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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chairboy on August 27, 2007, 08:36:58 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294705,00.html
He resigned on Friday, apparently, and it's being announced today. I think this guy has had a net negative effect on our rights, so I'm not shedding any tears here. I'm curious to see how the resignation is pun. Is it because he wants to spend more time w/ Karl Rove's family?
There have been a lot of high profile resignations in the white house lately. Some, I'm sure, are to free up folks for the election, but others...
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and there was much rejoicing.
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Gonzales just released a statement:
I may have resigned; I don't remember.
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ya resignations are sooo scandals’ I can't believe so many resigned from the presidency of........................... ............................
Bill clinton,
Just in case anyone forgot:
Secretary of State: Warren Christopher [reason: tired, ineffective]
Secretary of the Treasury: Lloyd Bentsen [old], Robert Rubin
Secretary of Defense: Les Aspin [disgraced. see ‘Blackhawk Down’], William Perry
Secretary of Agriculture: Mike Espy [scandal]
Secretary of Commerce: Ronald H. Brown, Mickey Kantor, William M. Daley
Secretary of Labor: Robert Reich [disagreed with his boss]
Secretary of Housing and urban Development: Henry G. Cisneros [scandal]
Secretary of Transportation: Federico F. Pena
Secretary of Energy: Hazel R. O’Leary [scandal], Frederico F. Pena
Secretary of Veterans’ Affairs: Jesse Brown
Resignations in pres, last term are as come as lying politicians....
No news here move along....
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Yep clinton and bush are exactly the same, thanks for pointing that out.
shamus
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Only 4 posts to the Clinton "yea-but" excuse. Well done!
I loved the Daily Show series called "Daddy, why is the lying man in charge of the law?"
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Only 4 posts to the Clinton "yea-but" excuse. Well done!
I loved the Daily Show series called "Daddy, why is the lying man in charge
of the law?"
Yes your right I should ignore history and jump up and down stamping my feet for his impeachment...OHHH bad Bush everyone hates him we must leave his cabinet....
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A little more history,
it's a bit dated but it makes the point.
http://www.danzfamily.com/archives/2004/11/bush_cabinet_re.php
On Monday, four of President Bush's cabinet secretaries resigned, bringing to six the total number of cabinet members to resign since his re-election and to just eight the total number who have resigned from Bush's original 2001 cabinet. Some of the media have covered the resignations correctly as being no big deal, par for the course and representative of far less turnover than prior two-term administrations.
Bush
TOTAL = 23 people (15 positions)
Clinton
TOTOAL = 30 people (14 positions)
Reagan
TOTAL = 33 people (13 positions)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1294075/posts
President Yearly Turnover
Bush 33%
Clinton 26%
G. H. W. Bush 38%
Reagan 32%
Carter 40%
Ford 64%
Nixon 52%
Johnson 36%
Kennedy 65%
Eisenhower 26%
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Originally posted by JBA
Bush
TOTAL = 23 people (15 positions)
Clinton
TOTOAL = 30 people (14 positions)
Reagan
TOTAL = 33 people (13 positions)
Bush supposed to be best president in recent history (according to some of you). Your stats show that he's as bad as previous presidential failures when it comes to cabinet resignations. In many other areas he's worse.
The only thing he's good at is spending of our money, therefore defending this chimp with "others did it too" is rather pathetic.
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I never tried to defend this dummass. Just don't start threads with OHHH another resignations he's sooo bad. It's been this way for 50 years.
President Yearly Turnover
Bush 33%
Clinton 26%
G. H. W. Bush 38%
Reagan 32%
Carter 40%
Ford 64%
Nixon 52%
Johnson 36%
Kennedy 65%
Eisenhower 26%
and then the usual MT flyby, with the quick smirk, and a smartass comment, "well-done" like he's patting you on the head, then he’s off to do his MP duties and never to return. So old and so tiring. YAWN
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non breaking news........attorney general Reno accepts full responsibility for the massacre at Waco, she does not resign.
