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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SEraider on September 03, 2007, 05:10:44 PM
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So I am on final approach to land my kills, about to get some tail from my spouse right after, and some puffy cheek; drooling little toad decides to vulch me on landing. Nevermind that he had two other targets of opportunity lifting off but the dreary leg-humper had to choose me.
Let me say on record (although I do not practice it as much anymore) that vulching on take-off is fair game and a necessary evil when capturing a base. Let's make this clear: Vulching somebody when they are landing is quite obvious, blatant and cowardly.
HOers (you know who you are) on the other hand can rest assure that they have the luxury of defending themselves against allegations on channel 200 by stating the "it was not a HO" or "i had a gun solution on you by 15 degrees." This perpetrates more 200 trash talk and the eventual "DA?" in which the HOer will 90% decline as some HOers would find a way to have their pencil shaped heads lifted in the air as they have gotten the winning edge on an argument and convining themselves they have enough "game" among the best pilots here in AHII.
Such action by HOers (especially by high ranking pilots) are truley misrepresentation of their true nature of having little game and only makes veterans such as myself (210lbs, 6'1'', 4th year out of southern cal) begin to question the authenticity of the victors skill.
I try very carefuly in a duel in the MA not to HO even if I have a gun-solution on my adversary. Sometimes this backfires as his resuers gang-rape me or my advesary performs a brilliant reversal upon me and I am downed. <> to those who can do that.
So in retrospect, from the range of 1-10 (10 being absolute losers), please tell me who is truley the bottom feeders of AHII.
My Vote:
Vulchers (on landing); 9+
HOers; 8
I am not voting 10 since somebody may make an argument that there is something worse than these 2 types of players (hard to imagine).
SEraider
Columnist for AHII times and AP:cool:
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That'll be me.....I'd like to be at the bottom of AHII if no one has any objections......:aok
Wurzel
*Editted cos I'm daft as a box of badgers....and missed the at out...*
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Originally posted by SEraider
: Vulching somebody when they are landing is quite obvious, blatant and cowardly.
Don't forget it's fun too :aok
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CBass agrees.
9 for landing vulchers.
7 for HOers (unless your being ganged 3+v1)
10 for being HOed on landing.
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If this happened over A1 today, which I'm pretty sure thats where this happen, it's sometimes hard to tell exactly who's taking off & who's landing, it was like a furball ontop of that base.
Now if this did happen somewhere else, or durning a time when the fight wasn't right ontop of the base then I have to agree with you.
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Originally posted by trax1
If this happened over A1 today, which I'm pretty sure thats where this happen, it's sometimes hard to tell exactly who's taking off & who's landing, it was like a furball ontop of that base.
Now if this did happen somewhere else, or durning a time when the fight wasn't right ontop of the base then I has to agree with you.
trying to land at a base where a furball is occuring or a base that is capped is not the same thing. doing that is just stupid and you deserve to be shot.
Vulching a landing plane is unacceptable when there are other targets not landing, or when there is no battle occuring near by.
an example of this would be what happened to CBass last month :
CBass was landing 8 kills in an A20 after killing gv's attack the town. There were friendly aircraft nearby and a single enemy 110 at 5.5K. as CBass's gear is touching the runway CBass sees the tracers come into view and boom, CBass is dead. the 110 dove past the other aircraft in the area just to get CBass while CBass was landing. CBass did get revenge though by shooting down the 110 pilot 5 times on the next sortie.
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Originally posted by trax1
If this happened over A1 today, which I'm pretty sure thats where this happen, it's sometimes hard to tell exactly who's taking off & who's landing, it was like a furball ontop of that base.
Now if this did happen somewhere else, or durning a time when the fight wasn't right ontop of the base then I have to agree with you.
I see your point but I do not agree.
1st, this did not happen at A1 and the leg-humper had me dialed in from what I thought to be my 4oClock position.
2nd on top of a base, lined up on a runway going slow enough before the edge of a runway should tell you by logic alone this guy is landing.
:cool:
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Well as for the HO vulching on landing I don't have a rating since there are to many variables that could apply to put 1 solid number on them.
