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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Krusty on August 29, 2007, 02:42:20 PM
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Latest patch lists:
"Fixed a bug in the B-26 that kept it from attaining full throttle at higher altitudes."
What the heck? What are we talking, here? This wasn't a high-alt bomber. I'm hoping we're talking only a little bit, and not some sweeping change.
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Sweeping change to what to a more historical 26 sounds good.
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Well, the question is "How much are they changing it?"
Obviously they modeled it (originally) off of historic data in the first place. It never was a high-alt bomber.
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Regardless if it wasn't a high altitude bomber, if there was an error that prevented it from operating at a speed it should be able to at higher alts then it is good it was fixed.
ack-ack
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Are we talking real life high alt. or AHII high alt?
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I agree it's good it gets fixed, but the question still remains: WHAT was fixed?!
We're talking "real life" high alt, btw.
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He's just upset that a AH2 bomber may have gained some speed :p
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Originally posted by Krusty
I agree it's good it gets fixed, but the question still remains: WHAT was fixed?!
We're talking "real life" high alt, btw.
From the patch notes: Fixed a bug in the B-26 that kept it from attaining full throttle at higher altitudes.
Pretty much explains itself.
ack-ack
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Specification of Martin B-26 Marauder
Powerplant: Two Pratt & Whitney R-2800-5 Double Wasp air cooled radial engines, rated at 1850 hp each.
Performance: Maximum speed 315 mph at 15,000 feet. Cruising speed 265 mph. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be attained in 12.5 minutes. Service ceiling 25,000 feet. Range was 1000 miles at 265 mph with a 3000-pound bombload.
Weights: 21,375 pounds empty, 32,025 pounds gross.
Dimensions: Wingspan 65 feet 0 inches, length 56 feet 0 inches, height 19 feet 10 inches, wing area 602 square feet.
Armament: One flexible 0.30-inch machine gun installed in the tip of a transparent nose cone and operated by the bombardier. Two 0.50-inch machine guns in a Martin-designed dorsal turret located behind the bomb bay just ahead of the tail. One 0.30-inch flexible machine gun was installed in a tunnel position in the lower rear fuselage. One flexible 0.50-inch machine installed in a tail position. The maximum bombload was 5800 pounds.
Glad they fixed it because I have never gotten a B-26 in the game to break 300MPH unless I had it in a dive.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Performance: Maximum speed 315 mph at 15,000 feet. Cruising speed 265 mph. An altitude of 15,000 feet could be attained in 12.5 minutes. Service ceiling 25,000 feet. Range was 1000 miles at 265 mph with a 3000-pound bombload.
The best I could get out of a B-26 at 15k was 28" MAP. This resulted in a speed of 258 mph. Climb at 15k at MIL power was a mere 200 feet per minute with 50% fuel. It was porked... Now it's fixed.
My regards,
Widewing
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Ack-Ack.... I posted that very line myself.
You're just not understanding me.
Never mind.
Edit: Thanks WW, Hornet.
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Just tested it off line and maintained better than 1200FPM climb rate up to 15K and achieved a top speed of 302MPH
This was with a 50% fuel load and 2000lbrs of ords. Took the 20 100lbrs.
Nice improvement. I've always liked the B-26 but never really flew it all that much in the MA's because the performance wasn't there.
I think I'll be flying it more now.:aok
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Just tested it off line and maintained better than 1200FPM climb rate up to 15K and achieved a top speed of 302MPH
This was with a 50% fuel load and 2000lbrs of ords. Took the 20 100lbrs.
Nice improvement. I've always liked the B-26 but never really flew it all that much in the MA's because the performance wasn't there.
I think I'll be flying it more now.:aok
I fly it a lot. As I do the KI-67. I think both are under-rated. The 26 has a fine bombload and is very survivable. It will take a lot of hits and spit a lot of lead back. After reading this I think I'll go jump in one for a quickie.:aok
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I usually make runs in a B-26 @ 20K just because that is where I like to, coincidentially this is the altitude where i take my Ki-67s as well. In reguards to speeds, I find 20K is a fair altitude to attain a decent speed in both birds. Of course I will say that bombing Rooks requires me to take more fuel and climb to 25K-30K in some B-17s and even then they have some how out altituded me, on the other hand bombing the bish 15K - 20K is usually sufficient. I have never been one to fly bombers on the deck for a suicide run, nor am I a fan of the suicide corps of dive bombing lancasters that have plagued AHII lately. I have however tried (with little sucess) to use the Ju-88 to make torpedo runs agaist task groups, but the lazer ack always tears me up shortly after I drop or some obscure variant of a spitfire saddles up and kills my under 200FT under 200MPH plane.
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The B-26 is almost an entirely new aircraft after the fix. Thats how important 30 mph is and a better climb rate. Yesterday I had a 109 make an ill advised run at me at a bad angle. While he probably made it back to base he sure got hosed pretty good. Why the bad angle? I'm guessing that he didnt expect a B-26 to be so fast and it took him longer then expected to catch me, while leaving himself less altitude and energy then he wanted. I also suspect he was running out of gas, and or ammo.
Whatever the reason we can at least agree that good things happen in bombers when the speed indicator passes 300 mph.
