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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: xtyger on August 25, 2007, 12:35:33 PM
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Since this latest upgrade?
Seems to me you used to be able to ditch in enemy territory and cheat your opponent out of a kill, as long as you ditch right.
Twice, since the latest upgrade, I've done good ditches in enemy territory only to have the message come up that my opponent shot me down and I'm captured. Didn't it used to be that you'd get a message that you had ditched and been captured?
Did this change since the upgrade or has it always been like that and I'm remembering wrong?
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Remembering wrong. If it's in enemy territory that's how it works.
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I thought that was just for gvs and if you were within 6k of an enemy. I guess not?
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Let me reiterate that I'm wondering about my opponent getting a kill after I've ditched. I know I get captured if I ditch in enemy territory. I just don't remember the opponent getting a kill (except in gvs).
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i had the same thing happen yesterday, we in a tangle with someone, got hit and got an oil leak, got away and ditched.. soinso shot you down... before if you landed it just said that you ditched or you were captured..
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Thanks. I was thinking so. It would say both: "You have ditched" and next "You have been captured".
I can see the guy getting the kill if you crash, instead of ditching, but these last two ditches I'm talking about were textbook ditches (if I do say so myself) and I even got the message that I'd ditched but the cons still got the kill.
So maybe that has changed.
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if it has, i guess its a wash as to weather its positive or negative..I guess maybe they should get the kill if your deep in Indian country.. if you think about it in real life its just effective.. you shoot the guy, he has to ditch on YOUR turf.. pilot is captured, plane is total loss to their side... no different than a bonafied "shoot down"
on the other hand, if you get plugged and manage to limp your way back into friendly territory.. ditching within a few K of a friendly base or town.. maybe that shouldent count as a kill, because the pilot can just catch a sheep and ride it back to base and hop in another ride, and the plane .. is at least partially salvageable..
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It's been that way. If you are hit, and ditch near they guy that hit you, he gets the kill.
Gunner
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I see your point, Snubby, but I think a ditch shouldn't be a kill in either friendly or enemy territory.
Ditching can really take some work sometimes. Heck, a lot of the time. You might have oil all over your cockpit and maybe even a dead engine. You have to time everything just right to find a place to ditch and still have some momentum in the plane left to maneuver and find a safe spot to land, IF you can find a safe spot to land.
If you're in enemy territory, that might make it even harder, as you might have a better chance of enemy still after you.
I think a lot of people underrate ditching. It takes skill and a lot of luck.
I say if you ditch, you deserve to cheat the con out of his kill. After all, he can always try and shoot you down while you're trying to ditch.
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If you shoot someone, he smokes, and hits the ground, is it counted as a kill. If they guy climbs out, is it still a kill?
A kill is recoreded when a plane is downed. A death is recorded when the pilot dies. Some kills are not a death, some deaths are not a kill. Makes sense to me :)
Gunner
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If my memory does not fool me:
If I was pinged before ditching in enemy territory, I have always gotten a "XXX shot you down" - unless that very enemy was killed / has landed before my ditch.
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I think it might be affecting planes aswell. I ditched a plane within my own radar range the other day and when I towered the other pilot still got a kill on me.
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
It's been that way. If you are hit, and ditch near they guy that hit you, he gets the kill.
Gunner
This is incorrect. You could ditch with the guy 200 away from you but if you are in friendly territory, it's a ditch w/ no kill awarded.
I ditched a plane within my own radar range the other day and when I towered the other pilot still got a kill on me.
Some radar areas overlap. It's simply based on what base you are closest to. If, for instance, you ditched in radar range of your friendly base but you were closer to an enemy CV, you would have a "captured" recorded and not a ditch. It's that simple.
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I know for a fact that you could ditch before in enemy terr without a kill being given to the other guy, I had an osti at and enemy V base rip the wing off mg G2 but I was at such level and going so slow that when I hit the ground, i lost the other wing and just slid, to a stop.. and got a ditch, other guy got no kill.. and he was RIGHT THERE.
IMO he SHOULD have recieveds a kill, he put me out of action and on the ground with half a plane in enemy territory.. thats as much of a kill as anything IMO.
