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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dantoo on August 23, 2007, 03:05:46 PM
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spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin
sigh if it only was american .........
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I'm still at work.
Surely it's "better" (even if not perfect)?
Re-positioned weights, re-mapped damage, right? No more single ping fireballs? Right? :confused: Might have some spin issues, but so does the 38 and the spit1 and the ta152.
Is it still "crappy"?
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No - not crappy as such. Smoother at higher speeds. Shame is that bits start falling off at about 440. Ailerons are apparently only taped on.
Edit: bits falling off seems controversial. Some guys saying 440 some say 480 some say not even at 500. Mine have been falling off from La7s etc not speed.
Pilot wounds seem to be the go from the talk, but its not a flying bbq.
I took one up to 12k, pulled into a snap and spun all the way down. Power, controls, flaps all make no diff. I didn't try differential engine power. Might be worth a try.
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Hrm... I'm definitely going to have to try it out.....
.... after I fly the crap outta the B-25 :noid
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B-25 Dogfights in TT tonite!!!!
The carnage!!
Still wish it woulda been the Invader,
Boner
Oooops---sorry--wrong thread!!
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Originally posted by 1Boner
B-25 Dogfights in TT tonite!!!!
The carnage!!
Still wish it woulda been the Invader,
Boner
Oooops---sorry--wrong thread!!
Yea I'll be waiting in my 110 for the easy kills :t
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Originally posted by Dantoo
sigh if it only was american .........
:lol
:aok
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Why no pilot armor still? I noticed no diff at all in that regard. Pow, PW, pow, PK.
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Oh, they fixed that pesky pilot armor problem!
Yanked that junk right out! Lightened the load by about 200lbs!!
:t :O :lol
(*typed while still at work*)
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Can't comment on pilot armor, but I've never seen the Mossie as special in that regard. All twin engined fighters in AH seem excessively prone to pilot wounds.
The flame dampers are still on, I topped out at 338mph on the deck with 50% fuel.
The handling is massively more benign. I was able to pull over the top, shuddering on the edge, and not enter a death fall.
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i think the wound debate may be caused that any damage to the pilot hitzone produces a blackout effect untill death from blood loss.
surely the vast majority of those would be light shrapnel wounds or deflections off metal surfaces, and even if proving eventualy fatal, not capable of causing such rapid and frequent blackouts.
but then its a game, so.... we know the rest.
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Originally posted by Dantoo
spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin
sigh if it only was american .........
I can't agree with this. Every plane will spin at some point but the old mossie would always spin if u pulled back on the stick whilst incorporating a slight right or left turn. That was my first test and the new mossie handled it. Seems a lot better now with regards to spin and handles ack hits without the fire ball.
Shame the bloody damper doodar thingy- me-gig is still on it. Whats the point of a night fighter without night time? Would love a full power version even if they put 30 perkies on it.
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Quoted- Why no pilot armor still? I noticed no diff at all in that regard. Pow, PW, pow, PK.
Splinters?
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I put it in a spin and was able to recover, so thats new! also landed 5, thats also very new. I like it.
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I will do some more testing. I spun down 12,000 feet and could do nothing at all to even slow it. I pulled it into the spin in a high speed stall. It wasn't the spitfire aft cg nonsense type thing. Fairly ordinary spin, completely unrecoverable using all normal techniques.
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i watched fx1 in a mossie on the deck today after new version with 3 la7s in a furball as i flew towards him to help.
he killed them all before i even got a chance to shoot one. :D
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Originally posted by Citabria
i watched fx1 in a mossie on the deck today after new version with 3 la7s in a furball as i flew towards him to help.
he killed them all before i even got a chance to shoot one. :D
Yes, just fiddling with it offline it feels a lot handier. I can tell that if I put time back in, I could get some real success out of it.
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Ok, a couple more test flights done.
Each stall was produced as a snap roll induced at 200 ias, by about a 20 deg nose up, 30 deg bank, then sharp back stick and full rudder together.
Alt was 12 - 14k, fuel 50%.
First 3 times I could recover without difficulty. I tried with combat trim on and off. Recovery slightly easier with it off.
It was stable enough that I was able to complete the P47 "flip around" manouvre under full control. (Might be worth working on for the fans).
I was about to concede I had it all wrong when a flash of thought. I fired off the ammo until about 100 rounds of cannon remained and tried again.
Persistent unrecoverable spins. Each time I tried I got the same result. It might be that reducing the ammo load brings cg aft enough to make it unstable? Is this sort of accuracy modelled? Is this something that needs a tweak or is it a feature? I would be pleased to hear if others get the same result or if it's something I've got screwed in my setup.
