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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: storch on September 04, 2007, 05:55:58 AM
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In your opinion what are the best and worst aspect of this game?
In mine the very best is finding someone who is willing to fight and not run to ack or run three sectors.
The very worst is the game play currently embodied by two squads, one on the bish team and the other on the knights teams which consists solely of capturing lightly or completely undefended bases for the apparantly sole purpose of obtaining a low score.
I was wondering how other players felt about the game and what keeps them playing or what causes them to want to leave?
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Good: Teamplay (when it works), combined arms (when it works), communication (when it works), missions with a plan, having joined a squad with good people, general immersion, people picking (sometimes weird) planes out of preferrence, not specification and being leathally proficiant in them :aok
Bad: playing for score/rank, taking this game as or more serious as/than RL, whining, belittling, cussing, excuses and lamenting on 200, voice channel spammers, the never ending HO/alt-monkey discussions, aeroquake(TM) (huge furballs), people just picking the plane that has it all (including training wheels) above all else. :cry
:cool:
Regards,
Matt
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The best things are people who don't run, unless there's a huge horde chasing them or they are out of ammo/fuel, and being in one of those hordes that are actually trying to take bases, always talking it up on range helping one another out. The horde also usually has another horde to fight for the base but you end up getting the base anyways because of everyone helping one another, but of course its one fun time getting the base.
The worst things are HOers, Vulchers (On people who are landing), TT bombers, Wheelchair generals, squeakers, hackers (how dare you ruin H2H), and people who don't follow the rules in the TA (On purpose).
HQ Raids are also fun :aok
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Best, any good fight, win or lose where you had a chance to go 1 on 1 with no interruptions. Extra credit for doing the same to a plane in a position of advantage, ie reversing the tables on a hi p51, 109.
Worst, logging in to find both bish and rooks beating up the knights on a map that is old enough to go to school. Logging from that arena into the other one, to find the exact same thing.
Priceless, logging in late sat night to find 3 other squad mates on. All of who were interested in flying same plane from same base at the same time in 4 man group. Had 3 hours of the most enjoyable flying I've ever had in AH.
Outlaw, Bison, Lucky13, you made my night!
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Worst:
- Constant whining about "Bish/Nits/Rooks suck/can't get organized/ waste resources" on own countrychannel
- Players that throw poo on ch200 or in Pm's - and claiming to be acting in "persona" doesn't makes it better.
- I am addicted.
Best:
- There is nothing good about this game. I don't know why I just can't quit ;)
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Originally posted by storch
for the apparantly sole purpose of obtaining a low score.
Oh how verrrrrrrrrrryyyyyy rich, insightful, and inciteful. Here we go again. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by thndregg
Oh how verrrrrrrrrrryyyyyy rich, insightful, and inciteful. Here we go again. :rolleyes:
Don't worry about it, ThndrEgg. Interesting to note what kind of people completely forget that "taking this game [too seriously], whining, belittling, cussing, excuses and lamenting on 200" is FAR worse for AH than any particular play style can ever possibly be. (Thank you Keiler for putting it so well!)
Even though I end up flying lone wolf 90% of the time, when hordes show up I don't let them bother me...I just go somewhere else, because if you want you can find just about anything you want in the game just about all the time. (Yes, I am a spiritual disciple of that Destroyer of Worlds, Guppy35)
And to answer the thread's query:
Best for me is building good friendships with squaddies (Wish I could have flown with you four longer Sat night, Ghosth!). Right up there is getting to continually meet and fly alongside good folks who share my love for historic aviation -- while pursuing a hobby that gets deeper and more challenging the more I learn.
Worst is " taking this game [too seriously], whining, belittling, cussing, excuses and lamenting on 200. "
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Best- When you die.
Worst- When I die.
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Originally posted by storch
In your opinion what are the best and worst aspect of this game?
In mine the very best is finding someone who is willing to fight and not run to ack or run three sectors.
The very worst is the game play currently embodied by two squads, one on the bish team and the other on the knights teams which consists solely of capturing lightly or completely undefended bases for the apparantly sole purpose of obtaining a low score.
I was wondering how other players felt about the game and what keeps them playing or what causes them to want to leave?
You know, Storch, this is kind of a hard question-I've seen some really good sticks leave, but for reasons ranging from money troubles and simply burning out on the game, to RL issues like work, family, or simply not being able to upgrade to a new PC that could handle the switch from AH1 to AH2.
I don't think you could blame all the bad things on just two squads. I've seen all kinds of different gameplay since I started, and things changed quite a bit at the split.
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I wasn't blaming anything on anyone I was expressing what I considered to be the worst aspect of the game in my opinion. note that I did not name the the squads, I don't want to offend anyone nor am I trolling. I'm merely polling those that wish to respond and there is no correct or incorrect response as we are considering opinion amongst peers.
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you know storch i know the sqauds you are referring to i happen to be in 1 of them and we witness your blabber all the time on the 200 ch and there are some good people in this game that dont like large furrballs that go on in the LW arenas and some dont have the high power computers to handle it so we try to stay where everyone can play with less problems and the way i see it everyone pays there 15 bucks to play and they should be able to play anyway they choose so
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Originally posted by Keiler
Good: Teamplay (when it works), combined arms (when it works), communication (when it works), missions with a plan, having joined a squad with good people, general immersion, people picking (sometimes weird) planes out of preferrence, not specification and being leathally proficiant in them :aok
Bad: playing for score/rank, taking this game as or more serious as/than RL, whining, belittling, cussing, excuses and lamenting on 200, voice channel spammers, the never ending HO/alt-monkey discussions, aeroquake(TM) (huge furballs), people just picking the plane that has it all (including training wheels) above all else. :cry
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Regards,
Matt
Thread over. ;)
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Originally posted by Jeff W
you know storch i know the sqauds you are referring to i happen to be in 1 of them and we witness your blabber all the time on the 200 ch and there are some good people in this game that dont like large furrballs that go on in the LW arenas and some dont have the high power computers to handle it so we try to stay where everyone can play with less problems and the way i see it everyone pays there 15 bucks to play and they should be able to play anyway they choose so
howdy jeff. I'm sorry but I missed the part where you stated what you thought the best and worst aspects of the game are.
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In the Main Arena...
Best: Working with your squad as a team, either capturing a field or fighter sweep etc.
Worst: Players fighting for the sole purpose of get their K:D ratio up and their rank lower. The game used to be about capturing fields, not follow the congo line to the furball. I guess insert your "I'll do whatever I want with my $15 a month" comment here.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
The game used to be about capturing fields, not follow the congo line to the furball.
Hmmm.. you are not playing for a long time I think.
This complaint is as old as AH. One random quote from the year 2000:
Originally posted by ra
Pilots are getting more and more comfortable with the furball till you die method of gameplay. Hardly any planned missions anymore. People who knock down fields end up calling for C-47s that never show up.
ra
From this thread: http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11157
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Best :
-vulching in Comet
- massive B26/B24s videocardbuster mission
Worst:- 120 caps with 150 players online combined
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Originally posted by storch
In your opinion what are the best and worst aspect of this game?
In mine the very best is finding someone who is willing to fight and not run to ack or run three sectors.
The very worst is the game play currently embodied by two squads, one on the bish team and the other on the knights teams which consists solely of capturing lightly or completely undefended bases for the apparantly sole purpose of obtaining a low score.
I was wondering how other players felt about the game and what keeps them playing or what causes them to want to leave?
The Best:
Flying with friends.
Defending a base for hours with 3-4 guys I never met before.
The Worst:
The way alot of new guys are treated when they ask questions.
Some seem to forget that 1st couple of days when they started.
God help the poor sap that actually has the nerve to say "Hi Guys, can somebody help me? I,m kinda new at this."
The guy is expecting some sort of friendly response and gets------well, you all know what he gets. It most certainly is not called common courtesy.
The Very Worst:
Is embodied by only 2 or 3 people on these BBs.( which I consider to be part of the game)
With their incessent and unprovoked name calling and just plain moronic behavior,they will take what WAS an enjoyable,rational thread and turn it into nothing more than a schoolyard brawl.
Your Pal,
Boner
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Best: Any 1v1 2v2 3v3 etc win or lose, having fun with squaddies
Worst: Incessant whining/excuses after you pop someone.....
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Best: Finding a fight.
Worst: The capture the flag aspect of the game today.
BTW Storch, the capture monkey squads aren't limited to bish/knit. There is at least one in Rookland also. :)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Best- When you die.
Worst- When I die.
HEY,
That was my answer! Now I got to come up with a new one.
Best- When I'm palying and my wife leaves me alone.
Worst- read best and do the math.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
The game used to be about capturing fields, not follow the congo line to the furball.
From last year
Some play the game to fulfill the actual parameters that it was designed for, which is to overcome and conquer bases, and eventually the country, thus winning the war/game.
Originally posted by hitech
This is a false assumption.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
HiTech
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Best: Finding a fight.
Worst: The capture the flag aspect of the game today.