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Originally posted by Snubby
I know for a fact that you could ditch before in enemy terr without a kill being given to the other guy, I had an osti at and enemy V base rip the wing off mg G2 but I was at such level and going so slow that when I hit the ground, i lost the other wing and just slid, to a stop.. and got a ditch, other guy got no kill.. and he was RIGHT THERE.
IMO he SHOULD have recieveds a kill, he put me out of action and on the ground with half a plane in enemy territory.. thats as much of a kill as anything IMO.
You're mistaken. Post a film.
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I dont record every time i get shot down..
that would be alot of film:(
and no, im not mistaken. the sole reason I remember the event was for the fact that I managed to get shot down but was so low that when I hit the dirt I didnt explode.. and instead got a ditch.
cant do much to reproduce it now since its changed.
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Originally posted by Snubby
I dont record every time i get shot down..
that would be alot of film:(
and no, im not mistaken. the sole reason I remember the event was for the fact that I managed to get shot down but was so low that when I hit the dirt I didnt explode.. and instead got a ditch.
cant do much to reproduce it now since its changed.
It hasn't changed. If you were in enemy territory, you didn't get a ditch, you got a capture.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You're mistaken. Post a film.
I have seen it too Steve (in months past) PISSED me off too! Have a long fight with some guy (SECTORS from anywhere like home for him), I realized his oil leak is now a dead engine, next thing ya know, he slows up, ditches, I get NUthin (except or the 'kissing-your-sister' kind of feeling that I won the fight)
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
It hasn't changed. If you were in enemy territory, you didn't get a ditch, you got a capture.
ditch, capture... whatever.. nobody was given a kill for it is the point, which is different now. Now it would say "you were captured, XXXXX shot you down"
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Ok, to clear up a few points.
1. Unpinged (no enemy has landed a round on you)
You can land in enemy territory and nobody will get the kill on you as long as no enemy are within' D2.5
2. Pinged (you have been hit by enemy fire)
If you land in enemy territory and the person that pinged/shot you is still alive, they get the kill if you tower out. They could have hot padded, and be 1/2 way across the map, they still get the kill credit. If the person that pinged/shot you is dead, see #1.
Friendly territory you can land and tower and they won't get the kill. D2.5 or ping/shot matters not.
Same as it has been for years and years.
Nothing has recently changed.
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Originally posted by Snubby
ditch, capture... whatever.. nobody was given a kill for it is the point, which is different now. Now it would say "you were captured, XXXXX shot you down"
There is a difference. If the person that pinged you had ended mission/ been sent to tower and no-one was within 2.5 of you, no kill would be awarded.
Nothing has changed regarding this recently.
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Since we're on ditching, What I think is totally idiotic is that you can belly land on the strip and your ok. Slide off the strip and into the grass and it's counted as a ditch. I think if you make it back to the field and set it down in any fashion you should get a safe landing. So you slide off the runway a few feet? So what? It's stupid stupid stupid.
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Originally posted by Bubbajj
Since we're on ditching, What I think is totally idiotic is that you can belly land on the strip and your ok. Slide off the strip and into the grass and it's counted as a ditch. I think if you make it back to the field and set it down in any fashion you should get a safe landing. So you slide off the runway a few feet? So what? It's stupid stupid stupid.
And as soon as the whole field gives you a legit "landing" people will start to say: ""So you slide off the field a few feet? C'mon, I mean grass is grass, just because I slide 5 ft further...."
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
There is a difference. If the person that pinged you had ended mission/ been sent to tower and no-one was within 2.5 of you, no kill would be awarded.
Nothing has changed regarding this recently.
ok, you know what? forget it, disregard.. its all good, forget it. :aok
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Originally posted by xtyger
Since this latest upgrade?
Seems to me you used to be able to ditch in enemy territory and cheat your opponent out of a kill, as long as you ditch right.
Twice, since the latest upgrade, I've done good ditches in enemy territory only to have the message come up that my opponent shot me down and I'm captured. Didn't it used to be that you'd get a message that you had ditched and been captured?
