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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: john9001 on August 27, 2007, 11:47:07 AM
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in a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black the dysfunctional democratic controlled US congress calls the new Iraq govt "all messed up".
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070827/ts_afp/usiraqpolitics_070827043733
I agree. Our Congress has no business telling any other government body that they need to set their personal differences aside and get things accomplished .
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That's kind of like Iran telling someone to take their religious zealotry down a notch.
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Well of course the will tell the Iraqi Government how to act. Our Congress shall serve as the model. after all, they have an 18% approval rating. 18% MAN! why, thats almost as high as the presidents rating!:p
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:)
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Originally posted by Tiger
I agree. Our Congress has no business telling any other government body that they need to set their personal differences aside and get things accomplished .
Get things accomplished?!?!
That's the last thing we need. Getting things accomplished means passing legislation which means more laws which means fewer freedoms and more tax $$ going to special interests. If only they would bicker ceaselessly and never accomplish another thing.
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exactly how I feel about it samiam. The only good things they ever do is to undo what the ones before em did.
lazs
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By "getting things accomplished" I meant useful things such as fixing Border Security and our 'illegal immigrant problem'.
But I know real useful things like that would never happen. Especially when they can use their time to pass pork like this:
Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" and Mississippi's "Train to Nowhere."
$11,500,000 to fund Pan-STARRS to develop a large aperture telescope with the University of Hawaii to prevent space objects from colliding with Earth
$4,500,000 for chitosan bandage component which utilizes natural compounds found in shrimp heads
$1,300,000 for berry research
The patriotic-sounding bill is dubbed the "U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health, and Iraq Accountability Act," but the subtitle could be, "And Don't Forget Farmers, Shrimpers, NASA and Other Regulars at Uncle Sam's Buffet." The final version worked out to about $742 million a page.
It includes...
• $4 million for the Office of Women's Health at the Food and Drug Administration.
• $5 million for tropical fish breeders and transporters for losses from a virus last year.
• $283 million for the Milk Income Loss Contract Program.
$1.2 million to study the breeding habits of the woodchuck.
$150,000 to study the Hatfield-McCoy feud.
$1 million to study why people don't ride bikes to work.
$219,000 to teach college students how to watch television.
$3.1 million to convert a ferry boat into a crab restaurant in Baltimore.
$13 million to repair a privately owned dam in South Carolina.
$4.3 million for a privately owned museum in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.
$2.7 million for a catfish farm in Arkansas.
I could go on and on with examples.
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border security? we have 1,000 laws on border security and hiring of illegals now... we don't enforce em. What good will new laws that we don't enforce do?
enforce the laws we have now. Arrest all the employers and the problem goes away.
lazs
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Just an FYI,
Endless congressional bickering (not much different from what we have now) means no passage of federal budget. That means the country comes to a stop here. I too am ashamed at the "quality" of our congress and senate but I do know that they still HAVE to pass some things in order for us to be able to do anything.
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well.... let's just have em do nothing and fund nothing for a little while and see how we do without em.. but... if they don't pass a budget on time then we should pay no income tax that year.
lazs
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Originally posted by FBBone
Well of course the will tell the Iraqi Government how to act. Our Congress shall serve as the model. after all, they have an 18% approval rating. 18% MAN! why, thats almost as high as the presidents rating!:p
PWN!
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Originally posted by FBBone
Well of course the will tell the Iraqi Government how to act. Our Congress shall serve as the model. after all, they have an 18% approval rating. 18% MAN! why, thats almost as high as the presidents rating!:p
depending on the poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm), the POTUS has almost DOUBLE approval rating over nancy and her boys
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Originally posted by Tiger
By "getting things accomplished" I meant useful things such as fixing Border Security and our 'illegal immigrant problem'.
But I know real useful things like that would never happen.
Watch the news more, because just this month alone..
The Democrat controlled Congress and Senate just gave our boarder patrol and extra $3 billion to put more boots on the ground. That's funding for our US/ Mexican Boarder, Bush apposed it but had to give in. (Bush said it was too much money, but the Dem's held tight and pushed it through)
That same Democratic Congress, also passed the funding to get all cargo ships scanned for nukes piror to entering the US. Same with all cargo aircraft.
The tough on terror Republicans couldn't be bothered to do the same the last 6 years that they controlled ther presidancy,senate and congress.
Illegal Immigration is an issue and I think both parties suck on it. However atleast the Dem's are working on this issue, but it's far from perfect. What did the Republicans do the last several years, when they could have passed anything they wanted? Simple answer allmost NOTHING.
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The sooner we get past the parties, the sooner we can get some real progress made.
They both suck! Get used to it.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just an FYI,
Endless congressional bickering (not much different from what we have now) means no passage of federal budget. That means the country comes to a stop here. I too am ashamed at the "quality" of our congress and senate but I do know that they still HAVE to pass some things in order for us to be able to do anything.
Why, pray tell, does the county come to a stop just because no federal budget gets passed? Does everybody in the country work for the federal government? If the bureaucrats don't show up for work, do we all not know what to do?
Here's what we have to suffer without (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/08/21/get-rid-of-the-national-weather-service/) if there were no budget. Don't know how we'd get by.