BTW Storch, the capture monkey squads aren't limited to bish/knit. There is at least one in Rookland also. :)
really? since I seldom play another team I wouldn't notice but it makes sense that there would be.
I believe there are fairly significant differences between the teams.
I believe that the bish team is populated by possibly the least skilled players, particularly in the air.
I believe the nits and rooks are closer in skills but the nits are basically toolshedders with some exception.
I believe the rooks are horrible base takers but rulers of the air. I think we also suffer from a collective and mild form of autism.
:D
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The Best : Fighting on any level, even outnumbered sometimes. Winning a 1v1, 2v1 or even 3v1. Losing to a single good or multiple opponents that make me fly whatever plane i'm in to it's limits. Even the ground game is fun.
The Worst: When the arena numbers are low, and i'm chasing a small dar from sector to sector, or trying to catch that 1 red dot in a radar ring that doesn't want to turn around and fight.
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Originally posted by storch
I believe the rooks are horrible base takers but rulers of the air. I think we also suffer from a collective and mild form of autism.
Yes we are horible base takers. I love it when we get 30-40 guys up in la's, pony's, spits's, jug's, 110's, b17s and b24, and we hit a base hard. We kill radar, FHs, BHs, and VH but we always forget to bring the goon. :lol
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The absolute worst, IMHO: The vapid drivel on 200 that people actually pass off as smack talk these days.
Not too far off in the distant past, one could get in an amusing and sometimes clever exchange of smack talk. Now, the mindless insults and taunts like " I own you" pervade ch 200.
I don't mind being on the receiving end of a zinger that has some wit to it. Too often now it's some random insult that one could have read of any AH bathroom wall.
Hint to you wannabe smack talkers: "You HOtard pickdweeb, DA now!" is not smack talk, it's a whine about being shot down and anyone with at least 2 functioning synapses in their brain knows it.
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Best = Killing lots of red guys and dispossessing them of their bases.
Worst = Dive bombing / bailing heavy bombers. Suiciders and runners. Those with repetitive moans, hourly for some on 200, about ganged, ho'ed, cherried and any other excuse for getting in to deep.... Not avoiding a potential HO..... Lack of SA and bruised ego.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The absolute worst, IMHO: The vapid drivel on 200 that people actually pass off as smack talk these days.
That's a pretty good reply I think.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The absolute worst, IMHO: The vapid drivel on 200 that people actually pass off as smack talk these days.
Not too far off in the distant past, one could get in an amusing and sometimes clever exchange of smack talk. Now, the mindless insults and taunts like " I own you" pervade ch 200.
I don't mind being on the receiving end of a zinger that has some wit to it. Too often now it's some random insult that one could have read of any AH bathroom wall.
Hint to you wannabe smack talkers: "You HOtard pickdweeb, DA now!" is not smack talk, it's a whine about being shot down and anyone with at least 2 functioning synapses in their brain knows it.
ok steve you poopy covered dripping with baby food diaper changing MAAAAAAAA, what's the best part of the game for you? :D
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Hmmm good question:
Best---Good 1vs1 fights, GV battles (not spawn camps but battles), Killing an enemy or getting killed by enemy and then talking and befriending them, new friends ships, common bond between people for a love of historical aviation, 30K bomber missions, two planed fighter sweeps, JU-87s, Attempting to kill CV through ACK wall with TBM, JU-88 and torps. Sneaky ingenious missions
Bad---Score Dweebs, Vulching landing planes, Egotistical in game personas, bushes that roll over tigers, 8 vs 1 fights, one country claiming horde unless its their country hording. 200 banter of HOtard, Rammer. Extreme alt pilots that orbit around base waiting for one guy to up.
Other than that, I love this game. And I am very happy to have talked with many of you. And for the ones I don't know <>
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Originally posted by storch
In your opinion what are the best and worst aspect of this game?
The best: Close-in knife fighting against someone who is just a bit better than you are. These are the sweaty-palms fights that make it worth coming back year after year after year.
The worst: The map reset "goal." Winning the war causes what I consider to be the worst behavior for a dogfighting game - vulching and ganging. Having said that, I recognize that it's also a big draw for a lot of people, so I consider it to be a necessary evil. I have been most fortunate to find a niche where map resets are not a problem.
- oldman
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dont really care about best and worst . being that im in 1 of sqauds you where refering to i was commenting on that.
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Originally posted by Jeff W
dont really care about best and worst . being that im in 1 of sqauds you where refering to i was commenting on that.
I missed the part where storch named any squads?
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The Good:
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Best: as in the world of chess: Having a good hard fight (win or lose) with an opponent that is very close in skill level to yourself. Nothing beats that. I would no more berate someone who beat me in a good fight, than kick in a fine stain glass window. To note: this should be done in the DA - NOT the main arenas.
Also good: enjoying all aspects of the game and learning to get good at everything: 1vs1, many VS many, GVing, divebombing, level bombing, field gunning, base captures - whatever - to me what keeps the game fresh is there's just so many ways to play the game and have fun.
The Bad:
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The biggest dweeb of all is a skilled player who thinks he's an uber ace, and just starts whining and complaining when he gets beat (regardless of the situation). Nothing is worse that that.... I mean, you expect that from a n00b, but when a veteran player does it, it makes me wanna puke. I can't stand someone who can't take a loss like a man. watermelon Happens - we've all been on the good end of it, so don't cry like a little girl when you're on the bad end of it.
Also can't stand the furball dweebs in the MA complaining that base capturing shouldn't be done - if you really feel that way, STAY OUT OF OUR ARENA - go to the DA or Axis & Allies - where base capturing is NOT the main focus. Don't like the game play ? STFU, pick up your toys, and go somewhere else!
I love a good 1 on 1 fight like anyone else, but I also enjoy all the other aspects of the game - I firmly believe in letting people play how they want without harassment - unless you're paying their bill, you have no business mouthing off.
Cheaters also suck - you know the type - dual account spying NOE bustin' claim jumpers/rasslers.
Shamroc
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hmmm.. you are not playing for a long time I think.
I began in Warbirds around '98 or so. I've played off and on, usually a year tour or so. But I've played since AH1. I was pretty into it circa 2001, 2003-04, and 2006 and 2007.
I may have generalized a bit too much, but the amount of mindless furballing with no objective is quite a bit more. But hey, spend it how you want. I'll choose and pick my battles.
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Best: Outfighting an LA7 or a Spixteen in my Jug or Mossie..
Worst: Split arenas with the same small maps over and over.. I miss Fighter Town BIG TIME..
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Originally posted by shamroc
Also can't stand the furball dweebs in the MA complaining that base capturing shouldn't be done - if you really feel that way, STAY OUT OF OUR ARENA - go to the DA or Axis & Allies - where base capturing is NOT the main focus. Don't like the game play ? STFU, pick up your toys, and go somewhere else!
While I feel quite uncomfortable defending the furballers, but:
Most spam in countrychannel doesn't come from that guys but from us "strategic" players:
"What a waste of resources!"
"WTG, we just lost another base!"
"ALL ATTACK A25, you XXX!!!"
"Why can't we never get organized?? We suck!"
And all those little generals and their inane chatter about their MISSUNZ (B17 & Spitfire I & LVT's, all 75% fuel taking off from a vulched base)...
:(
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Originally posted by Lusche
And all those little generals and their inane chatter about their MISSUNZ (B17 & Spitfire I & LVT's, all 75% fuel taking off from a vulched base)...
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:lol :lol :lol
So true, so true.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
The game used to be about capturing fields, not follow the congo line to the furball. I guess insert your "I'll do whatever I want with my $15 a month" comment here.
This game has never been about "capturing fields" or winning the "war". It has always been about aerial combat, everything else is geared to encourage that.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by storch
In your opinion what are the best and worst aspect of this game?
You = worst.
Me = best.
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best=waiting for Angry to die before i kill the con on his 6
worst= Angry not playing as much:(
P.S.
He's back by the way
Welcome Back Angry
:D
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Bottomline... This thread is simply just storch once again finding yet another avenue to bash squads he dis-likes... I gurantee it has nothing to do with what people like best or worst about the game.
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The best = This community. I'm not sure another one quite like it exists. I'm sure the "long" flight time to fights helps foster it (kind of hard to get to know people on BF2 or such), but whatever it is, it's great. Any time any one needs any thing, someone is there - even people who don't normally get along. I like that a lot, and it's the thing I think most of our friends and family just don't "get."
The worst = The kid at the playground who starts some trouble with you until you flinch towards him, who then runs off as far and fast as he can, waits for a few of his buddies to get tangled up with you, and then ever so cautiously sneaks back up to you while you're preoccupied... Inches closer and closer... Pauses for a moment, and pokes you in the eye real quick before running away again.
I'm sorry, but that's a fitting description for some of you. Deal with it :D
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Bottomline... This thread is simply just storch once again finding yet another avenue to bash squads he dis-likes... I gurantee it has nothing to do with what people like best or worst about the game.
Yep. He's probably feeling left out now that SkyRock is getting so much attention.
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Originally posted by PATRIOTS
Bottomline... This thread is simply just storch once again finding yet another avenue to bash squads he dis-likes... I gurantee it has nothing to do with what people like best or worst about the game.