I will rate your post as a 7. Was nicely done with paragraphs for easy reading. No massive misspelled words. But I have to dock you for the part about being 6'1" and out of Cal State. That means squat to me and has nothing to due with the topic. Unless you through that in there to attract a date or something.
:D
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Originally posted by SEraider
1st, this did not happen at A1
Ahh I thought it would have been A1, I shot down a couple SE guys there.
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Whiners = 7
Whiners who talk about how big they are = 8
Whiners who talk about how big they are and can't help but to state that they are about to get some = 9
Whiners who talk about how big they are and can't help but to state that they are about to get some and who think that everyone should play by their rules = a perfect 10
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
Vulching a landing plane is unacceptable when there are other targets not landing, or when there is no battle occuring near by.
Not if the landing plane is the first in line. :D
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I'm curious, what bearing does your real life physique (Very studly, by the way....are you a swimsuit model as well?) have to the cartoon world of AH?
BTW, your cartoon pilot is 98lbs, 5'4", just got his GED :lol
Originally posted by SEraider
(210lbs, 6'1'', 4th year out of southern cal)
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People who whine about being shot down when they were about to land kills rate 10s.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Whiners = 7
Whiners who talk about how big they are = 8
Whiners who talk about how big they are and can't help but to state that they are about to get some = 9
Whiners who talk about how big they are and can't help but to state that they are about to get some and who think that everyone should play by their rules = a perfect 10
:lol
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Well as for the HO vulching on landing I don't have a rating since there are to many variables that could apply to put 1 solid number on them.
I will rate your post as a 7. Was nicely done with paragraphs for easy reading. No massive misspelled words. But I have to dock you for the part about being 6'1" and out of Cal State. That means squat to me and has nothing to due with the topic. Unless you through that in there to attract a date or something.
:D
I was just making an inuendo about myself and being light-hearted. It was just me being snyde.
And I wish there was spellchecker.:aok
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The people that whine about Head ons are the ones who go through with the head on shot and come out with 1 wing and no stabilizers, then they run off to the forums saying they are too dumb to pull up or push down on the stick and avoid the head on shot, as for vulching, it annoys me, especially when they will avoid a fight so they can vulch someone and get themselves a second kill and get their name is lights.
Head on shots are a valid move but why try and do it, I never try and get into a head on shot but when I am I just aim and say good shot when I die or if I win i say..."hahah you and your noobfire got pwned!!!!!! i am teh 1337!!!!"
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Whiners = 7
Whiners who talk about how big they are = 8
Whiners who talk about how big they are and can't help but to state that they are about to get some = 9
Whiners who talk about how big they are and can't help but to state that they are about to get some and who think that everyone should play by their rules = a perfect 10
Guys who only critique an idea without adding to a discussion because of their natural stupidity =9
Guys who only critique an idea without adding to a discussion because of their natural stupidity and misquoting the author by stating to play by their rules = 10 +
:O
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People who whine about HOs & Vulches on Ch 200: 8
People who whine about HOs & Vulches on Private: 9 (hello BigBOBCH)
People who whine about HOs & Vulches in Gen Disc on the BB: 10
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
People who whine about being shot down when they were about to land kills rate 10s.
You must endorse this type of vulching. If I am a 10, you are off the charts then dude.:o
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Unless you were deadstick it's no ones fault but yours due to poor SA. If nothing else the guys probably coming in with a bunch of smash so just break hard and force the overshoot, whip around cross control and belly land it so you can tower quicker.
In the end though did it really matter? I doubt it unless landing those kills was a stipulation of you getting nookie thereafter.;)
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Originally posted by Geary420
Unless you were deadstick it's no ones fault but yours due to poor SA. If nothing else the guys probably coming in with a bunch of smash so just break hard and force the overshoot, whip around cross control and belly land it so you can tower quicker.
In the end though did it really matter? I doubt it unless landing those kills was a stipulation of you getting nookie thereafter.;)
Absolutely it is my fault! In fact i never expect a check six because I am the ultimate believer that you are responsible for where you are and what you do. So I am 100% with you on that.