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Maybe you should try doing something besides the knee-jerk poor GWB is sooo innocent cause look at Clinton crap and maybe even look at the facts of the situation.
Do you really think Gonzalez has done a good job as AG? Have you listened to the testimony he was giving Senators? Put down the kool aid little one and maybe this can be a learning experience.
MP?? That is funny.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Put down the kool aid little one
"little one"? is that supposed to be a insult?
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it's like hippies that got stuck in the 60's...some of them just got stuck in the clinton witch trials.
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Originally posted by JB88
it's like hippies that got stuck in the 60's...some of them just got stuck in the clinton witch trials.
as opposed to the bush witch trials for the last seven years starting with, " the supreme court gave bush the election".
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Keeping Gonzales around for as long as he did was a brilliant move by Bush and the Republican party. As a result, the Democrats were so fixated on have investigation after investigation, hearing after hearing, that they never found time to raise our taxes, legalize gay marriage, or pull the rug out from under our troops. The only thing they managed to do is raise the minimum wage (by attaching it to another peice of legislation) and rename a bunch of post offices. I'm telling you, this was brilliant.:aok
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first Rove and now Gonzalez.. like rats from a sinking ship.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedy_Gonzales
"Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba!"
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Originally posted by jhookt
first Rove and now Gonzalez.. like rats from a sinking ship.
I smell another blanket pardon coming down the tracks.
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is it just me or is yeager in rare form today?
:confused:
(someone got some nooooookie. someone got some noooooookie..)
:cool:
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Originally posted by rpm
I smell another blanket pardon coming down the tracks.
yup.
hopefully they have a conscience to hold them accountable.
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(checks forecast for hell...nope. still hot)
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Good riddance to them all.
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Another one bites the dust..
After all the lies and scandals this guy has put on the American people. Yet he never resigned then, I wonder what was cooking to make him finally resign.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe you should try doing something besides the knee-jerk poor GWB is sooo innocent cause look at Clinton crap and maybe even look at the facts of the situation.
Do you really think Gonzalez has done a good job as AG? Have you listened to the testimony he was giving Senators? Put down the kool aid little one and maybe this can be a learning experience.
MP?? That is funny.
It's all they have.. they know what this admin and it's henchmen have done is wrong. However they can't openly say it so instead it's easier to blame someone else.
How about some Alberto Classics..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBvZlRqOTw
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I find it very sad that Gonzales did have his name dragged through the mud.
It just shows you how a standard thing that happens in all administrations can be portrayed to be similar to killing kittens and baby seals very easily.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I find it very sad that Gonzales did have his name dragged through the mud.
It just shows you how a standard thing that happens in all administrations can be portrayed to be similar to killing kittens and baby seals very easily.
I find it very sad that the American flag and our Constitution has been drug through the mud by this administration.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Put down the kool aid little one and maybe this can be a learning experience.
proving my point once again, condescending.......
I for one am not your little one, I'm at least your age, and as well educated.
my knee jerk reaction? I posted that resignations are common, I use the most recent two-term president to show how common, and your knee is in your mouth once again,
Ohh don't use Clinton,,
how about I use these presidents to show the trend?
President Yearly Turnover
Bush 33%
Clinton 26%
G. H. W. Bush 38%
Reagan 32%
Carter 40%
Ford 64%
Nixon 52%
Johnson 36%
Kennedy 65%
Eisenhower 26%
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so clinton and eisenhower are tied for the least amount of turnover in their administrations? am i reading that right?
:confused:
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Originally posted by crockett
I find it very sad that the American flag and our Constitution has been drug through the mud by this administration.
can you point me to the court case that has challenged the patriot act. Or any other decision that has been challenged in court were an individuals civil rights have been violated? I must have missed that news day.
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Originally posted by JB88
so clinton and eisenhower are tied for the least amount of turnover in their administrations? am i reading that right?
:confused:
Yes with an avg. of 41.2% for the ten of them.
So nearly half the cabinet members resign from each of the past ten presidencies.
