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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: Krusty on August 27, 2007, 12:32:11 AM
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Doesn't seem to be a de-facto bug report post on it, so I'll start one.
Several folks in other threads agree with me when I say the B-25s soak up too much damage without anything being destroyed. I unloaded most of a mossie's 20mms (just the 20mms) into a single B-25C and only got him as I ran out. I put many good solid bursts into various parts (enough to down 5 B-24s!) and he only exploded at the last second. Another pilot reported unloading everything from a n1k2 into one and not getting the kill until the very end of his ammo load.
I myself have taken dozens of 37mm hits with no damage. I took a good solid P-51 burst in my wing and only had 3 bullet holes to show for it.
I think there's something off with the damage levels on the B-25s. Not sure about C and H both, but C for sure.
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I think it's more probably a combination of luck (good or bad, depending on your perspective) or lag issues. There's been times I've put a solid second burst of Ma Deuce at convergence range into a Spit's wing and watched him fly off without a scratch, whereas a half-second or less is usually sufficient to clip a Spit (keep in mind I keep my convergence short at 200yds).
I haven't flown the 25H much, but so far the only thing I'VE flown off after taking sustained fire from from is auto ack. But that's been the story of my time in the MA this tour in general. :rolleyes:
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I don't think it was luck or lag. There was only myself and 1 formation of b-25s at 20k and nobody else within 15k. Lag was smooth, steady. I saw many solid bursts, not the least of which was 4+ hispano hits middle-of-the-wingtip. With all of the hispano rounds I landed, he didn't lose an aileron, a flap, an elevator, nothing.
Something might need tweaking. Keep in mind the hispano is one of the most lethal 20mm cannon rounds in the game.
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*Shrug* All I know is the Typhoon I ran into over the weekend on Uterus map had no trouble shredding my 25H.
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I guess it needs more testing
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I was in a A8 (With the 2x 20s and 2x 30s...) and it took all my cannon rounds to take down a set of C's. I only fired my cannons.
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Did you by chance get it on film?
My mossie example was unfilmed.
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I shot down a B25 with a long burst from all six 50s in a P51D. a couple of nights ago. My guunery is poor so it didn't seem like it took all that much. Don't recall if it was a C or H.
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That was me :aok (in the B25C). Other than in that instance, Ive found the B25 rather suseptable(sp?) to gunfire, at least from the ground. Ive had a 109G2 rip off my tail from about D400-D600, also. The experience in these cases were in the B25H, though.
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Shot down a trio of B25-Cs in one long burst in a mossie. Still had about 150 cannon rounds left.
My B25s, both types, lose engines and tail assemblies with ridiculous ease when attacked. Certainly not as tough as a Lanc or a B26.
Hoping for a Wellington some day. That should be about the toughest thing ever produced with wings.
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I flew around last night looking for B25's to kill, just so I could pay attention to how much damage they could take vs the F4U-1A.
The first one I came across was higher than me, but just slightly. I pulled a major no-no and approached from the dead six position, co-alt, with a slight speed "advantage". He shot back, but only hit me with a slight ping before he popped. He didn't even break up, he just popped. Bullets all appeared to hit his tailgunner, so I thought that was odd.
I continued to hunt B25's and found then extremely vulnerable. Tails get cut off, engines catch fire, wings break off. It was terrible. They appear especially weak if you hit them from above shooting the rear portion of the fuselage between the stabilizer and the wings.
How much damage did they soak up? Not much. I know that on one hop I landed 13 kills with no re-arms, and six of those were B25's. One of them did put a little hole near my wingtip. All told, I would say I wasted more ammo on that hop missing fighters than I did killing B25's.
The corsairs do hold a lot of ammo, but even so...
Maybe the B25 isn't the issue? Rubber bullets maybe? Something else?
MtnMan
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Yes, going by some other posts, I begin to think it's a major rubber bullet issue, rather than plane-specific.
