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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ergRTC on August 23, 2007, 02:43:45 PM
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One little plink and the b24 is toast. Not that hard to aim with either. This could be a little bit of a strange bird in the sky. How much air to air was done with a 75mm? Eminently possible in here.
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Don't recall any stories of any fighters being shot down in the air from a B-25's 75mm cannon. Probably strafed countless parked on the ground but in the air...zilch.
ack-ack
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Does it fire AP or HE type rounds?
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Originally posted by soda72
Does it fire AP or HE type rounds?
HE
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Originally posted by ergRTC
One little plink and the b24 is toast. Not that hard to aim with either. This could be a little bit of a strange bird in the sky. How much air to air was done with a 75mm? Eminently possible in here.
I'm curious... Did you actually land a hit on a B24?
From what range?
What speed?
Was he even looking back?
Seems to me the B25 isn't any faster than the B24, and to hit reliably you'd need to be close (dangerously close, with all those defensive gun turrets on the -24s)
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offline drone?
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yep offline. Also carrier take offs are pretty easy too (with the C).
With some practice I think you could reasonably hit from about 1.5 maybe 2k out depending on the size of the target.
I hit at about 800-400 depending on my luck.
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Just a little offline practice has convinced me to try deacking with it. It seems to hit right in the crosshairs at a decent range.
Of course, I don't expect that big target to last long close to the field.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
One little plink and the b24 is toast. Not that hard to aim with either. This could be a little bit of a strange bird in the sky. How much air to air was done with a 75mm? Eminently possible in here.
In tests the USAAF concluded that the 57mm Molins gun as superior to the 75mm on the B-25 due to the autoloader allowing firing under G loading. The 75mm could not be operated in anything other than level, non-manuvering flight.
In short, none.
The automatic 57mm Mollings got a total of one kill that I know of.
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I was in a FFA h2h room, and took up the 25H, and found me a Firefly on the ground. I started shooting at him from about 2.5k out until about 800. I couldn't hit him, but I could see that I was able to knock out of his tracks then another one. Later I got some hits on him, but they just bounced off. It sure was fun though.
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"deacking"
Yes, I second that. The explosive radius is such that, if you miss a little, you can easily take out ground guns before you are within their range. But the trajectory is such that you shouldn't miss. On the "pizza" map, where you have ground bases some distance away from enemy airfields, this is going to oust the 110G as the default strafer. The one problem I have found observed is that, in a dive, it builds up speed easily, sheds its rudders, and continues to dive straight into the ground. And it is a big target for ack. But a tough target.
I can imagine people sitting 1.7k behind a formation of B-24s, blasting them one after the other, laughing. It reminds me of the 37mm in IL2's 110G, although it is much easier to aim and use.
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The HOing dweeb have a nw plane to fly. Thank You HT for releasing it a few days before school started. Give em 2 days-1 week before they go back.
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Doubt it. It's not going to be much of a HO threat, unless you use the 50cals.
Even then, 8x 50cal are on the P47 as well, and it's probably more capable of surviving the HO (pilot is hidden behind a massive bullet proof engine) than the B-25 is (pilot hidden behind thin greenhouse canopy)
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As i thought.. the b25s are super fun to kill :D
And wtg HTC for not making it available in attack mode :D
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Out of curiosity, what's the difference between it being available in Attack mode and not? I actually am not sure I understand the technical difference between the two.
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Originally posted by sethipus
Out of curiosity, what's the difference between it being available in Attack mode and not? I actually am not sure I understand the technical difference between the two.
It's scored differently. For example your kills do count.
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Kills of vehicles or planes by a bomber have no effect on score or rank. Vehicle kills are only counted if an aircraft is flown in attack mode.
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and therefore seein as most of us never play for rank you dweebs better watch your tails and tanks for dogfighting B25s :D
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After flying the B-25H, I have a few words to say.
JEBUS H. F***ING JUMPED UP CRIKEY. It is teh 4ws0/\/\3nes base pwn BFG3000!!!1!!!11ONE!!1
for our California Beach English speakers:
Dude, like it's totally awesome, dude. Like, you got this massive cannon, that like is so totally awesome dude. Dude you got'a, like fly it, it is so freaking awesome, man.
And Paris Hilton had this to say:
"That's hot."
:D :p :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
and therefore seein as most of us never play for rank you dweebs better watch your tails and tanks for dogfighting B25s :D
:aok :aok :aok
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or perhaps...
OMG!! PONIES!
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an interesting airplane for sure. Got it off a carrier with 100% full bomb load on the second try. Not going to say how but it can be done. I'm kind of surprised at that.
Time to die :)
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You know how to backup on carriers right dichotomy?
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Originally posted by ergRTC
You know how to backup on carriers right dichotomy?
Pssst....thats the only way to do it
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
and therefore seein as most of us never play for rank you dweebs better watch your tails and tanks for dogfighting B25s :D
woot!! :aok :cool:
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popped a flak panzy with one lob from about 800...
I likey
The flakpanzy was lookn the other way..
Now all we need is ...Para-bombs..
Is that what they called the lo level bombs?..cant remember
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
Now all we need is ...Para-bombs..
I think you misspelled Nukes.
:cool:
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Originally posted by BiGBMAW
Is that what they called the lo level bombs?..cant remember
Yes or High-Drag...:aok
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Originally posted by Nilsen
As i thought.. the b25s are super fun to kill :D
And wtg HTC for not making it available in attack mode :D
Actually I am a bit confused as to why it isn't available in attack mode. This model with the 75mm gun was intended for ground attack after all.
