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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: 5PointOh on August 30, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this one, but any skinners out there consider doing this P-51D. I tried, but mine ended up looking like it crashed and burned before take off. Thanks
(http://www.iol.ie/~asire/image8.jpg)
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Um, thats not even close to accurate. I won't even start to list all the things wrong with that paintjob. :confused:
Fester already has the correct one done, its been in the game for a while now.
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Well, where to start..
1. The plane in it's correct paint scheme is in game.
2. The paint scheme shown is not correct.
That about covers it without any flames.
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While you're at it, how about "Six Shooter"? :rofl
(http://www.rob.clubkawasaki.com/jas4828.jpg)
Incidentally, as wrong as it is, that Pony will always have a softspot in my heart. First one I ever saw in person at the Fulton, NY airshow, about 1992. :aok
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anyone know why the blue and not the green on that 51?
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Either didn't look it up or decided blue looked prettier. (the RL owner I mean, not 5.0)
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I've seen others in RL with similar paint schemes, not to say any of you aren't right. Even tried to find in historic books, but no luck as of so far. Hmmm. Or better yet Son of a (Censored)
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Someone way back when did a profile of it with Blue overspray instead of OD, and since then its been impossible to get rid of the misconception. I've also seen the OD interpreted as Purple (!).
A respected British aviation publication even once published a profile of the well-know 55th FG OD bird "Millie G" as being bright red!
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Originally posted by Fencer51
1. The plane in it's correct paint scheme is in game.
2. The paint scheme shown is not correct.
Please explain why that is not the correct paint scheme.
Looks to me like the pic he posted was of a " REAL " P-51 and not one in a Make Believe GAME.
So please explain how that is not the real paint scheme. Please.
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Thanks for the info, I'll convert the picture to B&W and use it for my desktop background. Thanks again <
> When I go to the Gathering of Mustangs and Ledgends this yr, I will let this guy know his plane is wrong j/k.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Please explain why that is not the correct paint scheme.
Looks to me like the pic he posted was of a " REAL " P-51 and not one in a Make Believe GAME.
So please explain how that is not the real paint scheme. Please.
must you troll in every forum you post in?
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Please explain why that is not the correct paint scheme.
Looks to me like the pic he posted was of a " REAL " P-51 and not one in a Make Believe GAME.
So please explain how that is not the real paint scheme. Please.
Sure I got 5 minutes.. you are a bit of a jerk but it's a valid question.
The P-51 is REAL. Sure is. It is also a current photo not a war time photo. I have seen a Yellow P-51 and I am positive that it is not a war time scheme nore are those who have racing numbers painted on them etc etc.
The misconception that the 361st FG used BLUE as a camo color has been going on for years. The EAA P-51 is painted like this as well as Cuter's Capers from the 90s, the P-51 posted above and several others.
Most probably this started from an old color WWII era photo of some 361st FG P-51s in formation that had deteriated to the point that it appeared blue and was used in a publication somewhere.
The photo in question was most probably one of the "Bottisharn four" a special sortie of 361st FG Mustangs which the 8th AF shot as publicity. LOU IV was lead plane of the 4 mustangs in question. Photos were shot in BW and Color.
The book "Yellowjackets! - The 361st Fighter Group in World War II" by Paul B Cora, has several color photos of the plane in question and all show it to have the Green OD uppers not the blue.
A little research would show that the members of the 361st have a hearty laugh whenever they see these planes as they KNOW this is not correct.
However, it sure is pretty and if I owned a Mustang I would want a nice color scheme, and not worrying about Authenticity I can see why they went with it.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
you are a bit of a jerk
Thank You i strive to be the best Jerk i possibly can be, and by having good people like yourself tell me that really means so much.
So the skin isn't up to Nerd standings huh?
How About the Bright RED Me-163 we have, even though the Germans hid those Komets in the woods at Branson to keep the Allies from straffing them , i can't see one of them being painted RED, but yet we have one in the GAME.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thank You i strive so very hard at it, and by having good people like yourself tell me that really means so much.
You are most welcome. Always glad to educate the clowns.
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5.0 many mustangs were found in very weathered/ bad condition some in good, and many of them on top of recieving new avionics instruments were painted, the few owners that have taken the time to do excruitiating reasearch and detail the planes here is one example http://www.gml2007.com/p51-attending/cripes-a-mighty.asp
i have read a few articles by the owner or the previous owner who said they researched the bird in detail for upwards of a year to get every detail right. others have chosen another path which is to take the historical plane and paint it in a different scheme similair but different. many of the mustangs you say these days are actually later d-h(korean era) models as there are very few remaining early p51cs-ds and even fewer b's. it is also very expensive to overhaul a plane like that and thats on top of a what $2,000,000 airframe..... so yah thats what i know but im just some pony dweeb:)
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Always glad to educate the clowns.
