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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SEraider on September 03, 2007, 05:25:41 PM
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I was engaged with a formidable opponent in a P-51d last night and as fate would turn out, I won the match by clipping the poor lads wing. My respect for my opponent went to anger as he somehow felt that he had any business at 10k feet, spinning out of control, to remain in the cockpit.
Now, lets be honest.....We all have seen this before. Nevermind that my opponent should have bailed and allocated the victory to me; but that a veteran of my country decide to follow him down and pump rounds into the defeated opponent, STEALING MY KILL!
After I gave him my 2 cents (more than that), he did what he could only do in that situation; play dumb!
So I have this idea, why can't AHII come up with a solution that when an adversaries craft becomes disabled that the victory is secured to the worthy? What do I mean?
Ok, the victory goes to the most worthy (round pumping) after the adversaries plane does the following:
1. Engine shuts down
2. Lost elevators
3. Lost wings
When this happens, any rounds pumped into the disabled aircraft afterwards would have no effect at all. Think of it as shooting a tree in the game; no effect. Therefore, no stealing kills.
SEraider
Columnist for AHII times and AP :cool:
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So a guy looses his elevator to an auto ack...and another guy rips off his wings...auto ack gets the kill?
Originally posted by SEraider
When this happens, any rounds pumped into the disabled aircraft afterwards would have no effect at all.
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There is another way to look at this and, in the end, it will cause you a lot less grief. There are no stolen kills, just over zealous help. :)
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Originally posted by SpikesX
So a guy looses his elevator to an auto ack...and another guy rips off his wings...auto ack gets the kill?
Great question!! I would propose among other things a proxy? Is that reasonable?:confused:
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Originally posted by SEraider
a veteran of my country decide to follow him down and pump rounds into the defeated opponent, STEALING MY KILL!
Kill quicker.
WooooWOOOOOOOO!!
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Originally posted by Grits
Kill quicker.
WooooWOOOOOOOO!!
I have already taken his wing out and he is spinning out of control. What more is needed?:confused:
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Other than stealing squadie kills, (which is great fun) it's pretty lame. Next time follow that guy around and when he gets into a situation and needs saving, just fly over him and say. Dam I would help ya, but I'm busy out looking to steal someones kills. :D Or if he is winning a fight fly in front of him and make him kill shoot himself :)
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The solution to any kill stealing is some good ol' team killing. :aok
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yes that works so well with kill shooter on.
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Wow forgot 'bout that. Shows the last time I was in the pay server.
oh yah back on topic,switch sides, then team kill... the other team... that was your team.
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Originally posted by SEraider
I was engaged with a formidable opponent in a P-51d last night and as fate would turn out, I won the match by clipping the poor lads wing. My respect for my opponent went to anger as he somehow felt that he had any business at 10k feet, spinning out of control, to remain in the cockpit.
Now, lets be honest.....We all have seen this before. Nevermind that my opponent should have bailed and allocated the victory to me; but that a veteran of my country decide to follow him down and pump rounds into the defeated opponent, STEALING MY KILL!
After I gave him my 2 cents (more than that), he did what he could only do in that situation; play dumb!
So I have this idea, why can't AHII come up with a solution that when an adversaries craft becomes disabled that the victory is secured to the worthy? What do I mean?
Ok, the victory goes to the most worthy (round pumping) after the adversaries plane does the following:
1. Engine shuts down
2. Lost elevators
3. Lost wings
When this happens, any rounds pumped into the disabled aircraft afterwards would have no effect at all. Think of it as shooting a tree in the game; no effect. Therefore, no stealing kills.
SEraider
Columnist for AHII times and AP :cool:
It's not necessary to change anything, current model works fine. You should practice your gunnery
Your score shows that you have zero assists in this tour. It means that you completely missed.
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Originally posted by Vad
Your score shows that you have zero assists in this tour. It means that you completely missed.
Pwnt.
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Originally posted by Grits
Kill quicker.
WooooWOOOOOOOO!!
To bad they removed that video....
:lol
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Originally posted by Vad
It's not necessary to change anything, current model works fine. You should practice your gunnery
Your score shows that you have zero assists in this tour. It means that you completely missed.
Originally posted by SpikesX
Pwnt.
Not necessarily. His killstats page shows 5 kills that are not yet reflected on his scores page (which shows zero kills along with his zero assists).
Jury is still out.
