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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on September 01, 2007, 02:09:20 AM
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For those who do not know the exact performance of the previous-generation Skyline GTR (R-34)... think of the R-34, in AH terms, as the N1K2-J. Reasonably fast with very forgiving flight dynamics. R-36 will have more power and the same dynamics as the R-34.
And yes, this ain't some poorman's souped-up 350z. I can tell most people here won't pay $60K for a Nissan, but $60K for a Porsche Turbo/GT-3-beating Nissan sounds like the deal of the century:aok
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I'll give it a 7... its lost its originallity, looks too much like the G37 coupe. I'd take the old body over the new body.
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Originally posted by 1K3
but $60K for a Porsche Turbo/GT-3-beating Nissan sounds like the deal of the century:aok
I'll believe that when I see it. I agree with VWE the older models were mucho sexy.
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Looks like it has borrowed somethings from maserati.
id give it a 6 or maybe 7
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For $60K, I'd buy a Benz.
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How many sheets of drywall will it carry?
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(http://www.diseno-art.com/images/nissan_r390_gt1.jpg)
Too bad only a couple were made...I can dream... :D
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I'd give it 8 on looks. I don't think the picture at the top of this thread does it justice. However, I haven't seen the interior, but that always makes my mind up about a car I'd buy.
Much prefer the new EVO X.
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I'm with you OOZ the R390 GT1 road car has to be one of the sexiest autos ever built.
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I prefer Sleeper Cars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_(car)) myself. You don't get pulled over as much compared to the sportier looking cars. Plus you don't get people pulling up next to you at stop lights tempting you to a race, even though you'd have a good chance a beating them if you so desired.
That car is nice looking though.
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I don't seem to see many sleepers around these days. Now days it's kinda the opposite, throw a bunch of stickerchargers and a ridiculos wing on your moms stock Civic and you and your boys can brag about how "tight that **** iz yo!". Maybe I should try and find a smashed up Terminator and throw the drive train in a Pinto or Mustang II.
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Originally posted by rpm
For $60K, I'd buy a Benz.
not much of a benz though. I agree with VWE and geary
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I'll give it a 10 on performance and mechanics, and a 6 on looks. The front is too ricerboy from the factory, and the headlights look like they're from a cadillac or dodge because of the flat front appearance. Make it more restrained (like the original euro GTRs I saw all over the place in the UK) and let the aftermarket take care of spicing them up for those who like that sort of thing.
I will be in need of a new car in a couple of years and have narrowed my desired purchase down to a new vette. This was the one import that might have made me change my mind, but I hate the "fast and really quite furious!!!11one" look, and I hate the "I'm a gangster!!!!11one" look even more.
I'd be the one guy taking it to an aftermarket mod shop to put stock 350z panels on to replace all the goofy bodywork.
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Looking at more pics, I'll bump the looks score to 8... But the flat-ish front still looks like a caddy or chrysler 300C and the side windows definately look pseudo-gangsta like the dodge and chryslers on the road today.
I like to see out of my car. The vette... now I think that looks cool. Always have.
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probly wouldn't notice one of those if it were driving on the freeway next to me or look at it if it were parked next to me.
lazs
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lazs,
I thought the same thing when I first got to the UK... And then I saw how fast they were. And then I started noticing them.
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5 for the looks.
9.5 for the expected performance if the hype is true.
7.5 instead of 9 overall for ditching the inline 6 twin-turbo.
Looks like a good base for someone to remodel the bodywork and get a kickass street legal track monster.
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Looked over a new Z just yesterday that looked just like that pic. Same color & everthing. Nice lookin' ride.
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Originally posted by eagl
lazs,
I thought the same thing when I first got to the UK... And then I saw how fast they were. And then I started noticing them.
O'rly? They aren't even available in Japan yet AFAIK.
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USRanger, the GT-R has nothing to do with the Z. The two cars have always (decades) been in separate groups in Nissan. The GT-R is the most performant of the two, by far.
