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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Orwell on September 06, 2007, 02:17:51 PM
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Up the room size to 20 man (adjustable). Enable password protection for hosts to have private rooms. Release a series of 10 or so nice official maps. Make the graphics better (because to be honest, they suck, badly. I mean, terrible.)
Charge a one time fee of $30-60 dollars for H2H access. Done. I would buy this in a heartbeat and I know all my fellow H2H fans would as well.
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Take it to the freeloader forum
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Originally posted by reeb
Take it to the freeloader forum
Agreed.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Up the room size to 20 man (adjustable). Enable password protection for hosts to have private rooms. Release a series of 10 or so nice official maps. Make the graphics better (because to be honest, they suck, badly. I mean, terrible.)
Charge a one time fee of $30-60 dollars for H2H access. Done. I would buy this in a heartbeat and I know all my fellow H2H fans would as well.
when you start paying for the game.Then we will care what you want to say...But as of now we dont care.so CHEESE IT :aok
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Originally posted by Orwell
Up the room size to 20 man (adjustable). Enable password protection for hosts to have private rooms. Release a series of 10 or so nice official maps. Make the graphics better (because to be honest, they suck, badly. I mean, terrible.)
Charge a one time fee of $30-60 dollars for H2H access. Done. I would buy this in a heartbeat and I know all my fellow H2H fans would as well.
....add another $15 and you get 6 months of all the main arenas, the training arena, the Dueling arena, the special events arena as well as access to all the senerios.
What cha waiting for??? jump in ! the waters fine !!!
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Originally posted by Orwell
Up the room size to 20 man (adjustable). Enable password protection for hosts to have private rooms. Release a series of 10 or so nice official maps. Make the graphics better (because to be honest, they suck, badly. I mean, terrible.)
Charge a one time fee of $30-60 dollars for H2H access. Done. I would buy this in a heartbeat and I know all my fellow H2H fans would as well.
Yes sir! Would you like fries with that?
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
....add another $15 and you get 6 months of all the main arenas, the training arena, the Dueling arena, the special events arena as well as access to all the senerios.
What cha waiting for??? jump in ! the waters fine !!!
Mainly waiting for idiots like those who immediately responded to get bent.
Then waiting for a one time fee option. I don't want to subscribe to the MA, I found MA very boring.
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What did you find boring about it? Just wondering because I find all kinds of activities... most of them fun.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
What did you find boring about it? Just wondering because I find all kinds of activities... most of them fun.
I just want to take off get some ALT and join in a furball. I always liked that about H2H. They should bring it back.
And I'm not a free loader. I would gladly pay for the old H2H, amny, many of us would, but we played free while we could, how can you guys possibly blame us for simply enjoying the free H2H? Why call us free loaders? We weren't even given the option to pay. We just like what we had and it happened to be free. It was awesome.
Now that it is gone, All I am saying is that I would pay if they gave me the option.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Mainly waiting for idiots like those who immediately responded to get bent.
Then waiting for a one time fee option. I don't want to subscribe to the MA, I found MA very boring.
its not what you find in the MA its what you make of what you find. i have a blast in the MA and will contunie to do so. i know how to make fun in the MA. i do jug missions with about 20-30 fighters in it and we beat up on the bish and rook fronts. or i sit there and low alt fight with some great TnB pilots. or i will take and have some of the greatiest gv fights ever. maybe you need to try the MA again but try it from someone elses eyes, like join up with a vet and see how they enjoy the MA. i am sure you will find that you like it and would love to pay to be part of something great.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Taking off is optional. Landing is mandatory.
So is paying to play now. :lol
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you always had an option to pay...and the MA furballs blow the H2H away. the only difference is the MA furballs have more people and no unlimited ammo and fuel.oooooh and learn to post in the right forum :p
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did i miss something. did they take away the free H2H arenas?
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Originally posted by Orwell
I just want to take off get some ALT and join in a furball. I always liked that about H2H. They should bring it back.
I do this every night I fly !! On the occasion where the fuball is too big and mighty for my measly skills, I'll jump in a GV, or a buff. There is all kinds of fun to be had, and if you like furballs. there are plenty.
Ya the H2H was fun, for awhile. Now its closed, and you guys have got to live with it. You say your "not a free loader" Well what if HTC put the H2H arenas back up, but only paid up subscribers paying the full $15 a month could play.... would ya pay?
If the answer is yes, get all your buddies together and get everyones name on a paper and mail it to HTC. Tell them you will subscribe to play in H2H. If there are enough names on the list, he may go ahead and do it, its one of the things they are thinking about, let them know how you guys feel.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Up the room size to 20 man (adjustable). Enable password protection for hosts to have private rooms. Release a series of 10 or so nice official maps. Make the graphics better (because to be honest, they suck, badly. I mean, terrible.)
Charge a one time fee of $30-60 dollars for H2H access. Done. I would buy this in a heartbeat and I know all my fellow H2H fans would as well.
I'd rather HTC spend their development time on getting projects like CT done and released and other game improvements for their paying customers before they spend any time on H2H for the freeloaders.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by kilz
did i miss something. did they take away the free H2H arenas?
The freeloaders couldn't police themselves and ran amok with various hacks so HiTech took H2H away.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Orwell
I just want to take off get some ALT and join in a furball. I always liked that about H2H. They should bring it back.
And I'm not a free loader. I would gladly pay for the old H2H, amny, many of us would, but we played free while we could, how can you guys possibly blame us for simply enjoying the free H2H? Why call us free loaders? We weren't even given the option to pay. We just like what we had and it happened to be free. It was awesome.
Now that it is gone, All I am saying is that I would pay if they gave me the option.
They are giving you the option to pay. Fifteen dollars a month and you have unlimited access. That sounds like a payment option to me. Also if your looking to climb for a little alt and then furball then the MA is your ticket because that is all that happens on the smaller maps currently in the rotation. I wouldn't come in here and blow smoke the way you are because you are no doubt going to get flamed.
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Spazz
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Originally posted by reeb
Take it to the freeloader forum
Amen
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what about adding H2H arena for $15/month. just a thought.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Up the room size to 20 man (adjustable). Enable password protection for hosts to have private rooms. Release a series of 10 or so nice official maps. Make the graphics better (because to be honest, they suck, badly. I mean, terrible.)
