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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sweet2th on August 24, 2007, 11:04:28 AM
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In WW2 The 5th Air Force incorparated skip bombing into it's arsenal.
Wonder if we'll be able to do the same thing here in AH-2??
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/BukkNasti/Skipbombing.jpg)
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what you going to skip bombs at??
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Camaros :t
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:O guess i'll cancel the trip to the river this weekend.
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Originally posted by whiteman
what you going to skip bombs at??
cv?
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Skip bombing was used against lightly armed TRANSPORTS, for the most part. On WARSHIPS you have armored sides, and a bomb won't do as much damage (especially near the waterline armor belt), and you'll never get into attack range before being killed by defensive fire.
You take it up against a CV you'll die 5k out from puffy ack.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Skip bombing was used against lightly armed TRANSPORTS, for the most part.
Destroyers are pretty lightly armored. Not sure how much work would have to be done to implement it, though. Some kind of on the fly calculations would have to be done with speed, altitude, bomb weight, and impact angle to determine whether the bomb skips or not.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Skip bombing was used against lightly armed TRANSPORTS, for the most part.
Ok, the interisland Barges on some of the maps come to mind. :)
Also, they could (and did) skip bomb ground targets. Drop OTD, turn away, bomb keeps going and you are getting out of the line of fire a lot sooner.
When are we getting parafrags? :rolleyes:
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They dropped the bombs at 200 feet and 200 MHP while setting the fuse to a 5 second delay, so that the bomb would get far into the ship before detonating.
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"They dropped the bombs at 200 feet and 200 MHP while setting the fuse to a 5 second delay, so that the bomb would get far into the ship before detonating."
Presumably the bombs would have an armoured cap, otherwise they would just break apart on impact. It looks like there's a book on the subject, "Skip Bombing" by James T Murphy:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2287q9
He flew B-17s. He is a Buff buff. According to the blurb, "the aircraft were flown at a 200-foot altitude and at 250 miles per hour at night. One-thousand pound bombs, equipped with four-to-five second fuses, were dropped from the B-17s."
Skip Bombing would be a great name for a fighter ace.
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Originally posted by whiteman
what you going to skip bombs at??
Dams.
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Originally posted by whiteman
what you going to skip bombs at??
CV's, LVT's, Barges, Destroyers, Cruisers, etc, etc.
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Well..
.. we already have a bunch of tards who SKIP the entire process of calibration, fly 200ft @ 200mph over an ack-blazing airbase, spray the entire payload in a damned messy pattern, and then either auger or miserably get shot down by a lot of annoyed fighter pilots.
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So yeah, AH does have skip bombing. The only difference is it ain't the bombs skipping around, but rather the smoldering carcasses of witless pawns with a lazy attitude.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Well..
.. we already have a bunch of tards who SKIP the entire process of calibration, fly 200ft @ 200mph over an ack-blazing airbase, spray the entire payload in a damned messy pattern, and then either auger or miserably get shot down by a lot of annoyed fighter pilots.
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So yeah, AH does have skip bombing. The only difference is it ain't the bombs skipping around, but rather the smoldering carcasses of witless pawns with a lazy attitude.
Don't be a hater.Just cuz someone else enjoys something you don't.And whats the big deal if someone augers??Oh thats right, they will mess up thier K/D ratio.So why are you worried about someone else Augering?You didn't get the kills for them augering and no wtg's from the peanut gallery???Is your score drastically effect by this???
Now after i fly low level and bomb a target i can turn around switch to the HEAVY GUN and demolish what ever else.
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It's not being a "hater" to hate the morons. Morons deserve our hate, sometimes.
I've seen too many tards go WAY out of their way simply to cause greif for other players in this game. I sort of agree with Kweassa's underlying point.
Sure, you can have skip bombs....
....When CV groups get 200% as many ack guns as they do now, all with increased lethality. Make it so you never pass over the CV on the way through, make it so you get shot down horribly and violently before even reaching the center of the fleet.
THEN you can have skip bombing.
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Oh yes, by all means, lets not model one of the main uses for the aircraft just because Krusty thinks the laser-ack on CVs isn't deadly enough as it is.
Take a couple of flights with torpedoes in and see how many hits you get. I never even get close enough to drop, even when I come in so low my drones are stuck a couple of hundred feet above me.
200' at 250MPH, you'd be such a sitting duck against the current ack settings that 75% of the time you'd never even get close enough to attempt a drop (going by my own experiences low-level bombing in AH against the CV, and memories of skip bombing in WB2). Figure that with the prevailing level of bombing skill in the MAs, 50-75% of those that do make it through to drop would miss or botch the approach, and that each bomber is only carrying 6 500#ers to begin with.
If 10 try to come in (with 6 bombs each, for a total of 60), and 3/4 of them get killed by either the Ack or covering fighters before then (leaving 15 bombs to be delivered), then 3/4 of them either miss, or get put into another ship besides the CV (I myself usually go for the cruiser first), that leaves less than 4 bombs (ie., less than 2,000 pounds) to hit the CV. And a lot of easy kills for the gunners and Blue Planes.
Oh yeah, skip bombing would ruin gameplay as we know it. :rolleyes:
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You know those films where they show anit-aircraft around a carrier group? Where they're shooting at the kamikazes?