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I got to fly the mossie for one sortie last night, and from what i could feel it has gotten better. :)
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Originally posted by Dantoo
It might be that reducing the ammo load brings cg aft enough to make it unstable? Is this sort of accuracy modelled?
I would be incredibly impressed if HTC modeled the plane with that much detail.
Until they say otherwise, I'm guessing that the answer to your question is "no."
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The 38's have always flown better with the lighter ammo loadout option......
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Messed with one last night and found it much more stable riding the edge nose high........ it responded to flap at the appropriate moments permitting slow reverse roll and hammer head type turns.
Its much easier to enter combat with this Mossie than the one we had last week.
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FINALLY!
After such a long time and a recent intensive campaign, HT and cronies fixed the mossie :aok
Thank you HTC.
Now, how do I get the flame dumpers off in the hangar?
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Went off line did me expert test pilots malarkey lol. Did 50 & 25% fuel loads and combat trim on. Did Spins with full ammo pack and spins with 623lb lighter empty guns. For the life of me I couldn't induce an inverted flat spin.
Every spin I did was easily recoverable with reduction of throttle. Even tested spins with left outer tank empty with no adverse effect to recoverability.
Max loss of altitude before recovery was 2,500 feet with throttle wide open. I could see that needing another 1,000 in certain situations.
If anyone experiences trouble with recovery the first thing is throttle off and nose down. Other than that I would recommend checking calibration on all axis especially rudder. If rudder settings are set to light and by light I mean over reactive I would suggest incorporating some dead band. For want of a better expression, to eliminate over steering.
HTC and crew, well done lads:aok ...... any chance of a full power version. I'll spend mucho perkies if need be:D
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im with lynx on this one
I Tried for the life of me to recreate the spin bug by turning and stalling it as hard as i could. It will spin eventually but easily recoverable.
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Originally posted by Enduro
I would be incredibly impressed if HTC modeled the plane with that much detail.
Until they say otherwise, I'm guessing that the answer to your question is "no."
all other planes do... loose wieght when firing weapons off or taking guns out for instance
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^-- I'm pretty sure it's been that way since day 1 in AH1. Enduro should have figured this out by now :D
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Flight model is very much improved. I agree, you can immelman properly now, and it seems more stable in nose high manuevers. :aok
As for the armor issue, it could very well be that all the twins in AH have a tendancy to get PWs more, I dunno.
...looking forward to the Mossie getting an AH2 makeover, and maybe we will get the flame dampers off then.
...and combat trim sucks, I never test FMs with it on, as I never use it.
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Same experience as lynx and bruv, never got into an inverted flat spin but did find myself in a regular flat spin that was recoverable.
Much improved.
shamus
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Originally posted by Krusty
^-- I'm pretty sure it's been that way since day 1 in AH1. Enduro should have figured this out by now :D
I never survive long enough to empty my clip, I guess. :D
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Originally posted by Karnak
Can't comment on pilot armor, but I've never seen the Mossie as special in that regard. All twin engined fighters in AH seem excessively prone to pilot wounds.
The flame dampers are still on, I topped out at 338mph on the deck with 50% fuel.
The handling is massively more benign. I was able to pull over the top, shuddering on the edge, and not enter a death fall.
Have to agree with this.
Found myself on the edge shuddering normally this would induce the death stall but it pulled through nicely.
Also found the high speed hi g turn it did not flip over into a flat spin.
I am especially pleased it does not turn into a roman candle like it use too.
I am disappointed to see the flame dampeners still on hopefully when it gets a rebuild they will be off.
This plane is a personal favorite and I just want to say thanks for the fixes HTC
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Does this mean you'll be changing your avatar? :D
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Originally posted by Krusty
Does this mean you'll be changing your avatar? :D
It's now free until the dampeners are off.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Does this mean you'll be changing your avatar? :D
Not untill its entirely free
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Mossie seems real crisp as well
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I just tried to do some hard manuevering with it, and unless I am mistaken, the Mossie just got a lot more dangerous to the enemy as a fighter. I was pulling things in it that I'd only have tried in a P-38 before (amoung twin engined aircraft).
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I saw 4 mossies below me (was at 20K in a B25) about 5K or so. I passed them as they were outbound of the base I was inbound to. They pulled a massive immelman and ended up at the same alt and heading as me. Not only did they shoot me down with ease, the closed the gap even after the immelman with alarming ease. The new Flight model on the Mossie is to be feared indeed, of course that is to say that I will still provide staunch resistance in my 109, 190, and P38 as I have found a solid well planned offencive against "feared" planes often frustrates their pilot and leads to a kill.