Thats a great first post there........................ ............ Shadesboy :D
Best- air to air combat, any kind ! even numbers, out numbered what ever, as long as you fight, Im in !
Worst- HOs to me it just ain't fighting. No class, no skill. It takes balls to work for an angle to take a shot, all the while your enemy has the same chances.
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Originally posted by PATRIOTS
Bottomline... This thread is simply just storch once again finding yet another avenue to bash squads he dis-likes... I gurantee it has nothing to do with what people like best or worst about the game.
so you have no best or worst opinion on the game play?
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Originally posted by RELIC
Yep. He's probably feeling left out now that SkyRock is getting so much attention.
so you have the same opinion as your squaddy? no opinion of your own?
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Originally posted by xNOVAx
Best: Outfighting an LA7 or a Spixteen in my Jug or Mossie..
Worst: Split arenas with the same small maps over and over.. I miss Fighter Town BIG TIME..
you don't think the game play has improved with the splitting of the arenas? I think it's much better now. I think the combination of ENY/split arenas has made the game much more enjoyable.
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Originally posted by storch
you don't think the game play has improved with the splitting of the arenas?
It has. I was never before able to get so many unopposed base captures and bombing runs. :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
It has. I was never before able to get so many unopposed base captures and bombing runs. :D
:rofl
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Best: One of the premire Knight Squads.....Yeah Precision.
Defeating a La-7 with my JUG and then being accused of cheating. The dribble about how I am a score whoring, HOing, cherry pickin moron. The great fights with the LTAR legion of evil doom :aok . The squad of 38 drivers that love to furball with my JUG. Yeah I lose alot but it is fun. Killing a Tiger in M-8 with almost a third of my AP rounds and he never sees me.
Worst: Whinners about a game that you pay a stinking 15 per month. It is the best value out there. If you dont like the game play cancel and get the F out. End of effing story:mad: One more thing BISH:p
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Best:
* Starting at 10k 1 on 1, and still be turning with each other all the way down to the deck, ducking in your chair when tracers fly over your shoulder, and fighting it out until you're out of gas.
* See above, but start 1 on 2.
Worst:
*All of the players that don't engage in my version of "Best"
including but not limited to milk-runners, scorepotatos, cherry pickers that never let the bank angle go over 20 degrees, people that have no other ACM than the HO shot, anti-carrier lemmings, and the entire "win the war" crowd.
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Originally posted by Vudak
The worst = The kid at the playground who starts some trouble with you until you flinch towards him, who then runs off as far and fast as he can, waits for a few of his buddies to get tangled up with you, and then ever so cautiously sneaks back up to you while you're preoccupied... Inches closer and closer... Pauses for a moment, and pokes you in the eye real quick before running away again.
I'm sorry, but that's a fitting description for some of you. Deal with it :D
LMAO, you just described many entire squads and their CO's!!!!!!:rofl :lol WTFG Vudak!
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Originally posted by Shifty
Best- When you die.
Worst- When I die.
Agreed.!
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Best = The Hoard, cherry pickers, vulchers, HO'rs milk runners, strat'ers, HQ bombers, score potatos, armchair generals, squeekers, et al
Worst = pure 1 v 1 co-alt fights
of course you realize that was a joke
Best = when a few random strangers come together and beat back the hoard or un-Cap the base and with stand wave after wave of enemy attackers
Worst = tower queens Nothing burns me up worse than looking at the numbers and seeing only 57% of our players in flight.
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Originally posted by storch
...which consists solely of capturing lightly or completely undefended bases for the apparantly sole purpose of obtaining a low score.
How does this help to obtain a low score? What, blowing up some buildings and the occasional upper will get you a low score?
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Ups your capture score. Usually an important component of having a low rank.
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The Best
Having fun and the friends I've made.
The worst
Dive bombing Lancs and this bbs
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Originally posted by Donzo
How does this help to obtain a low score? What, blowing up some buildings and the occasional upper will get you a low score?
I don't know because I've never had a really low score. perhaps you could educate me. in return I'll teach you the little ACM I know.
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Best- good fights, win or lose.
Worst- people who go out of their way to stop a good fight.
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Best: Having fun............. playing stuff I enjoy.
Worst: being told to play some other way I dont enjoy
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Originally posted by Tilt
Best: Having fun............. playing stuff I enjoy.
Worst: being told to play some other way I dont enjoy
Yep
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Best= Me
worst= everyone but me
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As Shifty said:
Best= They die
Worst= I die
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The absolute worst, IMHO: The vapid drivel on 200 that people actually pass off as smack talk these days.
Not too far off in the distant past, one could get in an amusing and sometimes clever exchange of smack talk. Now, the mindless insults and taunts like " I own you" pervade ch 200.
I don't mind being on the receiving end of a zinger that has some wit to it. Too often now it's some random insult that one could have read of any AH bathroom wall.
Hint to you wannabe smack talkers: "You HOtard pickdweeb, DA now!" is not smack talk, it's a whine about being shot down and anyone with at least 2 functioning synapses in their brain knows it.
Damn it all Steve...you just say it so freaking well:aok
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Originally posted by Tilt
Best: Having fun............. playing stuff I enjoy.
Worst: being told to play some other way I dont enjoy
Perfect:cool:
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Originally posted by Tilt
Best: Having fun............. playing stuff I enjoy.
Worst: being told to play some other way I dont enjoy
So well said...
Shamroc
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
Damn it all Steve...you just say it so freaking well:aok
Read Vudaks post, dweeblet!
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best=
#1 having the opportunity to pretend to be a WW2 fighter pilot.(I dreamed of that from when I was Knee-high to a grasshopper!!)
#2 good fights!!!!!!!!
I also love collision discussions on this board, I absolutely love them!!!
(seriously I do!)
worst= it bugs the crud out of me when someone cant die with their mouth shut... I know why you died ..you fluffied up... don't try to tell the world any different.
HT should disable typing in any text buffer for 1 minute after dieing:aok
I also hate when people "ho n' go" and any other variation of running.:furious
I hate when my variance goes all flakey (one night when nothing else worked I put my cablemodem in a cooler with an ice pack and that seemed to help lol)
#1 I hate when my plane is on a conveyor belt
:lol
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
HT should disable typing in any text buffer for 1 minute after dieing:aok
CH200 would basically be muted then...
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Best: Flying with people I've known for years with a healthy addition of new people and always furballing.
Worst: Egos- made even worse by so many 'vets' that have them now. From challenging someone to the DA and 'the loser cancels his account' to the numerous chest thumping idiocy that gives nothing back to the community.
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Best: Finding a Corsair in the hangar.
Worst. Not having the time to find a Corsair in the hangar.
HONK!
Gooss
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Good - Country banter, jokes, teamwork (when its there)
BAD - ENY, arena caps, uncapturable bases, unporkable fuel
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Best: Prolonged fights with HAs, AKs, Precision, et. al. for control of a base. :aok
Worst: Losing that fight. :mad:
:D
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Originally posted by Delirium
Worst: Egos- made even worse by so many 'vets' that have them now. From challenging someone to the DA and 'the loser cancels his account' to the numerous chest thumping idiocy that gives nothing back to the community.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa - "gives nothing back to the community?
What the heck do you do on your climbout? :D
These boards are golden :aok
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the best- being out #erd and killing them all,or most, and wondering where the others ran off to
the worst- being shot down by a zip code in a 1vs 1.
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Originally posted by ink
the best- being out #erd and killing them all,or most, and wondering where the others ran off to
the worst- being shot down by a zip code in a 1vs 1.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Delirium
Worst: Egos- made even worse by so many 'vets' that have them now. From challenging someone to the DA and 'the loser cancels his account' to the numerous chest thumping idiocy that gives nothing back to the community.
Weenies like you that try and deny you have an ego, are more harmful to the community because you are not being honest!:aok
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Originally posted by Gooss
Best: Finding a Corsair in the hangar.
Worst. Not having the time to find a Corsair in the hangar.
HONK!
Gooss
:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Vudak
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa - "gives nothing back to the community?
What the heck do you do on your climbout? :D
ty VUDAK!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Weenies like you that try and deny you have an ego, are more harmful to the community because you are not being honest!:aok
I dunno. I was in Del's squad for a good long time and have had a few beers with him in real life. He's a laid back guy who just generally likes to shut up and fly :)
Not saying there aren't types like you said, but I think you're off the mark with him :aok
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Best - Good 1v1 close, even, go either way fights.
Worst - The guy that will run for a sector & a half until you break off & all of a sudden he has the courage to engage you. Then after you reverse him he runs another sector & a half, rinse....repeat. THEY DISGUST ME.
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Originally posted by MajWoody
Best - Good 1v1 close, even, go either way fights.
Worst - The guy that will run for a sector & a half until you break off & all of a sudden he has the courage to engage you. Then after you reverse him he runs another sector & a half, rinse....repeat. THEY DISGUST ME.
Why chase the guy a sector and a half before turning around and sucking him back into the fight ?