Charge a one time fee of $30-60 dollars for H2H access. Done. I would buy this in a heartbeat and I know all my fellow H2H fans would as well.
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Originally posted by Orwell
I just want to take off get some ALT and join in a furball. I always liked that about H2H. They should bring it back.
And I'm not a free loader. I would gladly pay for the old H2H,
OK, how about HT makes the H2H available to paying customers only? No need to track anyone then since they will have your credit card number or checking account.
There, now maybe I will get my free month :D
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I'd rather HTC spend their development time on getting projects like CT done and released and other game improvements for their paying customers before they spend any time on H2H for the freeloaders.
ack-ack
yes we need them to focus on plane adding and updates
if you cant afford .49cents aday then u need to turn internet off
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I've got a better idea. No more H2H, ever. Cost effective, and requires no additional code or work aside from having skuzzy delete the forum.
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Originally posted by Orwell
And I'm not a free loader. I would gladly pay for the old H2H, amny, many of us would, but we played free while we could, how can you guys possibly blame us for simply enjoying the free H2H? Why call us free loaders? We weren't even given the option to pay. We just like what we had and it happened to be free. It was awesome.
Now that it is gone, All I am saying is that I would pay if they gave me the option. [/B]
Well, it's my understanding that one of the options HTC is considering is making H2H available for subscribers. I don't know if this is the option they'll choose, but if it is, you could always buy a subscription and then spend most/all/any of your time in there.
Have patience... HiTech and gang are a good bunch of people. They will work something out.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I've got a better idea. No more H2H, ever. Cost effective, and requires no additional code or work aside from having skuzzy delete the forum.
OOOO I love it!
You get a cookie :)
(http://onewholeclove.typepad.com/one_whole_clove/images/chocolate_chip)
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Originally posted by kilz
i do jug missions with about 20-30 fighters in it
thats getting me aroused.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
OOOO I love it!
You get a cookie :)
(http://onewholeclove.typepad.com/one_whole_clove/images/chocolate_chip)
Did you already eat those cookies, partially digest them and pass them out because they do not look very tasty at all.
Curious...
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Originally posted by sgt203
Did you already eat those cookies, partially digest them and pass them out because they do not look very tasty at all.
Curious...
My friend...you miss the finer points of cookie quality. 1st off, the borders on those cookies is not perfectly round, suggesting that they are of homemade origin and not out of the box, mass produced variety. 2nd, the golden brown edges, indicate a crisp/crunchy first bite, while the slightly dull middle section leads me to believe there is a moist, chewy center. Finally, and most important of all, the shiny luster which each cookie displays is a clear indication that these specimens are absolutely loaded with butter--the true mark of a perfect cookie.
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I think many of you don't see the point of the 8 player option, the whole point was that 2 weeks wasnt enough to learn all there was and so they wanted a free arena to play. I'm willing to bet that almost all of you here that are p2p started in the 8 player, correct me if i'm wrong (unless you have previous experience in a flight game)
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Originally posted by kamilyun
My friend...you miss the finer points of cookie quality. 1st off, the borders on those cookies is not perfectly round, suggesting that they are of homemade origin and not out of the box, mass produced variety. 2nd, the golden brown edges, indicate a crisp/crunchy first bite, while the slightly dull middle section leads me to believe there is a moist, chewy center. Finally, and most important of all, the shiny luster which each cookie displays is a clear indication that these specimens are absolutely loaded with butter--the true mark of a perfect cookie.
cookieology at its best:D
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I think many of you don't see the point of the 8 player option, the whole point was that 2 weeks wasnt enough to learn all there was and so they wanted a free arena to play
Actually, the flight model in H2H and the MA is exactly the same by default, so it really doesn't matter whether you fly in the MA or H2H, it's going to take the same amount of time to get better.
Now, if people chose to use the uber easy settings they could get away with in H2H, then your argument is pointless because they weren't learning a thing.
The Point is, they wanted a free arena to play in. Again, as I've said before, it's not HTs problem it closed, blame the morons who thought they were cute and clever.
Many of us see quite fine, thank you very much :)
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Originally posted by ROC
Actually, the flight model in H2H and the MA is exactly the same by default, so it really doesn't matter whether you fly in the MA or H2H, it's going to take the same amount of time to get better.
Exactly, but people don't want to pay to get better at a game, so after their 2 weeks is up, they'd be forced to pay to keep learning, or learn for free, and then go on the big rooms. For me anyways, if it wasn't for 8 player i wouldn't be here typing right now, because i'm not going to pay 15 a month to learn a game.
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best way to learn this game is to jump right in at the deep end in the MA and then ask questions after getting killed.
H2H is a waste of time, too many little napoleons in there.
Raptor is good, i remember having some great fights with him when i would occasionally host a H2H room - i believe he is flying in the MA now.
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You get what you pay for. I love how some people think it's their right to have a free ride.
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h2h does bring in some paying customers for hitech......
Its a pity a few morons ruined it. Maybe charge 5 per month to host h2h rooms and you may have more control over the situation just my two cents
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lol
mmm gimme gimme i want i want free free free
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Originally posted by sgt203
Did you already eat those cookies, partially digest them and pass them out because they do not look very tasty at all.
Curious...
Originally posted by kamilyun
My friend...you miss the finer points of cookie quality. 1st off, the borders on those cookies is not perfectly round, suggesting that they are of homemade origin and not out of the box, mass produced variety. 2nd, the golden brown edges, indicate a crisp/crunchy first bite, while the slightly dull middle section leads me to believe there is a moist, chewy center. Finally, and most important of all, the shiny luster which each cookie displays is a clear indication that these specimens are absolutely loaded with butter--the true mark of a perfect cookie.
Another lame attempt on my part at pointless humor has failed......
And as to the response on the other hand with the exception of the choice of the words "specimens", considering the obvious reference I was making, this was well thought out and eloquent explanation of the finer points of cookieology. :aok
:lol :D :lol
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For me anyways, if it wasn't for 8 player i wouldn't be here typing right now, because i'm not going to pay 15 a month to learn a game.