The last few days Ive developed tactics to hopefully help with the one attack profile the 26 has problems with. Using the available cloud cover is part of the strategy.
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Sweet, i tested the beefed up buff yesterday in the MA and it now hauls arse around 15-20K I had a p38 that felt frisky and tried to git me so I went into a shallow dive and jumped in my turrets and waited fer him to close in real sneaky like. Then I opened up on him, apearently I hit him hard enough to scare him or PW him, because he gave up and left. All the while I was at or above 300MPH.
:D
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Hrm... this is WAY above the speed charts listed on the AH webpage.
What the bantha poodoo? They juiced it too much!
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who cares how fast the thing is, theres something about it's guns that just shreads fighters.
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Originally posted by Widewing
It was porked... Now it's fixed.
Originally posted by moot
Sweeping change to what to a more historical 26 sounds good.
....which makes Krusty say....
Originally posted by Krusty
What the bantha poodoo? They juiced it too much!
:confused: :confused: :rolleyes:
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Simaril:
They modeled it after SOMETHING in the first place. That means they had SOME charts that said "270mph" (or whatever). They made it do that.
Now why, all of a sudden, do they just up and make it a fracking monster all the way up to 20k? OBVIOUSLY they had charts the first time around that said differently, and now they just (at the drop of a hat?) reverse their previous stance and make it uber?
It's without precedent in HTC history!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Latest patch lists:
"Fixed a bug in the B-26 that kept it from attaining full throttle at higher altitudes."
What the heck? What are we talking, here? This wasn't a high-alt bomber. I'm hoping we're talking only a little bit, and not some sweeping change.
Where does it say 'high altitude'?
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*Ding Ding*
1 pt for Milo.
:aok
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dong dong, -1 point for badkarma
Other posts (including one by WW I think) mentioned how the B-26 performs like a monster up even at 20k+ -- alts it could almost never reach before. Historically it was NOT a high-alt monster, so why should it be now?
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Ive never flown it about 15,000' and mostly keep it at 12,000'. Once bombs are dropped the Marauder hits 300 mph, "thank you AH". Since the improvement Ive probably flown the 26 more then any other bomber, "mind you I flew it quite a bit beforehand". I love flying this airplane now.
And now I devised a tactic to defeat a fighter doing the "low angle in the rear and climb under the tail gun" attack. If I time it right hes going to be looking down the barrels of 3 dual-0.50s a lot sooner then he thinks. I fried a spit tonight doing exactly that. People forget that rear gun has 1,600 rounds in it.
The key to the tactic is the extra energy the B-26 now has in the game. The Marauder is now my medium/short range bomber 100% of the time, unless I'm running around in my 234.
Its just a superb Aces High bomber now.:aok
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Was probably a bug.
Or in all reality, crusty.. just to piss YOU off! :aok (joking)
Hard to argue what should be right,when every dang thing we have here is a screaming rape-ape of what was mostly incounterd.
our carriers are ballz out 24/7
our bombers fly at 100% 24/7
out fighters dont suffer any of the engine weaknesses or faults they did in real life.
Feal lucky.
If anything the 26 FINALY got some nads, same with our moss.
Lets face it, most people go screaming into battle 350+ mph almost every time.
The thing needed it.
ALSO, this is a game..and some things just need to be balanced, with the 25 we need a REASON to fly the 26, and that is better speed, and a few more bombs.
Spend half your time trying to figure out a way to find and intercept these APARENT ubber bombers of yours, and you would have less time to come here.
:aok
"No disrespect, no hate."
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The 26 often goes into heavily defended tactical targets as well. Case in point, I just flew into a front-line airfield with 1,000lb bombs. Actually I flew 2 such missions but got shot down in the first one. Between the 2 runs I shot down 4 bogeys, "tho I describe a mission as a success as actually landing". The 2nd one was typical B-26. All shot to pieces hurtling down to the nearest airfield on one engine, "and that one smoking", and somehow the airplane getting you home.
As I was running for my life, with 5 bandits chasing me, I was thinking about this thread.. The extra horsepower is a small perk and one that makes the game better I think. It must be so cause the most hair-raising runs I have are in the Marauder. I dont know how I survived a few of them.
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I have been flying the B-26 since Beta 1. It was always a sweet ride, but the last two patches, something was wrong with it when it was above 10'000 feet. It got very sluggish compared to previous versions.
I always thought the B-26 was a fast bird at 15-20k in AHI. In AHII, it became lethargic at altitude to the point where it was painful to fly. A C-47 was more entertaining.
Anyways, I'm with Widewing - they fixed the bug. She's still a gem. :aok
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Im starting to call the 26 my "screw you airplane". Yes, the enemy might get me. Especially since I take the bomber into such heavily defended airspace. But theres going to be a lot of wrecked enemy fighters in its wake. Yesterday I must have killed 10 in the thing and sent as many running for home smoking. I shot 5 in a row in the space of a minute or two. They just kept lining up like ducks in the "6" of my Marauders.
With the extra speed Im seeing that more and more. Many guys who would never line up in the 6 are now doing so. Most of all when there are a lot of planes in the air and sticks are greedy for bomber kills, and, dont want another friendly stealing them from them.