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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SoulTakr on September 04, 2007, 02:32:11 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070904/ap_on_re_us/school_fight
"Civil rights advocates have decried the charges as unfairly harsh."
I'm sure they would.
However, just for once I would like to see it about how 6 students beat the snot out of another student. Not condoning what they did by any means. But it always has to be about this color or that. Quite honestly, I'm tired of it. This is why I hate readin the news. I just need to stick to the Sunday Classifieds and Comics.
DISCLAIMER: This is not meant to get anyone riled up about race or anything, just my personal feelings on the matter. If you feel you have to post a reply concerning about color, or anything having to do with racial "this or that", please hold your comments.
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you start a thread and ask people to "hold their comments"?
:lol
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On certain things, yes.
Have all 6k plus of your comments been smart alec replies, or do you actually say more than a sentence and a emoticon?
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Originally posted by SoulTakr
On certain things, yes.
Have all 6k plus of your comments been smart alec replies, or do you actually say more than a sentence and a emoticon?
I've yet to see this guy post something else.
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Btw the real question is can a fair trial happen in the southern part of the USA ?
All I know is the cliché say : No way.
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Originally posted by straffo
Btw the real question is can a fair trial happen in the southern part of the USA ?
All I know is the cliché say : No way.
Yes, they can. One, there's Voir Dire. That's where lawyers do their best to weed out unsuitable jurors. Second, I'd suggest checking up on some recent demographics. Many parts of the south are very diverse.
edit: It's a race related crime appearently. Why no hate crime charges? Obviously, in America, only white people are racists. :rolleyes:
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What do civil rights have to do with this? Oh, that's right. This time it was the attempted murderers who were black, and only victim who was white.
No civil rights problems here.
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The six black students were accused of beating and kicking Barker on Dec. 4. A motive for the attack was never established.
doesn't that reek of "hate crime" where punishments are supposed to be HIGHER than normal???
oh wait what the heck am I thinking, only white male heterosexuals are allowed to commit hate crimes, and there's no point ever trying to change that or understand it.
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Originally posted by straffo
I've yet to see this guy post something else.
Have all 9k plus of your comments been smart alec replies, or do you actually say more than a sentence ?
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Yep, why aren't they being charged with a "Hate Crime"?
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My goodness, looks like it's fixing to get as rowdy as a friday night in here! And it's only Tuesday!
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This was an interesting case, that, apparently, just got a whole lot less interesting with the reduction of charges.
Hate crime or not, the 6 kids, when originally charged, certainly had an 8th Amendment case when faced with 80 years for beating someone up.
It's hard to prove to me that it really was "attempted murder" when there are six of them, and the one guy still lives.
As for some of the more "out there" types asking for all charges to be dropped entirely... Um, no. If someone says something that gets you upset enough to inflict consequences on him, you'd better be willing to accept the ones that will soon be inflicted on you.
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Shaw himself has dreams of attending Gramling State University. "Just drop all the charges and let us go on with our lives," the teenager told CNN Tuesday.
That's the best line from the article.
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Originally posted by straffo
Btw the real question is can a fair trial happen in the southern part of the USA snip
No more than you could expect France to defend itself.
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Originally posted by Vudak
It's hard to prove to me that it really was "attempted murder" when there are six of them, and the one guy still lives.
Maybe. I'd have to see the kids medical report. Contary to popular opinion, people are suprisingly difficult to beat to death (that's why you train chokes). The body is more like a vietnam era Huey. Sometimes it'll absorb hundreds of rounds and some cannon fire and limp back to base totally mangled, but still flying. Sometimes a single AK round drops you out of the sky.
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Originally posted by indy007
Maybe. I'd have to see the kids medical report. Contary to popular opinion, people are suprisingly difficult to beat to death (that's why you train chokes). The body is more like a vietnam era Huey. Sometimes it'll absorb hundreds of rounds and some cannon fire and limp back to base totally mangled, but still flying. Sometimes a single AK round drops you out of the sky.
It was my impression (based, I'll admit, on suspect sources) that the kid was able to go out carousing that same night. But I'll gladly drop that impression if someone can provide a link suggesting otherwise.
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Originally posted by Vudak
It was my impression (based, I'll admit, on suspect sources) that the kid was able to go out carousing that same night. But I'll gladly drop that impression if someone can provide a link suggesting otherwise.
I take it back. Medical records don't really matter I think. The severity of the beating wouldn't have anything to do with it had they discussed killing the guy before the assault. If you talk about it, and go start the attack, but for whatever reason decided not to, you still planned and attempted to commit murder.
Wouldn't matter if he was on life-support or got away scratch free.
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I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.
From just what I read in the article, I am inclined to agree that the charges were overly-harsh. Attempted murder by 6 young adults, and the beaten kid gets out of the hospital after only 3 hours? Hmmmm.