You and your buddy both registered in January of 07 If you havn't learned anything since then you just won't or your lying. The truth is, your spoiled. Now go to bed before your parents find out your still up.
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I'd say it's up to HTC as to what happens with the Free Multiplayer option. They are the only ones that can make the determination as to whether the expense of maintaining it (time, attention, and effort as well as monetarily) is justifiable from a business perspective.
Those of you who are criticizing the FM community (ie derogatory names like "Freeloaders") need to realize that HTC chose to develop and enable free multiplayer as a feature - presumably as a marketing effort. Only the most insane of us would feel as though they have the right to b&m about HTC "wasting" time organizing and managing an advertising campaign in a magazine, on simming or game play forums, or on the Maybe It's History (and maybe it's not!) Channel, so I can't understand why any of us think we have a right to an opinion over another advertising tool like FM.
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Originally posted by technical
Exactly, but people don't want to pay to get better at a game, so after their 2 weeks is up, they'd be forced to pay to keep learning, or learn for free, and then go on the big rooms. For me anyways, if it wasn't for 8 player i wouldn't be here typing right now, because i'm not going to pay 15 a month to learn a game.
LOL!!!! I've been flying here for years, and I'm STILL leaning !! The question you have to ask yourself is "am I having fun playing this game?" Whether your "learning" or just playing, thats the only question thats important. If your not having fun, don't pay and move on, if ya are, send HTC a check and join in !
Pretty simple huh?
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All this whining about "I'm not going to pay to learn the game"...couldn't you learn the game by reading the help file and playing offline?
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Originally posted by technical
Exactly, but people don't want to pay to get better at a game, so after their 2 weeks is up, they'd be forced to pay to keep learning, or learn for free, and then go on the big rooms. For me anyways, if it wasn't for 8 player i wouldn't be here typing right now, because i'm not going to pay 15 a month to learn a game.
Bull!
Name one pay to play game that gives you anything longer than a 2 week trial. Name one pay to play game that you dont have to learn while you are playing (and paying).
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Back in 96 I got married, got my first isp, and started by playing A10 Cuba over Kali. It wasn't long before a character named VonDoom asked me if I liked WWII planes. Well duh!, so he points me to warbirds.
Well the 30$ minimum monthly fee PLUS 2$ an hour was pretty steep for me.
Where is this going you ask, yep, to H2H, cause even way way back in 96 in warbirds there was H2H.
I flew in H2H a lot, I was on Deft's warbirds ladder, chewed my way into the top 20 eventually. And at one point I managed for a brief time to make #1 before someone knocked me back off.
At that point the Warbirds people did a 4 month beta of "Fighter Ops".
Hey, ONLINE for free, granted limited planes available, but they had my A6m, so I didn't care.
You know once I'd been online h2h never was the same. Ohhh 1 on 1 duels with rules for the ladder, those were still good. But just to fly in a h2h furball, LOL. Sorry, but any arena with 30 or more blows that away.
In 99 I started flying the AH1 beta, and except for the very first tour (was in the process of talking my squad over here from WB) I've been here ever since.
You want to learn, you start your 2 week acct and spend it in the TA and reading. There are very few certainties in life, you don't get many here either.
But 1 month along with your free trial would get you 6 weeks. Certainly enough to find out if you enjoy it or not. If you enjoy it, then you carry on and keep climbing. If not, well you found that out and it only cost you 15$.
You spend 2 to 3 times that for most boxed games. And once you've played through the single player mode a time or 2 they go into the closet and are forgotten.
You want excitement, feel free to dive into the MA or perhaps even better get hooked up with a Squadron Ops event. Where you have 1 life, so you better fly smart.
H2H just doesn't even come close to measureing up.
And its a HUGE security hole, as you all managed to prove so very nicely.
Yes H2H is dead, finite, kicked the can, so either pony up or move on. This is the way it is for the foreseeable future.
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Originally posted by technical
I think many of you don't see the point of the 8 player option, the whole point was that 2 weeks wasnt enough to learn all there was and so they wanted a free arena to play. I'm willing to bet that almost all of you here that are p2p started in the 8 player, correct me if i'm wrong (unless you have previous experience in a flight game)
Yep, you are wrong!
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very wrong.
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Originally posted by Coshy
Bull!
Name one pay to play game that gives you anything longer than a 2 week trial. Name one pay to play game that you dont have to learn while you are playing (and paying).
Oh thats easy, Runescape for one..theres a free 2 play version, and a play to pay. You learn in the free to play, then you can enjoy the p2p all the more, look at the subscription ratio of runescape to aces high. Uhum thats what i thought.
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Originally posted by A8TOOL
You and your buddy both registered in January of 07 If you havn't learned anything since then you just won't or your lying. The truth is, your spoiled. Now go to bed before your parents find out your still up.
You just want to believe that, it makes you feel more superior. WE've already sent in our money for the p2p version, so i'll see you in the sky.. infront of my plane bursting into flames..
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Originally posted by Orwell
Mainly waiting for idiots like those who immediately responded to get bent.
Then waiting for a one time fee option. I don't want to subscribe to the MA, I found MA very boring.
Well obviously your not a WW2 enthusiast.... so far you sound like a person on the government dole that complains they want more of this and more of that. You know nothing about Aces High if you found all the rooms available to be boring. Even the folks who do not like the 4 MA's either love the racing, scenarios, AVA or snapshots.
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Originally posted by technical
I think many of you don't see the point of the 8 player option, the whole point was that 2 weeks wasnt enough to learn all there was and so they wanted a free arena to play. I'm willing to bet that almost all of you here that are p2p started in the 8 player, correct me if i'm wrong (unless you have previous experience in a flight game)
The point of it was to get people hooked so they'd subscribe, not to have a server filled with kids who scream about how they deserve even more for less.
BTW, only HT knows for sure, but I would wager that the number of subscribers who were once only freeloaders is pathetically low. I'd wager 5% or less of the current customers.
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i see no reason to up the number of people in H2H, because then it would be a mini MA and then charging a 1 time fee is unfair to the people that pay monthly to play. Hightech is no big company and can not make a fortun off a 1 time fee for their game, they would be out of business. Remember these guys have to make money very month to be able to keep things in running order, as well as updates.