That in mind, I think at least my unwritten rule that if you are landing, you earned the right to and I just will not take that away from you. I just think that's weak.:aok
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If it's red, it's dead.
That is all.
Bronk
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If it's red, it's dead.
Agreed!:aok
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Does that mean that the next time I kill someone landing, I get 8 perk points?
Great fun killing people taking off or landing :)
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Is this (and other thread) all about score or something. really what does it matter? people will always vulch and ho and kill steal. always have always will. It's a game, laugh, and let it go. much to serious. Just seems like one big whine....I didn't get to land my kills, someone stole my kill, someone won't let me take off.
btw, no one has mentioned the people who will say it is a valid tactic because they did it in real life....maybe 8 or 9?
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Originally posted by SEraider
So I am on final approach to land my kills, about to get some tail from my spouse right after, and some puffy cheek;
I dont think any of us needed to know this... :cry
lol. But on the subject, yes. Vulchin on takeoff is one thing. Its acceptable, as it helps to take the base. But if a plane is landing, he is LEAVING COMBAT, and thus is removing himself from the list of threats without you having to do anything. While it was practiced in WWII, that was because killing an Me-262 STOPPED that plane from taking off again. Not so in AH. Which means there really is no purpose to attacking a landing aircraft.
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I'll be honest...if I see you landing I'll kill you in a heart beat. Nothing personal but a kill is a kill and all is far in love and war. Don't care who you are or how many kills your trying to land.
Don't like it.....call the whaaaaambulance and read my sig.
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Originally posted by SEraider
Let me say on record (although I do not practice it as much anymore) that vulching on take-off is fair game and a necessary evil when capturing a base. Let's make this clear: Vulching somebody when they are landing is quite obvious, blatant and cowardly.
I see no difference.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I see no difference.
- oldman
Attacking on takeoff is preventing an enemy from entering the fight and becoming a threat.
Attacking on landing is removing a threat who was already removing himself. As far as bettering the war effort it is a waste of ammo.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Attacking on takeoff is preventing an enemy from entering the fight and becoming a threat.
Attacking on landing is removing a threat who was already removing himself. As far as bettering the war effort it is a waste of ammo.
For the purpose of removing threat kill on landing is much more effective. Victim will spend the next couple of hours whining on BB instead of fight.
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Originally posted by Serenity
. As far as bettering the war effort it is a waste of ammo.
No necessarily. Perhaps that guy I vulched was traing to land a buttload of kills and is now so annoyed that he will log off in disgust.
That way I have helped the war effort tremendoulsy while having fun and boosting my K/D at the same time ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
No necessarily. Perhaps that guy I vulched was traing to land a buttload of kills and is now so annoyed that he will log off in disgust.
That way I have helped the war effort tremendoulsy while having fun and boosting my K/D at the same time ;)
But the likelyhood of that happening is very slim. Personally, if I get nailed landing a bunch of kills, it just makes me up to kill the s*** out of whoever just shot me.
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Originally posted by Serenity
But the likelyhood of that happening is very slim. Personally, if I get nailed landing a bunch of kills, it just makes me up to kill the s*** out of whoever just shot me.
In other words: It promotes the fight, hence the fun of this game.
Or like a famous man once said: "It's all about pissing the other guy off!"
:D
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Originally posted by Serenity
Attacking on takeoff is preventing an enemy from entering the fight and becoming a threat.
Attacking on landing is removing a threat who was already removing himself. As far as bettering the war effort it is a waste of ammo.
Both situations involve attacking an enemy who cannot effectively defend himself, and who presents nothing more than a geometry challenge to the vulcher.
- oldman
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So I guess the next time I bomb the rearms pad at a base with 5 guys on it none of them will be p.o.ed because if landing vulches are ok then so is bombing rearm pads and runways.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Both situations involve attacking an enemy who cannot effectively defend himself, and who presents nothing more than a geometry challenge to the vulcher.