I'm suppose to get all worked up over some dolt who can't do his job. There are bums at every job. Low and behold some of them work for the govt. :O
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statistically less dolts in the clinton and eisenhower administrations...am i correct?
:confused:
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I really hate to point this out to you, but the entire cabinet resigns at the end of each term. It is the President's perrogative to accept the resignations. Yer numbers are junk.
What you need to look at are the midterm resignations.
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Unless Gonzales had us all goose stepping in unison, he is still better than Janet Reno. She had to be the worst AG, by far...
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Originally posted by JB88
statistically less dolts in the clinton and eisenhower administrations...am i correct?
:confused:
it's possible that between the lame stream media and the barking dog senators that more Republican admin members resign under pressure, were other cabinet members don't have said pressure applied.
i.e. Trent Lot "hay Thurm you old timer you would have made a good pres"
Dems, press,,,”,burn him at the stake!!! He must step down from all positions”
Robert Byrd, former KKK member...
Dems, Press,,,,what a great senator he is boy I like him, he should have been president.
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Let's not get off subject let's rejoyce and remember the good times..
Thanks for all the fine memories Alberto, even though you don't recall any of them.
Alberto leaves us with such great hits as
We don't need no Habeas Corpus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIFqYVAOosM
I can't recall, can you ask me tomorrow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBvZlRqOTw
Lier, Lier my pants are on fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArwXQFMF9qI
Iglesias's "America"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKGl2htrZgc
You can get all these great hits and many more for only 59.85* in three easy to pay installments of only $19.95 each.
*shipping prices are not included
*loss of constitutional rights may or may not be upheld
*failure to pay may result in temporary detainment
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Originally posted by crockett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBvZlRqOTw
Potheads have better memory than this guy.
There definitely is something fishy about the rats flooding from the ship at this point in time (I'll start that time period with Rumsfeld). I suppose that's their standard of staying the course.
I don't recall when our country hasn't been run by scheissters.
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so are you arguing that the republicans have a statistical lock on the bigot and hate club market and that they are thusly more likely to be forced to resign?
:confused:
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I think sabre hit it on the head...
This is one great non event that I am glad the impotent democrats spent so much time and fake indignation on.
Let em pick over old gonzales bones so that they won't have time to screw with us.
Truth is... I doubt that even 1% of Americans (or anyone else) cared about this whole sideshow.
I am just glad they didn't spend the time and energy on global warming or making us wear firesuits in our cars or raising taxes on "the rich" (anyone not getting welfare).
lazs
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'The constitution doesn't give the right of Habeas Corpus, it just says it can't be taken away'
Shows you what they focus on and how they care about the American people. Stay tuned for more of this from Hillary too.
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Originally posted by JB88
so are you arguing that the republicans have a statistical lock on the bigot and hate club market and that they are thusly more likely to be forced to resign?
:confused:
Well thats a good strawman argument,,,but I'll bite anyway....
The bigotry gene runs wild throughout the govt, it just goes under reported when it's a dem. Lets not forget how well the media funds dems. Of 143 journalist, 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. But their not bias, just ask MT.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/
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(http://www.tcnj.edu/~reuther2/godzilla.jpg)
When did he resign?
:O
Mac
"Must save Tokyo at all cost!!!"
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Originally posted by Delirium
Unless Gonzales had us all goose stepping in unison, he is still better than Janet Reno. She had to be the worst AG, by far...
and I salute his service to this country.
I do not see how anyone would want to put themselves in such a position anymore as they are not appreciated and get nothing but political hack ridicule for anything they do.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
Potheads have better memory than this guy.
There definitely is something fishy about the rats flooding from the ship at this point in time (I'll start that time period with Rumsfeld). I suppose that's their standard of staying the course.
I don't recall when our country hasn't been run by scheissters.
You sir are supporting terrorism with that remark!!!
Do you not remember what Alberto said about pot heads! Pot support terrorists. Take the reefer blinders off!!!
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Originally posted by JBA
ya resignations are sooo scandals’ I can't believe so many resigned from the presidency of........................... ............................
Bill clinton,
Now if we can just get another 16 straight years of this......