However, i think the MA should be a little more forgiving to us paying players, when ENY is so high that u cant even up a plane hardly, its really unfair. The faster the war is won, the sooner a new game can begin in my opinion. Also the full arena is unfair to the squads,
We all pay our dues in the MA, i think there should be no freeloaders who get to play by NO rules what so ever.
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Originally posted by technical
You just want to believe that, it makes you feel more superior. WE've already sent in our money for the p2p version, so i'll see you in the sky.. infront of my plane bursting into flames..
BOY oh BOY, do u have a lot to learn, U just dont know the severity of ownage that is going to happen to u when u go to the MA, u boys are use to having tons of ammo and fuel do to settings changes in H2H.
U also do not understand the difference in skill lvl us MA boys have over u H2H, you are going to get OWNT so hard its not even funny, dont ever even speak of shooting someone down in here, until u actually make it to the MA
Right now u are like the little gold fish in a tank full of chinese fighting fish, U have no idea of the buttwhooping that is forthcomming to u.
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Join the game and then you can goto the Dueling Arena and play as you did in H2H. You'd never have to set foot in the MA.
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look what I found
Technical arguing with Skuzzy and demanding he help him so his friends can come over and play.
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198143 (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198143)
Couple days later and he's giving advice on how to manage buttons and problems while in flight.
But the best ones where he tries to compare brushing your teeth and AH. here's a small part. This kid is just a kid and makes me think of how many kids I've (we've) argued with on these boards.
Originally posted by technical
I know you get the same thing in anything in life. Where i live, they're debating whether to keep flouride in our water, it totally helps keep teeth healthy, but it can damage other parts of the body, you can't have both good teeth and not have any bodily harm. But, there is a solution! Hurrah, you could brush your own teeth. More work and whatever, yes, but everybody wins. Thats similar to here, you got the people who can't get it all handled in 2 weeks, but you also have th epeople that want to play because for whatever reason they don't subscribe, and the 8 player was that happy medium (the toothbrush) where everyone could be happy, .
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15 a month is too much for me to play H2H. as I said I am willing to pay a one time fee. The cost of the average retail boxed game. If I payed 15 a month for 1 year it would be $180. That is far more than this game is worth considering that Triple A titles like Halo 3, Bioshock and Crysis and other games (not to mention the fourth coming BoB) only require a 50-70 dollar one time purchase price to play.
Now before you start telling me I am comparing apples to oranges, I know most of the games I mentioned are FPS's and not flight sims, I am trying to make a broader point. Namely, that this subscription service seems too expensive for what you are actually getting.
You are getting a game with 1997 era graphics. For one year's subscription you could buy 2 quality titles (like the latest iteration of il2 or the upcoming BoB). I'm not saying this game isn't of significant quality, but these guys are making money hand over fist and still haven't gotten around to updating the graphics. This is my biggest grievance of all.
I would be willing to pay a one time fee to hitech of approx 50-60 dollars, forgiving the game's ugliness, to play H2H with my friends who aren't snobs and the vast majority of whom ran respectable rooms with thorough and strictly enforced rules of conduct.
At the risk of contradicting myself, I might be willing to try MA again in order to see what all the hype is about. Maybe I missed out on something special. I will have to revisit MA to make sure I'm not wrong about it.
I just had so much fun in H2H and met such great people. Maybe there were some sh**heads, but for the most part, they were weeded out within minutes as we made life intolerable for them until they left.
Props to Benny, TA57, briz, Acetolyn, Xena and all the other hosts who made H2H fun and orderly.
Also, this belongs in General Discussion because it pertains to making H2H a pay to play (at a discount) version of AH2. So stop with the "take it to the freeloader forums" garbage. Quit being ignorant and appreciate the fact that some people had lots of fun and behaved ourselves. Stop painting everyone with the same brush. This is a legitimate suggestion and I think your short and curt responses speak more to your character than to my supposed lack of intellect or audacity in posting this thread in this section of the forum.
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Originally posted by Orwell
15 a month is too much for me to play H2H. as I said I am willing to pay a one time fee. The cost of the average retail boxed game. If I payed 15 a month for 1 year it would be $180. That is far more than this game is worth considering that Triple A titles like Halo 3, Bioshock and Crysis and other games (not to mention the fourth coming BoB) only require a 50-70 dollar one time purchase price to play.
Now before you start telling me I am comparing apples to oranges, I know most of the games I mentioned are FPS's and not flight sims, I am trying to make a broader point. Namely, that this subscription service seems too expensive for what you are actually getting.
You are getting a game with 1997 era graphics. For one year's subscription you could buy 2 quality titles (like the latest iteration of il2 or the upcoming BoB). I'm not saying this game isn't of significant quality, but these guys are making money hand over fist and still haven't gotten around to updating the graphics. This is my biggest grievance of all.
I would be willing to pay a one time fee to hitech of approx 50-60 dollars, forgiving the game's ugliness, to play H2H with my friends who aren't snobs and the vast majority of whom ran respectable rooms with thorough and strictly enforced rules of conduct.
LOL!!! first off, you couldn't PAY ME to play any of those other games ! LOL!!! talk about games without anything to do !! OK lets all spawn in, start firring at anything that moves till we take a head shot from only god knows where LOL!!
Obviously this game isn't what you want to play. If it was you wouldn't have any trouble paying 50 cents a day to play it. There is nothing wrong with the graphics. Yes I've seen "Oblivion" and its really cool the way the leaves twist in the wind, but this game you paying for all the "mathematics" that are involved in a 3D flight sim. To play any decent flight sim takes far more computer than any other game.
I'd like to know how you know HTC is making money hand over fist? Your assuming that. Owners of Pro football teams are making money hand over fist but you don't expect them to give you a "one time fee" for the season, even if you promise not to sit down, and wander the causeways for the entire game, it ain't going to happen. Nothing in life is free, get use to it.
Pony up the $15, or go join the fun in Halo
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Obviously this game isn't what you want to play. If it was you wouldn't have any trouble paying 50 cents a day to play it. There is nothing wrong with the graphics. Yes I've seen "Oblivion" and its really cool the way the leaves twist in the wind, but this game you paying for all the "mathematics" that are involved in a 3D flight sim. To play any decent flight sim takes far more computer than any other game.