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Originally posted by indy007
I take it back. Medical records don't really matter I think. The severity of the beating wouldn't have anything to do with it had they discussed killing the guy before the assault. If you talk about it, and go start the attack, but for whatever reason decided not to, you still planned and attempted to commit murder.
Wouldn't matter if he was on life-support or got away scratch free.
Technically, I suppose you're right. But, then, technically, I'd have to say there are a lot of people out there who are guilty of "attempted murder." I'll bet you've heard someone say "I'm gonna kill that guy :mad: " right before they got in a fight.
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Wonder whether the law has any provisions for the seriousness of the threat. There's got to be a difference between a cold-blooded planned murder, and your example.
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Originally posted by Engine
I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.
He's a white kid, who was beat up for exercising his 1st Amendment rights in a very naughty way...
Let's put it this way - if a black kid said the word this white kid did, there'd be no fight. So, race seems to have something to do with it.
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If it was 6 white kids doing that to a black kid, they would be charged with a hate crime.
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Originally posted by Xargos
If it was 6 white kids doing that to a black kid, they would be charged with a hate crime.
I won't deny that.
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Originally posted by Engine
I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.
From just what I read in the article, I am inclined to agree that the charges were overly-harsh. Attempted murder by 6 young adults, and the beaten kid gets out of the hospital after only 3 hours? Hmmmm.
Would you consider 6 white kids beating up a black kid a hate crime?
How about 6 straight teens beating up a homosexual teen?
Because I guarantee the DA will use the hate crime charge.
Bronk
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Originally posted by texasmom
My goodness, looks like it's fixing to get as rowdy as a friday night in here! And it's only Tuesday!
It's been a bad tuesday. :)
All I'm saying is, IMO, all most folks ever see is Black, White, Brown, Yellow, no one ever just looks at the facts of Right, Wrong, or Indifferent.
It states it occured due to the fact that earlier some kids hung up ropes on a tree where another student of darker complexion was sitting.
Here's my .02, how many knots did the rope have?(Some of you know what I am saying) If it did not have the correct amount, then while still a horrific prank/statement, they shoulda been expelled for being Sofa King Dum. :)
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Originally posted by Engine
I read the article, and I'm confused as to why you would consider this a hate crime. The article states 6 kids beat up another kid, goes on to talk about racial tensions in the town, but it doesn't say whether the beating itself was race-related. I think CNN is certainly implying it, which is lame sensationalism, but there's no actual link.
From just what I read in the article, I am inclined to agree that the charges were overly-harsh. Attempted murder by 6 young adults, and the beaten kid gets out of the hospital after only 3 hours? Hmmmm.
2 and a half hours was probably spent filling out forms.
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Originally posted by Vudak
Technically, I suppose you're right. But, then, technically, I'd have to say there are a lot of people out there who are guilty of "attempted murder." I'll bet you've heard someone say "I'm gonna kill that guy :mad: " right before they got in a fight.
Exactly. All about context. Doubt we'll ever see a single blurb about this though without actually being on the jury.
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Originally posted by Vudak
He's a white kid, who was beat up for exercising his 1st Amendment rights in a very naughty way...
Let's put it this way - if a black kid said the word this white kid did, there'd be no fight. So, race seems to have something to do with it.
Was that in the article? If so, I must have missed it.
Hmmm. Even if the white kid did use the "N" word (which is impossible, as the NAACP had a funeral service for it, remember? ;)), I still don't think the black kids should be charged with a hate crime unless there's evidence of racism on their part. They just beat up a kid who insulted them.
Unless those in this thread jumping on the kneejerk "if it were white kids" bandwagon can post more specific details of the beating itself, the comments are in this case unjustified.
Better yet, let's go ahead and say it WAS white kids. Would you agree with them being charged with a hate crime for beating up a black kid who called them crackers, without there being clear evidence they beat him up because he was black?
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Originally posted by Engine
Was that in the article? If so, I must have missed it.
That wasn't in this particular article, no.
I think that the people suggesting this is a hate crime are not seriously suggesting this is a hate crime, but merely pointing out how if the shoe was on the other foot, it certainly would be construed as such, and we'd all just like a little equality now and then :D
That's just what I read into it, though.
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Originally posted by culero
No more than you could expect France to defend itself.
So much humour in so few words !
You're an artist Sir.
I surrender.
I wonder how I can take seriously a post made by some one having "cul" in his handle.
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You can't leave race out of it because it was part of it but...
You simply need to be aware of it to make laws based on it is wrong... there should be no such thing as a hate crime no matter what race or whatever is the victim or purp.
In my opinion... any beating that involves more than a one on one should carry an extra penalty tho...
truth is that the majority of big city whites and blacks still hate each other based on race. We can't do much about that. My personal solution is to avoid the situation where such tensions exist.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
In my opinion... any beating that involves more than a one on one should carry an extra penalty tho...
:aok
if you're willing to beat the crap out of somebody, you probably hate them to begin with.