A couple of days before this mossie incident, I was in a -25C with the 8-pack nose. I hosed a spitfire very heavily right in the cockpit for a 1second+ burst (8 guns, no convergence) and nothing. I eventually got an assist. I put a very solid hit on the tailplanes/stabs of a typhoon, and only got an assist. I put 2-3 very solid hits into a P-51D before he eventually went down. At the time I figured the 50cals were just pathetic on the B-25.
Now I think it isn't plane-specific.
This rubber bullet stuff didn't happen to me before the patch. Others are reporting it as well. I don't know what's up. I'm trying out some settings changes on my home PC to figure it out, but it's slow going.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Yes, going by some other posts, I begin to think it's a major rubber bullet issue, rather than plane-specific.
A couple of days before this mossie incident, I was in a -25C with the 8-pack nose. I hosed a spitfire very heavily right in the cockpit for a 1second+ burst (8 guns, no convergence) and nothing. I eventually got an assist. I put a very solid hit on the tailplanes/stabs of a typhoon, and only got an assist. I put 2-3 very solid hits into a P-51D before he eventually went down. At the time I figured the 50cals were just pathetic on the B-25.
Now I think it isn't plane-specific.
This rubber bullet stuff didn't happen to me before the patch. Others are reporting it as well. I don't know what's up. I'm trying out some settings changes on my home PC to figure it out, but it's slow going.
set the convergence on the 25, and the guns will act like a buzz saw.
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The guns probably DON'T converge, like the P-38 guns. That's what I meant, they were all centrally located, they were all hitting at the same time (as opposed to a P-47 where you might have 1 wing hit, the other wing miss)
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i was flying in the 8player mode about maybe a week ago (before it was closed indefinitly) and was being chased by both a hurricaneIIc and an N1K2 and they both emptied atleast 500+ rounds in to my tail and i was able to continue flying with only 2 bullet holes in my winds:huh
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made a quick pass on one in a hellcat and his tail came right off. same with the wings. they come right off for me.
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Main gun in Panzer seems to kill B-25s ok.
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Originally posted by zilla
Main gun in Panzer seems to kill B-25s ok.
Also I can attest that the 25 is in no way invincible. A 190 chewed me up big time last night. Took a lot of bullets, yeah, but the 25 has always been described in books I've read as a tough plane.
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I've made three sorties in the B25 where auto ack took out my engine oils but nothing ese. I was able to make 3 to 6 passes before a FLAK or Tempest shot me down. One run it took the 6 passes through a full-up Large Airfield before my right wing crumbled.
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Seems there are a lot of folks experiencing this "super" B-25, and a lot of folks not experiencing it.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Seems there are a lot of folks experiencing this "super" B-25, and a lot of folks not experiencing it.
I'm on cable with 32ms pings to the servers, so I don't get ANY super anything. Seems like everyone else has lasers. Either that or I just plain suck.
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Only thing I can say is that the engines of the B25-H catch fire easily. A single ping from ack is enough to light the fire.
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The gun positions are VERY weak. It takes very little to kill the gunner.
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Hi Krusty,
I have noticed an apparent rubber bullet problem as well, after the release of 2.11. Not specific to one plane though. It has been happening with a variety of planes and it doesn't seem to be a constant either. Sometimes it seems to happen; sometimes it doesn't.
For instance, I unloaded on a C-47 at 300D from its six in straight and level flight with an La-7 after I had BnZ'ed it without results. Eventually it simply blew up but without any damage indications that it had been previously hit until it eventually just exploded... and it took waaay too many rounds to knock it down.
TIGERESS
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Did you get it on film? I haven't been flying enough to get anything on film again. If we can get it on film, send it to HTC, they can open it up and check the hidden code and see what's going on.
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i also ran into the same problem too, i was in a spit 16 against a b25 h model and i was closer than a 100 feet to this guy, i ended up using all my ammo into him and nothing happened:huh
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I wish I had one of these super 25's. Mine light up like a christmas tree when the first round hits no matter what size it is
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b25H's blow up just fine.....
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i was able to get it on tape but when i go to watch it, its just a huge black screen that has what people are saying and nothing else, not exactly the best film