:aok
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Keee-rist.
All this good news and I'm on the road, gotta work 24-7 during my days at home.
pah.
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I saw 4 mossies below me (was at 20K in a B25) about 5K or so.
Err that was me in the lead mossie.:D
We were stoked that we were able to pull the manouvre you describe so well. After that encounter, we continued north and met with a spit who fought well, but was dispatched by numbers and firepower. An F4U helping him dived on me moments after I shot the spit. He was 400 and shooting when I pulled the snap.
The spin developed almost instantly and down I went. Nothing and I mean nothing worked. I do know how to pull out of a spin. I have done it here and in real life. I started this thread about 45 seconds later.
I have been able to recreate the spin offline. If others can't, well good on them. I have also found that when the spin is incipient, an immediate closure of the throttle will prevent it and the plane will mush. As such it isn't the horrid always fatal nonsense of the past. The way the mossie now handles the stall under 99% of conditions is brilliant. In fact it has now morphed into a stall fighter. I would suggest that a P38 pilot would love it.
Unless something else emerges unforeseen, then I would further suggest that the "fix" is good and doesn't need more tweaking. My first flight of the "new" Mosquito ended with an all too familiar outcome. Because I half expected it, I made the mistake of assuming that it would still be the rule rather than the exception. I apologise for allowing my dissapointment cloud my judgement. The aft c of g problem will seemingly only occur under particular load out conditions and then only with rough handling. If you find yourself doing this, then like I did, you probably deserve to start again from the tower.
Is there a chance that the Spit 9 and 110 might be dealt with similarly?
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Originally posted by Souless
Have to agree with this.
Found myself on the edge shuddering normally this would induce the death stall but it pulled through nicely.
Also found the high speed hi g turn it did not flip over into a flat spin.
I am especially pleased it does not turn into a roman candle like it use too.
I am disappointed to see the flame dampeners still on hopefully when it gets a rebuild they will be off.
This plane is a personal favorite and I just want to say thanks for the fixes HTC
awesome flying in the DA strich S!
we did:
moss vs P51D - which was pretty much even
moss vs moss - i got my arse handed to me.
moss vs nik2j - nik dominated still at low low alts, but not so at 5000ft.
strich is trying to take Thrila's spot as mossy ace :)
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Originally posted by Dantoo
Err that was me in the lead mossie.:D
We were stoked that we were able to pull the manouvre you describe so well. After that encounter, we continued north and met with a spit who fought well, but was dispatched by numbers and firepower. An F4U helping him dived on me moments after I shot the spit. He was 400 and shooting when I pulled the snap.
The spin developed almost instantly and down I went. Nothing and I mean nothing worked. I do know how to pull out of a spin. I have done it here and in real life. I started this thread about 45 seconds later.
I have been able to recreate the spin offline. If others can't, well good on them. I have also found that when the spin is incipient, an immediate closure of the throttle will prevent it and the plane will mush. As such it isn't the horrid always fatal nonsense of the past. The way the mossie now handles the stall under 99% of conditions is brilliant. In fact it has now morphed into a stall fighter. I would suggest that a P38 pilot would love it.
Unless something else emerges unforeseen, then I would further suggest that the "fix" is good and doesn't need more tweaking. My first flight of the "new" Mosquito ended with an all too familiar outcome. Because I half expected it, I made the mistake of assuming that it would still be the rule rather than the exception. I apologise for allowing my dissapointment cloud my judgement. The aft c of g problem will seemingly only occur under particular load out conditions and then only with rough handling. If you find yourself doing this, then like I did, you probably deserve to start again from the tower.
Is there a chance that the Spit 9 and 110 might be dealt with similarly?
CC,
I know it was you that shot me down, it did not bother me that badly I EXPECTED to get burnt flying that clunker in the LWA. :rofl
You have to give me credit though, I was not like all the herds of dweebs on the deck with it. I actually climbed to a decent alt, not that it helped me any. The moment I saw your flight of 4 Dantoo I knew that was my doom, I just was testing the new plane out. ( I had my lone gunner ready to fling spit balls out the window at ya):lol
Seriously though it was pretty amazing to watch y'all pull such a HUGE immel like that, I was expecting y'all to plummet like the mossie of old.:aok
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I was expecting y'all to plummet like the mossie of old.
You see, you and I both had the same expectation!:D Three minutes later it happened!
When you get a bunch hit you like that, it's best just to pick one and hammer the crap out of him. They will still get you but for sure one won't be celebrating with the rest :)