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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: KG45 on August 28, 2007, 08:36:02 PM
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you can't get from the B-26, Ju-88, A-20/Boston or even the Mossie or the 110? other than a 75mm gun.
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Nothing except it's service dates.
Apparently there was some need for an early war American medium bomber.
...and it looks cool.....
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It is already on its way to becoming a hanger queen...
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What does any plane offer that we don't already have? What does a Yak3 offer that you cant get from a spitfire? or a 109? or an la? That is kind of an immature question on your behalf.
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next time i'll be sure to run my questions by you first to be sure it meets the required maturity quotient.
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Meh, its like a 110 on crack, without the crack 0.o
It can laser other fighters out of the sky with its x8 .50's
Bombers can be torn apart from 1.5k
3k of bombs means if you pick 500's you can salvo 2 per load, and have a chance to bomb 3 gv's
Not to mention if you have the 75mm version, you can simply lob rounds into the field.
HAH, straff a enemy runway with it, and watch the kill count grow.
Very few planes can unleash the firepower the b25 can with just one pass.
That 75mm is REALY great when straffing planes trying to take off, never mind the bombers :P
Have fun, it is a great capability.
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Originally posted by KG45
you can't get from the B-26, Ju-88, A-20/Boston or even the Mossie or the 110? other than a 75mm gun.
You can't just dismiss the 75mm cannon. It sets the B-25H apart from everything else.
You can haul 3k in bombs. You can kill bomber formations at 1,500 yards. You can shred anything that winds up in front of you with 8, concentrated heavy machine guns. B-25s fly circles around the B-26, actually capable of giving some fighters a rough time, as the Mitchells have a fairly good turn rate initially. You can knock lightly armored vehicles at very long range, outside the range of their defensive fire. You can kill most tanks with a single hit at close range. It's reasonable to kill a dozen enemy vehicles without a reload.
Ju-88s carry a healthy bomb load, but are basically death traps. The Boston can maneuver quite well below 250 mph, but its four rifle caliber guns are extremely weak, and the bomb load is relatively small. A formation of B-26s can put out some deadly defensive fire, but it handles poorly and is rather slow up above 12k. Only the A-20 proves to be a match for the B-25s, being faster and more maneuverable. However, it's limited to 500 lb bombs and has far less offensive and defensive firepower as well as less endurance.
Prior to being released, I stated that the B-25H may end up as the main GV killer in the plane-set. It appears that it is well on its way to that status.
My regards,
Widewing
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It offers a filled slot in the well-known and important aircraft used in WW2 category.
There are a lot of airplanes left that need to be introduced into AH to complete that list.
We fill them one or two at a time.
Too bad HTC doesn't have 500 workers toiling day in and day out to get all the major aircraft of WW2 into the game. Of course, if they did, it'd probably be $300/month to play.......
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Originally posted by Toad
It offers a filled slot in the well-known and important aircraft used in WW2 category.
There are a lot of airplanes left that need to be introduced into AH to complete that list.
We fill them one or two at a time.
Too bad HTC doesn't have 500 workers toiling day in and day out to get all the major aircraft of WW2 into the game. Of course, if they did, it'd probably be $300/month to play.......
What did your Dad think of it Toad? Been curious about that and havn't seen a post about it.
Mark
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The B-25H is the only ship in the game that can not only single-handedly GUN DOWN a hangar, (in a manner that's actually practical) but can do it to MULTIPLES without a reload. One 25H can, in theory, knock out fighters at a small airfield, or vehicles at a vehicle base. Yes, you can say the same about a formation of B-24s or Lancs, which can bomb from high altitude with accuracy and are loaded with defensive guns plus the benefit of formations, but what do you do when ordinance is down at all the surrounding fields and you can't spawn in tanks?
The B-25C may not get much use outside the Early War or scenarios, but the H is going to be FAR from a hangar queen, especially if we get HVARs, torpedoes and the wing pylons.
I predict bomber hangars are going to become a primary target.
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I think it'll certainly affect the way base attacks are done. Normally you porke the ord at fields to prevent your GV's from getting egged. The 25h changes all that since you can still up one light and inflict significant casualties.
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It made Toad happy.
:aok
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I must say I would never allow a B-25 to get within 1.5 of my bombers. I wouldnt allow it to get 2k. Thats why I climb high within my radar coverage. I jumped 3 24s in a H with about 3,000' on them. The altitude I had on them gave me the energy to turn around and then chase them down, at which time I leisurely shot them down with cannon while friendly fighters gave me plenty of air to hang back in their "6".
Since then Ive been living in fear of getting caught by an H in my climb. Strange I haven't flown the C yet with drone cause I normally take out 26s for that kind of mission, or JUs. I think the H might only fill a niche but its going to be an interesting niche.
Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Meh, its like a 110 on crack, without the crack 0.o
It can laser other fighters out of the sky with its x8 .50's
Bombers can be torn apart from 1.5k
3k of bombs means if you pick 500's you can salvo 2 per load, and have a chance to bomb 3 gv's
Not to mention if you have the 75mm version, you can simply lob rounds into the field.
HAH, straff a enemy runway with it, and watch the kill count grow.
Very few planes can unleash the firepower the b25 can with just one pass.
That 75mm is REALY great when straffing planes trying to take off, never mind the bombers :P
Have fun, it is a great capability.
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Has anyone worked out what the 75's shot is equivalent to in lbs of bombs?
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
What did your Dad think of it Toad? Been curious about that and havn't seen a post about it.
Mark
Right when all the announcement was going on my Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer.