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Originally posted by Vad
It's not necessary to change anything, current model works fine. You should practice your gunnery
Your score shows that you have zero assists in this tour. It means that you completely missed.
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"hey birdo, finish him off next time! WOOOO WOOOOOO"
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Originally posted by Vad
It's not necessary to change anything, current model works fine. You should practice your gunnery
Your score shows that you have zero assists in this tour. It means that you completely missed.
I have another account that I use besides this. That is why my stats are nil but this event did happen.
Practice my gunnery? Shooting a wing off seems pretty decent gunnery to me.
What is not decent is that somebody follows my kill down 80 degrees to steal a kill. That's my point.
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I think that when someone does damage to parts that are vital for continued flight, ie engine, wing, whole tail etc, they should be awarded the kill. I've had both elevators shot off, and manged to rtb and land successfully. Granted, I can in and slid on the big bellybutton square of cement by some hangers, but I still manged to fly back. Same with a wind tip. People can still fly with them missing. Point is, if your plane got to the point where you can't control it anymore, and I've had this happen with just a horizontal stabilizer missing, the person who did that damage should get the kill.
I believe this is fair.
And just so I can get my whine/story in, I remember helping a country man out who had a 205 on his tail. I bnz'ed a few times, (but quickly as I was trying to help him out) and finally got a deflection shot off that took off his whole right wing. Mind you he was flying perfectly before this, following my country man around everywhere. When he hits the ground, Assist on ........ :huh :O :cry
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Vox works.. call out that the ponies dead next time.
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Originally posted by E25280
Not necessarily. His killstats page shows 5 kills that are not yet reflected on his scores page (which shows zero kills along with his zero assists).
Jury is still out.
5 kills of LVTA4 in Niki, fighter mode. It's not reflected in score.
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Originally posted by SEraider
I have another account that I use besides this.
It tells a lot.
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Originally posted by SEraider
I have another account that I use besides this.
Very interesting, very interesting indeed.
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After taking the tail off a p38 some dweeb watching him go down laid into himself to steal the kill. While in disbelief and telling him what an ahole thing to do that was he watches someone come pick me. on my way down he said "i was going to ram him, i had to shoot." that is the best excuse for a kill steal i've heard yet.
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You know it happens, you know it's going to happen.
If you want the score, finish the kill.
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Originally posted by trax1
Very interesting, very interesting indeed.
Whether you believe me or not is up to you. I fly with the Rooks in my other account (love flying rooks with this account).
Just focus on the main idea what I am trying to present and you will know it to be true that this does happen.
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Originally posted by ROC
You know it happens, you know it's going to happen.
If you want the score, finish the kill.
The way it is now, that is true.
It cannot be that difficult to modify the program a bit to safeguard against this. At least my perspective.
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Originally posted by SpikesX
So a guy looses his elevator to an auto ack...and another guy rips off his wings...auto ack gets the kill?
So the AA guns shot someone down but as he is tumbling toward earth Average Joe says, hey easy kill and goes after the plane that is tumbling toward earth.
If the person shoots it down first then the suggested system means Average Joe gets the kill.
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Here was the official reply on this subject.
Originally posted by hitech on 2/7/05
You can not award the kill at the time of damage. The outcome of the flight has still not been determined. The odds are he will crash and die,but that is not always the case.
But I have lost wings at times near ground and ended up with a ditch by luck.
What would be possible is that no more lethality points are tracked once certian componets fail. The plane could still be shot and more damage done, but no kill award tracking would be done, you still must stay living until the hit plane exits flight.
Been thinking about implementing this for a while, it just hasn't moved to the top of the list yet.
HiTech
Note, nothing has been changed since then.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Here was the official reply on this subject.
Note, nothing has been changed since then.
Maybe I should put a phone call into Skuzzy now that this is a fresh subject.:aok
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The bigger question is does it really matter?
The fight itself is what counts, both combatants know (or should know) the relative merits and have taken a reasonable measure of the others ability. If you fought someone you consider to be a "worthy" opponent and achieved a victory....that in itself should be enough. When I'm flying well I dont care. I had a 6 kill hop in a B pony yesterday where I didnt finish a single enemy. I simply flew smart and tagged 10 or so...in the end I got 6 kills and 3 or 4 assists...cleared a few good guys and got cleared myself.
The true measure of your flying is in your mind....and your adversaries. Earn your opponents respect and let the less talented chase your cripples...you'll come out ahead in the end in more ways then one.
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Simplest answer, don't fly in a horde.
