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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: A8TOOL on September 05, 2007, 02:05:06 PM
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I noticed there's quite a few squads that aren't squads at all. It seems a squad should consist of at least 3 members although I can understand 2 being a minimum because 2 guys could easily become 3 or 4 if they wanted. Two guy squads should be required to become at least 3 guy squads over a certain period of time to maintain a squad status. That Idea might not stick BUT........
ONE GUY IS NOT A SQUAD and all one guy squads should be taken off the roster IMO.
What do you think
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I'm not fussed about it really?
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And the reason for this request is ?
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A one man squad is no big deal in my opinion. I would like to see inactive squads removed.
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Sometimes it feels like my squad consists of only one person :noid
Actually, I think we have about 3 who fly somewhat regularly, but at different times...
ARLO! I've heard so much about you, COME BACK! :)
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What diffrence does it really make and why does it really bug you?
I'd be willing to bet, half of them just have a fake squad just so people don't keep bugging them about joining squads.
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My 1 man squad was ranked #1 last tour. WOOOOT :rofl
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Originally posted by crockett
I'd be willing to bet, half of them just have a fake squad just so people don't keep bugging them about joining squads.
Exactly. There is no .showjoin command for squad invites. When I have no fantasy squad , I get several invite popups per day I can't get rid of.
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"I'd be willing to bet, half of them just have a fake squad just so people don't keep bugging them about joining squads."
I am a one man squad and that is the reason.
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Originally posted by crockett
What diffrence does it really make and why does it really bug you?
Same question occurred to me.
- oldman
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Probably because the 1-3 person squads are ranked in the top 5 all the time and he upset about it.
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
I noticed there's quite a few squads that aren't squads at all. It seems a squad should consist of at least 3 members although I can understand 2 being a minimum because 2 guys could easily become 3 or 4 if they wanted. Two guy squads should be required to become at least 3 guy squads over a certain period of time to maintain a squad status. That Idea might not stick BUT........
ONE GUY IS NOT A SQUAD and all one guy squads should be taken off the roster IMO.
What do you think
I think your name is perfect
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
ONE GUY IS NOT A SQUAD
BTW, I am not only ONE GUY.
I'm a cartoon combat pilot, devout student of history, loving husband, untalented hobby composer and actor, AH2 BBS persona, and lot more useless persons...
ME ARE MANY! ;)
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Cartoon pilot skwads by no means have this idea cornered :D
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Originally posted by AKDogg
Probably because the 1-3 person squads are ranked in the top 5 all the time and he upset about it.
Those of us who asked ... I think already figured that out. We just wanted him to really spill his guts as to the "why" ... cause then we could really rake him over the coals ... :D
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lol, sry
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
I noticed there's quite a few squads that aren't squads at all. It seems a squad should consist of at least 3 members although I can understand 2 being a minimum because 2 guys could easily become 3 or 4 if they wanted. Two guy squads should be required to become at least 3 guy squads over a certain period of time to maintain a squad status. That Idea might not stick BUT........
ONE GUY IS NOT A SQUAD and all one guy squads should be taken off the roster IMO.
What do you think
I think I am the last active member of my squad in AH.
I also think I could handle anyone in your squad.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Exactly. There is no .showjoin command for squad invites. When I have no fantasy squad , I get several invite popups per day I can't get rid of.
There is a dot command for that. I think it's .showjoin 0 Many of us were experiencing pop-ups when the kids were on their summer break. I helped who i could but it did get aggravating.
Originally posted by AKDogg
Probably because the 1-3 person squads are ranked in the top 5 all the time and he upset about it.
Yeah I guess in part. I'm a base taker in a base taking squad. I was proud to be part of a team that could take 140 bases in one camp (90) In 91 we took less but only because we were able to attract like minded individuals and a few scabs. So it's true AKDogg, without the 1 man squads our rank would increase. I suppose I shouldn't feel that way about a game but like my softball league, we work for it. Plus it would be nice to catch up to you guys :)
Dedalos, no need for that please. I'm a team player on and off the field. I enjoy helping people in a productive manner. The name T00L fits me.
On another note: If I ever wanted to start my own squad I think I'd have a wrench, hammer or ratchet in there. No back hoe's please. For that matter no hoe's at all, they're to much trouble. Especially if you step on one.