How did you guess that i was a Clown??/DING DING DING what do we have for him Johnny!!!????
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ahh fencer why you always gotta beat me to it!:furious ;)
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sweet2th the pattern of your posts says to me you shoulda been pnged along time ago
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
How did you guess that i was a Clown??/DING DING DING what do we have for him Johnny!!!????
I remember the flaming clown avatar. Very scary it was too.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
ahh fencer why you always gotta beat me to it!:furious ;)
[hint]
Wax the wings of the 51, gives ya at least 5 mph extra.
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which one of his shades was that fencer?
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Originally posted by Fencer51
[hint]
Wax the wings of the 51, gives ya at least 5 mph extra.
lol
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Originally posted by Treize69
Either didn't look it up or decided blue looked prettier. (the RL owner I mean, not 5.0)
Thanks, I had seen pics of green but have seen a few blue in ones in the last year and was wondering what i missed.
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Well I extend my thanks to the positive comments, and appreciate the time. Thanks again, fellow pony dweeb
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Originally posted by Fencer51
I remember the flaming clown avatar. Very scary it was too.
No really, i am a clown in real life.I go to the local hospitals, and charities to entertain the kids.What i do on these boards is total clowning and nothing more.It is however funny to see some of the reactions i have gotten from some of these people over the years on here.This post was no offense to you Fencer, really none at all i was just curious about that skin and why it wasn't the real one.When someone see's my posts on this BB and thinks to themselves" Can this person really be serious?" and then assumes that i am is what i have been after the whole time.It's mostly just free entertainment for myself so please don't take it the wrong way.The free entertainment part is seeing how many respond to what i have just type to say how BS it is and this and that and this and that when i never really cared what they typed in the first place, then again i have the majority of them on my IGNORE list so.
The reason for the truth about being a clown is your the first person on here to ever guess it right.:aok
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
Well I extend my thanks to the positive comments, and appreciate the time. Thanks again, fellow pony dweeb
np fellow pony dweeb:D
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And hes a Both-Kinds-of-Pony-Dweeb too :)
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:lol
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thank You i strive to be the best Jerk i possibly can be, and by having good people like yourself tell me that really means so much.
So the skin isn't up to Nerd standings huh?
How About the Bright RED Me-163 we have, even though the Germans hid those Komets in the woods at Branson to keep the Allies from straffing them , i can't see one of them being painted RED, but yet we have one in the GAME.
Well Sweet2th, the bright red Komet did actually flew in WW2, that's why she is in the game.:)
Learn about the red Komet here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/me163/pkql.htm)
It was EK16 commander's Wolfgang Späte
(http://www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/me163/images/reference035.jpg)
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Thats in a Book.Try Again.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thats in a Book.Try Again.
You don't know how to open a book ?
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Just add him to your ignore list, it makes threads so much shorter and more sensible.
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Have you even took the time to read the page? If you don't know how to read yet, I'm sure your mom will be more than happy to do it for you.
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Originally posted by straffo
You don't know how to open a book ?
Show me a pic of that color Me-163 on the Airfield.Kind of like this pic taken at at the Zwischenahn Airfield circa 1944.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/BukkNasti/Me-163.jpg)
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Have you even took the time to read the page? If you don't know how to read yet, I'm sure your mom will be more than happy to do it for you.
Week, very week, try again.
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Take that crap to the main forum. We don't need this in the skins forum.
Sweet2th, it was a real skin. As much as ANY other skin in this game is. Most of them have passed the level of scrutiny where one doubts their historical existence. You wanna continue, do it in the general forums, NOT in a hijack of the Lou IV skin thread.
Thank you.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
What i do on these boards is total clowning and nothing more.It is however funny to see some of the reactions i have gotten from some of these people over the years on here.This post was no offense to you Fencer, really none at all i was just curious about that skin and why it wasn't the real one.When someone see's my posts on this BB and thinks to themselves" Can this person really be serious?" and then assumes that i am is what i have been after the whole time.It's mostly just free entertainment for myself so please don't take it the wrong way.The free entertainment part is seeing how many respond to what i have just type to say how BS it is and this and that and this and that when i never really cared what they typed in the first place, then again i have the majority of them on my IGNORE list so.