Anyone can make a mistake once, steal from me twice and you go on my stay away from list. No 6 calls, no clears unless its a sure kill for me. And most times, I won't even up from the field he's flying from if it happens consistantly.
I'll go elsewhere and find some other action.
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I agree with Humble. Also, you can't accept help from your squaddies when you're in trouble and then complain about "stolen kills." That's simply hypocrisy. You're either on a team or on your own.
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I sort of experience the same thing last night. I was in a B24 on return trip home when CVA noticed me, I had ran into heavy fighters on the first part of my trip and had exhaust most of my ammo, and received a few dead gunner positions. CVA killed one of my two remaining 24s with a nice slashing attack in a 38, as I tried to get away. Down to my last 24, CVA comes in at a blistering rate and turns my last bomber in to a roman candle, so I am about to die, its only a matter of time...so as I continue to fly out over the water blazing away a Niki comes diving in and misses. In an act to save CVAs kill I dive my 24 to the deck. Here comes the Niki again, and luckily for CVA the Niki goes under my 24 and crashes straight into the ground. I got the kill on the Niki and CVA got the kill on me. The point is when a plane is on fire, let him explode unless he is a direct threat. Personally if I was CVA I would have been a little irritated at the Niki.
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Personally...
I do not care about "stolen" kills.
Usually I go in and do enough damage to get the kill....
If the NME plane goes off as a Roman Candle and someone else finishes them off...I do not care.
If it's the other way around, I'll finish them off. If I get nothing, or an assist, great...I helped my country's cause by killing the foe.
I'm ususally on the bad end of a 4v1 (or more) so if they get a kick out of ganging up, fine. I deserved it for getting into that situation.
If you want the kill...do the most damage.
68ROX
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Some stay in a disabled plane at alt to see if a friendly will kill the one who shot him. Kill steals do not happen that often so I do not worry about it. I know I shot the plane down and that is good enough for me!
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Don't forget that planes that are going to die, "aren't dead yet." As long as they have guns, they are a threat to others...and to me.
This applies way more to the burning plane than otherwise. Once a zeke starts burning, its PROBABLY going to die. (I've loved the few times I can lower and slow a burning plane enough that I can get a ditch when the wing falls off!) But some planes burn a really long time -- and while we're waiting for it to go, it can very easily drop its bombs or get a kill (or 2, since people may stop paying attention to it). So even if you've "earned" the kill on the torch, it isnt dead YET and its a fair target.
However, it also applies to other damage. I've often pulled off a target called out as "dead," that later turned out to be fine and quite deadly. (The caller landed some pings, then saw the plane spin out and thought critical damage was done.) I've landed planes with only wing stubs often enough to know that even losing major chunks can be overcome -- so if looks like its responding to controls, and it flies in front of me, it gets a burst.
So while I don't try to steal kills, my operating principle is now that if its still a danger, its a target. And, if it pops up in my gunsight, I will shoot.
And I don't care if "my" kill gets stolen -- its my fault, because if I had killed it well enough it couldnt have been stolen.
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Originally posted by 5PointOh
I sort of experience the same thing last night. I was in a B24 on return trip home when CVA noticed me, I had ran into heavy fighters on the first part of my trip and had exhaust most of my ammo, and received a few dead gunner positions. CVA killed one of my two remaining 24s with a nice slashing attack in a 38, as I tried to get away. Down to my last 24, CVA comes in at a blistering rate and turns my last bomber in to a roman candle, so I am about to die, its only a matter of time...so as I continue to fly out over the water blazing away a Niki comes diving in and misses. In an act to save CVAs kill I dive my 24 to the deck. Here comes the Niki again, and luckily for CVA the Niki goes under my 24 and crashes straight into the ground. I got the kill on the Niki and CVA got the kill on me. The point is when a plane is on fire, let him explode unless he is a direct threat. Personally if I was CVA I would have been a little irritated at the Niki.
Good point. This is what I am arguing about.
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Originally posted by humble
The true measure of your flying is in your mind....and your adversaries. Earn your opponents respect and let the less talented chase your cripples...you'll come out ahead in the end in more ways then one.
Umm, the flaw in that being that your opponent doesn't know who they were fighting, or for all they know they assume they were fighting the kill stealer.Originally posted by Ghosth
Simplest answer, don't fly in a horde.
