. I have three boys. The oldest is eight years. He has shown interest in playing Aces High (his plane of choice is the P51-D). He's fairly competent at his age with the basics of flying these sim-aircraft.
But, where I draw the line is the fact he has displayed a poor sportsmanship attitude in other games, and so long as he has that, I will not let him play online. He will need to grow up a bit, first. When he shows that he can handle losing (a lot), then perhaps I'll let him play.
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Originally posted by Helm
I am really tired of the endless bashing of the younger players that join our community. I find this bashing 10 times more childish then any antics that a younger flyer does. I find the term “squeaker” offensive and irresponsible.
In the summer of 1998 in Air Warrior a Father and a Son joined our squad, the boy was 13 at the time. The father’s interest waned and he soon stopped flying. Yet his son continued on with us until the Winter of 2006.
The young man become a great flyer and got better and better as time went on. His attitude was very positive and he was always ready to join in what ever the squad was up to.
At the age of 16 this young man took flying lessons and obtained his private pilot’s license. He then began working on his instrument flying ratting which he accomplished. He is now in college and working towards a masters degree.
I feel strongly that the example set by myself and the members of our squad helped to shape this young man’s future. We always treated him as an equal and provided guidance and leadership to him. I think he enjoyed having adults he could hang out with and talk to on a 1 to 1 basis.
The fact is that parents can’t do it all for a child. It is also our duty and responsibility as Men to show youngsters the path to manhood. In today’s society many young men are raised alone by their Mothers and have very little contact with their Fathers. (wisdom of judges?) This is a void that we in this community can fill. Young Warriors need to be shown the path, not berated for their mistakes. Set an example, make a difference in a young man’s life.
Ask yourself: ….”What have I done to help a young man mature and follow the way of the Warrior” ?
To those of you who help shape the leaders of tomorrow, I salute you all! Remember this: …”Today’s Rookie, is Tomorrow’s Superstar”
Sincerely
Helm
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This post may make me seem old, if so, so be it (I'm 39).
The internet in general and this game specifically has created an unusual situation, where children and adults mingle in (what would seem to be) an egalitarian social manner (on a level playing field so to speak), with little regard for age and maturity. I am hard pressed to think of another situation that is similar.
This can create some unique issues regarding respect and communication that you most likely wouldn't find in real-world scenarios, such as a ten-year old cursing out a 40 year old on channel 200 (or vice versa). Something you would most likely NOT see at a backyard barbecue or at the mall.
The social aspect of the internet has opened many cans of worms, such as the chilling scenarios played out on "To Catch a Predator" as well as less sinister ones seen here involving potty-mouthed, hyperactive and impatient children and the annoyed adults who have to deal with them.
The biggest problem that I can see is that unlike real-life, there are no perceived consequences for bad behavior (for either group) on the internet, leading to some activity that would be utterly inappropriate in real-life interactions. The long-standing hierarchy that has existed between children and adults is becoming very blurry on the internet, and in my opinion, that's not a good thing. Personally I am uncomfortable interacting in this manner with children and avoid it as much as possible.
My two cents.
d0gma
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Having said that, both d0gma and I are in a squad that includes a 12 year old. Sondog is a good kid, and getting to be a pretty good stick. One thing he is NOT is any kind of brat -- if it wasnt for his voice, you'd think he was just like any one of the many "good guys" out there. He doesnt smack, cuss, whine --- or squeak.
The issue isnt whether a player is a kid or not. Its whether the player shows maturity, and interest in a game that frankly requires a long attention span.
Some kids don't have either, and don't get the idea that THEY need to expend some effort to learn. Unfortunately, there are also adult players who don't have either, so we can expect that those choice individuals will abuse some kids who don't deserve it.
Worst of all, we can't really do anything about immature kids, or immature adults, except take a deep breath and try to laugh about it.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Having said that, both d0gma and I are in a squad that includes a 12 year old. Sondog is a good kid, and getting to be a pretty good stick. One thing he is NOT is any kind of brat -- if it wasnt for his voice, you'd think he was just like any one of the many "good guys" out there. He doesnt smack, cuss, whine --- or squeak.
The issue isnt whether a player is a kid or not. Its whether the player shows maturity, and interest in a game that frankly requires a long attention span.
Some kids don't have either, and don't get the idea that THEY need to expend some effort to learn. Unfortunately, there are also adult players who don't have either, so we can expect that those choice individuals will abuse some kids who don't deserve it.
Worst of all, we can't really do anything about immature kids, or immature adults, except take a deep breath and try to laugh about it.
Sim,
My post was merely an attempt to shed a little light on the dynamic that exists in the game with regards to younger players, not to cast dispersions on anyone in particular. I think that a lot of situations that cause friction in the game between age-disparate players can be tracked down to a lack of respect, on both sides of the fence, but more often than not ignited by a lack of respect from the younger players and the 'gimme now' attitude.
Absolutely, I think that sondog is what all younger players should strive to be. Plus he is a good stick, much better than I am. AND he's the son of our squad's CO, so there's some oversight there. Not that he needs it, but it does bear mentioning, especially in light of my previous post. As well, my previous statement regarding playing the game with children does not apply to sondog, as he is the son of a friend and not some random child on an internet game.
d0gma
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Originally posted by Helm
I am really tired of the endless bashing of the younger players that join our community. I find this bashing 10 times more childish then any antics that a younger flyer does. I find the term “squeaker” offensive and irresponsible.
I'm going to be frank and don't take it as me being rude. It happens in EVERY game. Every game. It's going to happen, you'll just have to deal with it. Its great to find young players with such interest and maturity; however, its far and few between.
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.................VANSCREWS... ............................. .......IS.................... ..... THE........................ ULTIMATE..................... ......SQEAKER..... or so i think :D :D
:aok
i don't have problems with the newer kids that play the game, i just think some are annoying (example:64kills).
anyway, i used to be a HUGE sqeaker, but i'm grown up now, at the age of 12 :D. Don't call me a sqeaker because i'm not. (i got into the C-Hawks which usualy only accept people that are 18 or over, so thats gotta show something)
Subway