Quitch took a back seat to the medical hoopla.
She's had the surgery and the results were as good as you can hope for; tumor out and lymph nodes clear of cancer. So she'll start radiation soon and that should be that.
Now that the family is getting clear of that situation, I expect to sit down with him and really see what he thinks.
He was happy HTC added it but other events clearly overshadowed it.
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Been playing with the 25. It's a tad on the slow side, but very enjoyable and packs a punch. And graphically, - nice ;)
WTG HTC :aok
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Tiger,
If hangars are a benchmark:
It takes 3000lbs of bombs to drop a hangar with direct hits
It requires approximately 9 shells from the 75mm (less if you're firing the .50cal as well).
Works out to roughly 333lbs of bombs.
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Originally posted by Saxman
Tiger,
If hangars are a benchmark:
It takes 3000lbs of bombs to drop a hangar with direct hits
It requires approximately 9 shells from the 75mm (less if you're firing the .50cal as well).
Works out to roughly 333lbs of bombs.
That would make this 75mm more powerful than either the 75mm howitzer on the LVTA4 or the 75mm gun on a Panzer. I'd better check it offline, because the last time I gunned a hanger with a Panzer, it took a lot more then 9 HE rounds to do in a hanger.
EagleDNY
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
That would make this 75mm more powerful than either the 75mm howitzer on the LVTA4 or the 75mm gun on a Panzer. I'd better check it offline, because the last time I gunned a hanger with a Panzer, it took a lot more then 9 HE rounds to do in a hanger.
EagleDNY
Please do and be kind enough to let us know the results.
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Eagle,
Remember that tank rounds aren't hitting with the added energy of a 250-300mph attack dive. Also, it always seems to me that weapon damage seems overpowered offline.
My calculation is based on a strafing run I did my first trip up in a 25H. I'd put 8 rounds of HE into the hangar over several low-level passes, (I was firing the 75mm cannon only and not the nose .50s) then one of my squaddies in an F4U finished it off with .50cal on ONE pass. This was independently confirmed by another member of my squad who gunned down a hangar unassisted with 8 cannon shells aided by fire from his nose .50s.
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In testing offline the B-25H sank a destroyer in two passes with the second pass being slightly shorter. So did the Mosquito, but it had to make a full run on the second pass only breaking off at the last moment.
So it seems to me that the B-25H puts out a little more firepower on "objects" than does the Mosquito, and can sustain it longer.
The Bf110G-2 should put out a bit more as it puts out a lot more than the Mosquito.
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It takes 2600lbs to kill a hangar, not 3000.
Also, I'm not sure that kinetic energy means squat against ground objects, especially when considering HE shells. Really, the shells were "15 lb" shells. How much equivelant ord that is, I don't know.
I suspect they're a bit overmodeled, what with being a super tank killer that everyone has shown.
There's an easy solution to your kinetic energy problem: Land the plane! It's got tricycle gear! Just taxi around (at a safe distance) and try it when not moving!
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Originally posted by Krusty
It takes 2600lbs to kill a hangar, not 3000.
I've always heard/seen 3000 for a hangar. Please point me to this 2600 reference you refer to. I may have other incorrect data as well.
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It may simply come from the fact that most folks carry 1k bombs, and you need to drop 3 to kill a hangar. Practically, it takes 3k, but if you have 500lbers, you can drop 5 of them and still get the job done.
That used to be the case. I haven't done dedicated bomber missions in ages. I used to be all about the bombing of crap, not so much now.
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Originally posted by Toad
Right when all the announcement was going on my Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer.
Quitch took a back seat to the medical hoopla.
She's had the surgery and the results were as good as you can hope for; tumor out and lymph nodes clear of cancer. So she'll start radiation soon and that should be that.
Now that the family is getting clear of that situation, I expect to sit down with him and really see what he thinks.
He was happy HTC added it but other events clearly overshadowed it.
Glad things turned out well for your mom. I can certainly understand everything else taking a back seat to that.
Here's praying she continues to recover well and never has to face it again.
Mark
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Originally posted by Tiger
I've always heard/seen 3000 for a hangar. Please point me to this 2600 reference you refer to. I may have other incorrect data as well.
Go offline, then check arena settings. Our MA's all have the same "Default" setting. Just check "Options->Arena Setup->Objects->Object Settings" for exact lbs needed for each object.
You will find out that a Hangar needs 2.7813 x 1000lbs, which translates to 3 1000lbs bombs in game. Or 5 x 500lbs & a few rockets...
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Originally posted by Krusty
It may simply come from the fact that most folks carry 1k bombs, and you need to drop 3 to kill a hangar. Practically, it takes 3k, but if you have 500lbers, you can drop 5 of them and still get the job done.
That used to be the case. I haven't done dedicated bomber missions in ages. I used to be all about the bombing of crap, not so much now.
If I recall, they upgraded it to 3,000lb + two or three patches ago...
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Originally posted by Serenity
If I recall, they upgraded it to 3,000lb + two or three patches ago...
No. See my post above.
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Originally posted by Lusche
No. See my post above.
I saw your post but have you checked that recently, or is that something youre recalling from a past check?
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Originally posted by Serenity
I saw your post but have you checked that recently, or is that something youre recalling from a past check?
It's the current status.
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Originally posted by Lusche
It's the current status.
Alright. Thank you!
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It might say 2.7, but bomb blast radii reinforce each other, so that 2x 500lb bombs going off within each others' radius will equal a little more than 1000lbs of explosives.
I know I've taken FH down with 5x 500lbs before, and the hardness hasn't been changed in ages.