That doesn't always apply either. I've dewinged an enemy at 12k with no other plane in sight, and later watched a supposedly good player come along in a typh an steal the kill at 2k. There was no 'mistake' about it. I've also many times thought I've drug a fight away from others to look back after flying though the debris field and watch two lame arses following the falling wreck down, blasting away.Originally posted by humble
The bigger question is does it really matter?
It seems to matter to raider, and it seems to an extent to matter to ghosth. It does matter to me. I don't often actually have a kill stolen where it is cut and dry no misunderstanding what is happening. I do see attempts often enough though, where there is no mistaking that the 'kill' is cut in half, or missing one or both wing roots, or missing stabs. I will continue to make a loud spectacle when I see it happen. I will continue to note the said lame arse players ID's and never help them, and give the enemy on their six time to shoot them down before I go guns hot. If I am in the falling wreck in that equation and I see it happen, I will go on 200 and ID the lame arse plane types who tried to steal, and/or the GameID of the lame arse player if it was stolen. There are players know for consistantly attempting to steal credit on planes that can do nothing but fall. Simple gratification of personally knowing who really shot the plane down, has no bearing on affecting other players poor behavior.
Also, IMO, flaming fighters are fair game (if it has controlled flight, it's a target). Targeting a flaming bomber is just rude unless it happens to be seconds from dropping on a friendly target.
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It can happen, but its not a big deal to me unless the guy is a perpetually shooting at falling debris.
Planes on fire still = dangerous and should be dealt with.
Here is a short clip that shows how confusing it can be... a spit appears to be hurt but is only stalled/spin he recovers and begins firing at another plane.
1 of the 68s got some pings on him.. I took off his wing .. I got the assist.
oh well, I got a few more kills later I'm sure (just not in that passenger airliner I was flying for the film)
anyway short film (46seconds AHF)
http://www.filecrunch.com/file/~5yuo4s (http://www.filecrunch.com/file/~5yuo4s)
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
It can happen, but its not a big deal to me unless the guy is a perpetually shooting at falling debris.
http://www.filecrunch.com/file/~5yuo4s (http://www.filecrunch.com/file/~5yuo4s)
That's the blatant thing that makes me mad, somebody shooting at fallin debris when someone else did the hardwork.
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I'm happy enough to get a kill, if some noob score monger wants to come in an steal it, it doesn't bother me much.
Plenty of scalps out there, quit watching your score page and eagerly awaiting the 'congrats' when you land victories, you'll find you might enjoy the game more.
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well if it's a good fight and someone steals the kill, you can still salute that person/pm or vice versa.
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Originally posted by Delirium
...Plenty of scalps out there, quit watching your score page and eagerly awaiting the 'congrats' when you land victories, you'll find you might enjoy the game more.
good call Delirium
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Originally posted by Delirium
I'm happy enough to get a kill, if some noob score monger wants to come in an steal it, it doesn't bother me much.
Plenty of scalps out there, quit watching your score page and eagerly awaiting the 'congrats' when you land victories, you'll find you might enjoy the game more.
Well said - I mean, it's just a stinkin kill - not like there isn't a boatload of them out there for the taking... Annoying ? Maybe a little, but it's sand off the beach the way I see it. Besides, if it can be stolen, it really wasn't a kill to begin with.
Shamroc
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i had a nice one today that kinda got under my skin, nothing that does not happen all the time, but still. I was in my 1A at around 14k and came across a lone 47-d25 co-alt and we mixed it up, for a solid 5 min it was back and forth.. finally it got to the deck and I clipped a few chunks off of him, he pulled up for the last ditch effort and stalled, i came up right under him D400, still 200mph of airspeed....his entire plane silhouetted against the blue sky, I'm just relishing the hosing I was about to deliver.. then sure enough a 51 and a spixteen come blasting in guns blazing.. pull right in front of me.. both overshoot the jug, either didn't hit him or didn't do enough damage.. and i ended up getting him after he dove..
granted it wasn't a "kill steal" in the sense that it is being discussed here, but i would have been LIVID if after all that work these 2 goobers had shot him down..
that would be like.. spending hours seasoning a steak, getting the coals just right, slathering on your special home made BBQ sauce that you made from a recipe your grandfather gave you just before he lost his last marble and starting having arguments with the cat, sitting down at a nice picnic table on a beautiful sunny day.. and as your fixing to make the first juicy cut.. a bird flies over poops on your plate.. so instead of eating your steak (kill) you end up eating McDonald's (assist)..