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Sorry if this is a little off topic from the original. still a car thing. The one I would like to have is the charger ~ a silver one... with the grill that looks like chainmail & the little windows look like slits in a knights visor. It a mean looking stoute little car.
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Originally posted by storch
not much of a benz though. I agree with VWE and geary
There a several Mercedes under $50K. If I were going sporty I'd have to choose a Kompressor.
(http://www.cwwcardesign.com/cars/pics/mbslkcoupe.jpg)
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Originally posted by Geary420
O'rly? They aren't even available in Japan yet AFAIK.
He was referring to the previous generation Skyline GTRs.
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Well, he was replying to Lazs who I took to be speaking of the pic you posted. Also he said "how fast they were", which is not a phrase that I would use to describe a R33 or R34(in stock trim at least).
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Originally posted by Dowding
I'd give it 8 on looks. I don't think the picture at the top of this thread does it justice. However, I haven't seen the interior, but that always makes my mind up about a car I'd buy.
Interior. They want it to keep it a secret for now.
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auto-manual + paddle shift gearbox???
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Specs
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More articles
http://www.gtr-tech.com/wiki/Top_Gear_-_Nissan_GT-R_Proto_%28Article%29
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Originally posted by Xargos
I prefer Sleeper Cars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeper_(car)) myself. You don't get pulled over as much compared to the sportier looking cars. Plus you don't get people pulling up next to you at stop lights tempting you to a race, even though you'd have a good chance a beating them if you so desired.
That car is nice looking though.
I used to have a '97 SHO. I had a lot of fun toasting a few cocky guys trying to show off for their girlfriends, though vs. some cars, you really would have to go all out to beat them (it wasn't the greatest off the line - not bad, but not great - but it's acceleration seemed to beat most in the 60-100 range).
/Hijack :)
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I'm with you Vudak, I've always wanted a SHO for a daily driver. They are decent looking, and fast too. Did yours have the Yamaha V6? IIRC the later models had V8's but I'm not too sure.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
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Agreed.
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While skyline might be faster and handle better.
I'd rather have one of these. It's just how a car should look.
(http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/dodge-challenger-concept-5302.jpg)
:aok
Bronk
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Originally posted by Geary420
I'm with you Vudak, I've always wanted a SHO for a daily driver. They are decent looking, and fast too. Did yours have the Yamaha V6? IIRC the later models had V8's but I'm not too sure.
Mine was the V8 model, automatic (only option I believe)... It was called "Generation III" by the SHO community.
The earlier Gen I & II manuals with the V6 were quite a bit quicker, and much more modable (I couldn't even put a CD player in the dash without it looking like hell - darn "ovals").
Still, the Gen III's were fast. Well, fast for a Taurus, anyway. Top speed (limited, I believe) was slightly over 140mph, which is pretty impressive for a sleeper, if you ask me.
It was very much a "get in and play" car. It didn't need any modifications for you to have a great time, and the inside was very luxurious too. It was the sort of car that wouldn't impress a girl right off the bat, but would right off the first ride :)
I had it back when my other friends owned a GTP, a Maxima, an older, yet still fast Caddie (forget the model) and the Oldsmobile with the GTP-esque engine. We had some fun times :)
Good times :aok
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The 335i rocks. Just to the top of the line rocket if you have the big bucks. I love the features in my beamer...very elegant, and a fabulous road machine.
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Bronk,
After spending only 2 years in the UK, all those retro cars in the US simply look obese to me. I don't mean I dislike a styling cue or two, I mean they really look fat. Far bigger than they need to be. An obese car with a big engine is no more attractive than a fat woman that can bench press 300 lbs.
Slim those cars down, ditch the wannabe gangsta tiny window thing, and cut out the ricer styling cues. Make *some* attempt at aerodynamic efficiency. Then cram in the hemi, LSx engine, etc.