Shamroc
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Trundeling along at medium alt in a "2nd rate plane"...only to find another guy moseying your way in another bird from the disgard pile. D11 vs Ki-61, 205 vs G2, P38G vs A-20....etc
It's like forrest gumps box of chocolates with all the bad ones taken out. You dont know what your getting but you know it'll be good....
The bad is unfortunately the majority of the squads, including a number I have great respect for historically. Sadly more and more often I see 4,6 or even more ganging a single con. Not only is it bad form but its counterproductive. I wont compare squads or name names beyond the statement that "we" (71st) never break of more then 2 guys for a single if we're flying a sweep. If we have 12-16 guys outbound then we'll break of two and continue on...which is how it was...and should be.
When I "grew up" in the game the major squads were the backbone of "proper game play". They set the standard and challenged everyone to live up to it. It used to take 2-3 years before some squads would even consider considering you for an invite.
Now the majority of the big squads are leading the way in the wrong direction (not all thank god).
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Best: shootin Storch down in AvA over the 'channel', and listening to him whine on 200 about it ..for a *long* . . *long* .. time.
also best: an AW3 dogfight tween 262's starting at co-alt, degrading to on the deck, both of us with holes, and he ran outta gas and hit the water before I did ..just a tremendous fight.
*Then* finding out he was a flight trainer in the USAF (was an awesome fight, kid) ..
..or even earlier, chewin on Mac in AWDos ..he was always at 20k+ in a spit in half time, and I would nail him in my zeke, flyin along at 200ft, 150ias .. as he dove down he was so stiff he couldnt manuever and I knew where he would be, so I shot him as he went by ..over and over again. Then finding out he was an F-15 pilot .. and tellin him he needed to get better to help his 'day job' ..LOL.
Another best: Lee Lauderback sayin I 'wear the airplane' as we return from beatin up the Naval Weapons Training Center in Florida ..in 'Crazy Horse' ..and me knowing it was due to all the years of flyin AW's Mustang, I felt at home doin the pop ups, roll to target, pull off, Immelman, split-S, cuban-eight, loops, etc.
..because I had done them for years in AW.. and the speeds matched.
Yassir . . the fights ..the scenarios .. singles, team, takin one for the team or just plain dishin it out.. hunting a bandit ..meeting people face-to-face and the planar shift that takes place when the stranger says his call sign and all of a sudden ..he's no stranger at all .. Fun stuff.
The Worst: Gettin fragged by a wannabe 'Colonel' squad leader, for laffs, durin a good mission, then bein booted from the squad after being asked to return.
Just about the most idiotic sequence of events I have ever been subjected to.
-Frank aka GE
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The best for me are the people in the game.All the different counties people are from.
2nd best is when you kill the con on your squadies six.
The worst for me is when i take the game too serious and get pissed when i got pawned out there. My wife and kids tell me i play too much and cuss alot sometimes.:furious
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Originally posted by Vudak
I dunno. I was in Del's squad for a good long time and have had a few beers with him in real life. He's a laid back guy who just generally likes to shut up and fly :)
Not saying there aren't types like you said, but I think you're off the mark with him :aok
Just giving him he11 and yes, I believe he has an ego! :p
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That is why I only land proxies... trust me, I am not any good and whatever stats I have can probably back that up.
I can't fight my way out of a wet, ripped paper bag.
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Best: Teamwork
Worst: No teamwork.
I want to say a couple of things. This quote from HT is over used.
Originally posted by hitech
This is a false assumption.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
HiTech
Do you expect him to say "WAIT... a few of you are playing my game wrong!"? He's not a stupid man. He wouldn't do that.
The game has always been mainly about aerial combat. We can all agree on that.
What many disagree about is the objective of the aerial combat. Or, if there should even be an objective.
In the beginning (I am not talking about beta tests), most of the combat that took place was with the objective of winning the war. There were some furballs taking place, but the overall gameplay was in the direction of winning the war.
Somewhere along the line, the gameplay shifted to mostly furballs and little towards winning the war. I'll never forget the time when an enemy CV was shelling our base and I sunk it from the shore battery. A ton of people started screaming at me for sinking the CV. They were furballing with the planes upping off of the CV. Totally ignoring the fact that the base was about to be destroyed. With that shift in gameplay I can think of at least 8 players and some entire squads that left the game, never to return.
Now, gameplay is in flux again. I'm guessing there is about a 50-50 split in the type of players in the game. And this, if anything is causing some problems in and of itself. The battle of which way the game should be played intensifies and I don't ever see it ending.
The only solution I see is for separate arenas for the furballers and the win the war crowd. But, that would never happen voluntarily. Someone would scream "Why should I be limited to arena X" and "I want to play in arena Y".
I see nothing wrong with either style of gameplay. Both have their good and bad points. Gameplay will always shift back and forth. Play what you like, but don't bash the other type of player for doing what he likes. If your furball base gets taken, it's part of the game. On the other side, if a furball/TT base is available and another is too, go after the other base first. Furballers, if you see a reset will happen with the capture of FT/TT bases...you know what's going to happen. I DO disagree with FT/TT bases being taken early in the map. They should be the last bases taken for a reset.
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I've helped swipe bases where the opposition leasts expects it, with the idea that "this will really p!ss them off"-meaning that this will provoke a fight to get it back. And so it does, and usually the fights are pretty damn good.:t
That to me is the best of both worlds: The fog of war, and and then an all out fight for us to progress, or for them to get thier base back. It can go either way, but it's fun.
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thundregg, in other words (not putting words in your post but merely attempting to clarify) you don't prefer to actually fight people, you prefer to fight sheds and then watch others fight?
did I understand you correctly?
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Originally posted by Delirium
I can't fight my way out of a wet, ripped paper bag.
I would agree Del, but you still have an ego! :D
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The best thing is having so many planes to use. The worse thing is having no real targets that matter except hangars.
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Originally posted by storch
thundregg, in other words (not putting words in your post but merely attempting to clarify) you don't prefer to actually fight people, you prefer to fight sheds and then watch others fight?
did I understand you correctly?
(sigh...this is an OLD argument...) If I did not prefer to fight people virtual air/ground craft, then why would I bother to subscribe to a multiplayer game? I fight against others with and end-goal to fight for, win or lose.
If that purpose is not what HT had in mind, then I'm positive he would've changed the rules/parameters of the game by now.
Storch, I don't have a lot of time to become a real great cartoon-pilot. Family and work takes precedence. But there's that rare occasion that I do land kills in some less-than-uber plane, or more often than that, I get my prettythang handed to me by another person in another craft. Ask anyone that has flown with or against me.
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Originally posted by NHawk
I want to say a couple of things. This quote from HT is over used.
Originally posted by HiTech
This is a false assumption.
The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.
HiTech
Do you expect him to say "WAIT... a few of you are playing my game wrong!"? He's not a stupid man. He wouldn't do that.
......[/B]
I'm a little confused here, NHAwk. After all, if the question is "What is the game's designed purpose, how is it SUPPOSED to be played," how can the quote be overused? The Designer himself is directly answering the question, explaining the way the "war" firs in with overall purpose. Aren't you arbitrarily ignoring the possibility that he just might MEAN what he said? Maybe, just maybe, he's actually telling us the truth about what he had in mind?
Bottom line seems to be that resetting is no better and no worse than any other style of play. I only occasionally get into base capture, but I fully appreciate -- and would defend -- your right to enjoy your style of play; why is it seem to bug you so much to see me just fly around and shoot stuff?
And why can't we fly around each other effectively? I'll often up in "defense", trying to kill off guys who are attacking a base...and in doing that, my desire to blow up red stuff HELPS your game play. We can get along just fine, in the same arenas. And after all, we already have arenas that functionally serve as combat (AvA) and capture (EW/MW) arenas...and it appears that most players prefer the mixed approach after all. I'd argue that HT's steadfast refusal to endorse ideas like Fightertown, and his expressed regret that Donut was approved, are evidence that he WANTS different play styles to coexist, side by side.
I'd suggest the best answer is to do what you enjoy, and stop stressing about what other people do. Works great from my end...
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Best is the majority of the cummunity and whatever it is that makes me log on time and time again, even if im really burned out :)
Worst is the "win at all cost" types who needs "competitive" rides like spits lalas and whatever and play like landing kills is the most important thing.
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thundregg I'm not trying to troll you or offend you. I'm looking to see what makes other players tick, what their preferrences are. I think you are a great bomber pile-it. I've seen you know down hangers from 20k+. I could never do that. you are a far better bomber pile-it than I am a fighter pile-it.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Worst is the "win at all cost" types who needs "competitive" rides like spits lalas and whatever and play like landing kills is the most important thing.
Wise man say: Fly what you want to fly and never worry about what (and why) other players fly :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
I would agree Del, but you still have an ego! :D
I guess you're right...
CLICK ME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego)
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Originally posted by Lusche
Wise man say: Fly what you want to fly and never worry about what (and why) other players fly :aok
True and i live by that... the question was what i find worst and i gave the answer ;)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
True and i live by that... the question was what i find worst and i gave the answer ;)
If you find something worst, you are worrying already ;)
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Originally posted by Delirium
I guess you're right...