- oldman
Amen
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Originally posted by Serenity
... But if a plane is landing, he is LEAVING COMBAT, and thus is removing himself from the list of threats without you having to do anything. While it was practiced in WWII, that was because killing an Me-262 STOPPED that plane from taking off again. Not so in AH. Which means there really is no purpose to attacking a landing aircraft.
When you attack a landing aircraft it will likely explode OR lose parts, fall to the ground and explode OR catch on fire and explode. What more purpose do you need?
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Head on attacks were widely used in WWII, although the six o'clock position is the best angle for a kill if someones in my gunsight I'm going to shoot.
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Originally posted by DakOne
Head on attacks were widely used in WWII, although the six o'clock position is the best angle for a kill if someones in my gunsight I'm going to shoot.
yes but in WW2 it was about life or death. in AH2 it's about having fun. Constant HOing is not fun. A true fight be it turn fight, BnZ attacks etc... at least are entertaining and fun to do win or lose.
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Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
yes but in WW2 it was about life or death. in AH2 it's about having fun. Constant HOing is not fun. A true fight be it turn fight, BnZ attacks etc... at least are entertaining and fun to do win or lose.
This is part of the point I am trying to make. I just do not want the reputation to be a HOer. If I am going to beat you I want to do it in a honest angle of attack. This is a reflection of my skill then HOing wwhich is by chance.
I just don't respect HOers that much. However Vulching landers I think is the lowest thing to do. I know it's fair game but I think courtesy should be discussed.
If there is no courtesy, then all of us are not created equal and some of us are better than others!:p
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Red=Dead
I always assume any red guy landing has just done something dastardly to a knit I know or possibly a squadmate. Therefore it is my honor and privilege to put said red plane, no matter what it's speed, altitude, angle of approach, vector, victor, status of higher education, physical preparedness, marital status or sexual orientation face first in the dirt. Quid pro quo, yippee cay yay, that's how I roll. If it cries while it dies, so much the better.
Chiznit yo 6 homie, 5-0 b' chillin on it.
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Originally posted by SOB
When you attack a landing aircraft it will likely explode OR lose parts, fall to the ground and explode OR catch on fire and explode. What more purpose do you need?
Now that is sigworthy.
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Originally posted by SEraider
I am not voting 10 since somebody may make an argument that there is something worse than these 2 types of players (hard to imagine).
The ones who whine about it: 10
;)
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If I get vulched, be it on take off or landing, I realize I did something stupid and learn from it. I have no grief towards who did it, since he took a risk losing alt and E to kill me. I learned very quick to decide when and where I take off and land and consider it part of being a better player on my part.
I maybe new, but I'm not dumb.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Both situations involve attacking an enemy who cannot effectively defend himself, and who presents nothing more than a geometry challenge to the vulcher.
- oldman
What if you suck at geometry and could use the extra credit.;)
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
If it's red, it's dead.
That is all.
Bronk
:aok
I could not agree more. The more you piss off the other guy, the easier it is to kill him. One of the first things you learn in any combat training (US Ranger school, martial arts training, etc). Break the other guys' concentration, and boom, easy to kill all night long. These are the guys who will get pissed, and try to up from a capped field/camped spawn 20+ times. And, boy, are they fun to kil:lol
In the meantime, I am still looking for the cartoon honor code.
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Originally posted by Lusche
No necessarily. Perhaps that guy I vulched was traing to land a buttload of kills and is now so annoyed that he will log off in disgust.
That way I have helped the war effort tremendoulsy while having fun and boosting my K/D at the same time ;)
BTW,
How can you not enjoy someone so brutally honest:rofl
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Land quicker.
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6'1", 210lbs - BMI = 28 kg/m2
Eat more carrots, you will a) loose weight; b) sharpen your vision thus improving SA on landing.
Regards.
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This is the exact reason people kill planes landing, so they get get someone upset. This trap has been used on many occasions to rile up an opposing player and it seems that it has worked in your case.
There are no rules anywhere that state that just because your plane looks like it might be landing that you should have a free pass. Your plane is red to everyone else not on your country and therefore fair game.