Did this change since the upgrade or has it always been like that and I'm remembering wrong?
it has seemed to me that at least for the last few months, if there was ANY enemy within a short distance of you...in enemy or friendly territory, you gave them a kill when you ditched. i've been on both ends of this..i've gotten kills because a guy ditched after i shot him up.....and i did see him make a good landing.....and i've ditched and when i exited flight, i got the ""so and so has shot you down"" message.
i realy think you need to simply try to get pretty far away from any enemies.....airborn or goundborn .
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john
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Ok what makes sense in the overall scheme of things.
I'm on my way in my 38G over Rabaul and I get shot up and I have to ditch. I get captured and finish the war as a POW or worse executed by the Japanese MPs on Rabaul
Thats about as much of a kill as you can get.
On the other hand, I'm in my 38G over Rabaul and i get shot up. I somehow manage to make it to friendly territory and while I don't make the field, I ditch it in a field where later on the Engineers recover my bird, ship it back and have it rebuilt. Meanwhile I return to flying.
That ain't no kill.
So if I ditch in AH near an enemy base and I'm captured the guy who shot me up should get the kill.
If I'm defending my base and I get shot up and ditch near my field. He shouldn't get a kill.
Isn't that how AH does it? That's how I've always seen it.
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I think Tyger is right, it's been changed, but not in this version. Even in the previous one it was this way... while, IIRC, with 2.09/2.08 and previous ones, if you got to ditch in enemy territory, you were just captured, no kill awarded to anyone.
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Originally posted by Lusche
And as soon as the whole field gives you a legit "landing" people will start to say: ""So you slide off the field a few feet? C'mon, I mean grass is grass, just because I slide 5 ft further...."
I completely get your point, Lusche. But, would it not be fair that if you were to land with at least 1 wheel on the strip that it would count as landing? I have (on more than one occasion) made it back to base by the skin of my teeth, broken, out of fuel, etc, and barely landed on the strip(hanging halfway off) only to ditch.
That being said, I am totally aware that improving my skill will make things easier overall. ust my opinion.
Thanks for shooting me down so many times:D I learn something from every film that I watch of you tearin' me up. I mean this sincerely and honestly.
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Thanks for your kind words.
If you ever want to know how things were looking in my cockpit, contact me. I usually film every combat, for I have still a lot to learn myself. So I most probably could make you the film available.
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everything WMlute said was right. if you try to ditch anywhere near enemy territory you will get a capture if there is a bad guy near you then he will get the kill. and it counts as a kill for them.
now if you try to ditch in a friendly territory then you will get a ditch, no matter how many times some 1 has pinged you if you land a ditch in FRIENDLY territory then you will get a ditch.
nothing has changed in this perspective.
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so the moral of this story is if you ditch in enemy territory and want to deprive the guy of his kill, wait a little while to give him time to land and tower out before you tower out.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ok what makes sense in the overall scheme of things.
I'm on my way in my 38G over Rabaul and I get shot up and I have to ditch. I get captured and finish the war as a POW or worse executed by the Japanese MPs on Rabaul
Thats about as much of a kill as you can get.
On the other hand, I'm in my 38G over Rabaul and i get shot up. I somehow manage to make it to friendly territory and while I don't make the field, I ditch it in a field where later on the Engineers recover my bird, ship it back and have it rebuilt. Meanwhile I return to flying.
That ain't no kill.
So if I ditch in AH near an enemy base and I'm captured the guy who shot me up should get the kill.
If I'm defending my base and I get shot up and ditch near my field. He shouldn't get a kill.
1)actually, i think the system looks at it as whether or not you're still a threat or not. it probably only scores as a kill as the plane is down, in pieces, and at that exact moment not a htreat to anyone.
Isn't that how AH does it? That's how I've always seen it.
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Originally posted by CAP1
1)actually, i think the system looks at it as whether or not you're still a threat or not. it probably only scores as a kill as the plane is down, in pieces, and at that exact moment not a htreat to anyone.
Isn't that how AH does it?
No. System never does anything like that.
(BTW, you might work on your art of quoting. Difficult to tell what you are just quoting and what your own contributions are.)