I thought the math was done and was perfect years ago. I want to see leaves twisting from 10k now :p
I'd like to know how you know HTC is making money hand over fist? Your assuming that. Owners of Pro football teams are making money hand over fist but you don't expect them to give you a "one time fee" for the season, even if you promise not to sit down, and wander the causeways for the entire game, it ain't going to happen. Nothing in life is free, get use to it.
Sure you can ask. They are called season tickets. They are good for a year :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Orwell
Now before you start telling me I am comparing apples to oranges, I know most of the games I mentioned are FPS's and not flight sims, I am trying to make a broader point. Namely, that this subscription service seems too expensive for what you are actually getting.
You are comparing apples and oranges but not for the reason you think. Those games you mentioned are for the most part single player games with an online multiplayer feature. That does not make the game an MMO with 400+ players in a single arena. So trying to compare any of those games to an MMO is just silly and not a valid comparison.
The price of a subscription is comparable with what other MMOs charge per month and frankly, it's a steal compared to what it used to. You think this is too expensive? Be thankful you weren't old enough or born for that matter, to play Air Warrior on Genie and had to pay $6 an hour or sometimes $12 an hour just to play.
And to be honest, this game isn't for you and you should cut your losses and look for another game. I hate to be frank like this but from your posts, it's just obvious that you're looking for a "Quake" like multiplayer game to play and you won't find it here.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by reeb
Take it to the freeloader forum
I may be a freeloader, but I agree, H2H issues belong in the H2H area.
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!!!! you mean i've been paying too much all along.
oh well, welcome to the free market where things are worth what people will pay. HTC could charge $150/hr. why doesn't he? while your answearing that question, consider why he charges 50 cents a day to play? then ask yourself why you just blew a 1.25 on a soda from the vending machine which you chugged in 5 mins.
bottom line, if you don't think it is worth the money to play, then don't play. I think it is worth the money to play so I do, as do a few others.
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Dude, this is the game for me. It has been for 9 months. You all seem to think I am a jerked off little 12 year old, so let me explain what kind of people H2H can cater to.
I'm 22 years old and am like 7 hours from having my private pilots license and I am joining the Canadian Airforce as a Direct Entry Officer after I finish university. I currently work dispatch for one of the largest helicopter companies in Canada (and soon a decent sized company even for the world). My dad was a pilot in the CAF for 22 years flying Kiowa's for the Army, SK-61's in the North Sea for the Navy, and CH-113's in a SAR role for the Air Force. I grew up around this stuff, and fully plan on being involved in it myself.
I also play tonnes of games. I have or am buying all the games listed above and have played every quality title since about 1996. I've played LOMAC, IL2-PF "Merged", MSFS since god knows when and MSCFS.
I know you guys don't care to read this little bio of myself, but hopefully it will illuminate you to the sorts of people who like AH2 and why they like AH2.
I played H2H because it was down and dirty fun. I was good at it too. I'd like to fight some of you although admittedly the limitations on fuel and ammo would initially out me at a disadvantage, but I think some of my "mentors" (the more serious of H2H hosts) will tell you I'm a quick study.
Maybe I'll try MA out for a while after I get my new credit card (lost the old one).
Anyway, I still contend that you MA guys judge H2H'ers far too swiftly, far too harshly and far too broadly. Moreover, I still think that you underestimate the virtue of H2H for the beginners and for those who don't wish to be burdened with a monthly charge.
Maybe I was wrong about Hitech making money hand over fist. I was frustrated and spoke too quickly. But from a financial standpoint, I think the benifits of a one time fee payment structure for a "H2H pass" could stand to greatly increase hitech's cash flow. Think of all the people who don't want to pay, but will pay a modest price for H2H. I think the potential here is quite worth looking at from HTC's point of view. If you think this conflicts with HTC's ability to offer MA first rate service, I'm sorry, but I think H2H is worth having in the terms that I have enumerated.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Sure you can ask. They are called season tickets. They are good for a year :rofl :rofl :rofl
Ya and they charge how much for season tickets? :O
Orwell, your post have basically been nothing more than "bashing" of AH2. Maybe you hope that if you convince the right people that we have an inferior product here they will give you a deal on the price.
To those in the flight sim community AH2 is top of the liine. In this last post of your you said this is the place for you, so maybe you kn0w that this is a top of the line sim.
You have got to look at it from HTC point of view. Setting things up so H2H can open again is going to take time. There will be a bunch of new code that will have to be written to protect everything from what happened in H2H already. You know he will have to have paid subscriptions for two reasons... 1 hackers, and trouble makers aren't going to pay to cause trouble,.... 2 subscribers are REGISTERED, and they can be track easier.
Now from the paid subscriber point of view, ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING that takes HTC away from updates in the MA whether its planes, maps, graphic tweaks, or take them away from Combat Tour really pisses most of them off. If you havn't notice a good number of folk are very loyal the HTC, and many have been waiting a long time for CT. All this H2H crap it messing with their fun, and as they ARE the paying subscribers, most feel they have a right to speak up.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Dude, this is the game for me. It has been for 9 months. You all seem to think I am a jerked off little 12 year old, so let me explain what kind of people H2H can cater to.
I'm 22 years old and am like 7 hours from having my private pilots license and I am joining the Canadian Airforce as a Direct Entry Officer after I finish university. I currently work dispatch for one of the largest helicopter companies in Canada (and soon a decent sized company even for the world). My dad was a pilot in the CAF for 22 years flying Kiowa's for the Army, SK-61's in the North Sea for the Navy, and CH-113's in a SAR role for the Air Force. I grew up around this stuff, and fully plan on being involved in it myself.
I also play tonnes of games. I have or am buying all the games listed above and have played every quality title since about 1996. I've played LOMAC, IL2-PF "Merged", MSFS since god knows when and MSCFS.
I know you guys don't care to read this little bio of myself, but hopefully it will illuminate you to the sorts of people who like AH2 and why they like AH2.
I played H2H because it was down and dirty fun. I was good at it too. I'd like to fight some of you although admittedly the limitations on fuel and ammo would initially out me at a disadvantage, but I think some of my "mentors" (the more serious of H2H hosts) will tell you I'm a quick study.