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Originally posted by crockett
It's all they have.. they know what this admin and it's henchmen have done is wrong.
owww, crackett said "henchmen", everyone knows "henchmen" are bad mens. owwww.:O
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Originally posted by Eagler
I do not see how anyone would want to put themselves in such a position anymore as they are not appreciated and get nothing but political hack ridicule for anything they do.
For starters, there's the multi-million dollar contracts as a consultant to businesses and "think tanks" he'll get as soon as he's out of office.
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Everytime I'm in MA I "Think Tanks", "Consult" with my Squadies and I still pay the $14.95... where's the $$$$?
Mac
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now just imagine if hillary were to be elected then re-elected....can you imagine the debauchery we would have to endure :cry
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Originally posted by crockett
You sir are supporting terrorism with that remark!!!
Do you not remember what Alberto said about pot heads! Pot support terrorists. Take the reefer blinders off!!!
Does Gonzales remember what he said about potheads?
I really hope you're joking with that. I'm not condoning anything, but the assertion made by the government that marijuana supports terrorism is just one more example of this administration's (and other's in the past) lunacy.
And, no, I'm not a pothead.
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Ahhh the old days "Daze".
History of Marijuana & Cannabis Timeline
courtesy erowid.org
6000 B.C. Cannabis seeds used for food in China
4000 B.C. Textiles made of hemp are used in China. (Pharmacotheon)
2727 B.C. First recorded use of cannabis as medicine in Chinese pharmacopoeia. In every part of the world humankind has used cannabis for a wide variety of health problems.
1500 B.C. Cannabis cultivated in China for food and fiber
1500 B.C. Scythians cultivate cannabis and use it to weave fine hemp cloth. (Sumach 1975)
1200-800 B.C. Cannabis is mentioned in the Hindu sacred text Atharvaveda (Science of Charms) as "Sacred Grass", one of the five sacred plants of India. It is used by medicinally and ritually as an offering to Shiva.
700-600 B.C. The Zoroastrian Zend-Avesta, an ancient Persian religious text of several hundred volumes, and said to have been written by Zarathustra (Zoroaster), refers to bhang as Zoroaster's "good narcotic" (Vendidad or The Law Against Demons)
700-300 B.C. Scythian tribes leave Cannabis seeds as offerings in royal tombs.
500 B.C. Scythian couple die and are buried with two small tents covering censers. Attached to one tent stick was a decorated leather pouch containing wild Cannabis seeds. This closely matches the stories told by Herodotus. The gravesite, discovered in the late 1940s, was in Pazryk, northwest of the Tien Shan Mountains in modern-day Khazakstan.
500 B.C. Hemp is introduced into Northern Europe by the Scythians. An urn containing leaves and seeds of the Cannabis plant, unearthed near Berlin, is dated to about this time.
500-100 B.C. Hemp spreads throughout northern Europe.
430 B.C. Herodotus reports on both ritual and recreation use of Cannabis by the Scythians (Herodotus The Histories 430 B.C. trans. G. Rawlinson).
100 B.C.-0 The psychotropic properties of Cannabis are mentioned in the newly compiled herbal Pen Ts'ao Ching which is attributed to an emperor c. 2700 B.C.
0-100 A.D. Construction of Samartian gold and glass paste stash box for storing hashish, coriander, or salt, buried in Siberian tomb.
~continue~
Naw you just read it...
History of Marijuana.... heh hold this.. (http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/history-of-marijuana.htm)
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What???
They didn't mention the spraying of Paraquat on Mexican fields?
Conspiritors!!!!
The Tax Stamp?
The unlawful imprisionment of Tommy Chong?
Bastages!!!
:(
Mac
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Originally posted by Yeager
now just imagine if hillary were to be elected then re-elected....can you imagine the debauchery we would have to endure :cry
And if that happens her minions will just have to say "but Bush did this too" and any behavior will be acceptable.
I just know all the current Bushies using that logic on this board will line up and publicly give her a pass.
shamus
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Well, it's a problem no matter which choice these people take. They did nothing wrong, but are causing so many problems just by being there. Should they decide to resign, it automatically infers guilt in some people's minds.