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
There is a dot command for that. I think it's .showjoin 0 Many of us were experiencing pop-ups when the kids were on their summer break. I helped who i could but it did get aggravating.
No.
.showjoin works only for gunner join requests. Not squad popups.
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UHH, I don't want to be raked over the coals heheh
I shoulda just asked Do you think one guy makes a squad?
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
UHH, I don't want to be raked over the coals heheh
I shoulda just asked Do you think one guy makes a squad?
If HT allows 1 person squads ... then yes ... it is a squad.
It's always the "rank" thing that gets people's panties all twisted up.
A "ranking" softball team is a whole lot different than a "ranking" squad in Aces High.
The variables used to "rank" in Aces High can be screwed with and the way to to tweak the variables is far too easy ... it's commonly called "milkrunning".
Achieving a "rank" within a softball league ... well that is more cut and dry ... the variables to achieve rank are the exact same for all those involved ... the difference is only in the players on the team. There is no way to tweak a double into a triple in softball ... there is no way that you can play an official game with a full team on the field vs a team that only has 5 players.
The fact that your squad captured 140 bases in one tour speaks volumes in the milkrunning category.
Back in the Aces High 1 days, I belonged to one of the most prolific base taking squads in the history of this game ... they are called the M.A.W. ... and there was no way in he-double-hockey sticks that we could capture that many bases in one tour. Ya wanna know why ? ... because there were other large squads that would put up a tenacious fight for any base that we wanted to take. This also worked the other way ... our arch-enemies were the Arabian Knights ... another prolific base taking squad ... we would do anything it took to prevent them from capturing a field. We are talking 30 vs 30 ... 40 vs 40 squad furballs that raged on for hours. Another squad that fought and flew like pitbulls ... USMC. No one ever looked at the "squad" ranking to see who the "best" were ... ya just knew who they were by what they did.
Aces High II base taking squads ... pffft ... from what I have seen and experienced ... for the most part ... nothing but a bunch of hosers.
Any type of resistance, and they disappear to try and find some other undefended field that they can capture with minimal resistance and then they back slap each other thinking they are a l337 base taking squad.
Rank in Aces High means squat ... you may have a high ranking squad but let me assure you ... there will be a squad that doesn't rank as high and is probably better than your squad.
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I flew for the MAW too. In fact I was their first recruit and responsible for many of the tactics used to help us become one of the best base taking squads at the time. Scores were not our primary objective but it was nice to see us listed close to the top for our efforts. What pride you take in being MAW I took to the A8's. If 40 would have had me i would have come back. I truly miss those days.
Being a base taker I also revere the AK's. When I came back in June they were one of the squads I looked at but felt the A8's being smaller and newer fit me better. We fought for those bases, no milk running involved. Btw, I am not the cause of their success, I'm just one more guy with the same mindset helping achieve a goal.
I'm not sure we ever counted but back then 140 would'nt seem impossible for the MAW
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1. A small group of people organized in a common endeavor or activity.
2. The smallest tactical unit of military personnel.
3. A small unit of police officers.
4. Sports An athletic team.
Well, #4 doesn't apply here. No athletics needed for AH.
And the issue I see with the other three descriptions is the word "small" or "smallest". If we go with that idea, the issue isn't the 2 or 3 man squads. Those meet the definition of squad shown above.
The issue would be all of the squads that don't meet the "small" rule. The squads at fault would be the "moderate" or "large" squads, which aren't even squads at all since they fail to meet the "small" or "smallest" requirement.
So maybe we shouldn't be griping about the squads that have only a few members, since they've obviously got it right. We should be rising up together to vanquish the real problem in AH! Lets remove all squads from the roster that don't pay attention to the definition! Vanquish all moderate or large squads!
I think a reasonable # would be 5 members at the top end. Any squad larger is unnecessary. And don't be thinking it's ok to cheat the system either! Forming several squads with similar but slightly different names is just a way to have a bigger squad while appearing to be several smaller squads. What bunk!
Large groups have an unfair advantage over the smaller squads. How is a two man squad going to compete with a 30 man squad? I wonder why they don't televise sports events showing a two man team versus a 5-10 member team playing football, basketball, volleyball, or even horseshoes?
The large squads are the issue!