The Vette has it right... The stang, charger, challenger, and new camaro are just fat ex-high school football players who used to be cool.
IMHO :)
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http://www.dpcars.net/dp1test/info.htm]Original AWD V8 track machine
http://www.dpcars.net/atom/info.htm]Ariel Atom + V8
http://www.kimini.com/
http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/GTM/GTMkit.html]Factory Five GTM
Confederate (http://www.confederate.com/confederate2/c2-links/home.html)
etc
The new retros look too much alike. They should be unmistakable from one another as much as the Vette is from them.. They probably are as bland as they are because of the slump the US cars' designs have been for a while now.
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Originally posted by eagl
Bronk,
After spending only 2 years in the UK, all those retro cars in the US simply look obese to me. I don't mean I dislike a styling cue or two, I mean they really look fat. Far bigger than they need to be. An obese car with a big engine is no more attractive than a fat woman that can bench press 300 lbs.
Slim those cars down, ditch the wannabe gangsta tiny window thing, and cut out the ricer styling cues. Make *some* attempt at aerodynamic efficiency. Then cram in the hemi, LSx engine, etc.
The Vette has it right... The stang, charger, challenger, and new camaro are just fat ex-high school football players who used to be cool.
IMHO :)
The 'stang, charger, challenger, and camaro are pretty small as it is. Any smaller, and getting a V-8 into the chassis might not work.
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Ok .. it made me chuckle seein the 'GT-R' on a Nissan.
I have that video game.
Nice ..don't get me wrong. . great graphics, and fun to wring out the different cars.
I wish they had an Autobahn in the fog and rain sequence in it :)
But .. it's a video game.
I can't help but laugh when I see that on a car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDLybhuOH0
..like this guy ..'pistons and everything'
I mean.
-Frank aka GE
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
Ok .. it made me chuckle seein the 'GT-R' on a Nissan.
I have that video game.
Nice ..don't get me wrong. . great graphics, and fun to wring out the different cars.
I wish they had an Autobahn in the fog and rain sequence in it :)
But .. it's a video game.
I can't help but laugh when I see that on a car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDLybhuOH0
..like this guy ..'pistons and everything'
I mean.
-Frank aka GE
OMG, that is just too funny. :rofl
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
Ok .. it made me chuckle seein the 'GT-R' on a Nissan.
I have that video game.
GT-R is nothing new, and not some rip off from a video game.
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
Ok .. it made me chuckle seein the 'GT-R' on a Nissan.
I can't help but laugh when I see that on a car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDLybhuOH0
..like this guy ..'pistons and everything'
I mean.
-Frank aka GE
The GT R on the Mustang separated it from the other GT's. The R version was for racing and was set up quite differently than the standard mustang. It had a much larger engine, no radio, no air conditioning and other bits and pieces specificaly for racing. There were only 350 built if I remember correctly. There were only two or three year models they made those in.
Mark
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If any of you have ever seen the Teckademics video Mischief, there is a scene from a car show where they find a riced out SN95 Mustang with the Nissan GT-R emblem on it. The mockingly ask the guy questions about the car and he claims its a "special addition" with a rotary engine. Now that's some funny crap.
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Nissan skyline gtr
Is this the same car that heavily dominated the domestic fords and holdens in Australian and new zealand?
This car is a legend, and it's finally going to be introduced to USA!
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I saw a *lightly* modified skyline suck the doors off a brand new (2005 I think) 911 turbo. I kicked it up to 130ish trying to keep them in sight but they vanished over the horizon with the skyline pulling away.
A nicely modified skyline can look about as bland as a US nissan sentra but can have 500+ hp, 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, and it weighs less than a vette. That's pretty damn cool IMHO. I saw a handful like this in the UK. Damn nice cars, but typically only ricers in the US know anything about them and when they try to copy them or put them into their "culture", they bling them out until they're almost unrecognizable as the relatively normal skylines they started out as.