CLICK ME (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego)
:aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
If you find something worst, you are worrying already ;)
Something always has to be the best and the worst ;)
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Originally posted by Simaril
I'm a little confused here, NHAwk. After all, if the question is "What is the game's designed purpose, how is it SUPPOSED to be played," how can the quote be overused? The Designer himself is directly answering the question, explaining the way the "war" firs in with overall purpose. Aren't you arbitrarily ignoring the possibility that he just might MEAN what he said? Maybe, just maybe, he's actually telling us the truth about what he had in mind?
Bottom line seems to be that resetting is no better and no worse than any other style of play. I only occasionally get into base capture, but I fully appreciate -- and would defend -- your right to enjoy your style of play; why is it seem to bug you so much to see me just fly around and shoot stuff?
And why can't we fly around each other effectively? I'll often up in "defense", trying to kill off guys who are attacking a base...and in doing that, my desire to blow up red stuff HELPS your game play. We can get along just fine, in the same arenas. And after all, we already have arenas that functionally serve as combat (AvA) and capture (EW/MW) arenas...and it appears that most players prefer the mixed approach after all. I'd argue that HT's steadfast refusal to endorse ideas like Fightertown, and his expressed regret that Donut was approved, are evidence that he WANTS different play styles to coexist, side by side.
I'd suggest the best answer is to do what you enjoy, and stop stressing about what other people do. Works great from my end...
Sim, if you read my whole reply you'd find that I personally defend both styles of play. And, I simply described how gameplay has changed over the years.
The reason I think the quote is over used is because it's always used to defend one style of play not the other. When in fact HT is endorsing both styles of play with that statement.
And if you read the last paragraph in my post you'd find I come to the same conclusion as you, except I use more words :) ...
I see nothing wrong with either style of gameplay. Both have their good and bad points. Gameplay will always shift back and forth. Play what you like, but don't bash the other type of player for doing what he likes. If your furball base gets taken, it's part of the game. On the other side, if a furball/TT base is available and another is too, go after the other base first. Furballers, if you see a reset will happen with the capture of FT/TT bases...you know what's going to happen. I DO disagree with FT/TT bases being taken early in the map. They should be the last bases taken for a reset.
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Sorry for the misinterpretation...
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the best
when you get or give a big (S) fighting with a guy you know is better then you.
flying with a bunch of people you don't really know and having a good time with them
the worst
you can't go online and do the best things
my 2 cents
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Originally posted by Simaril
Sorry for the misinterpretation...
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The Best: Being FBBone and getting to play the game with the relatively small, yet close-knit group of friends that I have made over the years, and adding to that group every time I log in.:aok
The worst: Being FBBone and dieing, regularly, to an extremely large, rather loose-knit and ever expanding group of friends that I have made over the years.:mad:
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Laugh? Sigh? Scratch your head?
Just observations of stupidity...
The other night after scanning the map, I decide on a launch and target field. On the way there I watch a friendly mission on dar change heading toward the field I'm going to. They are going to arrive there before me. There goes the idea of finding a few secluded fight, but oh well. When I get to the enemy field, I see ack, VH, & FH is down, and percent of town reports are being given on range channel. Good mission I think. Then as I orbit and survey the situation, I watch with zero enemy resistance, these guys continue to flatten the field until no destroyable object was left standing. All the while, range chatter inticates the map room will be taken in short order. Wtf? Are these guys that retarded? Or just afraid to actually have to fight a live person?
That was the extent of the land grab in that area the 3+ hours I was on. The reason being that the 'mishun' guys that have so much fun landgrabbing, shot themselves and their local countrymen in the foot by an unwarrented porking of our front line field that otherwise could have supported future land grab/fights. Yes, I critiqued at the time. Yes, I complained (whined if you prefer) for the next hour everytime I was inconvienienced to another field with the resources I wanted because I knew who porked the field. Yes, I know I could resupply the field, but I'm not the retard who porked our own resources needlessly!
Edit: I know the reply to this one..."Too many times that lone La7 has gotten up and killed the goon". Re-read it, no FH, no VH, no resistance. If 20 guys can't keep something from getting from the field to the town, you don't deserve to get the capture.
Here's another one. Late night, low numbers, two fields furballing back and forth. Eventually, inevitably, one side gets a numbers advantage. I know from experience, when it's a limited number of enemies at off-peak times you have to extend a small bit of curtousy if you don't want to be left playing with yourselves. It's nice when everyone else around knows that also, but it is becomming rare.
"There's only a couple guys willing to up, at least let them get out of ack"
BOOM
"Comon guys at least take turns or they'll leave"
BOOM
"Guess they all logged, I'm logging too"
"Have fun playing with yourselves idiots"
On the other hand, I've continued to have hours more fun in the same situation, when the guys with the numbers have the sense enough to allow the few willing opposers at least a chance of fighting for a bit.
I also love the off-peak furball killer. There will be a CV off shore, just at the edge of visible range from the field. 30+ players are just having fun going at it, and nobody is making a serious effort to capture the field, or sink the CV. Along comes the crack bomber pilot from 4 sectors away to deal with this threat to their national security. Thank you. Thank you so much for sinking that CV. Your other 18 countrymen that have been enjoying the game defending that area thank you. Even the 15 enemy players thank you for removing the uncomfortable experience of competing with actual live players from that situation. You're my hero.
So from a previous reply, I agree with:
The best- The community
and I'll add The worst- The people :)
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There's only a couple guys willing to up, at least let them get out of ack" Guess they all logged, I'm logging too"
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Switch sides dude. I got tired of rook hordes so I log on and immediately switch to the side w/ the fewest people.. unless that's bish*, of course.
*luckily, they are never lowest.
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The best for me: like so many have said before, is a good fight win or lose.
Also coming out victorious when fighting a 2v1, or 3v1, or more v1, me being the one. Unfortunately it doesn't happen near enuff. ;)
Working a high bandit down and killing him.
The worst are the dweebs who run the second they lose their advantage. especially when they are in a supposedly superior ride. And I do mean run, three sectors is not extending. The no skill smack talkers on 200.
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Don't matter, Ive been on every angle of that situation. The other night, I was on the low side, and the fight carried for quite awhile until the other guys could no longer contain their stupidity and decided to pigpile on the 7-8 of us who had been willing to fight. All 5-6 of us on channel logged within 10 mins of each other, and the couple off channel people at least left the area. What did that get the number guys (knights in this instance)? No more people to fight. Maybe that's what they wanted in the first place?
Just another instance of screwing yourself out of resources (in this case oppoents).
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Originally posted by SIK1
The dweebs who run the second they lose their advantage. especially when they are in a supposedly superior ride.
I'm never running in my Tempest. I'm tactically repositioning myself :D
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The best : The dogfights ... a well executed capture ... a tenacious field defense ... squaddies.
The worst : The verbal diarreha that constantly stinks up CH 200.
Quoted by Humble ...
When I "grew up" in the game the major squads were the backbone of "proper game play". They set the standard and challenged everyone to live up to it.
That was so very true ... where did that mindset go ? I would give my eye teeth to have that "community" back again.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The best : The dogfights ... a well executed capture ... a tenacious field defense ... squaddies.
The worst : The verbal diarreha that constantly stinks up CH 200.
Quoted by Humble ...
When I "grew up" in the game the major squads were the backbone of "proper game play". They set the standard and challenged everyone to live up to it.
That was so very true ... where did that mindset go ? I would give my eye teeth to have that "community" back again.
That mindset disappeared with new squad leaders entering the game thinking they knew it all. They refused to listen to the experience of the old rule. Some new leaders even cursed the old leaders for not listening to them and the game changed from there.
With that the major horde tactic was born and fighting true battles became less important. Battles still happen, but not in the same tactical or situational way they use to.
That's not a bash on furballs, they've always existed even in the "old days". It's a general overall observation.
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Originally posted by NHawk
That mindset disappeared with new squad leaders entering the game thinking they knew it all. They refused to listen to the experience of the old rule. Some new leaders even cursed the old leaders for not listening to them and the game changed from there.
With that the major horde tactic was born and fighting true battles became less important. Battles still happen, but not in the same tactical or situational way they use to.
The question was somewhat rhetorical ... cause I knew the answer ... but I am glad that someone else sees it too and put it down in black and white.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
The question was somewhat rhetorical ... cause I knew the answer ... but I am glad that someone else sees it too and put it down in black and white.
I had to say it because it still bothers me to this day. And it bothers me even more when the end result is a respected squad leader telling me "Our place is in the history of air combat sims, not the present or the future." and that he won't return.
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The best aspect for me is a huge mission. But not just to take the base, to blow a sector apart. I enjoy it. I think most of my squad does too. Thats why we do it. Problem is getting em all on line. Which hopefully one day that will happen. Then we can actually blow the living ch!t out of a quadrant.
The worst. My lost sleep.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Read Vudaks post, dweeblet!