Maybe I'll try MA out for a while after I get my new credit card (lost the old one).
Anyway, I still contend that you MA guys judge H2H'ers far too swiftly, far too harshly and far too broadly. Moreover, I still think that you underestimate the virtue of H2H for the beginners and for those who don't wish to be burdened with a monthly charge.
Maybe I was wrong about Hitech making money hand over fist. I was frustrated and spoke too quickly. But from a financial standpoint, I think the benifits of a one time fee payment structure for a "H2H pass" could stand to greatly increase hitech's cash flow. Think of all the people who don't want to pay, but will pay a modest price for H2H. I think the potential here is quite worth looking at from HTC's point of view. If you think this conflicts with HTC's ability to offer MA first rate service, I'm sorry, but I think H2H is worth having in the terms that I have enumerated.
H2H went bye-bye because the "Freeloaders" were given to much rope. They hung themselves.
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sweet metaphore K
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if this game is for you why not stop whimpering on the bbs and pay the 15$ and you will beable to play all you want. Or does the MA scare you? :p
you say you spend all this money on these other flight sims....which dont come close to AH....seems to be a waste of money you coulda been using to play here. It is sad that a few morons had to ruin the H2H but it happened and whining about it isnt gonna change anything.
ooohh and all this money you spent on the box flight sims adds up to what 200-300$? and they kept your intrest how long? 2-3 months at the most? seems more of a waste then 180$ for a year of AH which dosnt get boring like said boxed games.....and yes i have played most of them and yes they do suck compaired to AH. AH has kept alot of us playing for years so it seems to be the better deal then the boxed games. So insted of continuing to post pretty much the same thing over and over why not play these boxed games you have?.....owait i know why cuz they suck :)
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Originally posted by reeb
if this game is for you why not stop whimpering on the bbs and pay the 15$ and you will beable to play all you want. Or does the MA scare you? :p
you say you spend all this money on these other flight sims....which dont come close to AH....seems to be a waste of money you coulda been using to play here. It is sad that a few morons had to ruin the H2H but it happened and whining about it isnt gonna change anything.
ooohh and all this money you spent on the box flight sims adds up to what 200-300$? and they kept your intrest how long? 2-3 months at the most? seems more of a waste then 180$ for a year of AH which dosnt get boring like said boxed games.....and yes i have played most of them and yes they do suck compaired to AH. AH has kept alot of us playing for years so it seems to be the better deal then the boxed games. So insted of continuing to post pretty much the same thing over and over why not play these boxed games you have?.....owait i know why cuz they suck :)
I'm fighting the system brother. I want H2H back, free or a one time fee.
One-Two-Three-Four-I-Wanna-Play-H-2-H-Some-More
PWNT.
Anyway, I do apologize for ranting and raging about this, but it is something I feel strongly about.
Make no mistake, a lot of you guys have made interesting and valid points that have poked holes in my reasoning and otherwise made me reconsider somethings. Thanks for that. I just might end up eating my words and joining MA, my name is Orwell, so if you see me, take it easy, I'll be an MA n00b.
Oh yeah, are they bringing teh nook to teh MA? If so, I'm definitly going to join MA.
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so you just want something for free? and 1 time fee...isnt gonna happen.
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$15 is not a lot of money at all. I worked for my dad this summer vaction at his shop, and I didn't go every single day every week. Over the whole summer vacation (approx. between 70-90 days) I probly worked 12 days, each day earning around $30-$40. There you go, one day of work and you got 1 month of AH2! In fact it's 2 months worth! If you can't get a part-time job then do some odd chores. Get outside and do a few jobs around the neighborhood. Mow your neighbor's yard, trim their hedges, cut wood for them, baby sit, or just feed their pets while they're away! These are all easy jobs that you can get paid for. Rather than sitting at the computer posting on the BB how you don't have any money, go out and EARN the money. Seriously money does not grow on trees. I've looked and it doesn't. if you don't have a Credit card, do as I did. Ask your parents if you can use theirs but you will pay them the $15. If you don't then they take the game away until you can get the money.
work = money, money = game time, game time = good.
All you whining about how you're too lazy to do a few chores are like the commercials you see every day.
Joystick - $70
Aces high 2 - $15
Freeloader whining about being broke - priceless :D
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H2H Arena Message:
The free 8-player feature of Aces High 2 has been discontinued.
Seems pretty clear to me, it was abused and now it's DEAD, at least as far as free play goes. The sad thing is some of the regular subscribers also liked it and you’ve killed it for us too. I'm still hoping H2H will come back as part of an AH2 subscription.
As for the rationalization attempts of some folks, I bet they don’t blink going to catch the latest movie and paying for popcorn and a soda, ~$20US for 2 hours entertainment.
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
BOY oh BOY, do u have a lot to learn, U just dont know the severity of ownage that is going to happen to u when u go to the MA, u boys are use to having tons of ammo and fuel do to settings changes in H2H.
U also do not understand the difference in skill lvl us MA boys have over u H2H, you are going to get OWNT so hard its not even funny, dont ever even speak of shooting someone down in here, until u actually make it to the MA
Right now u are like the little gold fish in a tank full of chinese fighting fish, U have no idea of the buttwhooping that is forthcomming to u.
Whenever my friend hosts his room, it's 2x ammo and .5 fuel burn, only BECAUSE we like to stay up for a while scorching the noobs. after 10 kills we're ready for a new plane. Remember, when you look back and see me, i'll be aiming for your engine.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
H2H went bye-bye because the "Freeloaders" were given to much rope. They hung themselves.
I am sure it was a conspiracy every person who could not pitch 14.95 a month into took part in!-
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Originally posted by technical
Whenever my friend hosts his room, it's 2x ammo and .5 fuel burn, only BECAUSE we like to stay up for a while scorching the noobs. after 10 kills we're ready for a new plane. Remember, when you look back and see me, i'll be aiming for your engine.
Does this kid remember he's talking to WaRLoCkL?? Oh well, when he gets to the MA it'll just be another easy kill in the skies.
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My favorite settings are realism, I always ask for fuel burn to be up so in H2H otherwise it is just annoying.
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Originally posted by Orwell
I'm fighting the system brother. I want H2H back, free or a one time fee.