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Originally posted by eagl
I saw a *lightly* modified skyline suck the doors off a brand new (2005 I think) 911 turbo. I kicked it up to 130ish trying to keep them in sight but they vanished over the horizon with the skyline pulling away.
Was that skyline an R-32, 33, or 34?
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Not sure. It looked like a long, low sentra with a spoiler. I think it had bulges at the wheel wells. I don't think it had a GTR badge. One exhaust, small chrome coffee-can type (not too huge but still bigger than I'd use myself).
I'm not a skyline expert but I think all the guy did to the car was some bolt-on engine mods and maybe minor suspension tweaks.
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Originally posted by eagl
Not sure. It looked like a long, low sentra with a spoiler. I think it had bulges at the wheel wells. I don't think it had a GTR badge. One exhaust, small chrome coffee-can type (not too huge but still bigger than I'd use myself).
I'm not a skyline expert but I think all the guy did to the car was some bolt-on engine mods and maybe minor suspension tweaks.
This might be the long and low sentra you're talking about. This car is just ~2,600 lbs stock.
(http://i2.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/b2/a3/52e2_1.JPG)
(http://i13.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/b2/a3/5219_1.JPG)
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eagl, that sounds like the Nissan 240SX with Skyline's GTR's RB26DETT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine#RB26DETT) swap.
The hood is spacious enough to carry this engine and its twin turbos + intercoolers. In stock mode, 240SX is in the same class as Integras and Civic Type-Rs (the INfamous ricers). Nissan 240SX + Skyline's RB26DETT engine swap is possible, and it's quite expensive.
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"The GT R on the Mustang separated it from the other GT's."
Yes .. it does.
It makes them silly.
As for Nissan GT-R .. I didn't know anything about 'em.
Video game title was apparantly a rip of the Nissan model.
I know for a lotta money you can make a Nissan fast.
I've also seen a Scarab 240z and knew someone who owned one till he lost it on an onramp .. just a small block chebby in place of the 6 cylinder Nissan had in 'em .. made the car an animal. They useda have an emblem that replaced the 240z medallion .. it read 240z28 :)
I've also read the article done by Car Craft long ago about putting a Rat motor in a 240z .. ROFL .. even *that* was less than it cost to do fast the Nissan way.. and that lil Datsun did 9's normally aspirated in the quarter..
..with license plates.
-Frank (just sayin -tm Pasha)
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GE, if you like the 240z google around for "Darius 240z". It's brown with a small block and absolutely wicked, also RX7's can fit a SBC as well.
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
"The GT R on the Mustang separated it from the other GT's."
Yes .. it does.
It makes them silly.
Do you have a pic, or link to what your talking about? It's just not ringing any bells unless its the Cobra R that came out in 01 or 02.
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Watch the YouTube video someone posted.
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Watch the YouTube video someone posted.
Dialup, throw me a bone, what year is it at least?
EDIT: I'm a moron, just read the description and its the same car I was talking about a few posts up. Been up for about 34 hours now, maybe time to let the brain recharge.
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Originally posted by Geary420
GE, if you like the 240z google around for "Darius 240z". It's brown with a small block and absolutely wicked, also RX7's can fit a SBC as well.
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Do you have a pic, or link to what your talking about? It's just not ringing any bells unless its the Cobra R that came out in 01 or 02.
There are the Late model Cobra R's, and also...at least in for '65 and '66, a Shelby GT-350 'R' model. It differed from standard GT-350's (Already quite different from Stock mustang GT's) By getting a 289 Hi-po motor putting out somewhere between 340-360 hp. In addition, It had some interior stuff removed (Most of it, from what I've read) and a different Brake/Suspension setup. I believe that these cars were only sold/given to teams in sanctioned racing bodies, With most of their use in the SCCA.
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
As for Nissan GT-R .. I didn't know anything about 'em.
I know for a lotta money you can make a Nissan fast.