P.S. upon proofreading this I have come to the realization that I might be just a little bit weird.
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Originally posted by ROC
You know it happens, you know it's going to happen.
If you want the score, finish the kill.
think he did .....thats the point
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Originally posted by shamroc
Besides, if it can be stolen, it really wasn't a kill to begin with.
I'll call BS on that one. If a plane is torn up so badly that there are only 3 possible outcomes that player has control over: [list=1]
- The player bails, awarding the kill
- The player intentionally disconnects, awarding the kill
- A player crashes, awarding a kill.
[/list=1] Then there is in fact a kill because the situation doesn't allow for any other outcome. The only varible is if an interloper comes in and tries to outscore damage and get credit for the kill that was
inevitibly to be awarded to someone else.
I suggest that those of you who shrug and forget about it only nurture this in game behaviour by some players. If no one cares or says anything, then that tells the "kill stealer" that it is a perfectly acceptable form of gameplay with this community. If someone takes a few seconds to point the spotlight on the players behaviour, they might get the hint that it is frowned upon, and think twice about doing it again.
Did I need that kill someone stole from me? Not really, the average player would be estatic to to have my average kills per sortie. That does not mean that I will sit back and not call out BS behaviour when I see it.
I for one am kind of happy to see the complacency trend in the replies, since in the past when I've advocated a little bit of simple community policing in vain, the result has been a change in the game system that people will whine about endlessly. On this issue, HT has shared his thoughts, and I am more than happy to sit back and wait for the issue to get worse, and complained about until the game system is adjusted accordingly.
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It's a tossup on my feelings here. On the one hand, flying my Spit 9 and having ponies and other assorted crap zoom over my head and hose away at a con that I separated from the horde irks me. On the other hand, I watched a friendly flame up a P47 and then turn his back to it like the jug was dead. The next thing you know it's turning on him and hosing away. Needless to say a quick burst of my Hispanos dealt with it. I think it is best to circle away from your teammate and see if they need assistance, do not interfere unless this is a reversal that endangers your teammate. Also, if your chasing your teammates current con, whose watching both your backs? If nobody is and a horde is around, STOP---It's tower time!
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raider I feel your pain, but theres no point asking for alterations, the game is fine as it is. We should be educating those who are ignorant.
Teach these people about the in game etiquette. Problem solved.
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I'll shoot till i see an explosion in a crowded area
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Originally posted by whiteman
I'll shoot till i see an explosion in a crowded area
We have a winnar! Make it explode and you cant have the kill stolen.
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The whole "Kill Stealing" thing seems a bit silly to me. However, I know it matters to some, and I don't normally shoot planes that are spiraling toward the ground.
However, I do shoot planes with stuff missing, if they are not going down, then they are fair game. (And the one that did the damage may already be dead)
Second, some people think because they are on some guys six "That's their kill" even if they haven't landed a single ping. (Which is ridiculous)
In the end, it's usually one of two types of people, new players that haven't learned how "precious" that kill is to some people, or players that just don't care.
Best regards,
--Tachus
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Originally posted by Tachus
The whole "Kill Stealing" thing seems a bit silly to me. However, I know it matters to some, and I don't normally shoot planes that are spiraling toward the ground.
That is the point I am trying to make regarding "kill stealing." I am talking about guys that shoot at a plane that is spiraling downward. I think it does matter to some including me.
I agree about your take about somebody reserving their kill as you insinuate. That is a bit ridiculous.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by SEraider
Ok, the victory goes to the most worthy (round pumping) after the adversaries plane does the following:
1. Engine shuts down
2. Lost elevators
3. Lost wings
When this happens, any rounds pumped into the disabled aircraft afterwards would have no effect at all. Think of it as shooting a tree in the game; no effect. Therefore, no stealing kills.
SEraider
Columnist for AHII times and AP :cool:
well with the 1st one, what about gliding back to base? i've done that on a number of occasions.
2nd, elevators? last night i was flying a p47d-40 with both elevators shot off, would have to be elevators and ailrons...
lost wings i can agree with...
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Originally posted by trigger2
well with the 1st one, what about gliding back to base? i've done that on a number of occasions.
2nd, elevators? last night i was flying a p47d-40 with both elevators shot off, would have to be elevators and ailrons...
lost wings i can agree with...
I think he meant in the case you crash because of those situations. But i return missing half those parts anyways. actually it's a game to see what comes first, out of ammo or missing both ailrons, rudder, rear flaps or when i'm in a 110 to see if i can get both wings shot half off. makes for funny screen shots.