One-Two-Three-Four-I-Wanna-Play-H-2-H-Some-More
PWNT.
Anyway, I do apologize for ranting and raging about this, but it is something I feel strongly about.
Make no mistake, a lot of you guys have made interesting and valid points that have poked holes in my reasoning and otherwise made me reconsider somethings. Thanks for that. I just might end up eating my words and joining MA, my name is Orwell, so if you see me, take it easy, I'll be an MA n00b.
Oh yeah, are they bringing teh nook to teh MA? If so, I'm definitly going to join MA.
LOL Orwell may turn out to be an ok fella. Come join the club.
You admitting mistakes puts you a few notches higher than I first figured.
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Originally posted by technical
Whenever my friend hosts his room, it's 2x ammo and .5 fuel burn, only BECAUSE we like to stay up for a while scorching the noobs. after 10 kills we're ready for a new plane. Remember, when you look back and see me, i'll be aiming for your engine.
ummm I predict your maximum landed kills with MA setting (1/2 your ammo load) will be 3.....if at all :D
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my max kills is 14 but thats with noob settings, my best with real settings is about 5 or 6.
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5-6 kills in H2H = 1 maybe 2 in the MA
Ive been in the H2H and laughed so hard cuz i would up a p51b or a p40 stay on the deck and kill spits, zekes, hurris and land 20-30 kills......and im barely an avarage MA pilot.
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Yes...all they do is spray, HO, vulch...then complain when you vulch.
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Originally posted by LYNX
ummm I predict your maximum landed kills with MA setting (1/2 your ammo load) will be 3.....if at all :D
When you see my name flashing 10 at the bottom, will you still be smiling;)
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"You are getting a game with 1997 era graphics. For one year's subscription you could buy 2 quality titles (like the latest iteration of il2 or the upcoming BoB). I'm not saying this game isn't of significant quality, but these guys are making money hand over fist and still haven't gotten around to updating the graphics. This is my biggest grievance of all."
I love it when people just let their a"" hang out and flap in the wind.
Here's his basic argument:
I want to pay $60 and play forever after.
Here's how I feel - HT and crew have worked their tails off bringing an enjoyable and social game to us, $15 won't even feed you three times at Del Taco a month. The $15 is a steal for my money. Heck if I knew HT personally I'd pay the $15 and take him out to the bar my treat once a month. And it would still be a bargain.
Beat it.
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Originally posted by Orwell
Dude, this is the game for me. It has been for 9 months. You all seem to think I am a jerked off little 12 year old, so let me explain what kind of people H2H can cater to.
I'm 22 years old .
I know this might be a silly question but have you ever played golf?
Thanks
Ren
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Orwell, so stop buying those expensive other games that you only play for a month or 2 at best and get tired of them. Save your money for AH which WILL feed your addiction. A single high end title is 50$ thats 3 months of AH plus.
Unlimited hours, unlimited entertainment, and tons of laughs from reading ch 200 and the bbs. Its the cheapest entertainment in town, 50 cents a day is nothing.
2$ and hour with a 30 $ minimum charge, that will give you pause.
Esp if your on the low income side like me. But Hitech changed all that forever.
Until or unless Hitech can figure out a way to keep it hacker safe H2H is dead.
H2H is basically asking for dev resources to fix the problem, but it doesn't really give anything back for the fix. Yes you hook a percentage of people, who go on to subscribe, but you'll hook those with or without the H2H.
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heh Orwell, never post angry or intoxicated for that matter. Then again, it does lead to some "interesting" topics.... Well welcome to the MA if you get there- Vast
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I am a paying subscriber, but used to host H2H from time to time as well.
Being a host was not easy....
"Turn up the ammo load"....:cry
"Turn off the wind above 10K"......:cry
"Turn down the ammo lethality".....:cry
And worse yet...no one seemed to pay JACK to attention to the MOTD about keeping sides even. I'd go watch TV for a couple of hours and come back to find 8 guys on one side pounding undefended bases.
On the other side there were quite a few GREAT players, who would come in and play for HOURS...keeping the whiners in line, and generally making it a nice arena to play. It also gave newer players a place to get some learning time in....then encourage them to become a subscriber and join the MA....at least I did.
I would LOVE to see H2H come back...not in it's former format...
My idea:
Rooms would hold a maximum of 21 players, and H2H'ers COULD form H2H squads (on a seperate from MA basis).
Rooms would have ALL THE SAME DEFAULTS as MA! If the WHOLE IDEA is to get folks to upgrade to MA...giving them 40000 rounds of cannon in a Hurri won't help them to intigrate into MA society very well.
A player can play H2H under the same account for a maximum of 1 YEAR...and is then required/encouraged (a "One Month Free" promotional carrot dangling here would help)...to upgrade to full subscription.
Hosts will have a seperate "HOSTING" H2H ID, different from their MA ID, and would have to log in to the H2H hosting with that seperate ID/PW.
Hosts would have to be paying subscribers, with some form of online training in hosting, a step-by step with trainers and be certified to host. Same .eject privelideges as before for buttnuggetts that can't behave, and PERMANENT ejection for those who are repeat offenders.
Repeat offenders and those who attempt to tamper with the CODE will have their H2H account REVOKED WITHOUT REFUND, and will be unable to apply for another H2H account.
Host's chat will be in BLUE text....this let's all H2H'ers know that the room is being OFFICIALLY MONITORED.
If hosted on the "host's" computer, a minimum system requirement is needed to ensure that the host's computer and connection was "UP" to standards. If hosted on HTC's servers...it's not a problem.
The same "monitoring" system of voice and chat, and same reporting of abuse of these privelidges as in MA. It would be up to the room HOST to monitor the chat and the room...NOT HTC. Those folks have enough to do already. By having trained "Hosts" as babysitters, if you will...takes HTC out of the H2H babysitting business, and puts it in the hands of the trained HOST.
A $5 a month for H2H only fee...that could be purchased either online or via the mail in 2, 6, 10, and 12 month blocks...to keep the paperwork at HTC to a minimum. Blocks could be purchased like "gift cards".