However, they should know that these scandals had nothing to do with them, but with Bush. The next person in will get hounded for any perceived wrong they might have committed.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Well, it's a problem no matter which choice these people take. They did nothing wrong, but are causing so many problems just by being there. Should they decide to resign, it automatically infers guilt in some people's minds.
However, they should know that these scandals had nothing to do with them, but with Bush. The next person in will get hounded for any perceived wrong they might have committed.
lol that's some funny stuff.. I guess it's always "really" family issues right?
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Originally posted by rpm
I smell another blanket pardon coming down the tracks.
Wanna wager whether Clinton has more stinky pardons than will Bush?
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the one thing I have learned about american politics is that there is no difference eithically between any american political power. Its the same smelly sock regardless of what foot is is on.
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This place bores me to tears.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Wanna wager whether Clinton has more stinky pardons than will Bush?
We had a topic on this very subject and I think I pretty well proved that Bush jr and Sr pardoned guys for the very same things that Clinton did.
Not to excuse either, but it really is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Samething as all the right wingers bashing Clinton saying he cut and ran after the whole Mogadishu issue (aka Blackhawk Down). Well big news Regan cut and ran after the Marine barricks bombings in Beirut.
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Originally posted by crockett
We had a topic on this very subject and I think I pretty well proved that Bush jr and Sr pardoned guys for the very same things that Clinton did.
They may have, I have not found a full list for GHWB or jr. but here are Clinton's
http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
List_of_people_pardoned_by_a_ United_States_president
The following list of people pardoned by a United States president documents the most prominent cases of each presidency.
Approximately 20,000 pardons and clemencies were issued by U.S. presidents in the 20th century alone. This list includes pardons and commutations.[1]
Bill Clinton
Roger Clinton, Jr. - brother of Bill Clinton. After serving a year in federal prison for cocaine possession.
Patricia Campbell Hearst - sentence commuted on condition by Jimmy Carter, pardoned by Clinton.
Marc Rich - had fled the U.S. (with business partner Pincus Green) after being indicted by U.S. Attorney on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran during the Iran hostage crisis.
Dan Rostenkowski - United States Representative Democratic Party.
Susan McDougal - partners with Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton in the failed Whitewater deal.
Henry Cisneros - Clinton's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of lying to the FBI, and was fined $10,000.
Pincus Green - had fled the U.S. (with business partner Marc Rich) after being indicted by U.S. Attorney on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran during the Iran hostage crisis.
Mel Reynolds - Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives.
George H.W. Bush
Elliott Abrams - Iran-Contra affair
Armand Hammer - CEO of the Occidental Petroleum Company, Bad Nixon campaign contribution
Robert C. McFarlane - National Security Advisor to President Ronald Reagan over Iran-Contra Affair
Caspar Weinberger - Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan, pardoned before trial over Iran-Contra Affair
Ronald Reagan
George Steinbrenner - Bad Nixon campaign contribution
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe you should try doing something besides the knee-jerk poor GWB is sooo innocent cause look at Clinton crap and maybe even look at the facts of the situation.
Do you really think Gonzalez has done a good job as AG? Have you listened to the testimony he was giving Senators? Put down the kool aid little one and maybe this can be a learning experience.
MP?? That is funny.
Gonalez was an ineffectual AG, and it is good that he is gone (would have been better he nor Harriet Myers not had been in administration to begin with) Does it matter WHO is AG? no. About the time our next pres is inaugurated, his replacement AG will finish the Senate hearings, and it won't matter who THAT is either (hearing rumblings about Chertoff...putz) Does THAT make ya happy? Won't make Henry Waxman happy...though no crime in the US Attorney firings has been found or even alleged, 18 months remain for him to have hearings!