This has happened to most vets and will happen again at some point most certainly. Get over it and up a new plane, after all you have unlimited lives for only $14.95 a month. Enjoy it. :)
<>
Spazz
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I play this game as a combat simulation, so I enjoy those aspects of the game that best reflect reality. Therefore, attacking enemy planes upon landing is fair to me.
I will do so if I have the chance, but I rarely get the opportunity because it means I'm:
A: Alone at an enemy airfield
B: Nobody at that airfield is paying any attention to me
I must also say that I'm astonished that anybody would have a problem with the method of succeeding at air combat, i.e. "HOing." If you think it's cheap, don't fly directly toward an incoming plane.
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Originally posted by Serenity
I dont think any of us needed to know this... :cry
lol. But on the subject, yes. Vulchin on takeoff is one thing. Its acceptable, as it helps to take the base. But if a plane is landing, he is LEAVING COMBAT, and thus is removing himself from the list of threats without you having to do anything. While it was practiced in WWII, that was because killing an Me-262 STOPPED that plane from taking off again. Not so in AH. Which means there really is no purpose to attacking a landing aircraft.
what your talking about is a code of honor I havent seen in a very very VERY long time.
Certainly a time that predates this game.
I remember a time when there was such an unwritten code.
When yea you wouldnt vulch those landing.
When if your opponent called out "Bingo ammo" you would give them a "good fight" and let them go land
When if you saw a 1V1 fight you would stay out of it and let the two duke it out by themselves.
And so on and so forth.
Sadly. Those days are long gone.
Its the rare bird you dont see shooting HO anymore
I still prefer not to. But now as soon as I see tracers flying, All bets are off.
But admitedly against certain typse of planes because of their reputation I am now more likely to fire first.
I'd leave a 1 V1 that way if every time I was in one every enemy con within a specs range didnt join in on me whenever I was in one.
Against landing/taking off aircraft.
I'll shoot at whatever happens to be in my immediate glidepath that will get me in and out of the area without the newfangled feild lazers that everyone likes to hide in now getting me.
I do miss and long for the old "code" though.
Sadly its gone forever and you just have to play with the hand now dealt
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Originally posted by SEraider
So I am on final approach to land my kills, about to get some tail from my spouse right after, and some puffy cheek; drooling little toad decides to vulch me on landing. Nevermind that he had two other targets of opportunity lifting off but the dreary leg-humper had to choose me.
Let me say on record (although I do not practice it as much anymore) that vulching on take-off is fair game and a necessary evil when capturing a base. Let's make this clear: Vulching somebody when they are landing is quite obvious, blatant and cowardly.
HOers (you know who you are) on the other hand can rest assure that they have the luxury of defending themselves against allegations on channel 200 by stating the "it was not a HO" or "i had a gun solution on you by 15 degrees." This perpetrates more 200 trash talk and the eventual "DA?" in which the HOer will 90% decline as some HOers would find a way to have their pencil shaped heads lifted in the air as they have gotten the winning edge on an argument and convining themselves they have enough "game" among the best pilots here in AHII.
Such action by HOers (especially by high ranking pilots) are truley misrepresentation of their true nature of having little game and only makes veterans such as myself (210lbs, 6'1'', 4th year out of southern cal) begin to question the authenticity of the victors skill.
I try very carefuly in a duel in the MA not to HO even if I have a gun-solution on my adversary. Sometimes this backfires as his resuers gang-rape me or my advesary performs a brilliant reversal upon me and I am downed. <> to those who can do that.
So in retrospect, from the range of 1-10 (10 being absolute losers), please tell me who is truley the bottom feeders of AHII.
My Vote:
Vulchers (on landing); 9+
HOers; 8
I am not voting 10 since somebody may make an argument that there is something worse than these 2 types of players (hard to imagine).