Hosts who took time out to help host, train, and mentor new players (and ESPECIALLY encourage them to be FULL subscribers) could earn "referral credits"....each H2H player that upgrades to full MA subscription and STAYS full membership for at least 6 months earns that host 1 "referral credit". For each FIVE referrals that stay....that host gets one free month off their own personal subscription. When that H2H'er signs up...a question box in the sign-up would say "Were you referred to sign up for full membership by a Head-to-Head room host?"...just fill in the ID of the host.
Hosts could rotate maps, host "Extreme Racing H2H Leagues", gv only maps, cv-vs-cv maps, and yes, goofy maps like Los Angeles, Hawaii, and Chicago, as long as they were approved of by HTC in advance.
If even a small part of the marketing of FREE H2H was to give players a "taste" and sign up for the FULL subscription...let's give 'em A REAL TASTE!
If we, as players REALLY want to see HTC grow, with bigger and better arenas, graphics, more planes, etc., then a small portion of that success just might rest on OUR shoulders.
Just an idea....
68ROX
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I was thinking about the one time fee concept today and decided to call my cable company.
I explained how there was alot of channels I didn't really watch and how their
monthly subscription was tooo high.
They agreed with me and so I just made a one time payment (I got to decide how much) and now I get the channels I want and I don't have to pay a subscription!
Life is good:aok
:rolleyes:
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68 i <
> you.
Just the mindset we need.
For the life of me i cannot understand why people who pay to play in the MA feal the need or obligation "OR RIGHT" to STOMP another man down because hes doesnt pay.
get off your high horse and realise when you say "freeloader" its the same thing as walking by a homeless person and calling them a bumb.*GET A JOB SLOB* or walking past someone with brain damage and calling them a RETARD.
Do you see the HTC staff disrespecting the "freeloaders"?
No, not a second.
What big proud men we have here.
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Originally posted by technical
Whenever my friend hosts his room, it's 2x ammo and .5 fuel burn, only BECAUSE we like to stay up for a while scorching the noobs. after 10 kills we're ready for a new plane. Remember, when you look back and see me, i'll be aiming for your engine.
Im not trying to be terribly mean here, but try a regular ammo loadout and a fuel burn multiplier of 2. It is a totally different ball game in the pay arenas, and I welcome you to try and "aim for my engine" as I and most of my paying buddies are no slouch behind the stick.
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"Do you see the HTC staff disrespecting the "freeloaders"?
No, not a second."
LOL!
No, they just killed ya's off.
The rest of us who pay the full price aren't going to have much sympathy for those want to argue the game should continue to be free or available to them at a token price for whatever reason.
I knew this was coming with all the stupid stuff going on with the free side. It's important to note that free multiplayer was not hosted by HTC nor was it monitored much either, thereby creating the opportunity for someone to get in there and experiment like they did.
This is just my humble opinion, but it seems then that HTC doesn't want to leave a breeding ground open for freeplayer terrorists as sooner or later that will cause problems in the MA. So the question becomes kill it or bring it onto the MA servers where it can be closely monitored. Geez, now you've got free-play eating up bandwidth and staff resources that should go to pay-for-play. Also, the game is hugely popular, there is absolutely no reason to have a free-play area to get people hooked, the two-weeker does that just fine.
The bottom line is a few bad apples spoiled it for the rest of the free-player world, but it was good while it lasted, don't be sad, and quit trying to convince everyone else the world would be better off if you could keep playing for free somehow. HTC was being nice having it open in the first place, the charity was, as usual, disrespected in the end.
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
68 i <> you.
Just the mindset we need.
For the life of me i cannot understand why people who pay to play in the MA feal the need or obligation "OR RIGHT" to STOMP another man down because hes doesnt pay.
get off your high horse and realise when you say "freeloader" its the same thing as walking by a homeless person and calling them a bumb.*GET A JOB SLOB* or walking past someone with brain damage and calling them a RETARD.
Do you see the HTC staff disrespecting the "freeloaders"?
No, not a second.
What big proud men we have here.
If you dont like the answers or replys you get maybe try posting the H2H junk in the H2H forum.
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No discounts.
$14.95 a month for full access.
H2H permanently disabled
Easy fix :)
It isnt hard to get a job. If 14.95 a month breaks you, then you should look into managing finances a little better. Cable/satellite TV and internet access arent needs, they are wants. They arent a necessity for living so cutting both of them off would save you at least $60 a month for bills.
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
get off your high horse and realise when you say "freeloader" its the same thing as walking by a homeless person and calling them a bumb.*GET A JOB SLOB* or walking past someone with brain damage and calling them a RETARD.
No, it's not. If you look in their forums, they often admit they could pay, they just don't want to. They have lots of reasons, none legitimate, and they simply continue this little campaign because they view a free H2H as something they are entitled to.
Now, if I walk past a bum on street, and he asks me for 15 bucks, admitting that he's just not interested in working for it, I am going to call him a lazy bum, and I will be correct in doing so, even if it's unkind.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Easy fix :)
Exactly.
It's not a matter of HT "finding a way to deal with" the misuse of game code. The bottom line fact is that the 8 player free multi-player option is already a marketing expense. Why multiply the expense by employing someone, and create some more code, to deal with this issue. It caused enough problems that HT had to intervene once by shutting it down temporarily in hopes that would deter the behavior and cause the players of H2H to wake up and police themselves. That was too much to ask so instead of the continued bleed of money for the H2H arena, HT cut it off. Problem solved.
There is no need for anyone to brainstorm (post) on what they think will work for HT. He has been proven, to me, to be a staunch businessman who knows exactly what's best for his company and his bottom line. It's absurd that anyone could think they know better than he.
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Close H2H. Save the Server Space. Work on CT and the MA game play and forget about the whining freeloaders.
Simple.
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Amen, well stated. Let HT focus on the people that pay him and that drive his bottom line. The 2 week free trial is more than fair and is comparable to most MMOGs, also it is enough to wet peoples appetites and get them paying. To ask for your freeloading arenas back after admitting that you have no intent on ever subscribing is assenine because it offers HTC no profitable incentive to do so. You think you are special and entitled to get for free what we pay for? Nope, HT said its dead and for now it is dead and good riddens too. Now please carry your Waaaa back to the freebie section of the forums, that is unless you actually have something constructive to say. :D
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If freeloading in H2H is that important to you set yourself up a VPN server and host from there.