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Originally posted by JBA
They may have, I have not found a full list for GHWB or jr. but here are Clinton's
There were many more Pardfons for both.. you have to look them up by the president name if you are looking on wikipedia
Bush Sr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_H._W._Bush
Clinton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
Bush Jr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush
I will agree that Clinton had the most, and I thought what he did his last week was a major black mark on his presidency. The deal is both of the Bush's have pardoned people for some of the exact same things Clinton pardoned people for, Clinton just did more of them. (however Bush Sr only had 4 years to Clinton's 8 and Bush Jr isn't done yet.)
Also, one I found that was very interesting was the pardon of Marc Rich by Clinton. His pardon was suggested by none other that Scooter Libby, which is fairly ironic.
Really this isn't the topic for that subject, but I just figured I'd point you in the right place to find the info.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Gonalez was an ineffectual AG, and it is good that he is gone (would have been better he nor Harriet Myers not had been in administration to begin with) Does it matter WHO is AG? no. About the time our next pres is inaugurated, his replacement AG will finish the Senate hearings, and it won't matter who THAT is either (hearing rumblings about Chertoff...putz) Does THAT make ya happy? Won't make Henry Waxman happy...though no crime in the US Attorney firings has been found or even alleged, 18 months remain for him to have hearings!
Gonzales' ineffectiveness can only be attributed to the ramblings of the incoherent democratic party. What they did was akin to freaking out that Gonzales consumed Dihydrogen Monoxide. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
They took a common occurance, and by portraying it in a certain way, made it seem evil. When in effect, all Gonzales was doing was drinking water.
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Then why didn't he remember that he was drinking water?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
They took a common occurance, and by portraying it in a certain way, made it seem evil.
that is all the dems have done since nov 06 - witch hunt in preperation of Nov 08
sad part is the average joe is dumb enough to fall for it as they never take the time to investigate anything themselves because it is easier/faster to swallow the liberal media taking heads spoon fed agenda before they flip over to the next "reality" tv show..
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uh huh.
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So if the nations lawyer.. the guy tasked with enforcing the laws of our land...decides to fire some attorneys because they were prosecuting people from the wrong political party...or not prosecuting people from the other party...its OK with you?
daaayum.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So if the nations lawyer.. the guy tasked with enforcing the laws of our land...decides to fire some attorneys because they were prosecuting people from the wrong political party...or not prosecuting people from the other party...its OK with you?
daaayum.
prove it
if it were true, he'd be behind bars .. just another dumbarsecrat witch hunt .. no wonder record low approval ratings for nancy and her bunch of terds LOL
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Originally posted by midnight Target
So if the nations lawyer.. the guy tasked with enforcing the laws of our land...decides to fire some attorneys because they were prosecuting people from the wrong political party...or not prosecuting people from the other party...its OK with you?
daaayum.
Perfect example. This is what you believe actually happened.
When the reality is that those attorneys work solely at the discretion of the AG. He could hire a bunch of oompa-loompas if he wanted. Or fire all those with the middle name of mike.
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You didn't answer the question. Typical dodge.
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Originally posted by Eagler
prove it
Kinda hard to do without an investigation... er witchhunt(TM).
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Oh, I answered you perfectly, I just didn't type out HERE IS MY ANSWER.
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i'm just glad they are leaving, this administration has over stayed its welcome and personally i believe they have overstepped their bounds.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Gonzales' ineffectiveness can only be attributed to the ramblings of the incoherent democratic party. What they did was akin to freaking out that Gonzales consumed Dihydrogen Monoxide. http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
They took a common occurance, and by portraying it in a certain way, made it seem evil. When in effect, all Gonzales was doing was drinking water.
So now the fact that he either lied to congress or he actually can't remember anything is now the Democrats fault.
:lol
I'm waiting for the Iraq invasion to be blamed on the Democrats.. I'm sure in a few years the Right wingers will start blaming that one the Dem's as well.
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Originally posted by crockett
I'm waiting for the Iraq invasion to be blamed on the Democrats.. I'm sure in a few years the Right wingers will start blaming that one the Dem's as well.
except a few, they all voted for it didn't they? they were for it back in the 90's.. Bush's fault too I guess.
that's right, they were for the war before they were against it .. meaning .. before the media turned it into an anti administration theme as our men and women started dying, injured or maimed for life
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i liked truman's philosophy.