FTA:
Despite dire predictions from the National Hurricane Center, no hurricanes hit the U.S. last year. …private weather forecasting companies predicted the threat to New Orleans well before the National Weather Service. In fact, AccuWeather issued a forecast that the hurricane would hit New Orleans 12 hours earlier than the government service. …A new study by Forecast Watch, a company that keeps track of past forecasts, found that from Oct. 1, 2006, through June 30, 2007, the government’s National Weather Service did very poorly in predicting the probability of rain or snow. Comparing the National Weather Service to The Weather Channel, CustomWeather, and DTN Meteorlogix, Forecast Watch found that the government’s next-day forecast had a 21 percent greater error rate between predicted probability of precipitation and the rate that precipitation actually occurred.
The National Weather Service is a small federal agency - only a $1Billion/yr waste.
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Samiam,
You really need to research how much federal money funds state and local programs that you use.
Just one minor part, the FAA including air traffic controllers. Think of other functions that the feds control. Immigrations, Customs the Coast Guard and other forms of the military. It's more than you think and the slow down will tricle down to the local level very quickly.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well.... let's just have em do nothing and fund nothing for a little while and see how we do without em.. but... if they don't pass a budget on time then we should pay no income tax that year.
lazs
Like you were gonna pay anyway lazs :p :rofl
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Originally posted by Maverick
Samiam,
You really need to research how much federal money funds state and local programs that you use.
Just one minor part, the FAA including air traffic controllers. Think of other functions that the feds control. Immigrations, Customs the Coast Guard and other forms of the military. It's more than you think and the slow down will tricle down to the local level very quickly.
I am VERY well aware of how much our bloated, overreaching federal government intrudes into every aspect of our lives. If only more people were more aware of how these tax dollars were used to bribe (that's my word for it) state and local legislators to bend to the will of the federal government.
Save for the military (which does not shut down during times when there is no federal budget in place), there are few functions of the Federal government that I find useful. Of those, there are few that couldn't be performed as a private service more effectively.
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Originally posted by Samiam
I am VERY well aware of how much our bloated, overreaching federal government intrudes into every aspect of our lives. If only more people were more aware of how these tax dollars were used to bribe (that's my word for it) state and local legislators to bend to the will of the federal government.
like when the feds told the states to make the max speed limit 55 MPH or the feds would cut off fed highway funding.
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well... I just heard where UPS is gonna use GPS to control their own air traffic and I bet it does a better job... the feds are adopting the system.
If I had to trust food for purity... I would go with a kosher seal before a government one.
I sent my grand daughter to school this week.... a catholic one.
Nope... can't think of anything other than the courts and the army that I need the government to do for me.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If I had to trust food for purity... I would go with a kosher seal before a government one.
hebrew national hot dogs, their motto, "we answer to a higher authority":D
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UL listing is another example of a private initiative serving the public interest in a far superior manner than the government ever could.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... I just heard where UPS is gonna use GPS to control their own air traffic and I bet it does a better job... the feds are adopting the system.
If I had to trust food for purity... I would go with a kosher seal before a government one.
I sent my grand daughter to school this week.... a catholic one.
Nope... can't think of anything other than the courts and the army that I need the government to do for me.
lazs
Fascinating..tell me, exactly what airspace does UPS control? There are a
few thousand other aircraft in the same airspace every day, not all of which
have GPS onboard.
Knowing where you are doesn't tell you where everyone else is.
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Rino,
His mind is made up. He has no clue as to how many thousand planes are up and how they have to be funneled and slotted for all activities. He also doesn't understand how all aircraft in a commercial aircraft airport are controlled on the ground. I suppose he would continue to go to work every day for 3 months without pay just because the budget got left behind.
Just like the guy that thinks everything will run if funding is not continued. I was in the Army at the time the budget was slipped from the fiscal year end of July to the end of September and saw how many things had to be canceled because there was no funding for travel and fuel alone much less ammo and other things that are bought by the feds from private sources.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
The sooner we get past the parties, the sooner we can get some real progress made.
They both suck! Get used to it.
Word.
How anyone can have a use for either party, I'll never know. After living through the Slick Willie / Bad Bush experience, both contemptuous party hacks and probably criminals, it seems people are tired of all these transparently phony do nothing losers. 42% of Democrats / 44% Republicans think electing an independent candidate would be "good for the country"... because, as stated so eloquently above, both partys suck.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287190,00.html
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Oh how I have longed for a third party to come to some power so that no one party has a clear cut majority. Then and only then we may be able to actually get something useful accomplished by our congressional members
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Originally posted by Tiger
Oh how I have longed for a third party to come to some power so that no one party has a clear cut majority. Then and only then we may be able to actually get something useful accomplished by our congressional members
within 2 major election cycles (< 10 years) the 3rd party would be as corrupt as the two we have today
term limits should be tried first as it should be an easier and faster solution - you break up the lifelong gangs in DC, fresh thought and accountability may return
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xmarine... I really do hope that a lot of democrats vote for an independent.
lazs
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Originally posted by Eagler
term limits should be tried first as it should be an easier and faster solution - you break up the lifelong gangs in DC, fresh thought and accountability may return
Term limits give you lame ducks.
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How about session limits?
Congress shall only be in session for three months a year. Everything that needs to be run through committee, debated, amended, voted upon, etc. has to happen in twelve weeks. And they all get bonus pay for every week early they adjourn.
Or
Each new term starts with a set number of "action points". Introducing a new bill costs some number of action points, as does attaching an amendment, proposing a measure, casting a vote, etc. At the end of the term, they have to publish a two page report summarizing how each action point was used and mail it to every household in their district.
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Term limits gets rid of professional politicians, the job was never meant to last for 35 years.