(BTW- I am a member of a two man squad. Twice it has temporarily risen to three men, but then come crashing back down to two again! *Sigh...*)
MtnMan
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
I flew for the MAW too. In fact I was their first recruit and responsible for many of the tactics used to help us become one of the best base taking squads at the time. Scores were not our primary objective but it was nice to see us listed close to the top for our efforts. What pride you take in being MAW I took to the A8's. If 40 would have had me i would have come back. I truly miss those days.
Being a base taker I also revere the AK's. When I came back in June they were one of the squads I looked at but felt the A8's being smaller and newer fit me better. We fought for those bases, no milk running involved. Btw, I am not the cause of their success, I'm just one more guy with the same mindset helping achieve a goal.
I'm not sure we ever counted but back then 140 would'nt seem impossible for the MAW
OK ... so what handle did you fly under with the MAW ?
140 bases would have been a very serious undertaking with all the other squads that flew back then ... I honestly don't think that it would have been possible. If you remember ... we would fight for hours to try and get 1 field ... sometimes we got it ... sometimes we didn't. And when we got the capture, it was so much sweeter.
Had we taken the attitude that most AH II squads have ... after the 1st 10-20 minutes of confrontation ... we would have moved onto another field hoping that no one would notice us ... maybe then we might have reached the 140 mark ... but that was not the MAW makeup.
Don't really want to poke you in the eye, but there is no way that you fought for every one of those 140 captures.
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Originally posted by Lusche
My 1 man squad was ranked #1 last tour. WOOOOT :rofl
that is what is upsetting the 5thSFR SOARS.
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
ONE GUY IS NOT A SQUAD and all one guy squads should be taken off the roster IMO.
I dunno about that.
I've seen some pretty good sticks that sure as hell could qualify as a one man squad.
I've seen a couple of good sticks that were better then some entire squads LOL
Then again I seen some squads so poor they shouldnt be allowed to be squads either.
All in the eye of the beholder
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
Yeah I guess in part. I'm a base taker in a base taking squad. I was proud to be part of a team that could take 140 bases in one camp (90) In 91 we took less but only because we were able to attract like minded individuals and a few scabs. So it's true AKDogg, without the 1 man squads our rank would increase. I suppose I shouldn't feel that way about a game but like my softball league, we work for it. Plus it would be nice to catch up to you guys :)
The only problem with dedicated basetaking squads. Is they tend to primarily go where defenders arent or are few.
Hence the reason they are able to take so many. :p
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Originally posted by SlapShot
. 1 No one ever looked at the "squad" ranking to see who the "best" were ... ya just knew who they were by what they did.
2 Any type of resistance, and they disappear to try and find some other undefended field that they can capture with minimal resistance and then they back slap each other thinking they are a l337 base taking squad.
3 Rank in Aces High means squat ... you may have a high ranking squad but let me assure you ... there will be a squad that doesn't rank as high and is probably better than your squad.
1-Be it pilot or squad. That statement still holds as true now as it ever did
2 & 3 Amen to that brother
And thats meant as a general agreement and not aimed at A8 specifically
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http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=214388
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Originally posted by SlapShot
It's always the "rank" thing that gets people's panties all twisted up.
Agreed.
I hate rank. I'm sure that, at the individual level and at the squad level, rank is the cause of most of the bad behavior in AH.
- oldman
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I'm not here to argue.
The thread was about whether 1 guy constitutes being a squad or not and you guys win.
In the process the thread got derailed and went off on a tangent after being dissecting it looking for any shred of weakness in word use. Yes, playing ball as a team and playing this game are related. you didn't have to talk so long about it.
Accusing another squad of less than honorable accomplishments just isn't right either.
Not all bases captures are hard to get. With a good plan, the first is the easiest and the rest you fight for. Some came from helping others in the country and some we initiated. It only takes 10 troops and a town to be dn to get a base. With a little cooperation, it gets done part of the time. We pretty much fight for every base we get just like the other bases. I mean, how do you think they get taken? If not furballing we either attack or defend. Can your squad take 1 base a day? Thats 30/31 70 is easy 134 was hard to do and you can't take that away.
Well this probably sets me up for a bunch of other crap from people who just have to put their 2 cents in even tho it's only worth a penny. Bet those are the same guys out there right now saying saomething stupid like "what about February" or you misspelled a word.
Go ahead if it makes you feel smart or funny.
My last post I see how things are here, i'd rather be flying.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The only problem with dedicated basetaking squads. Is they tend to primarily go where defenders arent or are few.