I did...the irony is that I thought he was referring to certain l33t fiter sqwads 262s, 109s, tempests missunz:D i guess perspective is everything...
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Originally posted by SlapShot
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Quoted by Humble ...
When I "grew up" in the game the major squads were the backbone of "proper game play". They set the standard and challenged everyone to live up to it.
That was so very true ... where did that mindset go ? I would give my eye teeth to have that "community" back again. [/B]
Man, I wish I could have been there then.
You and NHawk have made me nostalgic for I time I never saw.
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so the past is best and the present worst?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Quoted by Humble ...
When I "grew up" in the game the major squads were the backbone of "proper game play". They set the standard and challenged everyone to live up to it.
Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?
Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?
Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.
A sortie last night got me thinking about this. I'm tempted to start a thread with a Kweassa-length post to discuss it, and then skip out to Virginia over the weekend to leave you all to yell about it :)
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Originally posted by Delirium
Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent.
Do you have enough information to make this kind of statement? Some newbs are arrogant little know it all's that do not want the help. They do not care to learn about acm's because it does not mean anything to them(acm's are not an important part of scorehoring). I tried to teach AXER one day, the next day I upped from a vulched field and chased him 1 sector before getting ganged by his newbmen! 4 months later, the same thing, chased him 1 1/2 sectors, except this time, my 4-hog caught him....he was an easy kill, and had no reversal for me at all!:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Do you have enough information to make this kind of statement? Some newbs are arrogant little know it all's that do not want the help. They do not care to learn about acm's because it does not mean anything to them(acm's are not an important part of scorehoring). I tried to teach AXER one day, the next day I upped from a vulched field and chased him 1 sector before getting ganged by his newbmen! 4 months later, the same thing, chased him 1 1/2 sectors, except this time, my 4-hog caught him....he was an easy kill, and had no reversal for me at all!:aok
:O ... umm ... how ... how can that be true !!! ... he is RANKED #1 ... I mean ... he has got to be REAL good to be RANKED #1 ... right ?
I mean ... when I see him in the same arena as me ... I stay far away cause I don't want to get pwned ... ya know what I mean ?
:rofl
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Originally posted by Delirium
Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?
Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.
I tried when the influx of sqeekers started ... and all I got was smart-assed answers back for my trouble.
It is far easier for them to fly in the crowd, pick, and run back to see their name in lights and get a WTFG !!! for 2 measly kills.
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Originally posted by Delirium
Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?
Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.
I can 1/2 agree with you on this.
The main cause of the change is the need for instant gratification. People want to be in a squad NOW. They don't want to wait until...
A) Their personality can be evaluated to see if the fit in a particular squad.
B) Their talent can be evaluated to see how much training they need.
C) Someone is willing to teach them.
As for me, I was watched by the Buffalos for a year before being asked to join the squad. Even then "I" didn't feel I was good enough to be in a squad and didn't accept the invitation until a year later. So, I was squadless for my first 2 years in WWII flight sims.
People just don't do that now. They form a squad and invite anyone that will join. And most will join because they want to be in a squad NOW.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
:O ... umm ... how ... how can that be true !!! ... he is RANKED #1 ... I mean ... he has got to be REAL good to be RANKED #1 ... right ?
I mean ... when I see him in the same arena as me ... I stay far away cause I don't want to get pwned ... ya know what I mean ?
:rofl
:rofl
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Originally posted by Delirium
Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?
I agree with the premiss, but I don't think that is the cause. At least not the main cause. I see a number of people who quietly help newer players learn the same way I did before becomming a trainer.
I think Pyro nailed it when he explained the arena split. It's growth. With a small community, etiquette for good game play can be peer pressured into effect. Most people don't want to be an 'outsider', in the minority, and disliked. AH has grown, and slowly what had once been frowned upon, and those playing that way, are now the norm. The crowd that has a different, and some might say, lower standard of gameplay have the majority. And it's not about playing the game 'my way' or 'your way', it's about a style of gameplay that lowers the enjoyment of everyone, friend or foe without a second thought.
They've succeded in breaking the large hordes into less frequent smaller hordes with the arena splits, but I think the part about having smaller neighborhoods has been ineffective. The arena choices now are: 2 arenas with the full plane set, and 3 with progressively limited planesets. The setup does not have a 'hook' to give enough people a reason to call an arena their home. Until they find a setup where each arena gets it's own personallity and sub-community beyond consisting of just a handful of people, they won't get their smaller 'neighborhoods'. Without that, there's no real effective arena ettiquette because it's mob rule.
Still I choose to call out gameplay stupidity when I see it. I don't expect it do anything, but maybe a few spectators might be swayed. Hence the differing opinion than you in another active thread.
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Best: Winning a HO
Worst: Colliding trying to win a HO
:huh
Really...
Best: Extended 1 on 1 ('s to SlapShot and Agent360 for some good ones recently and to many others in the past)
Worst: 1 vs 10 gang bangers (get some skill... you really NEED 10?)
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Ok.
I got a *huge* laugh outta
'I blame the vets'
Here's a quick question for Delirium:
How many years have you spent training new players?
Better yet, do you know what airspeed you can be at, and do a full-on descending Immelman coming out at less than 50' in every single airplane the sim offers?
I did, among many other bits of info that you had to know to be good in your ride and your opponents ride.
I'll tell you why I do not train new players anymore, after I had done so for several years *before* there was an AW training academy.
I was at the top of my game, and it was truly a pleasure to pass on some of what I knew to someone just figuring out how to get the gear up after takeoff. The art of Boom and Zoom, knife fighting, how to engage and disengage ..and how to develope a shooting eye.. I was good at it.
The 'dueling' jerkoffs began showin up just to 'duel' me ..they'd disrupt any training I was tryin to setup, spamming text and just being jerkoffs in general.
I grew to despise dueling.
During that time frame .. I never lost.
It felt stupid to me to have to show some loud mouth dweeb that yes .. after spending years learning all the capabilities of the plane he thought he was 'hot' in .. that if he made a single mistake .. he was mine.
And they always made mistakes.
Always.
I figured if I spanked 'em hard perhaps they'd let me do some training.
Never happened.
I got fed up, the AWTA was just winding up, and I told the trainers at the time I just could not see disrupting their classes with the jerkoffs that always seemed to show up when I was there.
But hey .. that's just me.
I was payin $6/hr to be there, my monthly bill was over $1k/mo for a long time.
-GE aka Frank
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GrayEagle...If you're DmdGE....
what you voluntarily taught me in very early AOL AW stays with me to today. Our fights were short and always ended in me dieing. So I never beat you, but the things you taught me to counteract the B&Z are still there. You were/are one of the best sticks, if not the best stick I've ever seen.
If you're not damned.. anyway. :)
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Originally posted by storch
I was wondering how other players felt about the game and what keeps them playing or what causes them to want to leave?
The game alone used to keep me interested. That's now no longer the case. Flying with buddies out ranks finding Aces High interesting and exciting.
I wish that were no so.
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Originally posted by Hap
The game alone used to keep me interested. That's now no longer the case. Flying with buddies out ranks finding Aces High interesting and exciting.
I wish that were no so.
I suspect this is true for a goodly number of players. it is true for me as well in many respects.
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
Here's a quick question for Delirium:
How many years have you spent training new players?
I was an AW trainer and I've done what I can here, as well. Maybe I didn't have the $1k bills a month, but I tried to give back...
Look, I understand you can be a little bitter not be able to hold official classes in the past but I stand by what I said in the text above.
Sometimes, showing the new players the light headed enjoyment of engaging aircraft and really whipping them instead of 'one pass, haul ass' is what the game needs. Currently, you often see 10+ cons attacking a mostly undefended base while the other side has 10+ cons attacking the opposing side's undefended base.
I do agree with you on one point, dueling isn't always the best trainer.
Also, when I said 'I blame the vets', it was mostly aimed at the score whoring from 'vets' that is so prevelent in AH today.
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Originally posted by Latrobe
Yes we are horible base takers. I love it when we get 30-40 guys up in la's, pony's, spits's, jug's, 110's, b17s and b24, and we hit a base hard. We kill radar, FHs, BHs, and VH but we always forget to bring the goon. :lol
"Arts and Crafts" :cool:
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Originally posted by Delirium
Also, when I said 'I blame the vets', it was mostly aimed at the score whoring from 'vets' that is so prevelent in AH today.
Scraping the dead horse out of the ditch, but I wish they'd turn off the scoring - even if it was a voluntary thing where you could turn your own score off.
You'd see the game completely change for the better if they turned off scoring. "Back in the days" of Airwarrior and early Warbirds, good pilots were recognized by fighting ability, not K/D or rank. If you wanted to make a name for yourself, you had to earn it by word of mouth.
I've found the best sticks in AH today have a K/D of 1.5 to 2 at the most - the guys with the super high scores are nowhere near as good, but unfortunately, it seems everyone is rated by their scores by and large.
Shamroc
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but unfortunately, it seems everyone is rated by their scores by and large.
Not in my book then aren't.
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Originally posted by Delirium
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Also, when I said 'I blame the vets', it was mostly aimed at the score whoring from 'vets' that is so prevelent in AH today.