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Originally posted by badhorse
Actually I am a bit confused as to why it isn't available in attack mode. This model with the 75mm gun was intended for ground attack after all.
Same here actually, and _maybe_ HTC has simply made a mistake and will change it.
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Originally posted by badhorse
Actually I am a bit confused as to why it isn't available in attack mode. This model with the 75mm gun was intended for ground attack after all.
yeah thats gotta be a bug surely?
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nailed a Niki from 800 behind with it yesterday.. gun takes some getting used to but is hella fun.
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I did some basic testing of the B-25H cannon last night.
Here's a few facts we discovered.
You can sit behind a formation of heavy bombers and pick them off with the cannon at ranges out to 2,000 yards. I fired 8 rounds at 2k to score 3 hits. One hit is more than enough. Closing to 1,500 yards, I needed 5 rounds to score 3 hits. Practiced using .target command. At 2k, aim for upper ring to get bullseye. At 1.5k, aim mid-way between 2nd and 3rd ring. There's no defense against this for buff pilots, other than to maneuver the formation.
One issue. The cannon fires with the all guns trigger unless you have bombs aboard and select the bombs instead. I use secondary trigger to squeeze off cannon rounds.
Those 8 fifties will shred anything that gets in the way. Very concentrated firepower.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
After flying the B-25H, I have a few words to say.
JEBUS H. F***ING JUMPED UP CRIKEY. It is teh 4ws0/\/\3nes base pwn BFG3000!!!1!!!11ONE!!1
for our California Beach English speakers:
Dude, like it's totally awesome, dude. Like, you got this massive cannon, that like is so totally awesome dude. Dude you got'a, like fly it, it is so freaking awesome, man.
And Paris Hilton had this to say:
"That's hot."
:D :p :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
OMG LOL !!!!!!ONE2wenty!!IV!!!!!0101100!!!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Widewing: I was getting more assists last night than kills. Lots of hits in concentrated areas, but apparently scattered, doing no damage.
Quite annoying that!
Seemed weaker than normal 50cals, even though there were more of them. Got only 2 kills (after many repeated hits) and 3 assists (after several good hits).
Don't know if this is true, stats-wise, but they felt weaker.
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I only played around with it briefly last night, but I'm impressed. She may "only" have the same 8 .50cal as the P-47, but all those guns are centered in the nose. Adding the punkin' chucker makes for one NASTY hail of lead on-target.
Any vehicle that's not significantly armored (Ostwinds, PTs, M-3s, 8s and 16s, and jeeps) is in trouble.
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I took her out for a spin last night & w/ one shot I took out a pnzr. :D :aok
And the B-25H willl be perked in... (http://teacherweb.com/images/aniStopwatch.gif)
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I spent a lot of time laughing maniacally last night. Aside from my DGS plane, this is my new baby. I can't tell if I've hit anything air to air (aside from a point blank HOram and a KS) with the 75mm, but this thing is a riot.
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Originally posted by ergRTC
You know how to backup on carriers right dichotomy?
But of course I do. I do wonder how many people drove their planes into the sea last night that don't. :D
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Originally posted by Widewing
I did some basic testing of the B-25H cannon last night.
Those 8 fifties will shred anything that gets in the way. Very concentrated firepower.
My regards,
Widewing
you not kidding about the 50s widewing, they really tear things up.
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Originally posted by rodak
you not kidding about the 50s widewing, they really tear things up.
i got a laugh at how fast you could take out buildings with this thing. although i lite up a spit that flew in front of me that some how survived.
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I'm particularly amused to see how many guys who were disparaging of the Mitch being added who have now completely reversed their opinion. :D
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Took a trial run to see how the 25H fairs against towns.
Took 8X250 lbs bombs and flew at 1K over a24 MW. first pass ack knocked out both engines but managed to take out 5 bldgs and 2 ack. Circled around as a glider nose down and took out 8 more bldgs with both engines being dead.
This is the new town killer.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Don't recall any stories of any fighters being shot down in the air from a B-25's 75mm cannon. Probably strafed countless parked on the ground but in the air...zilch.
ack-ack
Pilots hated the 75mm cannon. It was hard to aim and the recoil slowed the plane by 50-60mph. When speed is life that is a no-no. The 75mm was intended to be used against shipping and only when the plane was moving very fast. Against most ground targets what all those 50cals couldn't handle the 500lb bombs did.
To bad AW doesn't model the effects of recoil. Most B-25 tank busters would get off one shot, stall and have a very unhappy meeting with mother earth.
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Maybe AW didn't, but I know for a fact AH does.
Start your engine, throttle up just enough to disengage wheel locks, but not to move forward, and fire all guns in a P-47. You'll go backwards as much as 10mph if you hold the trigger down long enough!
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Took it for a spin this morning for a 20K bomb run on a VH and it did it's job although I doubt you will see many of them in bomber mode in the LW arenas because there are other bombers better suited to lvl bombing in LW with better defences and payload. I would say the C remids me of a better armed Boston 3 in lvl bombing mode, though the straifing version I'm sure will be much fun :)
Otherwise It remids me of an american big brother to the 110 if a fat big brother. :D I took the cannon on a troop killing mission to a V-field and after some experimentation I found it workd well to lob a shell into the barracs then a small sprits with the 50's and pop go's the barracs.. Also the cannon was great for poping the ACK there also, could take it out befor it even got close to hitting me though you will deffinatelly want to make sure you are attacking the ack from the sides of the field and don't make yourself a target for both guns to lock onto as you are a big fat target :)
Over all I think it will find a nice nitch in there with the 110 and probably replace the 110 for attacking CV's after the ord has been droped at your field.