GE, the GT-Rs always have gone like stink. Find a stock R33 or 34, and race it/watch it race a stock Vette or 911, or any other sportscar in that ballpark on a racetrack (with bends). It's an eye opener.
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Well..
How well do you think the GT-R would do against a C5-R?
Yassir .. they put the 'R' on the vette too.. I hear they run purty good too
..somethin about LeMans and there wasn't a Datsun even close to 'em..
..of course, the 'R' vette isn't street legal.. but then ..that's what the 'R' meant ..it's a race car.. not a wannabe.
-Frank aka GE
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Doesn't meet minimums.... NO RATING
Can't pull a trailer
Can't go offroad
Can't carry hardly any weight
Can't see down the road
Can't wear my hat
Can't stand rice burners
NEXT! :cool:
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..of course, the 'R' vette isn't street legal..
I think that you may have blown your own argument out of the water - I could buy a Skyline and drive it home.
As for racing them - they were actually disqualified from competing in Australia because they destroyed the competition - and they were big muscle cars.
All in all, it was an awesome machine; the new version has alot to live up to.
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
Well..
How well do you think the GT-R would do against a C5-R?
In Lemans? I think the GTR will be handicapped because Lemans don't allow 4WD in competetion
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ugh paddle shifters, why bother. Their like toys added on an automatic tranny. And on high end cars too, fast shift speeds be darned, they're toys. For 60k I'd go for an old Cougar or a GTO, a real muscle car doesn't need power anything.
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GE, I don't know any other Vette models by that name, but if you mean the race-ready model then it's a no-contest... I meant road-legal production cars like Dowding says, e.g. the Z07 for the new R36 GTR, or an equivalent for the R34.
For LeMans I think that past Skylines were forced to run in RWD form.
The wannabe GT-R XYZ stuff is just japanese cultural chaff.. It's not worth paying attention to. The past GTRs' performance isn't superficial.
The inline 6 turbo sounded awesome, it's too bad they ditched it for a V6. The recent Toyota prototype spied around the Nurb sounds really good, though. Should be easy to find on youtube with "new supra".
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Originally posted by Geary420
GE, if you like the 240z google around for "Darius 240z". It's brown with a small block and absolutely wicked, also RX7's can fit a SBC as well.
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Do you have a pic, or link to what your talking about? It's just not ringing any bells unless its the Cobra R that came out in 01 or 02.
It's the Cobra R I'm thinking about. They made them for a couple of years. Two different models if I remember correctly. I had forgotten that they were called the Cobra R instead of the GT R. Thanks for reminding me.
Mark
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Originally posted by moot
For LeMans I think that past Skylines were forced to run in RWD form.
Even in its home turf that car was forced to rear wheel drive in J.G.T.C. against the NSX and Supra.
If Nissan is serious about competing in LeMans I think they already have a "Plan B".
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I'd give that Skyline a 3 and thats only for the though, the design looks rather unattractive to me.
It has a built in factory tuned looks but I think it doesn't look too good but thats probably because of all the car designs I have seen during my life affect the way I see such design. For younger eyes that would probably look rather cool.
To me the "new" Pontiac GTO looks more appealing.
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8552-2005-Pontiac-GTO.jpg
(http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8552-2005-Pontiac-GTO.jpg)
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Originally posted by Charge
I'd give that Skyline a 3 and thats only for the though, the design looks rather unattractive to me.
It has a built in factory tuned looks but I think it doesn't look too good but thats probably because of all the car designs I have seen during my life affect the way I see such design. For younger eyes that would probably look rather cool.
To me the "new" Pontiac GTO looks more appealing.
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8552-2005-Pontiac-GTO.jpg
(http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8552-2005-Pontiac-GTO.jpg)
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Nice Holden Commadore.. Thats not a GTO, and I think the rest of the old GTO people will agree with me. GM screwed the pooch on naming the Holden Commadore a Pontiac GTO.