I don't think the pattern comes from the vets much at all. It may have more to do with the environment itself being much more crowded than it must have been in the past.
Yesterday I got talking with the CO of a squad that plays a very different game, oriented completely toward staying alive and getting their squad ranked. These guys are not the "vets" you've been talking about -- when I looked up their squad, I didnt recognize any of the names and it turns out that only 10%-15% are in the top THOUSAND for fighter rank. And mind you, they play for rank.
The CO -- not a kid -- said he teaches his guys to "fly like they did historically." To him, this means don't engage alone, don't get in unless you have an overwhelming tactical advantage, don't take risks, keep your focus on the immediate goal (ie, getting base captures, scoring vehicle points, killing enemies). An entire squad, measuring itself by score...and chasing it not by "filling in the blanks" with PT rockets, but by deliberately avoiding challenges.
Now its their $15, and if that's what they want to do then its no skin off my back. But I think it shows that there are subsets in AH that have given up on the kind of combat success that the early vets pursued. And talking to him reminded me of the many conversations I've had with gys who arent all that interested in getting better at combat.
I think many players have been overwhelmed by the learning curve, and have tried to find any way they can to feel successful, even at the cost of giving up on ACM. In my few years here, I've run into more than a few who've literally said "I'll never be good in fighters" and have no interest trying any more. It's like "learned helplessness," when Pavlov's dogs got shocked without reason or recourse enough that they stopped trying to get away, even when the straps were removed. But in this case, rather than stop playing, they've found a niche, or a squad, that lets them have fun without developing more skills.
The vets may have helped indirectly with the "learned helplessness" -- its overwhelming to come up against guys with a decade's ACM. Yesterday after having 3 "good fights" where my rolling scissor, or energy management, or gunnery wasnt quite good enough, I decided to go someplace the Muppets weren't flying. Multiply that feeling by 10, and take away the deliberate learning I've tried to get, and you can see that AH will make many feel like a caveman trying to understand PC design.
I think thats the nature of the problem. A huge community, an overwhelmingly difficult challenge, and a desire to feel successful. I'm not sure there's a solution for that, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by Simaril
its overwhelming to come up against guys with a decade's ACM.
I was with you until here, Simaril. But I just don't think that this "I'm quitting because I get shot down too much" should be supported in any way. Of course you're going to get shot down by people who are better than you, and of course, when you first begin, that will happen every time. It happened to you when you started, it happened to me when I first started. Heck, I've been playing AW or AH for eleven years now, and it's STILL happening to me - plenty of people here own me every time we meet. If you can't take that as a part of learning, then I really think you SHOULD move on to something else. Some people play checkers, some play chess, whichever you prefer is no reflection on your value to humanity.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I was with you until here, Simaril. But I just don't think that this "I'm quitting because I get shot down too much" should be supported in any way. Of course you're going to get shot down by people who are better than you, and of course, when you first begin, that will happen every time. It happened to you when you started, it happened to me when I first started. Heck, I've been playing AW or AH for eleven years now, and it's STILL happening to me - plenty of people here own me every time we meet. If you can't take that as a part of learning, then I really think you SHOULD move on to something else. Some people play checkers, some play chess, whichever you prefer is no reflection on your value to humanity.
- oldman
Oh, I'm not quitting at all -- I keep trying, step by step. Even last night, I kept upping and running into an Army of Muppets....until I got tired of it, and decided to go someplace I could blow stuff up.
I think most people have a "schooled" limit -- a place where dying without success just gets old. And, just like I was saying, we all have a way that we define success. For me, that's giving some lead back now and then. Others might be able to get owned 20 times straight without getting discouraged, but I get discouraged faster than that, unless I'm landing a punch here and there too (not necessarily akill, just getting a few licks in.)
Also, I had just come from the DA (not a place I go often at all), and had been repeatedly owned in there. After each match, I asked where I went wrong and what I could have done better. But, still, not getting to shoot at all for an hour (like I said, pwned), followed by 3 straight splats after fights with muppets, well, I had enough.
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Originally posted by Simaril
"fly like they did historically." To him, this means don't engage alone, don't get in unless you have an overwhelming tactical advantage, don't take risks, keep your focus on the immediate goal
That is generally how I fly scenarios... I'll cheap shot, horde, and work a single bandit with a whole squadron just to keep us all safe.
I don't understand doing this in the MA however, it seems like an incredible waste of time and makes for some boring nights.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Others might be able to get owned 20 times straight without getting discouraged
Most recently, you need only ask Maha or Dedalos about their ratio against Oldman.
Simaril, I've flown with and against you, and you are one of the better sticks here. You got that way by coming back, again and again, against people who could teach you how to improve. I don't think we should weaken that process by making things easier for new folks.
- oldman (...er...was that clear?)
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Originally posted by shamroc
.... it seems everyone is rated by their scores by and large.
Shamroc
Disagree 100%.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Most recently, you need only ask Maha or Dedalos about their ratio against Oldman.
Simaril, I've flown with and against you, and you are one of the better sticks here. You got that way by coming back, again and again, against people who could teach you how to improve. I don't think we should weaken that process by making things easier for new folks.
- oldman (...er...was that clear?)
ah ah ah ah aaaaaaaaaaaaa ah OM kills don't count.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Most recently, you need only ask Maha or Dedalos about their ratio against Oldman.
Simaril, I've flown with and against you, and you are one of the better sticks here. You got that way by coming back, again and again, against people who could teach you how to improve. I don't think we should weaken that process by making things easier for new folks.
- oldman (...er...was that clear?)
Getting the feeling that I gave a wrong impression. I don't think the game should be made easier in any way...in fact, I think that it succeeds primarily BECAUSE it's so deep and challenging. No game I've ever tried ha kept my interest for more than a month or two, but this one (and its community) has held me for almost 4 years (and counting).
All I was trying to get across is this -- I think that not everyone reacts to the challenge the same way. It took me a long time to wrap my head around the idea that some people simply don't want to get better at it, but keep playing anyway. Maybe they find a groove they're comfortable with, and stay right there....and to them, every time they step out of the zone of what they can do comfortably, and find that they get smashed, it reinforces their decision to keep to what they know they can do.
And I think that's a big part of the differences the old timers see. The bigger arenas, the difficulty of leaving or fighting the horde, the very long path to being good in fighters all make it harder to hang in -- and easier to follow the path of least resistance. I think vets can be a big part of helping people escape that path, but I don't think its the vets fault that the easy path is attractive. No matter what, though, we have to admit that there are people who flat out aren't interested in learning more.
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I have a new worst: all the H2H whining
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worster than black power?
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Aye NHawk I am Damned Grayeagle :)
Delirium, I am glad you spent the time to teach some folks.
Most don't.
Personally.. I've always regarded the MA as the place to practice the skills I need when I fly scenarios ..a place to meet other enthusiasts ..and a great place to just have some fun.
I have to admit .. I dont go there much anymore.
After so long doin this and other computer games..
..I didnt realize how out of shape I had become.
Decided it was time to find somethin that involved 'outside' and meeting other folks ..so I got a black Vette (which means.. I gotta clean it every other day or so) ..and the clubs, cruises, meets, car shows ..just what I needed :)
-GE
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Originally posted by Grayeagle
Decided it was time to find somethin that involved 'outside' and meeting other folks ..so I got a black Vette (which means.. I gotta clean it every other day or so) ..and the clubs, cruises, meets, car shows ..just what I needed :)
-GE
That sounds a little more expensive than $15 / month . . .
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you can also wake up at 0500 and run for an hour that costs nothing and gives you something
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Originally posted by storch
worster than black power?
Don't make me call Jessie and Rev. Al on you!
J/K...I can't stand those fools. Maybe in another thread at another time I'll explain what I mean by proud black man.
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Originally posted by storch
In mine the very best is finding someone who is willing to fight and not run to ack or run three sectors.
funny how things change over time, eh? ;)
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Originally posted by ghi
Best :
-vulching in Comet
- massive B26/B24s videocardbuster mission
Worst:- 120 caps with 150 players online combined
:rofl Exactly what i was going to say!
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Aye storch ..run for an hour an burn 700 calories.
Or .. not have a cheeseburger.
Hmm .. tough choice.
(opts for the one-less cheeseburger in a day)
Google the 'Hackers Diet' ..it's a bit of an education.
-Frank (btw, down 78lbs from my personal 'best' of 368 ..losin about a pound a week ..simply from not havin that 'one cheeseburger' a day :)
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the thing with running GE is the high you get after you stop running. it becomes an I need thing.
last night a neighbor from across the lake called that they were moving some new furniture up to second floor of his house and that it was too heavy for he his wife and daughters to do alone. since I hadn't run yesterday because we had people over early and they stayed most of the day I decided to run there instead of driving. with threats of taking away his computer I coerved my 16 yr old to accompany me on the run. he sullenly got into his running gear and met me outside where I was stretching my legs out.
my boy comes out through the front door and says let's go tersely. the kid took at a sprint but about half way there I caught him and kept to his pace. we arrived at haddad's home did the deed had a margarita or two chatted for a bit then ran home the long way around the lake. again the kid takes off again I catch him and keep his pace. the upside is that while the kid has no clue what a feat that was for a fifty year old fat man to do I'm sure it must have made some impression. in thirty five when his dad is happily performing coffin kata perhaps he will reflect on that long ago late summer's evening when his old dad matched his pace for over a mile and it will inspire to maintain himself physically fit in that possibly far more sedentary reality he may find himself in.
or not. 215lbs today slow attaining the 195lbs I'm looking for.