Hence the reason they are able to take so many. :p
I hope u are not insinuating the AK's run to a undefended base? There are times we do go to another base but that is to flank the attacking base. Other then that we fight for our base takes.
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As one of the afore mentioned "one man squads", yes. In the game, one person can make a squad. If you stop and think about it, someone has to make the squad before people can join. :)
As for rank, one man squads are supposed to be removed from the squad ranks. Hence, one man squads do not get ranked and there is no advantage. My reason for doing it is my squadmates don't fly where I mostly fly, I wasn't going to take up a roster spot for them (and I could care less about scores). However, I did want to continue to fly under the Damned banner (been doin' it for 17 years :)).
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Unless, your looking to recruit
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I think one man squads are fine... Are they really squads? No. Not in the true sense of the word but is anything "real" in a video game? Also, would you even bring this up if you were on the receiving end of the $15.00 per month each one man squad pays to play here? I think not. Besides, I like my squad name and why should give it up?
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Originally posted by 4deck
Unless, your looking to recruit
Waaaaaah is recruiting, but so far each applicant has failed.
Squad Charter says:
§ 19: "Each candidate for membership has to produce a written recommendation by at least two established members of the squad"
But as this squad only has one member...go figure :(
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Originally posted by AKDogg
I hope u are not insinuating the AK's run to a undefended base? There are times we do go to another base but that is to flank the attacking base. Other then that we fight for our base takes.
:aok
150 base takes in a tour is not too difficult for a larger squad with a few very active members -- it is only about 5 per day. On a "good" squad night when everything goes right, we might take 5 in 2 hours, even on these compacted maps.
Other times we run into AKs, or HAs, or someone else sufficiently tenacious, and the fight continues for an hour or so. Or, they turn the tables on us, and it is we who are put on the defensive for an hour or so. Lots of fun either way.
It might not be like "the good old days," but it still happens.
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Originally posted by E25280
150 base takes in a tour is not too difficult for a larger squad with a few very active members
There is a certain squad with 380 captures in tour 91... 13 of them in "attack mode"
Now guess why EW is being reset at least once per day ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
There is a certain squad with 380 captures in tour 91... 13 of them in "attack mode"
Now guess why EW is being reset at least once per day ;)
I keep forgetting base capture exists in EW . . . for some reason, I keep thinking it is an extension of the AvA. Oddly, my respect does not S.O.A.R. for those that do their base capturing there.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Waaaaaah is recruiting, but so far each applicant has failed.
Squad Charter says:
§ 19: "Each candidate for membership has to produce a written recommendation by at least two established members of the squad"
But as this squad only has one member...go figure :(
:rofl
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Dont wanna put up a list of the best MA pilots just incase i miss any, but id say that top 10 in MA would prolly beat the top H2H players 8-2 or even better.
Are we talking best "acm" guys?, furrballers?, or in general? It is a huge difference.
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What is your objection to one man squads? It doesn't hurt a thing. Squads with only one current member are not counted in squad rankings. As mention in some of the above posts, there are reasons for having them.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Dont wanna put up a list of the best MA pilots just incase i miss any, but id say that top 10 in MA would prolly beat the top H2H players 8-2 or even better.
Are we talking best "acm" guys?, furrballers?, or in general? It is a huge difference.
wrong thread nilson...
:lol
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woops... got my eyes, keys and threads crossed :rolleyes:
carry on :D
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I want more people in my squad, I really really do!!. But no one wants to play with me (sniff). I tried to get my cat (booger) to play but she bit me when I tried to tape her paw to the throttle. Please someone play with me please!!!!
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BTW, I am not only ONE GUY.
I'm a cartoon combat pilot, devout student of history, loving husband, untalented hobby composer and actor, AH2 BBS persona, and lot more useless persons...
ME ARE MANY! ;)
His answer after complaining that one guy does not make a squad :rofl
AWWW CRAPOLLA! I just wanted to copy and pate the quote not resubmit it back into the population. Was the last thing i wanted to do :( :( :(
I Can't delete it don't know how! where's the delete button
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So, someone explain to me a "pair" of pants...
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Michael Quinion
"I’ve looked at the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary, which suggests that the form pair of pants was standard right from its earliest use. Indeed, words for nether garments all seem to have been commonly plural throughout their history, often prefixed by pair of ...: breeches, shorts, drawers, panties, tights, knickers (short for knickerbockers), and trousers.