SEraider
Columnist for AHII times and AP:cool:
you should comment on the best and worst of AH thread (shameless plug, I know I know)
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I've never had any objections vulching people. Many times have i chased someone back to their base and vulched them on landing. It is not uncommon for someone to make a pass or two and haul back to their base once it dawns on them that he may no longer have have super mega E advantage anymore. It gives me great pleasure to vulch people on landing.:)
hoing doesn't bother me either, though comlaining about it on 200 when it blatantly wasn't does. In my first week back i got a barrage of abuse on ch200 about a Ho despite not opening fire on the merge and killing him with a dead 6 shot. I was however expecting a whine about something, he always exploded on ch1 when i shot him down years ago, it was amusing that he still does it now.:D
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Originally posted by SEraider
You must endorse this type of vulching. If I am a 10, you are off the charts then dude.:o
I am of the opinion that shooting the things with red icons is fun, whether they wish to be shot or not.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I am of the opinion that shooting the things with red icons is fun, whether they wish to be shot or not.
Actually it's more fun if they don't wish to be shot - isn't a fight all about that?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
what your talking about is a code of honor I havent seen in a very very VERY long time.
Certainly a time that predates this game.
I do miss and long for the old "code" though.
Sadly its gone forever and you just have to play with the hand now dealt
You nailed it on the head, a code of honor. I know it is unreasonable to expect all to abide by that, but at least I have the pleasure to call out those that do that it is pretty scummy doing so.
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AH is designed to be a game and to be played as a game.
We tend to see ourselves as noble knights of the sky; our wives, kids, co-workers and friends, however, see us as computer dorks who play “airplane”.
They are right you know.
Although it is a silly game, I'm not ashamed to admit that I like to play airplane. It must be downright embarrassing, however, to explain to someone in the real world how there's this "code of honor" in a game that's all about blowing as many planes and people to smithereens as possible. If you ever get upset while playing an online war-game, there must be something wrong. If you don't laugh every time you play, there must be something wrong.
eskimo
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BTW,
I wonder if there would be less whining if Aces High changed it's name to: "Bullies of the Sky"?
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So, let's see who can kill raider, (Choose one: unethically/dishonourably), most often.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
So, let's see who can kill raider, (Choose one: unethically/dishonourably), most often.
Well sunshine, I guess you can stand tall and represent both those adjectives real well could you.......:rofl
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Originally posted by SEraider
makes veterans such as myself (210lbs, 6'1'', 4th year out of southern cal).
...as an old friend of mine used to say in situations like these : "Pull it out and let's see who the Best Man REALLY IS!"
ROTFL
Shamroc
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I remember a time when there was such an unwritten code.
When yea you wouldnt vulch those landing.
When if your opponent called out "Bingo ammo" you would give them a "good fight" and let them go land
When if you saw a 1V1 fight you would stay out of it and let the two duke it out by themselves.
And so on and so forth.
Have discussed exactly that in private a couple of times in the last few weeks.
I had a personal exemption to the bingo call if I was in a FW. If a spit pinned me down and then went bingo without killing me, I wouldn't allow a free RTB, lol.
So far this tour Ive already been vulched while landing, but Ive also vulched someone while landing. It all balances out :)
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Originally posted by shamroc
...as an old friend of mine used to say in situations like these : "Pull it out and let's see who the Best Man REALLY IS!"
ROTFL
Shamroc
<>:rofl
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Originally posted by Serenity
While it was practiced in WWII, that was because killing an Me-262 STOPPED that plane from taking off again. Not so in AH. Which means there really is no purpose to attacking a landing aircraft.
Well by that logic there's no purpose in killing anyone - lives, and planes, are unlimited (perks aside) - doesn't matter if the guy is upping, fighting, or landing.
Bottom line: A kill is a kill - and if it gets some holier-than-thou whine-dweeb's panties in a bunch, ALL THE BETTER!
Don't like the big-fish-eats-little-fish reality of the Big Pond (MA's) ? Put on those little arm floaties and stay in the kiddie pool ! :D
Shamroc
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Originally posted by eskimo2
AH is designed to be a game and to be played as a game.
We tend to see ourselves as noble knights of the sky; our wives, kids, co-workers and friends, however, see us as computer dorks who play “airplane”.
They are right you know.