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BEST: Pwning dweeb rides and knocking off thier training wheels out from under them in my p38 :D
Worst: Going to a base and seeing nothing but spit 16's at 20k and LA7's, 190d's and the rest of the dweeb family of planes, doesnt anyone belive in flying a challenging A/C and getting proficient in it anymore (ie p38, p40, 110, ect....)?
Very Worst: Losing half my plane to a one ping wonder fom a spit 16 or la7.
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Originally posted by ScorpCH
Very Worst: Losing half my plane to a one ping wonder fom a spit 16 or la7.
Even more worse ... people that think that they die to just one ping.
It's near impossible to just fire 1 bullet ... be it machine gun or cannon ... and if you thought that your heard just 1 ping ... thats because you took a round to the head and you (the pilot) dies immediately and you don't/can't hear the rest of the rounds riddleing your plane/cockpit.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Even more worse ... people that think that they die to just one ping.
It's near impossible to just fire 1 bullet ... be it machine gun or cannon ... and if you thought that your heard just 1 ping ... thats because you took a round to the head and you (the pilot) dies immediately and you don't/can't hear the rest of the rounds riddleing your plane/cockpit.
Half true, I think. I think if you hear 1 ping you probably took 10. Your FE does not play a sound for every ping you took. So although it is possible to take a single ping as you fly through a stream of bullets, if you died to it you either had accumulated enough damage already and all that was needed was a single bullet or you took several hits but only heard one.
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Originally posted by storch
the thing with running GE is the high you get after you stop running. it becomes an I need thing.
. . . . . . .
since I hadn't run yesterday because we had people over early and they stayed most of the day I decided to run there instead of driving.
WOW :O
What we have here is a good example of how your behavior in AH reflects to your day to day life.
He is addicted to running. he needs to run but he didn't since he had a horde of friendlies around him. He did not run a single time while they were there but as soon as they left, he found an excuse to run. In addition, he send out a friendly ahead of him just in case, but went back into formation with him as soon as the all clear was given.
Amazing :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SlapShot
It's near impossible to just fire 1 bullet ... be it machine gun or cannon ...
You can with the new B-25's cannon :D
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and you will die from that one ping
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Best= Being able to play the game like I want.Ppl that ask before jumping in your fight.
Worst= Ppl that incite conflict in game chat or on bbs just because they can.
That la7 and spit XVI are not perked. Oh and trolls.
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Originally posted by Donzo
You can with the new B-25's cannon :D
:O ... so true.
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hmmm.... seems that most here like the fight the most.. that they hate HO and hordes and milkrunning but...
All I ever see in the arenas is 300 or so people all hiding from each other unless they have at least a 3 to one advantage with 6 to one being much preferred.
I am learning that the FM2 is the fastest plane in the game... one way... I can get to a clump or red planes faster than the 20 of my countrymen headed there in every gee wiz plane HT has put in the game.
A lot of kills usually means that I get to kill a couple and then the other six on me crash into the ground or water or killshoot each other after missing the HO.
lazs
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Originally posted by Murdr
Laugh? Sigh? Scratch your head?
Just observations of stupidity...
The other night after scanning the map, I decide on a launch and target field. On the way there I watch a friendly mission on dar change heading toward the field I'm going to. They are going to arrive there before me. There goes the idea of finding a few secluded fight, but oh well. When I get to the enemy field, I see ack, VH, & FH is down, and percent of town reports are being given on range channel. Good mission I think. Then as I orbit and survey the situation, I watch with zero enemy resistance, these guys continue to flatten the field until no destroyable object was left standing. All the while, range chatter inticates the map room will be taken in short order. Wtf? Are these guys that retarded? Or just afraid to actually have to fight a live person?
That was the extent of the land grab in that area the 3+ hours I was on. The reason being that the 'mishun' guys that have so much fun landgrabbing, shot themselves and their local countrymen in the foot by an unwarrented porking of our front line field that otherwise could have supported future land grab/fights. Yes, I critiqued at the time. Yes, I complained (whined if you prefer) for the next hour everytime I was inconvienienced to another field with the resources I wanted because I knew who porked the field. Yes, I know I could resupply the field, but I'm not the retard who porked our own resources needlessly!
Edit: I know the reply to this one..."Too many times that lone La7 has gotten up and killed the goon". Re-read it, no FH, no VH, no resistance. If 20 guys can't keep something from getting from the field to the town, you don't deserve to get the capture.
Here's another one. Late night, low numbers, two fields furballing back and forth. Eventually, inevitably, one side gets a numbers advantage. I know from experience, when it's a limited number of enemies at off-peak times you have to extend a small bit of curtousy if you don't want to be left playing with yourselves. It's nice when everyone else around knows that also, but it is becomming rare.
"There's only a couple guys willing to up, at least let them get out of ack"
BOOM
"Comon guys at least take turns or they'll leave"
BOOM
"Guess they all logged, I'm logging too"
"Have fun playing with yourselves idiots"
On the other hand, I've continued to have hours more fun in the same situation, when the guys with the numbers have the sense enough to allow the few willing opposers at least a chance of fighting for a bit.
I also love the off-peak furball killer. There will be a CV off shore, just at the edge of visible range from the field. 30+ players are just having fun going at it, and nobody is making a serious effort to capture the field, or sink the CV. Along comes the crack bomber pilot from 4 sectors away to deal with this threat to their national security. Thank you. Thank you so much for sinking that CV. Your other 18 countrymen that have been enjoying the game defending that area thank you. Even the 15 enemy players thank you for removing the uncomfortable experience of competing with actual live players from that situation. You're my hero.
So from a previous reply, I agree with:
The best- The community
and I'll add The worst- The people :)
:aok :aok
Couldnt have said it any better....
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Lasz is old and I usually don't value his opinion or even read what he posts, but he is right...the FM2 is a pretty awesome and undervalued plane.
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I know wether or not my plane has parts or not on it. i know the differnce between losing a flap, or and elevator. just cause my plane is hit doesnt mean its going down BUT, usualy when you get a heavy ping from a spit or LA7, the tilting ot the left or right is usualy a sign that you are missing a wing, then you can use the damage chart to confirm your fears.
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Originally posted by ScorpCH
I know wether or not my plane has parts or not on it. i know the differnce between losing a flap, or and elevator. just cause my plane is hit doesnt mean its going down BUT, usualy when you get a heavy ping from a spit or LA7, the tilting ot the left or right is usualy a sign that you are missing a wing, then you can use the damage chart to confirm your fears.
So, what happens when you get a heavy ping from another plane? :rofl You guys keep thinking there is magic about the lala and the spits that got you killed lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am learning that the FM2 is the fastest plane in the game... one way... I can get to a clump or red planes faster than the 20 of my countrymen
lazs
That's cause you wake up from your nap and say wow that was fast .
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yep... I admit that it is often hard to stay awake in some of the arenas these days. Could be me.
lazs
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Wake up in a 109 at 40K waaaayy behind enemy territory. Then think "When did I fall asleep?" :lol
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Originally posted by lazs2
yep... I admit that it is often hard to stay awake in some of the arenas these days. Could be me.
lazs
Go try the new DA! Looks just like what you have wanted for a while.
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Best: Killing lazs in his fm2.
Worst: FDBs dragging the community down.
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Originally posted by Keiler
Good: Teamplay (when it works), combined arms (when it works), communication (when it works), missions with a plan, having joined a squad with good people, general immersion, people picking (sometimes weird) planes out of preferrence, not specification and being leathally proficiant in them :aok
Bad: playing for score/rank, taking this game as or more serious as/than RL, whining, belittling, cussing, excuses and lamenting on 200, voice channel spammers, the never ending HO/alt-monkey discussions, aeroquake(TM) (huge furballs), people just picking the plane that has it all (including training wheels) above all else. :cry
:cool:
Regards,
Matt
Best: Picking the unchallengeable plane that has it all, getting together with a huge contingent of other like minded and taking a virtually undefended base.
Worst; Having to fight on anything like equal terms and not beoing able to run away.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Seriously though:
Best Furballs, missions, individual actions, GV,S Bombers, fighters, ship guns etc and not being So Jaded that Iam forever moaning on about other people and how it used to be, ought to be, whose a squeeker, Dweeb, Tard etc generally enjoying and when I am not doing something else.
Worst: When I want to get on but cant and the $15 coming out of my account anyway :mad: (Only happens about once a month)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Best: Killing lazs in his fm2.
Worst: FDBs dragging the community down.
Yeah, baby!!!