Pants is short for pantaloons, also plural, which in their very earliest incarnations were nearer stage tights; their name comes from a Venetian character in Italian commedia dell’arte who was the butt of the clown’s jokes and who always appeared as a foolish old man wearing pantaloons. Commentators referred to them when they first appeared as being a combination of breeches and stockings. Later the word was applied to fashionable tight-fitting trousers.
Trousers came into the language in the seventeenth century from the Gaelic trowse, a singular word for a slightly different garment rather more like breeches; a later version of it was trews, taken to be a plural because of the final s. Breeches has been plural throughout its recorded history, a long one (it dates from at least the year 1200).
According to several costume historians who have helped me with this reply, the answer to all this conventional plurality is very simple. Before the days of modern tailoring, such garments, whether underwear or outerwear, were indeed made in two parts, one for each leg. The pieces were put on each leg separately and then wrapped and tied or belted at the waist (just like cowboys’ chaps). The plural usage persisted out of habit even after the garments had become physically one piece. However, a shirt was a single piece of cloth, so it was always singular.
It’s worth noting that the posher type of tailor, such as in London’s Savile Row, still often refers to a trouser and the singular pant and tight are not unknown in clothing store terminology in America — so the plural is not universal."
back to topic: I support 2 man squads :D
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oh boy, ah bbs, i'd pay for it if it wasn't free
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BTW, I am not only ONE GUY.
I'm a cartoon combat pilot, devout student of history, loving husband, untalented hobby composer and actor, AH2 BBS persona, and lot more useless persons...
ME ARE MANY! ;)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
I know a good therapist I could recommend ;)
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And the reason for this request is ?
RANK!!!!!!
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:aok
150 base takes in a tour is not too difficult for a larger squad with a few very active members -- it is only about 5 per day. On a "good" squad night when everything goes right, we might take 5 in 2 hours, even on these compacted maps.
Other times we run into AKs, or HAs, or someone else sufficiently tenacious, and the fight continues for an hour or so. Or, they turn the tables on us, and it is we who are put on the defensive for an hour or so. Lots of fun either way.
It might not be like "the good old days," but it still happens.
Been awhile since we had those fights, miss them :aok
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BTW, I am not only ONE GUY.
I'm a cartoon combat pilot, devout student of history, loving husband, untalented hobby composer and actor, AH2 BBS persona, and lot more useless persons...
ME ARE MANY! ;)
And that is why we like you...
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Obtaining/maintaining a high score is like masterbation, it is a solo game that pleasures no one but yourself.
Look at your score less often and interaction with other people is sure to happen, you'll get better fights too.
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If you don't want to join a squad, creating your own squad of one will prevent the flood of
"367829 invites you to join his squad" pop ups. That alone is enough reason to create a squad of one.
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Turning off Squad invites should be a feature of the game, just like .showjoin. But to answer the question of "Should a squad consist of more than 1 person", I would have to say yes. The name most commonly used for a team of players here at AHII is "squad". But this is, in reality, slang for "Squadron". A squadron most assuredly is more than 1 person.
squad·ron
–noun
1. a portion of a naval fleet or a detachment of warships; a subdivision of a fleet.
2. an armored cavalry or cavalry unit consisting of two or more troops, a headquarters, and various supporting units.
3. (in the U.S. Air Force). a. the basic administrative and tactical unit, smaller than a group and composed of two or more flights.
b. a flight formation.
4. a number of persons grouped or united together for some purpose; group.
–verb (used with object)
5. to form into a squadron or squadrons; marshal or array in or as if in squadrons.
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RANK!!!!!!
Dude you could have just told him he smelled bad, didn't have to call him Rank... :rolleyes:
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Dude you could have just told him he smelled bad, didn't have to call him Rank... :rolleyes:
:rofl
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:D
I really, really did not mean to do that. Just put it in the wrong window and sent it.
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I really, really did not mean to do that. Just put it in the wrong window and sent it.
I know, hence the ":D" in my post. ;)
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Just thought I'd take a moment to say, you suck at teh interwebs.
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One man squads are fine. If i was not in my current one i would start one just to be free of all the "wanna join my squad... squeak" messages.
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Then again I seen some squads so poor they shouldnt be allowed to be squads either.
Hey I resemble that remark! :mad:
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See Rule #13