"the buck stops here."
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Originally posted by JB88
i liked truman's philosophy.
"the buck stops here."
yeah, good work truman you gave away half of Europe to Stalin and the korean war never ended, it's still under a "cease fire".
democratic war plan, "fight to lose".
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Originally posted by crockett
So now the fact that he either lied to congress or he actually can't remember anything is now the Democrats fault.
:lol
I'm waiting for the Iraq invasion to be blamed on the Democrats.. I'm sure in a few years the Right wingers will start blaming that one the Dem's as well.
If you put any value in any Fishing for Perjury charges, then you're beyond my help.
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Gonzales must have studied the hillary whitewater transcripts, 'i can't recall" and "i don't remember". :lol
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fast forward john.
we are in a new century now.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you put any value in any Fishing for Perjury charges, then you're beyond my help.
So you think it's ok to lie under oath?
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Originally posted by JB88
i liked truman's philosophy.
"the buck stops here."
The Bush admin's philosophy is..
The Buck stops over there ------->
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Originally posted by crockett
So you think it's ok to lie under oath?
Fishing for Perjury occurs when the investigator is researching the topic solely looking for discrepancies in answers given by those being investigated. The investigator KNOWS that no illegal action took place, yet he proceeds anyway. A discrepancy in the color of pants someone was wearing does not mean he lied under oath. Especially when the answers given were months even years apart.
This is what happened to Libby.
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While the argument can be made that Gonzalez was unsuited for the job of Attorney General, those who may be hoping that some sort of legal charges against him might be filed are going to be disappointed.
Legal proceedings would involve his critics in proving their accusations. That would be very problematic for them.
Perhaps the most disturbing thing about this brouhaha is that, once again, a zealous investigator can come up with "conflicting testimony" from a man who is being forced to remember and defend statements made over a period of three or four years. Statements that are a small part of thousands of statements made to hundreds of different colleagues within a department of the government.
None of us could fully protect ourselves under such circumstances.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Fishing for Perjury occurs when the investigator is researching the topic solely looking for discrepancies in answers given by those being investigated. The investigator KNOWS that no illegal action took place, yet he proceeds anyway. A discrepancy in the color of pants someone was wearing does not mean he lied under oath. Especially when the answers given were months even years apart.
This is what happened to Libby.
so leaking classified information to the press isn't illegal?
and as far as Gonzalez goes, wrongful termination of employment is against the law. but i've never heard of being charged for fishing for perjury, IIRC Gonzalez was testifying for his involvment in the firings, i don't remember him getting charged for firing someone.
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Gonzalez is smarter than libby, libby tried to answer the questions and got some things wrong but Gonzalez used the clinton defense of "i don't recall".
:rofl
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Originally posted by john9001
Gonzalez is smarter than libby, libby tried to answer the questions and got some things wrong but Gonzalez used the clinton defense of "i don't recall".
:rofl
you mean the "reagan" defense of "i don't recall" right?
:confused:
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reagan was a delegator, he left the details to his underlings, so he may not have known all the details.
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that's bunk. if reagan didnt know what was going on with iran-contra, then he should have rolled some of his underlings heads once he learned of it...i highly doubt he didnt know.
still,better a "delegator" by far...than a "decider."
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This is Karl Rove politics coming back to bite the GOP......
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Originally posted by Stringer
This is Karl Rove politics coming back to bite the GOP......
It's nothing more then the growing rift between Democrats and Republicans. There will be a point where it all comes crashing down within the next 10 years. Americans can't go for too long without a revolution.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's nothing more then the growing rift between Democrats and Republicans. There will be a point where it all comes crashing down within the next 10 years. Americans can't go for too long without a revolution.
You righties are the only one's I ever hear say that. You guys really should do more thinking and quit playing with guns. You might shoot your self in the foot one day.
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Originally posted by Stringer
This is Karl Rove politics coming back to bite the GOP......