Although it is a silly game, I'm not ashamed to admit that I like to play airplane. It must be downright embarrassing, however, to explain to someone in the real world how there's this "code of honor" in a game that's all about blowing as many planes and people to smithereens as possible. If you ever get upset while playing an online war-game, there must be something wrong. If you don't laugh every time you play, there must be something wrong.
eskimo
nice one.
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Originally posted by shamroc
Bottom line: A kill is a kill
Reasonable minds can differ on this.
- oldman
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Originally posted by eskimo2
We tend to see ourselves as noble knights of the sky; our wives, kids, co-workers and friends, however, see us as computer dorks who play “airplane”.
They are right you know.
Ultimately, that's about the size of it :D
If the average AH player put in as much effort into real life as they did into this game, we'd all be millionaires.... Fine bunch of Walter Mittys we all are...
Shamroc
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Originally posted by shamroc
...as an old friend of mine used to say in situations like these : "Pull it out and let's see who the Best Man REALLY IS!"
ROTFL
Shamroc
if thats the case the flaming skull... would win every time
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Landing Vulchers=10+
HO's (unless forced...only way i'll do em) 7
noobs coming in thinking that it's an easy game and don't have to really try...11 (had a few of those today...)
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I can kill a man in a fair dogfight, and if I think he's gonna start a fair fight I will kill him before he can. Anywhere, anytime, anyway.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
People who whine about being shot down when they were about to land kills rate 10s.
I'm with you on that one hubs...
quote from seraider
veterans such as myself (210lbs, 6'1'', 4th year out of southern cal) begin to question the authenticity of the victors skill.
hehe... Now that's funny!
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Originally posted by waystin2
I can kill a man in a fair dogfight, and if I think he's gonna start a fair fight I will kill him before he can. Anywhere, anytime, anyway.
I respect that attitude and that is what I try to do each time I fight.:aok
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Kill him before he kills you, or barring that, he isn't allowed to kill you?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Kill him before he kills you, or barring that, he isn't allowed to kill you?
Nope. It is kill or be killed. What I intended by that comment was everyone (I assume) is trying to down enemy pilots regardless of the circumstance. I know I am! I will down an enemy plane high or low, landing or taking off, flying or sitting still, etc. A new pilot like myself needs to take em as you see em.
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I don't regard the MA as one big one-on-one duel, with every fight calculated to measure and highlight any and all differences in skill between pilots. When I'm flying a mission in the MA, I try to shoot down enemy planes while not getting shot down. Sometimes I'm supporting a larger effort like an attack on a base, or defending a base, or whatever. Sometimes I'm just dogfighting and having fun.
I personally have no compunction against shooting down a landing plane. Why would I? He's the enemy. It's not about whether it's a "fair fight" or not. If that's what you insist on, go hang out in the DA and go 1 on 1 against people.
If you're going to land, land at a base that isn't under attack. That's part of thinking and planning and acting intelligently. It's part of having good SA. If the other guy didn't plan where he was going to land so that he would land somewhere safe, and if he just went ahead landing even though his base was blinking and I was on his 6, well too bad, he's going to die, and that's all there is to it.
I really don't have too many unwritten rules in the MA, other than that I think it's exceedingly lame to shoot at a bomber or a fighter someone else has already lit on fire, or which is falling from the sky with no tail or wing, or whatever. Blatantly shooting at an airplane which is already guaranteed dead, just to try to get the credit for the kill, is about as lame as it gets.
But killing a guy who tried to land with an enemy right there? That's fair game, and the landing pilot is stupid, not the killing pilot is dishonorable.
My opinion, and I'm sticking with it.
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Originally posted by Serenity
I dont think any of us needed to know this... :cry
lol. But on the subject, yes. Vulchin on takeoff is one thing. Its acceptable, as it helps to take the base. But if a plane is landing, he is LEAVING COMBAT, and thus is removing himself from the list of threats without you having to do anything. While it was practiced in WWII, that was because killing an Me-262 STOPPED that plane from taking off again. Not so in AH. Which means there really is no purpose to attacking a landing aircraft.
factor in a possible ENY change since he took off and yes you may be preventing a 262 from taking off;)