A lot of guys do this. Most of them even have a good number of friends in this community. You should pick their brains :aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
Take that crap to the main forum. We don't need this in the skins forum.
First you think you know everything there is to know, now your the forum moderator.
DDD
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Please explain why that is not the correct paint scheme.
Looks to me like the pic he posted was of a " REAL " P-51 and not one in a Make Believe GAME.
So please explain how that is not the real paint scheme. Please.
It's pretty simple actually.... more than a few warbird owners relied on old WWII vintage Kodachrome photos to pick their paint scheme. Big mistake. Old kodachromes not properly stored suffer a color shift. Greens turn blue... Thus the blue P-51s..
Here's an excellent example of green dye deterioration...
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/p38-20.jpg)
Here's the plane in question, on a print that has been properly preserved...
(http://www.planes-and-tanks.com/Images/Mustang_300.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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Thank You WW for the clarification which i might add was way more simple than Fencer.Now if you could help the gurls find a pic of a RED ME-163 at the Airfield........
Because for someone(the germans) to want to keep a Highly desirable aircraft(ME-163) from being destroyed one would think to not paint it bright red.If this were all true, then why would they hide that RED ME-163 in the woods?
Yea hide it in the woods boys they will never see it in there.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thank You WW for the clarification which i might add was way more simple than Fencer.Now if you could help the gurls find a pic of a RED ME-163 at the Airfield........
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Thank You WW for the clarification which i might add was way more simple than Fencer.Now if you could help the gurls find a pic of a RED ME-163 at the Airfield........
Because for someone(the germans) to want to keep a Highly desirable aircraft(ME-163) from being destroyed one would think to not paint it bright red.If this were all true, then why would they hide that RED ME-163 in the woods?
Yea hide it in the woods boys they will never see it in there.
For ye who is without a clue.
"On May 13, 1944, when 8th Air Force flew against oil targets in Western Poland, was selected as the day for the first sortie with the new Me 163 rocket-fighter.
As one of Germany's best glider-pilots before the war and a successful fighter pilot with 90 victories to his credit, it was natural that Wolfgang Spate was appointed commander of the secret Erprobungskommando 16 at Rechlin, who were responsible for testing the Me 163.
Of course Spate was the pilot who undertook the first ever mission in the 163. Entering the hanger that morning, Spate found that his 163 had been re-sprayed an overall red color. This made him irritated. But the guilty party, his own personal mechanics, said they thought it would perhaps bring luck to fly the first mission with an aircraft painted in the same manner as Baron Von Richtofen's famous WWI Fokker Triplane.
However the red color brought no luck. Twice during that first mission, Spate tried to intercept a pair of P-47s Both times the rocket engine of the Me 163 failed."
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In regards to a correct 361st FG paint job on a restored warbird. This is probably the best example. The owner met the actual pilot of this bird and painted it with the pilot's help to honor him.
That's OD camo as was the case with the 361st
(http://www.361fg.com/images/Warbirds/Enlarge/Ger01.jpg)
(http://www.361fg.com/images/Warbirds/Enlarge/Ger03.jpg)
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And a wartime photo of a 361st bird showing the OD camo
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/1LtUrbanDrew361stFgflyingP-51Dthumb.jpg)
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:eek: guppy were not worthy were not worthy, you have wayyy to many books :p
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Originally posted by Guppy35
In regards to a correct 361st FG paint job on a restored warbird. This is probably the best example. The owner met the actual pilot of this bird and painted it with the pilot's help to honor him.
That's OD camo as was the case with the 361st
(http://www.361fg.com/images/Warbirds/Enlarge/Ger01.jpg)
(http://www.361fg.com/images/Warbirds/Enlarge/Ger03.jpg)
WTF?!? What kind of Mustang is THAT?!? Is that one of the scaled-down new versions?
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Why Sweet2th is trolling on these forums with nonsense is beyond me...
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Thank you for all of the information gentlemen, especially the 51pics. I have about 50 51B and D/K model pictures. But they are all in B&W. I never actually thought about about the effects of time on photos. But again thanks for clearing me up. And yes I am a pony dweeb of both kinds. <
>:aok
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Originally posted by Serenity
WTF?!? What kind of Mustang is THAT?!? Is that one of the scaled-down new versions?
Nope that's the real deal, restored right down to the last detail.
It's a beauty.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Why Sweet2th is trolling on these forums with nonsense is beyond me...
A person cannot ask a question relevant to this forum??Or did i need to get your permission first oh Knower of All things???
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you werent asking you were trolling