I hate getting kills stolen but rarely happens to me. I think the current system is ok. Not saying this applies to Raiders case but i see people flame an A6M then leave it, well those things burn for a good time and i've been shot down cause some guy called it dead when all it was doing was burning.
I see a plane start to burn then it gets on a friendlies 6, I'm going to finish it off. I guess the guy figured the kill is his and is saving ammo for that ubber "*** landed 6 kills in a D3A" or what ever.
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There is a time for teamwork, esp when there are multiple formations of buffs inbound. Good teamwork can make the difference. Take the time to work with the other guy, you'll both get kills enough if you stay alive.
There is a time for flying by, and finding your own meat. If you see a 1 on 1, walk on by. I almost never shoot in that situation. The other guy has EARNED that kill, or the loss, either way its his fair and square. You want to sit high and wait to see if the bad guy wins, fine. But let them finish what they started.
There is a time for dropping in and clearing someones 6. Ussually when there are many vs one. But then back off to let him get the kill he was earning. Or ask him which one you should take. Frankly with the communication tools we have there is no excuse for kill stealing.
Don't fly with a horde, if you see 2 guys on a con, keep grabbing, they sure don't need a third.
In short, find your own fights, kill your own cons, respect the other guys right to do the same.
Last I have to agree with Murdr, once a plane has been damaged to the point it can no longer be controlled damage should be frozen.
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Originally posted by SEraider
I have another account that I use besides this. That is why my stats are nil but this event did happen.
Practice my gunnery? Shooting a wing off seems pretty decent gunnery to me.
What is not decent is that somebody follows my kill down 80 degrees to steal a kill. That's my point.
Can't ya just shoot your other account down away from the crowd so this doesn't happen and get you so upset? or better yet get a third account and steal your own kills.........:aok seriously though, it's possible that the guy didn't see the wing missing from the pony. Did you say anything to the friendly that got the credit?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
There is a time for teamwork, esp when there are multiple formations of buffs inbound. Good teamwork can make the difference. Take the time to work with the other guy, you'll both get kills enough if you stay alive.
There is a time for flying by, and finding your own meat. If you see a 1 on 1, walk on by. I almost never shoot in that situation. The other guy has EARNED that kill, or the loss, either way its his fair and square. You want to sit high and wait to see if the bad guy wins, fine. But let them finish what they started.
There is a time for dropping in and clearing someones 6. Ussually when there are many vs one. But then back off to let him get the kill he was earning. Or ask him which one you should take. Frankly with the communication tools we have there is no excuse for kill stealing.
Don't fly with a horde, if you see 2 guys on a con, keep grabbing, they sure don't need a third.
In short, find your own fights, kill your own cons, respect the other guys right to do the same.
Last I have to agree with Murdr, once a plane has been damaged to the point it can no longer be controlled damage should be frozen.
I don't normally find a lot of points where I disagree with you Ghost, but on most of this I do.
Outside of shooting a plane that is no longer controllable, (which I don't do). Here is my thoughts on "Kills"
A plane becomes "off limits" when it's no longer visible. (It blows up)
A person knows it's their "kill" when they get the system message, until then, it's not.
Screaming on Vox, "The spit is mine" before you even ping the plane is ridiculous.
Expecting that people follow a long list of "Don't engage when" is just going to raise a person's blood pressure.
BTW, I don't normally dive into a 3 vs 1 just because I'll blow my E, (it's not in my best interests.)
If there is a 1vs1 below me, I usually watch before I dive in, but expecting everyone to do that, is just not realistic.
In many ways this is like vulching. I don't normally vulch. (I will cap a field if it's being captured, but I don't normally shoot planes coming down the runway) However, I don't expect others to follow suit, and if I get vulched, then so be it.
Best regards,
--Tachus
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Originally posted by rodak
Can't ya just shoot your other account down away from the crowd so this doesn't happen and get you so upset? or better yet get a third account and steal your own kills.........:aok seriously though, it's possible that the guy didn't see the wing missing from the pony. Did you say anything to the friendly that got the credit?
If it is "blatant" then heck yes! What I mean is a plane spiraling down is still being attacked by others when I and others have doen the real work.
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The act of being in a great knife fight and walking away wasn't fullfilling enough?
What is score when many game the game, nobody measures skill by score unless your top 5 for two years in a row every month.