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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Foxbit on September 07, 2007, 08:14:04 PM
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The germans need their 4 engine bomber. I think the FW200 is cool and should be included.
The Ju 390 is really cool but only prototypes were built. Those would be sweet too.
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"I want this because it is cool"
You should post info...pics...just just say its cool.
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Originally posted by Foxbit
The germans need their 4 engine bomber. I think the FW200 is cool and should be included.
The Ju 390 is really cool but only prototypes were built. Those would be sweet too.
Why?
Have you actually studied the aircraft or did you just see the four engines and think "Cool! German heavy bomber?"
I am betting the latter.
The Fw200 is worse than the Ju88A-4 in all ways save range. Defensive firepower is about the same.
In all other ways the Ju88 is much superior. It is faster, tougher, more agile and carries a heavier bombload.
Fw200s were so fragile they occasionally broke up on normal landings.
If you want a better German bomber (and I do) then look at the Ju188A-1 (very good bomber, and pretty to boot), Do217E or He177A-5 (would be good in AH, was a catastrophe in reality).
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Yup... there is a reason the FW200 was never really used as a bomber.
It was a transporter and a very valuable maritime recon plane, which was converted to carry bombs (and later Guided missiles) because
1) nothing else was available
2) merchant ships where easy target early in the war without any AA guns to speak of
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FW200 also tended to have problems with there brakes causeing them to over heat and stick on causeing some fires.
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well.... axis needs a 4 engine bomber.. JU-88 just doesnt cut it.
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Originally posted by Foxbit
well.... axis needs a 4 engine bomber.. JU-88 just doesnt cut it.
They felt that need the whole war without being able to satisfy it...
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Put two He-111's in formation
Instant 4 engine buff :p
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Originally posted by Foxbit
well.... axis needs a 4 engine bomber.. JU-88 just doesnt cut it.
And how does the Fw200 solve that? Sticking four engines on an airplane does not magically make it a heavy bomber.
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Originally posted by Karnak
And how does the Fw200 solve that? Sticking four engines on an airplane does not magically make it a heavy bomber.
Agreed.
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piaggo P.108
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Originally posted by storch
piaggo P.108
A true heavy bomber.
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You could make more of a case for the JU-188 as quite a few of those were built. The JU-88 carries a big bomb load (as much as a B17), so that really was their heavy bomber. The Condor was primarily used for maritime recon & attack vs convoys. It would end up as another hanger queen in the arenas.
EagleDNY
$.02
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how bout 5 engines (jk btw) this is in response to the he-111 suggestion
(http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/he111z_3v.jpg)
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that was a tow plane for the Me323 Gigant glider
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Originally posted by storch
that was a tow plane for the Me323 Gigant glider
The glider was Me 321. Me 323 was the motorized version.
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Originally posted by Karnak
And how does the Fw200 solve that? Sticking four engines on an airplane does not magically make it a heavy bomber.
You could always stick a few hundred pounds of sandbags in the bomber :D . I really do agree with this though.
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Originally posted by Foxbit
The germans need their 4 engine bomber. I think the FW200 is cool and should be included.
The Ju 390 is really cool but only prototypes were built. Those would be sweet too.
the focke wolf fw 200 condor was not only a long range bomber
i do agree that it would be a great addition to the AHII family
it was also used for reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
i personally would like to have one as a substitute for the c-47a which has no guns... personally i'd like a plane that can carry troops and make the enemy think twice before engaging.
~~clip from wikipedia~~
There were three versions - the Fw 200A, B, and C. The Model A was a purely civilian plane used by Lufthansa, DDL in Denmark, and Syndicato Condor in Brazil. The Fw 200B and Fw 200C models were used as long-range bombers, reconnaissance, troop and transport planes.
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m56/alecksismeboo/fockewolf200condor.jpg)
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I stilll think we need both the HE111 (7300 produced) and HE177 (1184 produced).
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Definately the he-111, but as far as a "heavy" I would say the he-177 since engine reliability would not be a problem in the mechanically perfect world of AHII. (the DB.610 engines basically were two DB.605 mounted inline in an under wing nacelle on each wing. This arrangement was used so that the plane could adhere to an asenine policy that heavy bombers must also be able to dive bomb as well as level bomb. Due to the proximity of the fuel and oil lines to the hot exhaust manifolding engine fires were all too common.)
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What Daddyack said. (http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/he177.html)
The crews didn't think they were very cool though.
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I actually think the He177 is a bad idea because it would not represent the historical aircraft at all. The Avro Manchester would have the same issue.
The Ju188A-1 or Do217 are the best things the Germans had in regards to bombers.