Those guns fire 10x as fast and are 50x as dense as what we have in our current fleet.
You think any B-25 would get ANYWHERE near a fleet? Anywhere?
If you're getting so nit-picky as to want skip bombing (and then to want to use it against a target it was never used against!!) you can't complain that ack is too hard -- when that thing you WANT was used against pretty much defenseless targets.
Sorry if I spoiled your little wishlist item there, but it's like saying "I want to shoot a pistol outside the cockpit while flying!" and then expect the bombers to let you get within 50 feet alongside their cockpit so you can shoot at their pilot. You can want it all you like, doesn't mean it'll do jack in the manner you want to USE it, and doesn't mean it was ever historically used that way.
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"skip bombing"
It's interesting to ponder the physics involved, and the game model. Aces High doesn't model water as if it was real water. It was like landing on gravel. But, then again, from the point of view of a bomb travelling at around 250mph, water is essentially solid.
Clearly Aces High models bomb collisions with the ground, and aircraft collisions as well. It also models ballistics, and ricochets, although the ricochets I have seen appear to travel in a straight line, without shell drop, until they hit something on the ground, or vanish into the air - but I could be wrong, the ricochets could be accurately modelled.
Skip bombing is essentially a ricochet, but with a very shallow ballistic trajectory. Perhaps the game could fudge the effect by giving the sea some of the properties of a tank's armour plate. At the very least it would be an amusing occasional one-off fluke bombing technique (in practice, no-one would bother).
Alternatively, and if Aces High *does* accurately model richochets, you could produce the effect of skip bombing by persuading a tank-driving friend to sit his tank in line with the target, and then coming in for a low-level bomb run, so that you drop your bomb on top of your friend's tank. The bomb will ricochet off, and hopefully hit the target, and you will have an incredible film you could post on YouTube - and after that, Hollywood! Or the talk shows.
"Sorry if I spoiled your little wishlist item etc"
Are you an employee of Hitech Creations? I'm new here, I haven't read through your profile yet. You're very rude to your customers, for a customer service rep.
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Krusty as a customer service rep???
Mahahaha.
If you're new you shouldn't go leaping intergalactic distances when jumping to a conclusion.
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Personally I would prefer to first see parafrags before skip bombing. This I know could be eaaily implemented and would be greatly useful.
(PS. I did not know you worked at HTC now Krust. :rofl )
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Why Bother with skip bombing when you can come in and lvl bomb with B26's with 4 1000lb bombs and sink the CV like I do or 8 500lb bombs like Thndregg does all the time... CV's are soo easy to sink as it is I don't see the point.. Once you learn how to lvl bomb a target that moves at the same speed all the time Why would you need HTC to program in another way to drop or throw bombs at them??
Kinda a waste of programming time I think.
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Why Bother with skip bombing when you can come in and lvl bomb with B26's with 4 1000lb bombs and sink the CV like I do or 8 500lb bombs like Thndregg does all the time... CV's are soo easy to sink as it is I don't see the point.. Once you learn how to lvl bomb a target that moves at the same speed all the time Why would you need HTC to program in another way to drop or throw bombs at them??
Kinda a waste of programming time I think.
I know how tolevel bomb.I want something more of a challenge is all.Plus if you factor in the historical element of it all it would be cool to see it happen.
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The picture depicts a dam busting bomb.
The skip allowed the bomb to loose speed....slow down and then sink to about 10 or 20 feet down next to the dam then detonate.
It would tear up a CV if done right.
A small amount of explosive if detonated in water near a hull will do way more damage than a larger bomb detonated on the serface.
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Yes, but on AH, as I've heard, there is no "underwater". In other words, the bomb can't sink and detonate below the surface. It would require a lot more to implement skip bombing for that purpose.
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Originally posted by Agent360
The picture depicts a dam busting bomb.
And there are lots a Dams off the coast of New Guinea.:D
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Originally posted by Agent360
The picture depicts a dam busting bomb.
..er..what?
- oldman
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Originally posted by Agent360
The picture depicts a dam busting bomb.
The skip allowed the bomb to loose speed....slow down and then sink to about 10 or 20 feet down next to the dam then detonate.
It would tear up a CV if done right.
A small amount of explosive if detonated in water near a hull will do way more damage than a larger bomb detonated on the serface.
The bombs used for dam busting were round not like the ones in the picture. The picture is a shot from the numerous raids on Wewak during the New Guinea campaign. Most likely B-25's target was probably some barges or cargo ships moored in the lagoon.
ack-ack
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Ehh skip bombing in AH?..
Sure! Id love to blow ben affleck 25s out of the sky as they use em with no effect against anything but barges and a perhaps a de-acked port. :aok
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IMHO Why Skip bomb when we have the B-25H? The thing shreds a DE escort, puts the hurting on the CA, and de-acks the CV like nobody's buisness. Skip bombs, para-bombs, who needs 'em? The H will lay waste to any soft target, without any fancy bombs being coded.
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i think i fell asleep twice reading this post
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Originally posted by kilz
i think i fell asleep twice reading this post
And yet you still responded.Thanks for making the effort.
The B-25-H is a total blast to play with.I agree it does destroy just about anything.