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Lusche films almost every flight?
That's another 25% of his time, just as a librarian.
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Demonslayer wrote, "now if you try to ditch in a friendly territory then you will get a ditch, no matter how many times some 1 has pinged you.".
I believe it was yesterday I was headed to a carrier with two kills to land in my FM2. I really wanted to land those kills as I believe they would be my first two landed in a Wildcat.
I thought I had a good landing but I guess I blew it. I ended up sliding off the front of the carrier. To add insult to injury, not only did I get the message that I'd ditched, I also got a message that someone shot me down. I don't believe there was a con within eyesight, either.
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Let me see If I understand this, and not that Im going to do it cause who cares? If I ditch a bomber over enemy territory and just outwait the fighter pilot getting back to tower then he doesnt get credited with the kill? And if I shoot him up, and he ditches by hitting enter 3 times and then O, then I dont get credit for the kill? Unless its in my own terriritory and he doesnt outwait me at the tower?
Ive been wondering why fighters I shoot up dont continue an attack and run away at first sign of trouble with their airplane. For every 1 I kill from a bomber I probably make 3 run off. Not that it matters cause I fly bombers to take out targets , not to take out fighters.
It all makes sense when you think about it I guess. Except the outwaiting to tower thing.
A few times Ive spent 1&1/2 hours in Buffs, taken out 50% of a factory, shot down 3 fighters, and then got discoed on landing.:huh
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your rong
never been able to ditch in enemy territory. unless possibly attacker dies b4 u exit plane.
my new concern is i have had several planes ditch inside icon range & still in the air with out any proxy. nomatter where it happened... home turf or enemys.
as soon as u get close or have air supperiority POOF they gone.
has any1 else noticed or know that it works diff than im thinking?
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ok, riddle me this..
I was flying high over a base and a single p51 was orbiting it at about 6 k
I dove down, shot him, (got kill) but compressed and augured..
I get a "you have crashed" "ssoinso" shot you down..
thing is.. the ONLY enemy plane in the ENTIRE SECTOR was the p51.. (that I shot down) and he didnt get the kill...
I was never near any other enemy other than the 51 let alone pinged or even shot at by anyone else..
??????????
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Originally posted by Snubby
ok, riddle me this..
I was flying high over a base and a single p51 was orbiting it at about 6 k
I dove down, shot him, (got kill) but compressed and augured..
I get a "you have crashed" "ssoinso" shot you down..
thing is.. the ONLY enemy plane in the ENTIRE SECTOR was the p51.. (that I shot down) and he didnt get the kill...
I was never near any other enemy other than the 51 let alone pinged or even shot at by anyone else..
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Proxy. There was someone near you, either in plane (even if on ground), GV, manned ack, parachute...
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Originally posted by Lusche
Proxy. There was someone near you, either in plane (even if on ground), GV, manned ack, parachute...
would have kinda been wierd place for a GV to be.. I was a good distance from the base before I augered..
as soon as I plugged the 51 the dar bar showed NO enemy in the sector..
thought you had to ping or at least be near someone to get a proxy..
BEST case scenario (unseen GV) would have been over 1.5k away.
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Originally posted by Snubby
would have kinda been wierd place for a GV to be.. I was a good distance from the base before I augered..
as soon as I plugged the 51 the dar bar showed NO enemy in the sector..
thought you had to ping or at least be near someone to get a proxy..
BEST case scenario (unseen GV) would have been over 1.5k away.
Just because you did't see any plane/GV it doesn't mean there wasn't any. Darbar doesn't show planes over 500ft - one plane may just have upped as you attacked the 51 and then was close enough while you were finally hitting the ground.
You can't be sure there wasn't anyone unless you have filmed it.
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Originally posted by Lusche
And as soon as the whole field gives you a legit "landing" people will start to say: ""So you slide off the field a few feet? C'mon, I mean grass is grass, just because I slide 5 ft further...."
Alternatively I would find logic to give a ditch if you wrecked your plane on the runway.
IMO a ditch should give a kill in all cases ,except if it's on your own field.