Ok...how are Karl Rove and (the late) Lee Atwater different from James Carville and Paul Begala? All were the best at what they do, yet Rove and Atwater were damned by the media, whereas Carville and Begala were HIRED by the same media....aside from their political points of view, how are these guys different?
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they didn't stay on as whitehouse staff. rove went beyond strategist and into policy making. different animal.
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Originally posted by crockett
You righties are the only one's I ever hear say that. You guys really should do more thinking and quit playing with guns. You might shoot your self in the foot one day.
You lefties stop trying to pull bull**** like you did with Gonzales or foist socialism on us and we wouldn't be considering it.
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and don't even get me started on those pansy middle of the road, fence-sitting reason-preaching moderates!!!!
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so crocket... You don't believe in the right to keep and bear arms?
lazs
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Oh for crying out loud.... is there nothing you can't twist into a gun thread?
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Originally posted by jhookt
and as far as Gonzalez goes, wrongful termination of employment is against the law. .
US Attorney's serve at the pleasure of the president. There is no contract, there is no nderstood timeframe of appointment. You serve until the President decides he wants to replace you. And he can do so for any or absolutely no reason whatsoever and guess what... that is NOT wrongful termination.
In the State of South Carolina (I know the laws here from a recent HR meeting) I can fire you for any reason I feel like with the exception of "discrimination based of race, sex, gender, ethnicity, or disability".
You wear a Cowboys hat and the boss is a Redskins fan, he can fire you if he feels like it and there is not a single thing you can do about it.
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So it is perfectly OK with all of you to fire attorneys who are doing a good job but prosecuting people from the wrong political party? I keep hearing how it wasn't illegal, I'm not sure of the law in this case, but it is most certainly wrong.
This guy says it much better...
Washington University Law professor Sam Buell worked as a federal prosecutor for 10 years and prosecuted the Enron case. He says the administration has the right to fire U.S. attorneys at any time for any reason, but this scandal risks doing long-term damage to prosecutors' reputation for independence.
"They need to be able to say to judges, to juries, to the public, 'We follow the evidence where it leads us. We apply the law. Our decisions are not political,'" Buell said. "And that makes them more effective. So while the administration might gain something politically from doing this, it loses something in terms of its ability to accomplish the Department of Justice's mission."
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Originally posted by jhookt
so leaking classified information to the press isn't illegal?
for the record,
for one he didn't leak the information, it was Richard Armitage
second Plame was not out of the country for five or more years or working undercover in a foreign land which makes her a nobody not a COVERT
operative.
next?
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So I guess this is why he likely stepped down..
He was about to be investigated again..too bad for him stepping down isn't going to stop it.. :)
forum screws up the link.. copy and paste.. (delete the space in the url.. forum keeps adding a space @ /gonzales
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070830/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gonzales_investigation;_ylt=AsPbur6I0APhcnaWWy21Days0NUE
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They are investigating in hopes of finding a crime---if they haven't found one yet, it's not likely they're going to
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Originally posted by bj229r
They are investigating in hopes of finding a crime---if they haven't found one yet, it's not likely they're going to
They are investigating to see if he lied while under oath and if he violated federal law by hiring and firing DOJ's with politics as the reason. Seems to be enough people claiming this was a factor. So I'm sure you can understand the need to hold our laws in reguards to our justice system to high standards.
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....and if he violated federal law by hiring and firing DOJ's with politics as the reason. Seems to be enough people claiming this was a factor.....
It's been MONTHS, and all the media and all the king's men haven't found ONE case where the firing of a DA was instrumental in squashing a Bush ally's troubles. All the Daily Kos crowd, ALL the Media Matters crowd, ALL the Democratic Underground crowd, and the many others, have found squat---if politics was the reason, one of the eight fired lawyers certainly would have provided the evidence, and we'd be reading about it in the New York Times every day, as well as hearing about it via Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, perky Katie Couric, ad nauseum. THOSE are the Seems to be enough people claiming this was a factor folks...and all they really have is the incompetence of Gonzales in front of a microphone....if that makes em happy, go for it